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I was wondering if any of the developers here have been following the Windows 8 stuff? I just read and article that they are going to release the first build of it this week at the big Microsoft thingy thats going on. They are releasing the build to developers, AND to the public!
Now, since Win 8 will be ARM supported, I'm wondering if were going to be able to put it on our A500's. I had originally wanted to buy a W500, but when your buying off craigslist you get what you find, and i love my A500 plenty fine, but i've always liked playing with the new Windows versions coming out, and the OS is pretty much designed for touch and tablet.
I know i'll be keeping my eyes open one way or another and hitting download as soon as i see they open a beta build up for us.
I don't think our A500's will be supported by MS, but since there aren't any quad-core tablets out there yet (production-wise, that I know of), MS will probably be using the tegra 2, which means it should be at least compatible.
So, it should hopefully run, but I think it's going to require a bit of hacking.
I really doubt that it will run on our a500's for one reason, hard drive space! Look up windows 8 demo on you tube and you will see that it is very similar to windows 7, just with a tablet friendly ui. You can still access good old windows with the touch of a button. I do have to admit that its looks pretty slick.
If you read into things, windows 8 is supposed to be -very- small operating wise, it's designed to gear towards tablet interfaces, it is able to run off of a flash drive.
I think our Acer Iconia will be one of the better suitors of Windows 8 thanks to its USB port. I would love to have Windows 8 ported on my Acer, especially if they are giving the build to the public.
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I really doubt that it will run on our a500's for one reason, hard drive space! Look up windows 8 demo on you tube and you will see that it is very similar to windows 7, just with a tablet friendly ui. You can still access good old windows with the touch of a button. I do have to admit that its looks pretty slick.
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Windows 7 only takes like 10GB fresh, with a good compression, or just a 32GB SD card for more space, it'd run just fine. Space isn't an issue.
They are, the BUILD conference is at 9am today, and they are supposed to release it to public and developers at it today.
I'll still love to see it runs on a quad core thing, with the ability to turn down part of the processor or dramatically turn down the clock when running on battery to save power.
I used this A500 long enough to realize that Android is just a toy. To be serious, it has a long way to go. It is so convenient to use for before nap browsing, that I don't turn on my laptop at night after all, but if you tell me I only have this for the week, I'll just say no. Better to bring both with me. Windows 7 is essential for me.
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I'll still love to see it runs on a quad core thing, with the ability to turn down part of the processor or dramatically turn down the clock when running on battery to save power.
I used this A500 long enough to realize that Android is just a toy. To be serious, it has a long way to go. It is so convenient to use for before nap browsing, that I don't turn on my laptop at night after all, but if you tell me I only have this for the week, I'll just say no. Better to bring both with me. Windows 7 is essential for me.
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From a day-to-day use stand point, this just isn't true. However, if you need a power house, then I agree with you. But getting this tablet was one of the reasons for getting rid of my netbook. Outside of heavy gaming, which I don't do anyways, I do not see anything I can do on the netbook that I couldn't do on the tablet for everyday functions (except print, but I almost never do that either lol)
I got rid of my laptop (Was going out anyway) And got the a500 instead of another laptop. So far im pleased, i wished Skype would get working, i'd use it a lot more. I have a pretty nice powerhouse for a desktop so for anything that i need to do with some real power, gaming and such, i can sit at it for without a problem.
Id love to get a microsoft arc keyboard or something, small enough to use on my iconia, cause right now, since i have a laptop stand still, i use a old apple keyboard via the USB, its easier for typing more after all.
I'd like to see windows 8 on it, simply to see what i could do with it, i like toying with it, my A500 is my toy, rather than a significant use item, i can do what i need on it, so it serves its purpose, but it was still more a toy then anything else when i got it.
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From a day-to-day use stand point, this just isn't true. However, if you need a power house, then I agree with you. But getting this tablet was one of the reasons for getting rid of my netbook. Outside of heavy gaming, which I don't do anyways, I do not see anything I can do on the netbook that I couldn't do on the tablet for everyday functions (except print, but I almost never do that either lol)
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The one thing missing for me is the ability to develop android applications on the iconia. It's funny that you need another OS to code for Android.
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Well unfortunately the builds thate came out were only on desktop uses, not for the ARM processor, guess was cross our fingers and wait.
Just like WP7 is limited to certain chipsets, I believe the ARM version might only be limited to Tegra 3 and some other faster processors.
I read somewhere from ms that win8 arm will run on many chips.as well as tegra. But not sure where this article went.I do know it was direct from Microsoft.
Here is the link to information
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516
Preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running on an AMD chip, not a Tegra:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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The one thing missing for me is the ability to develop android applications on the iconia. It's funny that you need another OS to code for Android.
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Regardless of OS, if your day-to-day function is coding/dev work, I would imagine you wouldn't be doing it from a tablet anyways Thats like a mechanic trying to run a full garage with a 25 piece "mechanics" tool set from Walmart lol. I am a project manager and I couldn't imagine not having a full laptop to do what I need it to do. I do also have a PC at home, hooked to my TV. But if I was not running an IIS server or if I didn't do web design work, I would probably not have anything else at home but a tablet.
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Regardless of OS, if your day-to-day function is coding/dev work, I would imagine you wouldn't be doing it from a tablet anyways Thats like a mechanic trying to run a full garage with a 25 piece "mechanics" tool set from Walmart lol. I am a project manager and I couldn't imagine not having a full laptop to do what I need it to do. I do also have a PC at home, hooked to my TV. But if I was not running an IIS server or if I didn't do web design work, I would probably not have anything else at home but a tablet.
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Well that's the only thing I'm still doing on my laptop since I got the tablet. Would be nice if I had the chance of doing it with the tablet too and not bring both when going on trips.
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Preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running on an AMD chip, not a Tegra:
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That's not our tablet. That's the Acer Iconia Tab W500 not the A500. The A500 runs NVIDIA Tegra 2.
In any case, i'm still really hopeful for getting Win 8 onto the A500. With the ARM support, there has to be a way that this can be done eventually. I was actually starting to think that I might have to sell my Iconia and get a new tablet in March when its released. But now only time will tell. But just the possibility of running Windows here is awesome. =D
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That's not our tablet. That's the Acer Iconia Tab W500 not the A500. The A500 runs NVIDIA Tegra 2
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No schiznit really?!
Here I thought my tablet had an Atom processor in it!
Well here is a small update. It does not help us Iconia A500 people, but it does help people with other tablets! And puts out hope that if Microsoft delivers a preview for the ARM version of the OS we may be able to test it out some.
Here is the link to the article showing how to install the developer preview of Win 8 on a Win 7 running tablet.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-build-your-own-windows-8-tablet-using-existing-hardware/
See this article: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2012/06/microsoft-unveils-two-surface-tablets-but-questions-abound-will-they-hold-a-tune/
It seems WinRT will not allow for low enough audio latency to be of any use to music enthusiasts (we're talking below 10ms). Any opinion on this?
If this is to be true in the final version of RT, and there is no workaround, the RT Surface, as well as ALL WP8s will never be a serious contender to the iPad or iPhone for music production.
Anyone? Is it some kind of great unknown?
I wanted to add that if this was true, Windows Phone 8 would also suffer from poor audio performance which would suck.
You're also welcomed to join the discussion on wpcentral: http://forums.wpcentral.com/general-discussion/194000.htm
I'm not sure anyone could say they have enough evidence to say windows RT will have an audio system significantly different to windows 8 pro, we have to wait and see.
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Thanks for the reply. Here's something I don't understand though, and my apologies if it's really basic: isn't WinRT bundled with the Windows 8 Release Preview? Any metro app is basically running under WinRT, even on Win8Pro, right? Would there not be a way to figure out what possible then? Or am I totally misinformed? Or does it depend on the CPU type (ARM vs Ivy Bridge)?
All the speculations going on are really odd. No one has an RT Tablet/Surface RT. Not sure where people come up with this stuff.
Also, Windows Phone doesn't use Arm or maybe they can but doubt it but again for anyone to speculate? Is false. We don't even know anything about WP8's nor their possible specs except they'll have NFC, Bump, Shared Core and really all the hardware technicality we can speculate off of.
What we do know? Microsoft will not have a WP8.
So basically, we'll know for sure once devs get their hands on RT devices.
Low latency audio will be a crucial feature if we hope to see any Metro apps for music making. Right now, WP music apps are lacking - and it's really an understatement.
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So basically, we'll know for sure once devs get their hands on RT devices.
Low latency audio will be a crucial feature if we hope to see any Metro apps for music making. Right now, WP music apps are lacking - and it's really an understatement.
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Pretty much, until maybe August, I doubt we'll get an RT Tab & I think the Surface won't be out till November, so maybe during BUILD they'll give them out?
I have actually been working with Nokia to bring a drum machine to the Lumia but we might see Fruity Loops on W8.
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Pretty much, until maybe August, I doubt we'll get an RT Tab & I think the Surface won't be out till November, so maybe during BUILD they'll give them out?
I have actually been working with Nokia to bring a drum machine to the Lumia but we might see Fruity Loops on W8.
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Curious what the status is of this. The developer for Nanostudio is considering porting over to RT but the crappy 100ms latency that RT is at is killing any interest in RT. You would think MS would have tried to do better on this. Android failed in this regard as well.
It's a niche thing... aside from in gaming or movies I don't care what the audio latency is at all, and in those I only care if it's over the threshold of appearing out of sync with the video. 100ms pushes that, but it's not intolerable... to me, or most other people who use PCs the same way.
Now, musicians and home-theater buffs and so forth are going to have a problem, for sure... but generally, those aren't the people setting priorities on framework design. They might be coding it, and will do their best, but if they go to the boss and say "I need another week to work on this; the latency is still over 80ms" and the boss says "what do you mean, it sounds fine; we don't have the time to aim for perfection and it's good enough right now" then it will ship as-is.
Okay, so recently we've seen the sprout of Windows 8 tablets and RT tablets. And it got me wondering, now that we have Windows tablets with keyboard docks, what's the point of the TF300 or Transformer Line at all?
I mean, look at it this way, for the users who bought it with the keyboard, we bought it for the tablet/pc experience. But now with Windows 8 tablets (and Win 8 Pro), what's the point of the TF300? Wouldn't you be more satisfied with the Surface tablet running full fledged Windows 8, and being able to use it with some of their basic apps for a tablet like experience?
That's just my 2 cents, I dunno. I'm thinking about saving for a Surface tablet without RT.
I still think TF300 is the best. It is Android (not Windows crappy SO) and my dock gives me more battery life. Windows 8 apps are sloooow to load, surface comes with many problems related to sound, and well, I'ts a Windows - after some months it will start to stay slow and buggy. I also hate that metro thing that you cannot even change. If I didn't buy the transformer at this time, I would buy it anyway.
The other Windows tablets don't even come close to the functionality the Asus Transformer Pad series offers. You don't have to use crappy Windows 8 for a start.
I am usually an early adopter, but I am waiting to see how the Windows RT market develops. In time, I think it will be as rich as the iOS and Android app markets, but it ain't there yet.
I also like the open nature of Android over iOS or Win RT. Windows is aiming for a compromise between the two environments: less restrictive than Apple, but still not open to multiple markets and varying levels of quality control/risk on the Android platform, which a lot of users will prefer. But Win RT is restricted, unlike the x86 version of Windows 8 (and all previous Windows OSs). So I don;t see Android losing its appeal, and thus the Transformer models are still strong tablets with keyboard capabilities.
I haven't seen a Windows tablet yet that will touch this Transformer.
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I mean recently I've been looking into getting a ASUS VivoTab which is similar to the Transformer series, but uses Windows 8 Pro, and an Atom Clover Field Dual-Core 1.8GHz processor, w/ 2GB's of RAM. It'll sustain my web browsing and be able to run legacy apps. That's what I'm really interested in, a laptop/tablet hybrid.
The TF300 doesn't keep me excited the way it used to :/ I really do wanna like it though.
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I mean recently I've been looking into getting a ASUS VivoTab which is similar to the Transformer series, but uses Windows 8 Pro, and an Atom Clover Field Dual-Core 1.8GHz processor, w/ 2GB's of RAM. It'll sustain my web browsing and be able to run legacy apps. That's what I'm really interested in, a laptop/tablet hybrid.
The TF300 doesn't keep me excited the way it used to :/ I really do wanna like it though.
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The way I see it, Windows 8 Pro looks great. BUT it can wait for the next laptop upgrade, at which point all laptops will be a tablet hybrid. Plus, going by the Microsoft "every other OS" curse, Windows 8 will suck compared to Windows 9.
Not just Android, but also price point: you're looking at US$200 more for the RT equivalent of the TF300.
I want a tablet, not a PC, and all the reliability you get with a tablet. I don't think there's anything wrong with Windows or Microsoft - I have two Windows PCs and think it's great for working on my desktop - but it's horses for courses, and I like the open nature of Android. You can expect Microsoft to mess something up or stifle development at some point: if Android didn't exist and development was left up to Microsoft then it'd be a much worse environment.
I can't imagine that I'd have a real use for a hybrid tablet/laptop though, not until the prices for touch screens come down a lot. At work and in my office here, the laptops end up getting plugged into a larger monitor and external keyboard for comfort reasons.
Or maybe I'm just getting old and resistant to change.
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Okay, so recently we've seen the sprout of Windows 8 tablets and RT tablets. And it got me wondering, now that we have Windows tablets with keyboard docks, what's the point of the TF300 or Transformer Line at all?
I mean, look at it this way, for the users who bought it with the keyboard, we bought it for the tablet/pc experience. But now with Windows 8 tablets (and Win 8 Pro), what's the point of the TF300? Wouldn't you be more satisfied with the Surface tablet running full fledged Windows 8, and being able to use it with some of their basic apps for a tablet like experience?
That's just my 2 cents, I dunno. I'm thinking about saving for a Surface tablet without RT.
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The biggest downside for windows 8 rt is you can only run rt apps which are few. I'll consider later when there is more app support. As I see it now if it isn't included you are stuck, compared to hundreds of thousands of apps for android.
Obsolete? No I don't think that is accurate. Newer tabs out, yes. That is the tech world. Buy today and get more bells and whistles tomorrow or use a current product until there is truly a good reason to upgrade or spend your bucks to have the latest.
I know which is best for me but you are the only one who can make a proper decision for yourself.
If it is right for you then certainly get one. No one can or should fault you for that.
Good Luck!
Yep I'm with the idea for the price tag this is more capable and better software..... Plus they are right the touch screen laptop bit is more attractive.....
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Honestly I don't like the way windows 8 is layed out. I do like the tablet / laptop design. But seriously windows 8 does not look compelling to me, they are trying to hard to make it look like android .
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just wondering if the release of Microsoft surface Windows 8 pro will render all the Android tablets outdated...
what would be the fate of g note 10.1, when the surface hits the shelf Feb 9th? Will you dish your note?
let's talk about its pro and cons
Will it be the finished article is the usual MS new release question .
jje
First of all, windows 8 sucks.
Ring out, Galaxy Note 10.1 is still the winner. Dont see anything useful in the surface pro and win8. too complicated for me as a win7 user, and the surface pro is too expensive. I still dont regret that I have bought the note 10.1
There's nothing to discuss about.
I don't like Windows 8 at all. This is the first Windows OS that I haven't updated my home systems to as soon as they are available. And it's not a matter of cost since I have access to 10 licenses at no cost. I installed it on my laptop and tried to use it for a few weeks and went back to 7.
While I think it's an OS that's more suitable for a tablet or phone than a desktop, I still think it's awful. I just think MS made a huge mistake with this thing.
IOW, my Note isn't going anywhere in the near future. And when it goes, it won't be for a Surface anything.
Yes. The gnote wasn't that good of a tablet anyways and the only thing appealing about it was the wacom digitizer, in which case the Surface Pro has it outclassed because you can run full fledged applications such as photoshop on it. ARM tablets are toys compared to x86 tablets but it in the future you'll still see low cost tablets from the Nexus series being popular.
Really even atom tablets today does tremendously more than what $500 android tablets are capable off and they often cost only $50 to a $100 more. And with incoming Haswell it'll address any negatives such as battery life. But with that being said atom tablets are already well within 10 to 11 hours of battery life while i5 variants are ranging around 5 to 7. Unless manufactures see this as a method of profit and start to include smaller and smaller batteries, (or razor thin ones) x86 tablets in the future will be comparable if not better in battery life while offering substantially more power.
simple answer.
NO.
Lol
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In before stupid gNote zealots attack and flame any attempt to have a honest conversation about the Pros & Cons of the gNote.
Just like before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869148
Because the gNote has no Cons and does no wrongs.
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Yes. The gnote wasn't that good of a tablet anyways and the only thing appealing about it was the wacom digitizer, in which case the Surface Pro has it outclassed because you can run full fledged applications such as photoshop on it.
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Surely using a stylus on ps touch, is 10x better than using your finger on a surface pro. Outclassed :laugh:
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... But with that being said atom tablets are already well within 10 to 11 hours of battery life while i5 variants are ranging around 5 to 7.
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Which i5 tablets get 5 - 7 of actual use? As a previous owner of one who just ditched it for the note I am very curious. My biggest problem was by far sub par battery life.
I think surface pro is the future of the Windows branch of "PC" for the masses....even though it will take a couple of years before they are palatable. But unfortunately I also think that the market is much larger for casual users (those who initially only want web and email). IPad, Asus, Samsung tablets are going to become even more prevalent. 20 years ago only ultrageeks used computers, today grandma has a Facebook acct. There are so many people that mobile computing is being used by now.
People who want to run Photoshop and other real warez will be fulfilled by the new surface pro types that I think eventually will become laptop and desktop replacements as well. At the same time the Apple and Android apps are slowly closing the gap. There is much more complex software available for mobile platforms than there was just a few years ago. This is where many new developers have emerged and it is a market where traditional softwares are dying to get into.
Microsoft is wayyyyy to late to the game, and they will never capture the casual users. I think they will hold a smaller market of business and previous PC users who haven't yet completely jumped ship. Apple and Android are here to stay as the majority, and Microsoft unfortunately as the minority.
That being said I still use my custom built Intel Z77/i5 3570K-based PC with 32GB RAM and Samsung 830 SSDs for RAW photo editing in Lightroom and Photoshop, using MATLAB, Visual Studio, Mathematica, Sony Vegas, Handbrake, Acrobat, etc, etc, as well as an occasional game of BF3. I use my phone and tablet for everything else.
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I love my note 10.1 I look at all info on tablets cause of curiosity but so far I want for nothing my note does all I want it to be able to do
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I think my desktop is enough for windows . I dont need windows tablet . My note 10.1 enough for me outside my house
just like others have said a big NO, i'm sure you have heard recently android is growing fast in terms of market share, microsoft dropped everything and tried to catch up with windows 8, too little, too late, microsoft are not only alienating thier pc gamer userbase with such a horrofic UI in windows 8 but most gaming card drivers don't work on 8 so why should they upgrade and loose features?
lets see if anyone will take something like that outside to work and be a laughing stock, the app store is nothing compared to ios and android, microsoft will never compare to either of them, not even a child can use windows 8 properly check out youtube and see for yourself, windows 8 is overcomplicated sqeezing tablet features into a desktop is the dumbest idea i have heard in my life, what the were they thinking?
Been Waiting on Microsoft Surface Pro for Work
Well, I own a Galaxy Nexus and N7 and have owned an iPad4. I am anxiously awaiting the MS SPro because I am hoping that the stylus integration will truly eliminate the use of pen/pad of my note taking. I also look forward to the integrate of the stylus with One Note.
The MS SPro stopped me from buying a Google Nexus 10 (no pen); Galaxy Note 10.1 (pen but less than ideal integration with Google Drive - i.e., no editing of slide presentations in the Drive).
If the writing experience is good; if I can access my PowerPoint presentations within the SkyDrive and edit them with the stylus, or touch screen, or keyboard and if the integration with One Note is good, particularly using the pen .... the MS SPro may become the preferred business tablet ...
with Google Tablets occupying the purely consumption space.
VERY Good point about annotating Power Points.
So far it's been basically impossible to do on Android.
No one wants to have to convert to PDF all the time.
Until SoftMaker remakes their Office Suite to the same level of functionality as their Windows Mobile 6 version (which basically WAS MS Office) Android can never be a serious productivity tool.
So far lots of Office Suites miss a majority of functions and even LOSE document data you originally had put in the document from the official MS Office, if you save.
With the gazillions MS spent on advertising Surface RT and even opening pop-up stores in malls to sell it they sold fewer than 1MM over the holidays. Samsung canceled plans to bring to bring the Ativ RT to the U.S. because of lack of consumer interest. Surface Pro is nothing more than Surface RT with the ability to run legacy Windows apps. The devices are twice as thick, twice as heavy, and battery life is unknown. The real change in personal computing is the addition of touch screen interaction and you'll see most new ultrabooks and notebooks including it. When that happens it's really just a choice of picking the Windows device that best suits people's needs - a small light ultrabook with a touchscreen with better battery life or a heavy Surface Pro with limitations and a removable display. Legacy Windows with all of its viruses and maintenance chores really isn't a competitor to consumption devices like iPad and Android tablets. And unless something changes Surface RT is already a fail. Samsung canceling the Ativ RT and releasing updated G-Tab's next month is a pretty good that Android will be around for awhile.
well, February 9th is just around the corner.... let's wait and see if Microsoft will surprise us.
I actually have a surface rt as well. It's inferior to the Note in almost all ways, but it definitely has two advantages.
1 the type keyboard is extremely nice to use and convenient
2 native ms office support is great when you need to work with word, ppt docs, and etc
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well, February 9th is just around the corner.... let's wait and see if Microsoft will surprise us.
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There's no surprise, here's the specs from their site. In the 64GB version, because the OS and installed apps are huge, there's only 23GB left for the user. And it's already confirmed to get half the battery life of Surface RT.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-8-pro/specifications
So...
$999 - 128GB Surface Pro (23GB is way too little available storage)
$250 - Office 2013 license (it's not included in Surface Pro)
$130 - "Type" cover (the "touch" cover included would drive productivity users nuts)
$1,379
I don't see people lining up for it.
Here's an interesting article comparing the RT to Pro...
http://www.zdnet.com/why-im-not-trading-my-surface-rt-for-a-surface-pro-7000010132/
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Surely using a stylus on ps touch, is 10x better than using your finger on a surface pro. Outclassed :laugh:
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Except the Surface Pro has a full sized pen power by a Wacom digitizer.
Full HD too. No 800p crap.
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Which i5 tablets get 5 - 7 of actual use? As a previous owner of one who just ditched it for the note I am very curious. My biggest problem was by far sub par battery life.
I think surface pro is the future of the Windows branch of "PC" for the masses....even though it will take a couple of years before they are palatable. But unfortunately I also think that the market is much larger for casual users (those who initially only want web and email). IPad, Asus, Samsung tablets are going to become even more prevalent. 20 years ago only ultrageeks used computers, today grandma has a Facebook acct. There are so many people that mobile computing is being used by now.
People who want to run Photoshop and other real warez will be fulfilled by the new surface pro types that I think eventually will become laptop and desktop replacements as well. At the same time the Apple and Android apps are slowly closing the gap. There is much more complex software available for mobile platforms than there was just a few years ago. This is where many new developers have emerged and it is a market where traditional softwares are dying to get into.
Microsoft is wayyyyy to late to the game, and they will never capture the casual users. I think they will hold a smaller market of business and previous PC users who haven't yet completely jumped ship. Apple and Android are here to stay as the majority, and Microsoft unfortunately as the minority.
That being said I still use my custom built Intel Z77/i5 3570K-based PC with 32GB RAM and Samsung 830 SSDs for RAW photo editing in Lightroom and Photoshop, using MATLAB, Visual Studio, Mathematica, Sony Vegas, Handbrake, Acrobat, etc, etc, as well as an occasional game of BF3. I use my phone and tablet for everything else.
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Acer W700. It has a 1000mah larger battery than the Surface Pro.
I have to start by saying I've been a long time Windows guy. I've had many tablet PC's and liked the ability to use a stylus for both ink notes and ink to text. However, tablet PC's were always too heavy for real portable use. I've never been a fan of Apple products and really have considered the iPad more of a toy than a business machine.
When I first saw the Galaxy Note 10.1 I figured this was what I had been waiting and for. I like many features of the Note. Particularly the ability to take ink notes with LectureNotes. However, after using Android for a full year, I realize there are many shortcomings if you are trying to use as your main portable computer. I use all the Microsoft Office products and Android just falls short on all of them. So I tried using Remote Desktop to simulate Windows. However, all the apps I found are glitchy.
I stopped in my local Windows Store and discovered Windows 8 has pretty much all the capabilities I need. I tried the Surface Pro but found it to be too heavy, runs hot and is loud. Then I discovered Samsung makes a series called ATIV Tab 5 or 500T. I bought one from a store that gives a 15 day return trial. This thing is really cool. It has built in USB and HDMI ports, has an 11.5" screen, is light, runs fast yet stays cool. I can do all my Office stuff plus load full programs, which is a huge plus. The HDMI port allows connection to a monitor and Windows 8 has the built in ability for dual screens. This ends up being a full blown computer when I need it to be!
I'm not sure that I understand the huge angst for Windows 8. So far I think it is fast and I just got the 8.1 update, which is supposed to make it faster.
Long story short - after trying the Android for a year I found it just isn't capable enough as a work computer. Try the Samsung 500T, I think you'll like it.
The 500T is excellent but Windows 8 lacks the integration with Android phones (Note II, and I have had a Windows phone and felt trapped) as well as many of the customization options that are available on Android. Plus I prefer native Google Maps and search to Bing.
But yeah I mean if you need a full OS it's a good way to go and Samsung has made it compatible with things like S-Note.
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i to have been considering the switch. ..as really i need the desktop option for power point and you can also use bluestacks for Android apps on w8
recently been scouting the pro 2, but also lookef at some of asus offerings and Samsung as well including the ones yo mentioned
battery still concerns me so i may keep my note for those long plane rides, but the multi tasking on windows 8 i feel brings something great to the table
just waiting to se what option is best for me
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The surface pro 2 is looking good to me. Having a tablet and a laptop in one, 8gb of ram lots of storage, usb 3.0. Being able to use lightroom, photoshop and other full software would be great. This tablet is great and for the price I paid well worth it but I need more. I'm gonna sell this and probably go for the new surface or an ativ with my Christmas bonus.
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The surface pro 2 is looking good to me. Having a tablet and a laptop in one, 8gb of ram lots of storage, usb 3.0. Being able to use lightroom, photoshop and other full software would be great. This tablet is great and for the price I paid well worth it but I need more. I'm gonna sell this and probably go for the new surface or an ativ with my Christmas bonus.
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You can even use usb 3.0 external hard drives on pro 2, they are sweet but very pricey also.
I picked up a Dell Latitude 10 from the outlet store for £250 iirc to do an experiment in Windows tablets (couldn't justify the cost of a Surface Pro) and I must say, having used it for a couple of months now I love having a fully fledged OS on a tablet. The version I got came with the 4 cell battery which gets me over 18 (YES I did say 18) hours of productive use. When used as a laptop/desktop replacement I get over two days between charges, if I use the productivity dock you can double that easily. In real world terms, one charge can last a week depending on what you are doing. Using the Note in the same way I'd need to charge it daily.
I still use the Note 10.1 but more as a secondary/backup/internet device. The weirdest thing I've found since going over to a Win 8 tablet is how it has sentenced my desktop AND laptop to the dust bowl with only the latter getting out for the odd gaming session.
As a predominately Linux user (mainly used windows for gaming) I think what Microsoft have done with Windows 8 is genius and I am one of those weirdos that actually love the simplicity of Metro for basic things and desktop mode for everything else. I would love to be able to switch between Linux and Win 8 like I'm used to, but tbh I have not missed using Linux too much since getting it.
whats a good priced win8 tablet with pen and good battery life
also keyboard would be nice that has a battery
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I like the 500T but do not like that you cannot use the pen to navigate around (webpages etc).
Touchwiz has alot of nice touches with the s-pen and mobile use.
Only thing need Win8 for is MS office. Android options are garbage. tied of professors getting mad about sloppy formating.
Once MS puts office out for Android(if ever) then no point.
But Samsung will soon have Dual boot with WinRT...though I was shocked the 500T has full Win 8.
I heard the Tab3 is garbage tho..
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I like the 500T but do not like that you cannot use the pen to navigate around (webpages etc).
Touchwiz has alot of nice touches with the s-pen and mobile use.
Only thing need Win8 for is MS office. Android options are garbage. tied of professors getting mad about sloppy formating.
Once MS puts office out for Android(if ever) then no point.
But Samsung will soon have Dual boot with WinRT...though I was shocked the 500T has full Win 8.
I heard the Tab3 is garbage tho..
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agreed..really need ms office more importantly in the enterprise sector...still dont get why the dont offer the surface pro for 500
On the other hand I switch to Android from Windows 8 tablet!
Windows 8 tablets are:
Top slow, terribly slow on multitasking
Still don't have multiwindow
Touch response is just not as good as note 10
Battery life is just out of any discussion.! More powerful the tablet, less battery it has, means the worst usage, per to pocket. ?
No real mobile applications, keep on the browser alive and you will end up with even worst battery
Keyboard is just from primitive ages. ?, don't mention about the swipe...But you can be a dreamer. ?.
Pen calibration issue all the time forever. ?.
Gogogo ms soon will be really micro! Company...With overpriced products that just can't make it
And please stop that productivity thingies, w8 tablets are just in stage of touch enabled net books, and no you can not make anything on Netbook Eexcept editing office docs and being fun of ms office... Because others out there so the same thing, On THE GO
?.All those written by note 10.1, used for business purposes, by swyping, just on a cafe table. ..
you know i actually had this same reasins for not switching ...but the bluestacks came along and i have all the the tablet apps i need and google stuff plus a full desktop to book
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On the other hand I switch to Android from Windows 8 tablet!
Windows 8 tablets are:
Top slow, terribly slow on multitasking
Still don't have multiwindow
Touch response is just not as good as note 10
Battery life is just out of any discussion.! More powerful the tablet, less battery it has, means the worst usage, per to pocket. ?
No real mobile applications, keep on the browser alive and you will end up with even worst battery
Keyboard is just from primitive ages. ?, don't mention about the swipe...But you can be a dreamer. ?.
Pen calibration issue all the time forever. ?.
Gogogo ms soon will be really micro! Company...With overpriced products that just can't make it
And please stop that productivity thingies, w8 tablets are just in stage of touch enabled net books, and no you can not make anything on Netbook Eexcept editing office docs and being fun of ms office... Because others out there so the same thing, On THE GO
?.All those written by note 10.1, used for business purposes, by swyping, just on a cafe table. ..
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Old windows 8 tablets are crap. New ones (depending on what) aren't bad at all. Im actually now looking at the lenovo yoga 2. 13in screen, i7 processor, 8gb ram amd 256gb ssd usb 3.0. Full windows 8 so I can use lightroom and photoshop. Battery life is decent. Good enough for me. I don't need all the android apps. I need full programs. I have my phome for the little android apps.
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I've been considering switching from my note tablet to a surface tablet. I really like Windows 8 and as someone who has been using computing devices since the mid 1980's , I just want one device to rule them all. I love my note, it is a great device. But it doesn't have one note. I really like the s-note program, but onenote is far superior.
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I'll tell you this, we still need windows 8 tablets. Unfortunately Microsoft having been to late to understand the mobile trend acted slowly. The 2 giants Microsoft and Intel dominated the world for 20 years, but both giants are now having difficulties in adapting.MS could have adapted its phone OS to a simple tablet, but waited to release the RT. I own a smartphone (Note2) which I use when I am on the road. At office I depend on my GN 10.1. Since I love technology I constantly change devices. Nevertheless last february I started with Vaio Duo 11 which I returned in a week, got a Samsung XE700T, which I sold to a friend in two months. I was a bit confused and about windows 8 and the tablets had not been matured... until Haswell. Now I am also a proud owner of a Vaio Duo 13 which I love. I am not using my GN 10.1. It just sits there on the table. After 8.1 update and the recent wifi driver update Duo 13 has been my first choice in mobility. With 8 gig RAM, 256 gig SSD and a i7 processor... I think we will see more windows tablets, hybrids in the future. I am an Android fan, but seriously they are just toys and gadgets.
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I'll tell you this, we still need windows 8 tablets. Unfortunately Microsoft having been to late to understand the mobile trend acted slowly. The 2 giants Microsoft and Intel dominated the world for 20 years, but both giants are now having difficulties in adapting.MS could have adapted its phone OS to a simple tablet, but waited to release the RT. I own a smartphone (Note2) which I use when I am on the road. At office I depend on my GN 10.1. Since I love technology I constantly change devices. Nevertheless last february I started with Vaio Duo 11 which I returned in a week, got a Samsung XE700T, which I sold to a friend in two months. I was a bit confused and about windows 8 and the tablets had not been matured... until Haswell. Now I am also a proud owner of a Vaio Duo 13 which I love. I am not using my GN 10.1. It just sits there on the table. After 8.1 update and the recent wifi driver update Duo 13 has been my first choice in mobility. With 8 gig RAM, 256 gig SSD and a i7 processor... I think we will see more windows tablets, hybrids in the future. I am an Android fan, but seriously they are just toys and gadgets.
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Probably will have just Several hours of real usage time and Soon I count the time that ms Will be a history as the term→ pre-pc era! Shall be said pre-mS era
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Probably will have just Several hours of real usage time and Soon I count the time that ms Will be a history as the term→ pre-pc era! Shall be said pre-mS era
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Not really. Standby time of Vaio Duo 13 is quite good, not as good as Ipad or GN 10.1, but 10+ hours of continuous usage, near 2 days standby getting e-mails or social media updates.
As for MS... Gates is only good at marketing. In mid 90's he said multimedia was not important, later he didnt care about Internet, but every time he made a comeback. We know that there is a huge decrease in desktop and laptop sales lately, but this is also a great danger for the future of technology, unless portable devices would be capable of doing whatever those machines are doing. If PC market dies who will financially backup the future supercomputers? Are we going to send men on Mars relying on Ipads?
Although I make my living developing/building Android devices, I hope the Windows Tablet market remains viable as without competition you get stagnation, which isn't good for anyone.
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If PC market dies who will financially backup the future supercomputers? Are we going to send men on Mars relying on Ipads?
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No, but I suspect they'll be using more ARM chips (i.e., Android/iDevice) chips than x86 chips (PC/Surface) to do so as time goes on- your question will likely be more reality than fiction.
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I've been considering switching from my note tablet to a surface tablet. I really like Windows 8 and as someone who has been using computing devices since the mid 1980's , I just want one device to rule them all. I love my note, it is a great device. But it doesn't have one note. I really like the s-note program, but onenote is far superior.
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Yes it does. I use One Note on all my devices. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.office.onenote&hl=en :good: