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[Q] Can't decide Razr M or SG III

Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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For 100 bucks, it can't be beat. They also did a good job of not raping the ICS experience. I'm very pleased with this phone. The non-removable battery bugs me, too. But, for $100, I don't think it's a bad risk. Just charge it correctly and the phone should last a good two yrs on it. Oh, and the battery life is very nice. I had an 1800 mAh in my X and this is smoking that battery. Definitely a nice little upgrade from the bolt lol. And, color led's....Moto hardware.

I've been using the M since the launch, replacing a RAZR MAXX. I don't like Samsung Android phones for a number of reasons; I don't have a recent one so I can't compare. My last four phones have been Motorola android. I do look around and almost bought the iphone4S in the spring but decided on the RAZR MAXX. I don't consider myself a fanboy but I have been sticking to Motorola.
The build quality of the phone is excellent. No problem holding a signal. The phone is very loud and sound is clear, both phone and speaker; important to me as I use mine on noisy streets. I like the size better than the MAXX, as you said, easier to move your thumb from one side to the other. The size is closer to a 4" screen because you have the bottom row of buttons using screen space unlike prior dedicated buttons. I'd rather have a removable battery too but Motorola seems to be moving away from these. The battery seems to charge faster than my other phones. I don't use my phone for videos or games so the screen is fine for my needs although it isn't as readable outdoors as my D3 (both on auto brightness). Phone supports 64gB cards according to this thread:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e25e57fac0
Since a developer's edition is available on Verizon I would think you'll see more support for these three Motorola phones from the developer community than any other on Verizon. Full disclosure, I did get mine free at the launch event but I really like this phone with the battery being the biggest negative as I'm not near a charger all day when I'm out of the office. I don't come close to the "20 hours of mixed usage" in the device specifications.

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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If big screen is not your choice, you can happily buy it, I am also very much impressed with RAZR M's almost frame-less display.. I am waiting for Intel version, coming this 18th....

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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i just did, also a t420s user (and prior t410s). im loving it so far. i was stuck between the two and wanted to smaller form factor.
need to find a battery charger, used to external charger and spare batts to carry round for a long weeked of travel.

I'd get the RAZR M, hands down. The oversized SIII does not appeal to me at all. I don't need to win any arguments against the nerds, so the slight sacrifice in specs doesn't matter to me. It uses the same processor, anyway, so the only thing you're missing is the RAM and the storage. Plus, I'm really not a fan of the cheap plastic that Samsung uses, and Samsung in general just has been pissing me off as of late.

I've been comparing both the last couple of days (Verizon) and will try and comment more later tonight, but I've decided on the M. A lot more to say, but signal strength was noticeably better on the M (wifi and cell - thank you Moto), build quality feels more solid, and battery life seems marginally better (I'm sure because of the signal strength difference and screen difference). Not that there weren't things I liked better on the S3, but in my case the M made the most sense. Will try and elaborate more later.
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Thanks guys. This is a very good(and encouraging) discussion.
jntdroid - Waiting to read what you have to say after your analysis.
Str0ntium - I am no techie expert by any stretch, so what steps do I have to take to extend the battery life. My current(2yr old) is just sputtering and just drains battery quickly. Have to charge it at least twice a day with minimal use. I probably did not take the correct steps to extend it's life.

themogul said:
Thanks guys. This is a very good(and encouraging) discussion.
jntdroid - Waiting to read what you have to say after your analysis.
Str0ntium - I am no techie expert by any stretch, so what steps do I have to take to extend the battery life. My current(2yr old) is just sputtering and just drains battery quickly. Have to charge it at least twice a day with minimal use. I probably did not take the correct steps to extend it's life.
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For me this is very good out the box I am a very heavy user and usually get 2-4 tops with my other phones that 11 percent lasted another 2 hours!!
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nagnrik said:
If big screen is not your choice, you can happily buy it, I am also very much impressed with RAZR M's almost frame-less display.. I am waiting for Intel version, coming this 18th....
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Why are you waiting for the Intel one? Are you in Europe? Or are you affirmatively choosing it over the s4 version?
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I sold my GS3 for the Razr M. The GS3 is a great device, but I've just never caught on with the looks and the size does make it unwieldy at times for one handed use. Motorola devices tend to have the strongest signal, and the M having the same Snapdragon S4 and being smaller just makes it a home run for me. Would be cool to have the 720p LCD, but I'm not bothered by it.

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I sold my GS3 for the Razr M. The GS3 is a great device, but I've just never caught on with the looks and the size does make it unwieldy at times for one handed use. Motorola devices tend to have the strongest signal, and the M having the same Snapdragon S4 and being smaller just makes it a home run for me. Would be cool to have the 720p LCD, but I'm not bothered by it.
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No regrets so far? Is the M's signal noticeably better than the s3's?
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No regrets so far? Is the M's signal noticeably better than the s3's?
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Not at all. The Snapdragon S4 paired with a qHD screen makes the device brutally fast. Don't get me wrong, the SGS3 is fast out of the box, but with less pixel, it's a missile in the Razr M. Other than getting Nova launcher to replace the BLUR launcher, I have nothing to complain about.
In terms of signal strength, that is always a YMMV discussion, but I am definitely getting better data connectivity. I had a hard time streaming Youtube music video at my work desk, but no problems with the Motorola. I seem to be getting an extra bar or about -10 db in terms of signal strength over the SGS3.

The big differences in the S3 over the Razr M is the size diffrence.
Other than that the Razr M does not support HDMI out. Even through MHL. Inside the Razr M also only has 8gb of memory but unless you really need 64gb's of memory I think you'll be fine. The screen looks good even though it's not 720p.
I do really like the circle widget though it's pretty slick.
I would have to guess that the S3 will have end up being more developer friendly if you are into modding. The Samsung also has some decent packaged in apps but that's not really a huge selling point.

Z2 Compact

Seriously???!!!!!
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z2-compact-already-on-the-way--1239773
C;mon Sony.. let me enjoy my phone for a bit longer!!!!

More RAM and better camera and faster processor if it follows the z2.... life time of z1 = 3 to 6 months??? :S

emilic said:
More RAM and better camera and faster processor if it follows the z2.... life time of z1 = 3 to 6 months??? :S
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almost identical processor... almost identical camera... i dont see the point for upgrading.
DAC Audio is cool indeed, timeshift too... 4k is not a big deal for me.

No matter what you do... you will always be 4-6 months from what manufacturers and the carriers would have you believe is 'obsolescence'. Much like the megapixel race (which is laughable), and 4G -eewhisyouneedthis, most of it is the marketing team and peers making you think you need it. I spent tons of graphics cards for my PC's before I finally realized the chase never ends, and that I should research and settle on something for more than 8 months.
I won't be chasing that rabbit...

profyler said:
almost identical processor... almost identical camera... i dont see the point for upgrading.
DAC Audio is cool indeed, timeshift too... 4k is not a big deal for me.
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I agree, I just wonder about the 3gb ram... that is the most interesting feature for me...
But once again I just hope this news will bring the z1 compact price down and I will get mine
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Sony would be a lot more profitable if they didn't insist on flooding the market with numerous but similar spec variations of essentially the same device. I'm gutted that they've brought the Vaio to an end and would be sad to see the Xperia go down the same track.

I think sony do the big profit in the first 2 month ish... after 2-3 month the phone profit goes down to a not as big one and of course Sony cares only of the big profit. So I can see why thy to what they do... more when u take into account all the other phone makers that are putting out their devices at different times. Good way for Sony to compete against the others.
Just wonder about quality control and development costs...

emilic said:
Just wonder about quality control and development costs...
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That's what I'm referring to, they would be better off with 3 or 4 models every year, compact, budget, mid range and high end.

emilic said:
I think sony do the big profit in the first 2 month ish... after 2-3 month the phone profit goes down to a not as big one and of course Sony cares only of the big profit. So I can see why thy to what they do... more when u take into account all the other phone makers that are putting out their devices at different times. Good way for Sony to compete against the others.
Just wonder about quality control and development costs...
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Actually.... No. =)
I can agree, if we are talking about Z2 (which has to compete with the new Samsung S5, HTC New One and etc), but it's different with Z1c. Z1 Compact is one-of-the-kind. It has literally no competitors in it's High-End-Portable niche on the market. So, IMO, it's kinda counter-productive to dish out another Compact in such a short period of time since Z1c release. :\

While I won't buy the Z2 compact (and maybe even skip the Z3 compact), I just hope they keep the size the same as z1 compact. I want a small phone, not a smaller phone (which will grow in size if flagships increase in size). I once said to my friend, it's ironic when the so called "minis" (and compact) is so much larger than my non "mini" phone (was using, xperia ray, I guess that made my ray "micro" ) and about the same size as xperia s/galaxy s2 which is a "normal" sized phone
ps: I know that mini actually means smaller version and not small in manufacturer definition. I just dislike the trend.

Well let's just note that the news of the FCC are not necessarily for the z2 compact but for the Sony z2 2f or Japanese version of the z2 compact... so time wise we should add two to three months more for the z2c starting from the release date of the Japanese version.

How is 4.5" compact? The Z1 Compact is already not compact at all because of the bezel. I said they should make the phone smaller not bigger, but apparently Sony don't understand.

Well they could easily fit a 4.5 inch screen and make the bezels smaller.
I fully expect a Z2 compact come the end of the year, but not in a few months.

hellgiar said:
How is 4.5" compact? The Z1 Compact is already not compact at all because of the bezel. I said they should make the phone smaller not bigger, but apparently Sony don't understand.
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Completely agree. While I think the Z1 Compact is great, if anything I would prefer it to be slightly smaller - maybe a 4.1" or 4.2" (at most) screen with reduced bezel/hard capacitive buttons would be perfect. If Z2 'Compact' has a 4.5" screen then I certainly wouldn't be interested in upgrading.

if you read sony forums everyone is begging for a bigger display/phone. I'd almost think these guys are fake competitor accounts, since it makes no sense. the regular Z2 is great for a larger display. It's not like you need 5.2, 5.1, 5.0, 4.9, ... displays
4.2/no bezels would be cool (also, its probably never going to happen...)

I think the main concern seems to be the bezel. Looking at something like the Moto X its clear the screen could be 4.5 or even 4.7 while maintaining a similar size without those massive bezels.
Personally I'd like to see 4.3 with little bezel or 4.5 with little bezel. Even 4.7 is possible if they minimize bezel ala LG G2. I've actually got a Note 2 so I'm sure the size will be much more managable regardless of bezel or not though! Just sort of feels like wasted space though.

Keep in mind that z1 compact has the largest battery in this size and is waterproof ontop of it. Choosing between small bezel or big battery + waterproof id go with the latter everytime...
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The z1c already is too big, I had a moto RAZR I before that, that was a nice form factor (not that I want it back, but this part of it, they did very well).
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That does put a damper on our relationship.

Best camera, screen, battery life and great performance, all in a compact waterproof dustproof package, can't be BEAT.

I still intend to keep my Z1 Compact for at least a year. So... I guess I'll be getting the Z3 Compact then?
I hope the screen stays at 4.3 inch. I still want a nice ppi.

Not Impressed by Z4

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z4_launches_with_52_fhd_display_in_japan-news-11960.php

What would you want?

Snaqejack said:
What would you want?
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laser gun and toaster.

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What would you want?
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Better camera, fingerprint sensor, new design = less dead space around the display...

I would prefer a edgeless display. Also more inovations like the galaxy s6
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It is Japan only anyway if you believe the web

It has a smaller battery than the Z1 lol
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By 90 mah..
That's like, 10 minutes usable time.. tops..

I don't really mind actually. Fingerprint scanner is just another useless feature (imo) because I don't think I will ever use it. No QHD display means better battery life plus we don't need QHD on a small display. I really like the design of the Z3, which is a phone I don't have. So upgrading from the Z1 to the Z4 would be a big jump. 3GB of ram is sufficient though 4GB would be nice. Heard that Sony is completely redesigning their UI. We'll see about that. Smaller battery? Well the Z3 has a beast of a battery life. Z3 has 3100mAh whilst the Z4 has a 2930mAh. A small drop but I'm sure Sony's famous Stamina Mode would really help the battery life.
Sure the upgrade isn't a big jump. The CPU is a bit disappointing. Snapdragon 810 is quite infamous already. But all in all, Sony just started back to their 1 flagship per year cycle. I'd say this a decent start. Just keep their flagship up to date while (hopefully) making the Z5 a HUGE improvement. I will definitely upgrade to the Z4. I won't buy the S6 or its Edge variant. Why? It's too expensive, even with contract. Seriously. It sure is nice but I spent $100+ for a 128gb microSD card. It'd be a waste if I moved over to Samsung considering, again, the 128gb variant of the S6/S6 Edge is damn expensive.
For other device, HTC One M9 is a big no no. Seriously. I dislike its design, the display is definitely off and bloody hell the camera is ugly. The Boomsound speaker is nice, would love to have it but it's not enough for me to go for the M9. LG G4? Nah. It probably has a QHD display like the G3. I don't need that and frankly it's a waste of battery life. Plus the leather design isn't my style.
I prefer Sony since the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro to the Xperia Arc S, to the Xperia V and now to the Z1 because of how beautiful and simple the design is. It is not flooded with features that are junk (again, in my opinion) and the fact that they support developers is nice. Plus I am already used to how we flash firmwares, roms, kernels, mods and other stuff on Sony devices. They are very, very easy. I will upgrade to the Z4. Been waiting for it since the time I can upgrade (last year, December).
tl;dr: I just can't go to other brands. They have designs and "features" that I dislike.

that is only for japan . Sony will announce a flagship in the end om May . The z4 is the last phone from the z line from sony .

mmmmmmm I will never buy a phone without sdcard slot......for me sdcard is mandatory, so no samsung and no htc anymore........let's wait, for now is only for japan, maybe for other country we can hope to have a 4gb ram this is the only lack for me........and a newer skin maybe.........and a bigger battery or same battery but in a compact version.......I have z1 but I would have bought a z1c, I have a really big hand but in my pocket it will fit better a z4c......let's wait and hope......

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Said thousands of times that i hate them making phones with no real new features and even no new design
If u ask me what me what do I want, I would just say i couldnt think of many but if they cant think of it either then no need to make a meaningless new phone.
I wont expect Z5 either, start getting hopeless on sony
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LeParkour012 said:
I don't really mind actually. Fingerprint scanner is just another useless feature (imo) because I don't think I will ever use it. No QHD display means better battery life plus we don't need QHD on a small display. I really like the design of the Z3, which is a phone I don't have. So upgrading from the Z1 to the Z4 would be a big jump. 3GB of ram is sufficient though 4GB would be nice. Heard that Sony is completely redesigning their UI. We'll see about that. Smaller battery? Well the Z3 has a beast of a battery life. Z3 has 3100mAh whilst the Z4 has a 2930mAh. A small drop but I'm sure Sony's famous Stamina Mode would really help the battery life.
Sure the upgrade isn't a big jump. The CPU is a bit disappointing. Snapdragon 810 is quite infamous already. But all in all, Sony just started back to their 1 flagship per year cycle. I'd say this a decent start. Just keep their flagship up to date while (hopefully) making the Z5 a HUGE improvement. I will definitely upgrade to the Z4. I won't buy the S6 or its Edge variant. Why? It's too expensive, even with contract. Seriously. It sure is nice but I spent $100+ for a 128gb microSD card. It'd be a waste if I moved over to Samsung considering, again, the 128gb variant of the S6/S6 Edge is damn expensive.
For other device, HTC One M9 is a big no no. Seriously. I dislike its design, the display is definitely off and bloody hell the camera is ugly. The Boomsound speaker is nice, would love to have it but it's not enough for me to go for the M9. LG G4? Nah. It probably has a QHD display like the G3. I don't need that and frankly it's a waste of battery life. Plus the leather design isn't my style.
I prefer Sony since the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro to the Xperia Arc S, to the Xperia V and now to the Z1 because of how beautiful and simple the design is. It is not flooded with features that are junk (again, in my opinion) and the fact that they support developers is nice. Plus I am already used to how we flash firmwares, roms, kernels, mods and other stuff on Sony devices. They are very, very easy. I will upgrade to the Z4. Been waiting for it since the time I can upgrade (last year, December).
tl;dr: I just can't go to other brands. They have designs and "features" that I dislike.
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Honestly, your only gain for moving to Z4 seems to be the dual speaker

LeParkour012 said:
I don't really mind actually. Fingerprint scanner is just another useless feature (imo) because I don't think I will ever use it. No QHD display means better battery life plus we don't need QHD on a small display. I really like the design of the Z3, which is a phone I don't have. So upgrading from the Z1 to the Z4 would be a big jump. 3GB of ram is sufficient though 4GB would be nice. Heard that Sony is completely redesigning their UI. We'll see about that. Smaller battery? Well the Z3 has a beast of a battery life. Z3 has 3100mAh whilst the Z4 has a 2930mAh. A small drop but I'm sure Sony's famous Stamina Mode would really help the battery life.
Sure the upgrade isn't a big jump. The CPU is a bit disappointing. Snapdragon 810 is quite infamous already. But all in all, Sony just started back to their 1 flagship per year cycle. I'd say this a decent start. Just keep their flagship up to date while (hopefully) making the Z5 a HUGE improvement. I will definitely upgrade to the Z4. I won't buy the S6 or its Edge variant. Why? It's too expensive, even with contract. Seriously. It sure is nice but I spent $100+ for a 128gb microSD card. It'd be a waste if I moved over to Samsung considering, again, the 128gb variant of the S6/S6 Edge is damn expensive.
For other device, HTC One M9 is a big no no. Seriously. I dislike its design, the display is definitely off and bloody hell the camera is ugly. The Boomsound speaker is nice, would love to have it but it's not enough for me to go for the M9. LG G4? Nah. It probably has a QHD display like the G3. I don't need that and frankly it's a waste of battery life. Plus the leather design isn't my style.
I prefer Sony since the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro to the Xperia Arc S, to the Xperia V and now to the Z1 because of how beautiful and simple the design is. It is not flooded with features that are junk (again, in my opinion) and the fact that they support developers is nice. Plus I am already used to how we flash firmwares, roms, kernels, mods and other stuff on Sony devices. They are very, very easy. I will upgrade to the Z4. Been waiting for it since the time I can upgrade (last year, December).
tl;dr: I just can't go to other brands. They have designs and "features" that I dislike.
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Well i am on Z1 as well. I Don't like how there is not much compared to the Z3 but it will be an upgrade for me. Slimmer bezels, lighter, bigger display, more ram. What i am scared of and will be waiting on multiple reviews from people themselves is the processor. I know they say it gets really hot and we already had heating issues with z1 and 2. I hope they know what they are doing.

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Honestly, your only gain for moving to Z4 seems to be the dual speaker
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That's not the only gain. Better display, and camera. It is lighter and thinner. Better battery life (hopefully). More Ram for my multitasking needs. Flapless microUSB port yet still waterproof. I already like my Z1 just as it is. All these improvements are considered a big upgrade for me since it improves on what I already like. Like I said, I don't need the other features that I think are useless.
I've never seen anyone complain about the lack of features on the Z2. People still upgraded to it. Now since the Z4 is still a better device than the Z2, why not just upgrade from my Z1? I can upgrade my phone once a year so if I don't like it, I can just wait for another year.

They needed to change the design. Note hugely, just a little. When I saw some leaks I was disappointed. Then there were rumours that it was actually the Neo...thank god. Then they release it officially. Bugger!
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They needed to change the design. Note hugely, just a little. When I saw some leaks I was disappointed. Then there were rumours that it was actually the Neo...thank god. Then they release it officially. Bugger!
This would have been cool...
Can't think of what it reminds me of though...
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Is it just me they look like portable charger XD

Have a Z1 and looks like I'll move away. Can't see any real upgrade on the Z1 and one feature I really liked on the Z1 is the side charging connector. I've a Brodit car cradle and I just drop the phone into the cradle and it charges while I drive, no cables to plug in. They've removed this with adding QI or any other wireless charging.
Sorry Sony, looks like M9 or G4 will be my next upgrade (want card slot as I have a 128GB SD card full of FLACC files so Samsung is out)

Denonite said:
Have a Z1 and looks like I'll move away. Can't see any real upgrade on the Z1 and one feature I really liked on the Z1 is the side charging connector. I've a Brodit car cradle and I just drop the phone into the cradle and it charges while I drive, no cables to plug in. They've removed this with adding QI or any other wireless charging.
Sorry Sony, looks like M9 or G4 will be my next upgrade (want card slot as I have a 128GB SD card full of FLACC files so Samsung is out)
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Question. Why the M9? Doesn't the Z4 have about the same specifications as the M9?

Yes there very close, I feel HTC might be in the market longer than Sony (did not think I would ever say that). Nothing is sacred at Sony and its looking increasingly like Xperia may die especially if they can't put any real effort into new flagship products, makes me think the long term investment is not there.

Z5 Ultra.. IFA 2015

Hey guys.. I read this article and it makes me excited about The successor or our beloved Togari. Chrck this out..Sony Xperia Z5 release date, price and specs: Coming in September, also in Compact and Ultra models
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/mobile-phone/sony-xperia-z5-release-date-price-specs-3619162/
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http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sony.nfx.app.sfrc

http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_z5_tipped_to_launch_in_september-news-12915.php

jsonexe said:
Hey guys.. I read this article and it makes me excited about The successor or our beloved Togari. Chrck this out..Sony Xperia Z5 release date, price and specs: Coming in September, also in Compact and Ultra models
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/mobile-phone/sony-xperia-z5-release-date-price-specs-3619162/
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http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sony.nfx.app.sfrc
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Except for the obvious prediction that the next xperia is called z5 the rest of the article is purely speculative with no source (credible or not) mentioned. It more looks like the author just put together a wish list of his own. Honestly I grew tired of getting excited about these baseless prediction just to be disappointed when the actual release date came.
If you think about it logically, except for a very small group of geeks (myself happily included) who admire the engineering marvel that xzu is, most ordinary people ridicule this phone. The reaction I get from other people when they see me with the phone is that it is way too small to be a practical tablet and way too big to be a practical phone. That is why despite its excellent specs it is selling for around 250 dollars these days and no one is rushing to deplete the stocks.
Sony needs to revive its mobile business very badly and has to focus on the smallest number of investments with the highest return. Look at tablet z4 for example which anyone immediately falls in love with. And on the phone front it should follow a two tier premium model that was started by Samsung with the s series and note series, and copied by Apple as iPhone 6 and iPhone 6s plus, which has proved to be a super successful model in the United states and elsewhere. Another ultra phone has no place in such a line up, as sad as it may be for me and others in this forum.

Sorry to disappoint, but the next ultra will most likely have 6" display. the reason for it is obvious: much more pants pocket friendly. no brainer. most people aside of a minority of hardcore mobile geeks/some woman who carry a purse 24/7 who want larger display then 6" will buy a tablet. they want profit in 2016 and they want to rival mpte 5. 6s plus, lg new phablet, etc. and not some negligible chinese tablets with phone capabilities. there is no other way. it is a very good expected and wanted move for sony and all should be happy, including sony fans aside of minority of people who actually use z ultra as daily driver. most people beg sony to make a flag phablet that they actually never made (full flagship spec, more pocket friendly, etc.).

amirprog said:
Sorry to disappoint, but the next ultra will most likely have 6" display. the reason for it is obvious: much more pants pocket friendly. no brainer. most people aside of a minority of hardcore mobile geeks/some woman who carry a purse 24/7 who want larger display then 6" will buy a tablet. they want profit in 2016 and they want to rival mpte 5. 6s plus, lg new phablet, etc. and not some negligible chinese tablets with phone capabilities. there is no other way. it is a very good expected and wanted move for sony and all should be happy, including sony fans aside of minority of people who actually use z ultra as daily driver. most people beg sony to make a flag phablet that they actually never made (full flagship spec, more pocket friendly, etc.).
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I agree. I don't know if its gonna be 6" (personally would prefer 6.2" if we can't have 6.4" again) but it will be smaller. The reason is simple: ZU didn't sell as well as they wanted.
Although I would argue if they do not release similar flagship phones every half a year the ZU would have position itself better to compete directly with the Galaxy Notes. But it seems they're still following the same business model they will blame on the size of the ZU being unpopular among consumers.

Most consumers and sony fans voice is loud and clear: "sony! make a phablet flag, give it the best spec - every feature of what the main size flag has and more, give it some simple software features to make good use of a large display like 2 windows mode, make it as pocket friendly as possible, don't make the display larger then 6", height dimensions should be as short as possible to further make it easier to carry in pants pocket". this is what i hear and read in the last 2 years. imagine such device with the beautiful sexy new design that only sony know to design, 6" JDI/AUO QHD display, 2 front speakers, latest camera sensor imx230, beefy 4000-4500 mAh battery, etc. *day dreaming*

6 inch display? Too small. It will be a tablet for me then. The Z3 TC or a Z5 TC is on my list of potential successors if they just introduce a 6 inch "Ultra".
I use my device for reading, browsing and so forth, which make 6 inch or smaller display inconvenient and a 10 inch tablet too big. Sweetspot is between 6.5-8 inches and devices smaller than 6.44 is not interesting at all, regardless of specifications due to a way too small display making the general use more uncomfortable (increased need for zooming and so on).

I agree. z3tc is definitely a good upgrade from z ultra and its true successor imo. there is no news of sony working on a new tc for 2h so its the best small tablet option. http://www.amazon.com/XPERIA-TABLET...=1437248308&sr=8-1&keywords=z3+tablet+compact

I'm all for phablets, but... 8in is too much even for me to be a phone that I can carry... 7in with no border would be ideal... Make a new ultra already sony...

Meh, I will always stick to at least 6 coll phones since the Z ultra and the only thing I care about is price and micro SD support.
If somone goes the route of samsung and starts to refuse microSD slots, **** them. Everything that is for the mainstream is for retards. Its nothing for a serious person .
The moment a serious Ubuntu phone comes, with decent specs, I would swtich immediately. I am through with these so called "mainstream" phones.

Z5 can't be the 820 if it's in September. Qualcomm roadmap says December for that chip's release.
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Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Letv is bringing this to the US. 6"3 device. High quality build. http://www.geekbuying.com/item/LeTV...beu5t9M_XE_RS1obaybyCOHzHtXbbY8_lkaAqYe8P8HAQ

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Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Letv is bringing this to the US. 6"3 device. High quality build. http://www.geekbuying.com/item/LeTV...beu5t9M_XE_RS1obaybyCOHzHtXbbY8_lkaAqYe8P8HAQ
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I was eyeing this since it was announced but I affraid it does not has the required US lte bands, especially T Mobile.

rockky said:
Makes no sense to put that kind of $ into a phone at 6"4. 6" is a proven seller.
(unfortunately).
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Who said do 6.4 again... ? Evolve and do 6.8 or 7.0...

wingzero said:
I was eyeing this since it was announced but I affraid it does not has the required US lte bands, especially T Mobile.
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Not to mention that it will have ZERO community support, ZERO customer support in case of faults.
I'm hoping and waiting with my finger crossed for September.
I just feel Sony will not disappoint this time.
If the real news is just the 4K screen, with SD810 etc etc, I'll just wait a little bit more until it gets in the hands of various sites/blogs, wait for their impressions.
When I bought the Ultra I went on and read every single hands on, review or article regarding it, and every single one, despite dragging it down on measures (too big to do this, to large to do that etc), every single one was impressed on how much a beast was this phone.
Now this is what I want for the next Ultra. To be a freaking Unicorn. I don't give a s#it if they sell one or one million, I'll be the first in line to get it. [emoji12]
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i hope sony waits for the SD820 in the next Zultra. i will not buy nothing with the SD810. Perhaps we have to wait to new phones with helios X20

Here's my Z5+ Concept
my specs for this concept
5.7" 4K 3840 x 2160 IPS Display
773 Ppi Pixel Density
Corning Gorilla Glass 4
21.5MP Rear Camera 1/2.3" G Lens Dual Tone LED Flash
Hybrid AF
Exmor RS™ Sensor For Image & Video
Full HD Video Recording 1080p + 4K
Front Camera 13MP Exmor RS HDR 1080p With Dual Tone LED Flash
Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 MSM8996
NFC
Dual Front-facing stereo Speakers
Bluetooth v4.1
nanoSIM
Adreno 530
6.1 mm
150 grams
4GB LPDDR4 RAM
Android v5.1.1 Lollipop
Internal 64/128 GB Storage
3600mAh Battery
Waterproof & Dust Tight (IP65/68)
Exposed microUSB port
Fingerprint Scanner + Heart Rate Sensor On The Power Button
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5.7... ? 3600mAh... ? Fail.

6 inches could be fine IF Sony introduce a Z5 Tablet Compact with similar features. I have tried to fit the Z3 TC in my pockets and it works well so a device that size is a working backup plan if it would turn out that the next "Ultra" is a degradation of screen estate.
The next Ultra should have minimum a 6.44 inch display or up to 7 inch in order to qualify as a proper successor. A smaller 6 incher would be too much of a step back since it would require a lot of extra zooming when reading.
It would be great if Sony would make a keyboard flip cover as well and also further development of stylus support where they got on the right track with the "graphite pen" capable Ultra screen.
If the increased size of the device can be used to facilitate proper cooling of a Snapdragon 810, it could be an OK choice but if it turns out that the heating issues from the Z3+ is there, then it would be a huge drawback from the Ultra, which haven't overheated a single time during those two years I had it.

wingzero said:
I was eyeing this since it was announced but I affraid it does not has the required US lte bands, especially T Mobile.
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Why do you think it won't support US LTE?
I'm pretty sure there will be a US variant on this flagship series.

[SPECS] OnePlus X Specifications

Hey all
The OnePlus X packs good specifications for its cost, with a wide feature set. Members are free to discuss the general specifications or design features of the OnePlus X. I'll kick off with the specs:good:
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Display - AMOLED, 5.0 inches, 1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm Snapdragon 801
CPU - Quad-core 2.3 GHz
GPU - Adreno 330
RAM - 3 GB
Memory - 16 GB, microSD
Camera - 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera - 8 MP
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0
Battery - 2525 mAh
Dimensions - 140 x 69 x 6.9 mm
Weight - 138 g
source: gsmarena

Do you think that devs will be to make it possible to record 4k videos since chipset supports it?
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That 140 height put it right between the M7 (137) and moto G3 (142).. so perfect. With an 801 & 3GB's? Give it to me.
*Sounds* like the sacrifice is the speakers, but I never use 'em anyway. What kind of sociopath walks around playing music off their speakers.

The only problem I have with the X is the internet storage (16GB) I know that there is a SD card slot but for the games I play 4-5 2GB games there is still a good portion of game data on phone even when moved to SD card, so unless they release a 32GB/64GB version I would buy it no bother but now not for me
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Those interested in the specs, may want to look at the anandtech report.
The first interesting detail is that the Qualcolmm 801 SoC revision is MSM8974AB (2.3GHz), which is slightly different from the one used in Oneplus one. One used MSM8974AC (2.45GHz). Does this matter a lot by itself? Probably not at all, as the real life performance will be dictated by the thermal throttling implementation on this phone.
Another interesting piece from Anandtech is that supposedly, the wifi radio is 2.4GHz only. Will I lose my sleep over that? Probably not.

One Plus X does not have wireless AC support, no NFC, small battery. I hope one plus X gives better backup as thats my biggest worry before I decide to buy.
this blog did an extensive FAQ which cleared all my doubts arounds specs and other questions I had around one plus x.
http://gadgetstouse.com/faq/oneplus-x-faq/40914
this might be useful for others who have some queries around one plus x.

Currently owning a Nexus 5, this seems only like a small step forward. Although giving up on NFC for example, I'm loving the addition of SD Card + a lovely design.

A note on screen size and capacitive buttons... if opting to use the capacitive buttons instead of soft, what does that give you as far as effective screen size? 5.2"?
Has anyone else packed that much real estate in a 140mm body?

Chronzy said:
That 140 height put it right between the M7 (137) and moto G3 (142).. so perfect. With an 801 & 3GB's? Give it to me.
*Sounds* like the sacrifice is the speakers, but I never use 'em anyway. What kind of sociopath walks around playing music off their speakers.
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Actually, there can be some legitimate uses for the speakers. With google apps and other apps, you can use a phone as a car GPS navigation device. However, experience shows that a lot of phone speakers are to weak for this duty, and in older cars you don't always have a properly working bluetooth sound system. Same problem happens when I try to listen to something like a talk show on TuneIn radio in a car with no bluetooth sound. A loud speaker can be a plus in this situation.

Chronzy said:
A note on screen size and capacitive buttons... if opting to use the capacitive buttons instead of soft, what does that give you as far as effective screen size? 5.2"?
Has anyone else packed that much real estate in a 140mm body?
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Huh? How can capacitive buttons add 0.2" to the screen size? It is what it is, a 5.0" diagonal.
And yes, LG fit a 5.2" display into the 138.5 x 70.9 mm chassis of the G2.

CafeKampuchia said:
Huh? How can capacitive buttons add 0.2" to the screen size? It is what it is, a 5.0" diagonal.
And yes, LG fit a 5.2" display into the 138.5 x 70.9 mm chassis of the G2.
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I knew someone would misunderstand that point. Congratulations genius, you're the guy.
EFFECTIVE screen size, as in what you gain from not having soft keys on the screen. I'd like to compare screen real estate between the 5x and the One X using capacitive. It seems they'd be about the same.

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EFFECTIVE screen size, as in what you gain from not having soft keys on the screen.
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Right. And on a 5.0" screen, this can be >5.0" because... ?

Akopps said:
Actually, there can be some legitimate uses for the speakers. With google apps and other apps, you can use a phone as a car GPS navigation device. However, experience shows that a lot of phone speakers are to weak for this duty, and in older cars you don't always have a properly working bluetooth sound system. Same problem happens when I try to listen to something like a talk show on TuneIn radio in a car with no bluetooth sound. A loud speaker can be a plus in this situation.
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I'd recommend headphones, especially if listening to a podcast or something.
But if you really need great speakers you might want to look at the M9... If you can live with sense that is.. great phone.
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Right. And on a 5.0" screen, this can be >5.0" because... ?
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Soft keys adjust the screen up, of course overall its still 5".. but without the soft keys you have more usable/viewable area on the screen.
What's so hard to understand here? Look at the back bar on the bottom of your screen and imagine it not being there. Yes? No? :silly:

I have just seen that there is no compass. I love the compass.
I was already annoyed by the lack of 5ghz wifi and NFC, but with this it could be a deal breaker... It is definitely not a flagship at a price of a mid-range and having a G2 I would give up a lot just for the design.

Chronzy said:
Soft keys adjust the screen up, of course overall its still 5".. but without the soft keys you have more usable/viewable area on the screen.
What's so hard to understand here? Look at the back bar on the bottom of your screen and imagine it not being there. Yes? No? :silly:
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I understand what you're saying and it's an interesting question. If I can disable the soft keys and use the hardware keys to get a bit more screen space then I'll do that.
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So who's got their invite already, and waiting for the buy now button to appear?

geko95gek said:
So who's got their invite already, and waiting for the buy now button to appear?
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<---:good:

Have anyone read anything about the ceramic version. I know its pretty scratchresistant but how shatterresistant can we expect it to be?

Chronzy said:
EFFECTIVE screen size, as in what you gain from not having soft keys on the screen. I'd like to compare screen real estate between the 5x and the One X using capacitive. It seems they'd be about the same.
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It's a valid point. Not using on-screen keys will make the screen seem taller. Screen size will obviously remain 5.0", not 5.2". Instead, using soft keys will make the screen seem 4.8" instead of 5.0". (Not saying that these are the actual screen measurements; just giving a comparative example.)
That being said, I wish the capacitive keys were backlit. I will probably stick to soft keys for that reason.
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gotham_girl said:
Screen size will obviously remain 5.0", not 5.2". Instead, using soft keys will make the screen seem 4.8" instead of 5.0".
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:good: