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Let me start by saying I have been nothing but excited for this product. I beelined to it at E3, pre-ordered it as soon as it was available and was waiting impatiently for it to arrive in the mail. However, the product when using the Google play store self lists itself as something akin to a Google TV. What this means is roughly 90% of the apps in the store are listed as not compatible. Including for example FX File Explorer Plus while FX File Explorer works the unlock app for pro mode does not.
I have a Minix Neo X5 which does not have a touch screen and works with the Google play store without any trouble right out of the box. I can only surmise that this means for an an App to function on this device it needs to specifically have listed itself as a Google TV compatible app not just as functional without a touch screen. A much smaller cross section of devices out there.
I can understand that the Minix is a Chinese product while the Mojo is American and as such might have had more stringent requirements when trying to get Google certification to have the Google apps. However the fact that Mad Catz did not make this situation more publicly known, reach out to developers beforehand about this issue so that some of them might be able to add the allowance in their apps, include an otg port for usb debugging or even have a built in option to root the device.
So for the time being I will have to continue using my much less powerful but immensly more useable Minix device until I can get a normal device access to the Play Store. Likely via something like market helper post root. Unless Mad Catz is able to solve this problem through an update.
I'll post more updates on my thoughts of the specifics of the device as I have them.
Yes, the reason for what you're seeing is that the Play Store assumes by default that an app requires a touchscreen, unless otherwise stipulated in the manifest for the app. Being a fully certified, officially Google-approved device we have to correctly declare the features that we have in the box - something many unofficial products don't do.
We are and have been reaching out to many developers, along with Google and Nvidia for this very reason and you will see more and more apps coming/being updated that work fine on a box like M.O.J.O..
Run the M.O.J.O. icon on your homescreen or visit mojo,madcatz.com and part of our setup directions on there detail sites where you can obtain free apps that otherwise don't appear/aren't compatible on M.O.J.O.'s Play Store.
Thank you for the prompt reply. I'll look further into the details inside of the MOJO app tonight. I'm still very excited about this product but seeing nearly every app I own be placed under incompatible took me by suprise.
I've been using the mojo for a couple of days and here are my thoughts so far:
My Setup:
• Vizio 50 inch tv
• Measy RC11 air mouse
• Powered USB Hub
• Audix Powered Speakers
• Ethernet Port for internet
Competitor I'm Comparing it to is The Minix Neo X5
• Minix has an unfair advantage of not having to worry about Google Cert but still exists as a product that can be bought
▐ and used in much the same way
• I did not buy a Minix Neo X7 specifically because I was waiting for the Mojo which is much much more powerful
General thoughts so far:
• Was worried that I'd have to continue using the much less powerful Minix Neo X5 as my media center setup for awhile.
▐ But after getting my apps installed and everything setup The Mojo is working great. Very happy with the hardware.
▐ There are a few kinks though that I describe further down.
Android Devices I own for experience comparison
• Xperia Play(CM 10.1)
• Nexus 7(2012)
• Nexus 4
• Nexus 5
• Minix Neo X5
Hardware:
■ The Box:
• The startup time on this thing is kind of amazing, much faster then any of my other android devices at around 15 seconds.
▐ The Minix Neo x5 can take up to around 1-2 minutes sometimes 3.
• Super powerful, OS is extremely responsive
• Runs pretty cool
■ The Controller:
• Media buttons work great and as expected
• The mode switching is awesome. The position of the switch is a bit awkward considering how much it needs to get used.
▐ A little worried about wear and tear harming it. It gets used a lot.
• Dpad is nice and clicky
• Dpad and analog triggers recognize in nearly everything I've used so far. Can't say the same for the
▐ Xbox 360 wired or wireless.
• Not using wireless xbox controller at all completely switched
System Software: Issues
■ The bottom screen menu button bar: ▬ Fix with either root app or system update
• Can't user hide it so that's kind of annoying. On the Minix Neo X5 you can hide the soft key bar at any time for a more tv like
▐ experience. Some apps do this automatically but it would be nice to be able to hide it anytime so there isn't this giant
▐ black bar with buttons taking up a chunk of the screen
• Needs a restart shut down option. Don't like having to unplug the device to turn it off.
■ General OS: ▬ Fix with System Update
• It can't currently access more then one USB HD/Stick at once and it has trouble with USB 3.0 HDs. It picks ups that a USB
▐ 3.0 HD is plugged in but it doesn't appear user accesable. Tested same HDs that worked with Minix Neo X5.
• Audio input and output option. I have a pair of wireless usb gaming headphones that plug in through USB that I have used
▐ extensively on the Minix Neo X5. The Mojo recognizes them however since I can't choose an audio output/input they
▐ don't work.
▐ Volume and buttons work as expected.
Apps I'm using That work great no problems whatsover
• Google play music
• GMail
• FX File explorer with Plus addon to access cloud services
• Holo Launcher Pro
• Wallpaper Changer ▬ Like having my wallpaper change every few minutes
• Youtube ▬ Normal version not TV pre-installed once
• Robert Broglia Apps
• Facebook
• Facebook Messenger
• Pocketcasts
• Crazy Taxi
• Virtua Tennis ▬ Crashed during a game but was working solid otherwise
• GReader Pro
■ Apps that have problems:
• Chrome: doesn't work. Crashes on startup. Built in browser works fine but its annoying.
• Hangouts: requires update to google services. Google services won't update. Talk works fine.
• MX Player: generally works perfect but a few videos I've tried that work on the Minix Neo X5 either play perfect with no audio or
▐ play for a second then freeze
• Jet Set Radio: crashes on start of gameplay. So sad, but it supposedly is very crashy in general. Runs fine on my Nexus 7 but it
▐ would be nice to play on the TV without having to startup my pc and steam.
So far ive been using aptoide its been easier than side loading apps. Even has updates for hangouts might need to add some stores.
Thanks for the info I'll check it out.
Mad Catz Rich said:
Yes, the reason for what you're seeing is that the Play Store assumes by default that an app requires a touchscreen, unless otherwise stipulated in the manifest for the app. Being a fully certified, officially Google-approved device we have to correctly declare the features that we have in the box - something many unofficial products don't do.
We are and have been reaching out to many developers, along with Google and Nvidia for this very reason and you will see more and more apps coming/being updated that work fine on a box like M.O.J.O..
Run the M.O.J.O. icon on your homescreen or visit mojo,madcatz.com and part of our setup directions on there detail sites where you can obtain free apps that otherwise don't appear/aren't compatible on M.O.J.O.'s Play Store.
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While I agree about that 'being certified and official' part, you could have added an option in the developers options to solve this 'limited play store' issue. It's very simple to do and has been done by other official/certified devices like the SFR Android TV set top box for instance:
see : (put h t t p : / / before ) images.frandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/box-tv-sfr-android-play-store-etendu-1000x664.jpg
it's in french because SFR is a french ISP . The option translates roughly to:
"Display more applications in the Google Play Store"
Also propose the applications that require a touchscreen
pretty simple and effective. It's in the 'by defaut hidden' developer options so it's fine for Google certification (the SFR STB is fully certified).
While you're at it, you could learn a few more tricks more this cheap STB. Google 'frandroid sfr box tv' to find the article, i can't post links here yet.
They developed the box in 6 months only with LG doing the hardware part.
While it's not a game console it packs some nice features the MOJO lacks and its software is way more polished:
- an HDMI input port to allow 'picture in picture' and live TV background (like other Google TV devices do and the XBox One does too).
- a touchpad/keyboard remote control with a push-to-talk microphone in it (Android has a lot of voice recognition features).
- an integrated DVB-T decoder for live TV
- its USB port is compatible with webcams (UVC) so it can do video chat with Google Hangouts and Skype.
and it only costs around $150, actually it's not for sale, only SFR subscribers can rent it (roughly $4 a month).
The only good thing about the MOJO is the Tegra 4 SoC, everything else is rushed and unfinished. That's what disappoints a lot of people.
While it's too late for hardware changes (except may be an optional remote controller with a mic) you really need to fix the software asap.
This device is sold at premium price and marketed as such but it just feel as 'yet another chinese Android HDMI stick/box' and behind the curtain, it seems to be the case: in the Play Store the MOJO is shown as "Foxconn International Holdings Limited Mad Catz M.O.J.O." ... it's funny, amateurish, explains a lot of things and really prove it was rushed.
kgersen said:
While I agree about that 'being certified and official' part, you could have added an option in the developers options to solve this 'limited play store' issue. It's very simple to do and has been done by other official/certified devices like the SFR Android TV set top box for instance:
see : (put h t t p : / / before ) images.frandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/box-tv-sfr-android-play-store-etendu-1000x664.jpg
it's in french because SFR is a french ISP . The option translates roughly to:
"Display more applications in the Google Play Store"
Also propose the applications that require a touchscreen
pretty simple and effective. It's in the 'by defaut hidden' developer options so it's fine for Google certification (the SFR STB is fully certified).
While you're at it, you could learn a few more tricks more this cheap STB. Google 'frandroid sfr box tv' to find the article, i can't post links here yet.
They developed the box in 6 months only with LG doing the hardware part.
While it's not a game console it packs some nice features the MOJO lacks and its software is way more polished:
- an HDMI input port to allow 'picture in picture' and live TV background (like other Google TV devices do and the XBox One does too).
- a touchpad/keyboard remote control with a push-to-talk microphone in it (Android has a lot of voice recognition features).
- an integrated DVB-T decoder for live TV
- its USB port is compatible with webcams (UVC) so it can do video chat with Google Hangouts and Skype.
and it only costs around $150, actually it's not for sale, only SFR subscribers can rent it (roughly $4 a month).
The only good thing about the MOJO is the Tegra 4 SoC, everything else is rushed and unfinished. That's what disappoints a lot of people.
While it's too late for hardware changes (except may be an optional remote controller with a mic) you really need to fix the software asap.
This device is sold at premium price and marketed as such but it just feel as 'yet another chinese Android HDMI stick/box' and behind the curtain, it seems to be the case: in the Play Store the MOJO is shown as "Foxconn International Holdings Limited Mad Catz M.O.J.O." ... it's funny, amateurish, explains a lot of things and really prove it was rushed.
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This. I was hoping Mad Catz would step up and get it right, but no dice. This spot is just waiting for the taking.
QUOTE=kgersen;49143249]While I agree about that 'being certified and official' part, you could have added an option in the developers options to solve this 'limited play store' issue. It's very simple to do and has been done by other official/certified devices like the SFR Android TV set top box for instance:
see : (put h t t p : / / before ) images.frandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/box-tv-sfr-android-play-store-etendu-1000x664.jpg
it's in french because SFR is a french ISP . The option translates roughly to:
"Display more applications in the Google Play Store"
Also propose the applications that require a touchscreen
pretty simple and effective. It's in the 'by defaut hidden' developer options so it's fine for Google certification (the SFR STB is fully certified).
While you're at it, you could learn a few more tricks more this cheap STB. Google 'frandroid sfr box tv' to find the article, i can't post links here yet.
They developed the box in 6 months only with LG doing the hardware part.
While it's not a game console it packs some nice features the MOJO lacks and its software is way more polished:
- an HDMI input port to allow 'picture in picture' and live TV background (like other Google TV devices do and the XBox One does too).
- a touchpad/keyboard remote control with a push-to-talk microphone in it (Android has a lot of voice recognition features).
- an integrated DVB-T decoder for live TV
- its USB port is compatible with webcams (UVC) so it can do video chat with Google Hangouts and Skype.
and it only costs around $150, actually it's not for sale, only SFR subscribers can rent it (roughly $4 a month).
The only good thing about the MOJO is the Tegra 4 SoC, everything else is rushed and unfinished. That's what disappoints a lot of people.
While it's too late for hardware changes (except may be an optional remote controller with a mic) you really need to fix the software asap.
This device is sold at premium price and marketed as such but it just feel as 'yet another chinese Android HDMI stick/box' and behind the curtain, it seems to be the case: in the Play Store the MOJO is shown as "Foxconn International Holdings Limited Mad Catz M.O.J.O." ... it's funny, amateurish, explains a lot of things and really prove it was rushed.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Unfortunately, I will have to pass. The broken software makes makes this this a glorified media player and I cannot justify the cost for a glorified media player. The only thing it has going for it in my opinion is the controller.
I was willing to overlook the Tera GPU's lack of OpenGL ES3.0 because of the Tegra game optimizations and exclusive exclusive games. But since there is no guarantee that the software will get fixed (they are working on KitKat upgrade but other than the bluetooth support we have no idea if that will fix anything like hard drive format support, google play support, etc.)
If the upgrade comes out soon I might get it. Might. If it takes too long, well, the SoC's in the mobile space are improving too quickly to make it worth it unless it drops in price. Each generation performance basically doubles either in CPU, GPU, or both. This half of the year they expect the new Tegra with much improved GPU and a big CPU speed bump.
Yes, there is always something new around the corner but standards last for a while. H.264 has been around for many years (though it has improved in capabilities most of it has been more or less stable the last few years). The new processors from Qualcomm this year are said to have H.265 hardware decoding and the new Denver Tegra is supposed to be able to decode it too (a mix of CPU and GPU decoding, so who knows what res/profiles it will manage, but at least it should be more flexible). And like I said, the Tegra GPU is currently one standard behind since it only supports OpenGL ES2.0, the bare minimum for Android right now.
If I am going to wait six months for the MOJO to be functional software-wise, then I might as well wait to see what hardware comes around. For all I know, by the time the MOJO works for more than video playback and the occasional sideloaded game, there might be a MOGA with BT4.0 support and a set-top box with better hardware (and true Play store support).
I might check back in every once in a while to see if there has been any progress, but for now... I'm out. Good luck everybody, I hope the MOJO works for you like you need it to. :fingers-crossed:
Hi all
I just wanted to let you know that you can play all the Ouya games on your MOJO :laugh:
Every Ouya game seems to work very well or even better than on the Ouya. If you use the CTRL, some buttons seem to be mapped wrong, but this is not a big problem, most of the games can be played. If you own an Ouya, then you can even use the Ouya controller on the mojo, where you do not have wrong mapped buttons.
The only issue is that you can't buy the full version of the games. But most of those games are free anyway. And all of the games are free to try. This way, you can play 500+ great games on the MOJO :good:
Visit the following link, where you can download APK's of all Ouya games, then sideload them to your Mojo:
ouyalytics.com
At the moment, my favorite game to play on the MOJO is the following:
ouyalytics.com/app/589-Killing-Floor:-Calamity
Have fun! May the MOJO force be with you
EDIT:
I didn't test enough games last time and it seems I had a few lucky punches in the first place. After a few more tests my opinion is this:
1. Not every game works with the Ouya controller
2. Only about 10% of the games work with the CTRLR controller
3. Every game runs on the MOJO without crashing
http://ouyalytics.com/app/589-Killing-Floor:-Calamity/
Wow amazing!
I'll be checking that out for sure!
I'm sure the ouya launcher can be installed, letting you also pay for games.
The irony is really funny
Thanks for letting us know!
You are welcome
I actually did try the ouya launcher, but it didn't work. It crashes when starting.
I tested a few more games and for now it seems like about 30% of the ouya games work with the CTRL Controller. Maybe we can share experiences which games work with the MOJO controller? Let me start:
Killing Floor: Calamity - works like a charm, but L2 and R2 are flipped and also DPad up and down are flipped
KNIGHTMARE TOWER - works like a charm, no issues
CANABALT HD - works like a charm
Another remark:
The Android internet browser seems to crash if you are on the overview (or search-) page at ouyalytics. So what I do is to search on google for a particular game like this:
ouyalytics killing floor
Then you can pick the first link google offers, where you land on the page to download the game.
mjenny82 said:
Another remark:
The Android internet browser seems to crash if you are on the overview (or search-) page at ouyalytics. So what I do is to search on google for a particular game like this:
ouyalytics killing floor
Then you can pick the first link google offers, where you land on the page to download the game.
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Thanks again for the ouya tip!
I found it so easy to install emulators from:
http://dayoftheouya.com/a-list-of-all-known-emulators-for-ouya/
Which all support controllers and doesn't require switching to mouse mode, the UI is controller friendly
I installed these:
N64: Mupen64Plus AE
I start with the OUYA layout and change the D-pad and Z trigger button.
Easy to map controls, works well.
Roms must be .z64
Configure the graphics plug-in using the 10th Anniversary option, works the best.
Actually plays better then I expected! most work fine including FPS, I noticed driving games not that good.
SNES: Snes9xPlus
Works well, create a new profile and set the CTRLR.
Roms must be .smc
If you don't know which to get, I can recommend the .emu ones, easy to setup.
NES: NES.emu
Sega MegaDrive/Genius: MD.emu
Or just install this (haven't had time to try it):
http://dayoftheouya.com/ouya/retroarch
Includes most Sega/Nintendo consoles, Doom/Quake & PSX
Setting up the emulators,I recommend connecting at least a mouse to configure the controller.
All 8/16bit games I've tested run at speed, I haven't tried PSX yet.
When I get time, i'll make a vide and show it off.
gwaldo said:
If you don't know which to get, I can recommend the .emu ones, easy to setup.
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I can confirm NES.emu, SuperGNES, GBC.emu, GBA.emu, DraStic, FPSE, NEO.emu, MD.emu, PCE.emu, SAT.emu, PPSSPP, and SuperN64 (A branch of Mupen64).
All work flawlessly except PPSSPP (doesn't support the D-PAD at the moment, and sound is laggy). Also, DraStic is really wonky because it models the DS touchscreen....Works with a mouse, but that feels strange to use the controller and a mouse....Then again, it's sort of like using a Wii. Heh..
There is an app market which contains only free and open source apps and games. I found it pretty useful for the MOJO. There you can also find all the emulators and every app/game you downloaded will be updated automatically
Here it is:
f-droid (dot) org
F-droid running great!
Retro arch running great but I can't figure out how to map the controller?
Mojorising said:
F-droid running great!
Retro arch running great but I can't figure out how to map the controller?
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To map retroarch controller,
So if you click the bug guy, settings, input device, and switch to ouya, the cntrl works perfect with all rom games.
Start button does not work on some roms and the mouse mode is required to push start.
Mojo is not listed in the list of devices.
Madcatz USB PC was listed. Haven't tried it yet.
Mojorising said:
To map retroarch controller,
So if you click the bug guy, settings, input device, and switch to ouya, the cntrl works perfect with all rom games.
Start button does not work on some roms and the mouse mode is required to push start.
Mojo is not listed in the list of devices.
Madcatz USB PC was listed. Haven't tried it yet.
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yeah i gave up on retro arch because of the controller mapping... Didn't like it.
I use the .emu emulators start with the ouya config and check all the buttons, some need fixing but its very quick and easy.
gwaldo said:
yeah i gave up on retro arch because of the controller mapping... Didn't like it.
I use the .emu emulators start with the ouya config and check all the buttons, some need fixing but its very quick and easy.
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I'm going to send retro arch programmer the mojo button coordinates so that he can add mojo to the list of devices.
they also need to add a "save input device" feature, otherwise you have to change the input device for every game.
Mojorising said:
I'm going to send retro arch programmer the mojo button coordinates so that he can add mojo to the list of devices.
they also need to add a "save input device" feature, otherwise you have to change the input device for every game.
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That's true and it's mapping setting isn't that great, but yeah good idea, they'll need the hex code for each button, which is here:
http://www.madcatz.com/products/gamesmart/hdk/
This PDF:
http://www.madcatz.com/products/gamesmart/hdk/docs/2013_12_05_CTRLR_MOJO_Info_v1_6.pdf
:highfive:
Mojorising said:
I'm going to send retro arch programmer the mojo button coordinates so that he can add mojo to the list of devices.
they also need to add a "save input device" feature, otherwise you have to change the input device for every game.
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Is this all so that the Ouya version of Retroarch will work?
Why not just keep it simply and use the android only version?
Is there a benefit in using Ouya version over the one I mentioned?
Is this all so that the Ouya version of Retroarch will work?
yes, that's the one I've installed.
Why not just keep it simply and use the android only version?
Is there a benefit in using Ouya version over the one I mentioned?
It's UI is controller friendly, where as the android version is for touch devices I guess... but I'll try the android version also
gwaldo said:
Is this all so that the Ouya version of Retroarch will work?
yes, that's the one I've installed.
Why not just keep it simply and use the android only version?
Is there a benefit in using Ouya version over the one I mentioned?
It's UI is controller friendly, where as the android version is for touch devices I guess... but I'll try the android version also
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The reason I mentioned the android version is that's what a mod suggested over at the official forum. Yet, he isn't familiar with this device and I'm not sure if the touch device limitation will affect that port. It shouldn't.
That said, should I be worried about the lack of touch screen insofar as the emulators are concerned? I mean, I should still be able to use FPse or other similar emulators like N64 AE, just map it to the controller or use PS3 controller if nothing else, right? Curious to know if this is the achille heel of this console.
Honestly, I'm pretty happy with it....After all the troubles I've had, I still play on it daily. I have all my console games on it and all apps properly map the MOJO. I've gotta wait to root mine until I get the proper cable, but I'll probably switch to using a mouse and the PS3 controller.
I use all the emulators. They all are fine without touchscreen. Mouse mode on the controller works just fine to navigate menus. Don't worry about that aspect.
The only flaw I'm seeing so far is that there are so few people who actually bought one...Which means there won't be many devs to adopt the system and create custom ROMs or OC kernels. I always seem to get in on those things that few people actually use...The A700 tablet, for instance...Or the Asus Slider SL101...Yeah...Bad choices when it comes to customization (when you don't know how to do it yourself, I mean.)
I'd love to work on a ROM, but I have neither the time or the knowledge to do so.
Okay, I thought of another flaw (which has apparently been fixed through root): Lack of accessibility to previously purchased apps and games for the MOJO. At least the OUYA has their own market and made no claims that you could access what you've already bought (which MadCatz did). That's a bad thing...Very...Very...Bad.
Shadow Light - The Power of the Dark
Try Shadow Light - The Power of the Dark
It's a free platformer and works on MOJO
The video framerate's just slow, it's 60 FPS on MOJO in 1080p
Website: http://cone.host22.com/
I get why we've ended up with this issue of so many games and apps not being compatible, but is getting the manifests updated really the ONLY way to solve this?
There are plenty of other devices - android sticks in particular - which don't have touch screens either, and yet they have access to far more games and apps on Google Play. I assume they're claiming they do actually have a touchscreen.
Is there a simple way to tell if they are doing this? Is there really a good reason why we can't just have a software update for the MOJO so that it does then look to the Google Play store as if it has a touch screen? That would really solve this problem instantly.
woozle said:
I get why we've ended up with this issue of so many games and apps not being compatible, but is getting the manifests updated really the ONLY way to solve this?
There are plenty of other devices - android sticks in particular - which don't have touch screens either, and yet they have access to far more games and apps on Google Play. I assume they're claiming they do actually have a touchscreen.
Is there a simple way to tell if they are doing this? Is there really a good reason why we can't just have a software update for the MOJO so that it does then look to the Google Play store as if it has a touch screen? That would really solve this problem instantly.
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Mad Catz have to work on it really fast or the mojo gonna go into a trash !!!!!
yes they are a lot a very lot of game that are not compatible and the only way to make it work is to use tincore keymapper but the app require root !!!
i love this device but i'm really disgusting of the mad catz work
Or they could just release a way to root the mojo, which will allow us to apply a 30 seconds fix and then install anything directly from the play store (and hide those damn navigation buttons)
I still have 3 days before my return period expires and I'm strongly tempted to do it.
paulatz said:
Or they could just release a way to root the mojo, which will allow us to apply a 30 seconds fix and then install anything directly from the play store (and hide those damn navigation buttons)
I still have 3 days before my return period expires and I'm strongly tempted to do it.
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Yes root is the solution for everything on this thing
Is a MCZ staff member who know how to root it ???
Dead-neM said:
Yes root is the solution for everything on this thing
Is a MCZ staff member who know how to root it ???
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It might be AN answer, but it's not the answer. I don't want to root my device, thanks, and I shouldn't have to.
If we get root, we can fix all the issues in minutes. Seriously, that's the only thing holding the MOJO back from being perfect for me. If I had root, I would fake my device, download all the apps I've spent hundreds on, use tincore, and just have fun playing....Like I thought I would be able to do out of the box.
However, if I wasn't knowledgeable about root or familiar with Android....I would have already returned the system as broken. I still have until Tuesday, next week, to make that decision.
Best course of action for MadCatz is to ship these pre-rooted and have a HUGE update and make HUGE announcements and do some HUGE advertising.....Otherwise, I'm really afraid the MOJO will flop in a HUGE way.
Lets just pretend we're all the BETA testers.....Real release to general public hasn't happened yet.
That sort of makes me feel good, but I still think everyone with a current firmware edition MOJO should get a Google Giftcard for all the stress and trouble we've had.....as BETA testers. HA!
ExtremeRyno said:
Best course of action for MadCatz is to ship these pre-rooted and have a HUGE update and make HUGE announcements and do some HUGE advertising.....Otherwise, I'm really afraid the MOJO will flop in a HUGE way.
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Right... name a company that sells android products rooted? As in a 'proper' company.
There's a reason why they don't, and fixing this shouldn't take root. If you want root, fine, but that's a different point.
I'd still like someone to answer my question about why other similar devices DON'T have the touchscreen issue.
woozle said:
Right... name a company that sells android products rooted? As in a 'proper' company.
There's a reason why they don't, and fixing this shouldn't take root. If you want root, fine, but that's a different point.
I'd still like someone to answer my question about why other similar devices DON'T have the touchscreen issue.
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In fact it's explain by Mad Catz that the most of app have a line code who look like that "device.have.touchscreen=True"
And inside mojo there is nothing tell the google play or app that the device have a screen so you can't see them
The other device (tv box, chinese thing) probably fake a hd screen into the system
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Right... name a company that sells android products rooted? As in a 'proper' company.
There's a reason why they don't, and fixing this shouldn't take root. If you want root, fine, but that's a different point.
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No, I get what you're saying...The MOJO should just WORK the way it was advertised. Fixing it shouldn't take root, you are 110% correct.
However, I believe one of the selling points of the MOJO was that it is supposed to be (as implied by MadCatz on various occasions) unlocked, open, and hackable.
As for the touchscreen issue, MadCatz has stated something along the lines of releasing all their specs to Google so the MOJO is a Google Certified device, or some such, which I assume includes that the MOJO doesn't have a screen. Plus, what Dead-neM mentioned.
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No, I get what you're saying...The MOJO should just WORK the way it was advertised. Fixing it shouldn't take root, you are 110% correct.
However, I believe one of the selling points of the MOJO was that it is supposed to be (as implied by MadCatz on various occasions) unlocked, open, and hackable.
As for the touchscreen issue, MadCatz has stated something along the lines of releasing all their specs to Google so the MOJO is a Google Certified device, or some such, which I assume includes that the MOJO doesn't have a screen. Plus, what Dead-neM mentioned.
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Yes, and I already said that in my original post. And my point was why can't Madcatz do that too? There are plenty of Google certified devices that don't have this problem, so I assume Madcatz haven't tried.
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Yes, and I already said that in my original post. And my point was why can't Madcatz do that too? There are plenty of Google certified devices that don't have this problem, so I assume Madcatz haven't tried.
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Yep it's look like they made a noob style console
I just noticed that not even the games in the tegra store, which are explicitly marked as "controller" are not installable. seriously, this is a scam pure and simple. you cannot commercialise something as having access to the entire play store, and then it only support 5 apps out of several millions. even my old Nokia has more games than that s supposed console.
release an official root NOW and it may be saved, still overpriced for an unfinished piece of cheap crap, but at least working. at th moment it's just a glorified dolphin browser set-top box
To do things officially and properly we have to run M.O.J.O. through Google's certification processes, which means we can't claim we have a touchscreen in order to get around the content filtering on the Play store - the CTS test procedure will include tests for every hardware feature you declare and include actual tests for each component. If we declare we have a touchscreen then it will attempt to display an image on said touchscreen and expect some human interaction to confirm it's working. Clearly that will fail at that point and things could go no further.
There are plenty of the controller enabled games in Tegrazone that work fine (and more besides - check the list of games on mojo.madcatz.com). Of those that aren't, both Nvidia and Google are working with developers to change things on top of the efforts that we've been making. Seriously, you will see more and more titles being updated to include support over the coming weeks and months, plus other updates from us that I can't reveal right now.
In the meantime, if you see an app that you think you want on M.O.J.O. then tell the developer and us - we have an email address for this very purpose and it's in the manual - gamesupportrequest[at]madcatz[dot]com.
This is a new category of Android product and support for it is only going to increase this year so keep watching and we'll make sure we keep you all updated with anything new that occurs.
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To do things officially and properly we have to run M.O.J.O. through Google's certification processes, which means we can't claim we have a touchscreen in order to get around the content filtering on the Play store - the CTS test procedure will include tests for every hardware feature you declare and include actual tests for each component. If we declare we have a touchscreen then it will attempt to display an image on said touchscreen and expect some human interaction to confirm it's working. Clearly that will fail at that point and things could go no further.
There are plenty of the controller enabled games in Tegrazone that work fine (and more besides - check the list of games on mojo.madcatz.com). Of those that aren't, both Nvidia and Google are working with developers to change things on top of the efforts that we've been making. Seriously, you will see more and more titles being updated to include support over the coming weeks and months, plus other updates from us that I can't reveal right now.
In the meantime, if you see an app that you think you want on M.O.J.O. then tell the developer and us - we have an email address for this very purpose and it's in the manual - gamesupportrequest[at]madcatz[dot]com.
This is a new category of Android product and support for it is only going to increase this year so keep watching and we'll make sure we keep you all updated with anything new that occurs.
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Ok if you go into this way i think you will got into the wall !! I'm sorry to say that but nobody is happy by the mojo on this forum list of app that are compatible is ridiculus!; come on guys listen to us
Make a tool to root the mojo or a big update in the month and let the fan service do their job until you see your mistake !! dam
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To do things officially and properly we have to run M.O.J.O. through Google's certification processes, which means we can't claim we have a touchscreen in order to get around the content filtering on the Play store - the CTS test procedure will include tests for every hardware feature you declare and include actual tests for each component. If we declare we have a touchscreen then it will attempt to display an image on said touchscreen and expect some human interaction to confirm it's working. Clearly that will fail at that point and things could go no further.
In the meantime, if you see an app that you think you want on M.O.J.O. then tell the developer and us - we have an email address for this very purpose and it's in the manual - gamesupportrequest[at]madcatz[dot]com.
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And you couldn't respond to that test with mouse input or the controller then? isn't that the point? surely the other methods of input are meant to cover this. You say this yourself in all your marketing blurb - you specifically use the example of Angry Birds and say the controller achieves this.
As for what apps - ok, all of them then? seriously, as the other guys have said, that's not workable. I won't know what app I want until I've tried it. That's HOW this works. Some people not even have other devices - weird as that might sound - and if they can't use an app on MOJO they won't.
The product is OUT now. I just saw it on the shelf in Selfridges. People aren't going to expect to have to wait weeks or months to use apps that they can already use on all their other android devices. Seriously, I've held back so far but I AM hugely disappointed that this is in such a bad state. I've sideloaded some apps, but there are just so many - all the protected apps, and I've bought loads of them on my other devices - that I just can't do that with.
I've used AppMonster to rip a large number of protected apps to sideload to the MOJO. It's inconvenient, but it works. Most of them give me an initial "License Check Failed" the first time I load. I open Google Play, and that clears up.....most of the time. The apps I was unable to get to pass the license check, even after loading up the Play store, I was able to use by selecting the app from "My Apps" and using the "OPEN" button within the Play app. That's the only way I can get PPSSPP and FPSE to properly run.
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I've used AppMonster to rip a large number of protected apps to sideload to the MOJO. It's inconvenient, but it works. Most of them give me an initial "License Check Failed" the first time I load. I open Google Play, and that clears up.....most of the time. The apps I was unable to get to pass the license check, even after loading up the Play store, I was able to use by selecting the app from "My Apps" and using the "OPEN" button within the Play app. That's the only way I can get PPSSPP and FPSE to properly run.
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But FPSE is available on Google Play for the MOJO, and loads without issues, so I'm not sure what you mean...
With FPSE, I kept getting license errors (and yes, I downloaded directly from Play to the MOJO) but had to open through the Google Play store. Other apps, such as Horn and Paper Monsters which I sideloaded required opening the Play store before I was able to use the games.
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With FPSE, I kept getting license errors (and yes, I downloaded directly from Play to the MOJO) but had to open through the Google Play store. Other apps, such as Horn and Paper Monsters which I sideloaded required opening the Play store before I was able to use the games.
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Hm, and there is actually some quirk with Google Play anyway - Riptide 2 refuses to do cloudsaving, insists it needs an update to Google Play Services. Indeed, the version of Google Play Services on there is far from the latest, but I don't know how to force it to update - a number of the Google Play components are older... none of which is likely to be helping.
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Hm, and there is actually some quirk with Google Play anyway - Riptide 2 refuses to do cloudsaving, insists it needs an update to Google Play Services. Indeed, the version of Google Play Services on there is far from the latest, but I don't know how to force it to update - a number of the Google Play components are older... none of which is likely to be helping.
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Hi yes the reason is the google play services said is the latedt version but is not search on xda for the real latest
Hello guys
EDIT: I have to mention that for some reason it seems Amazon has managed to bypass whatever cleverness Genesis Addon uses to give access to all the movies you want to see... so for people wanting to use FireTV as an XBMC box to watch movies (illegally) you will have big challenges. They have locked it down... so you'd have to try use proxy servers, virtual networks etc to get around that... but it is nowhere near as easy to use as a good Android TV box like the Tronsmart s89.
Having used it for about two hours, I've concluded the device is great if all you want to do is to watch Amazon prime video or netflix... but to run most other android apps, it is simply an awful experience. , these are a few of my least favourite things:
1/ Apps you sideload are not visible on the home screen. It takes you 19 (NINETEEN!!!) clicks to get from HOME to the list of apps you can "manage". From there you click more to scroll down to your app of choice and click to select it then click to load it.
2/ you cannot use the remote for inputting text via voice within an app, so in XBMC if you want to enter "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", you cannot do a voice search, so all input is very clunky.
3/ if you use a usb wireless keyboard/trackpad like the Logitech k400r (superb on an android box) you are limited to what keyboard commands the amazon stranglehold will allow
4/ xbmc is not listed as a recent app. If you press HOME by mistake, it is approximately 35 (THIRTY FIVE) clicks to get back to xbmc (more if you have sideloaded more than 13 apps... which makes me hesitant to sideload any more!) Alt-TAB works on the wireless keyboard to get back to the last app, but XBMC is not listed there - as it is on generic android tv boxes.
5/ on spotify, you cannot use just the remote, pressing Down does not take you to the next song, left and right do not navigate menus etc... so you have to use another device... the Logitech k400r is great, but again, you cannot do everything with that even... down arrow does not move to next songs, there are no keyboard shortcuts to move to the next song etc.
6/ TennisTV android app does not work at all... works on all my android phones, devices, tablets. This seems to be a common theme, extremely poor app support.
7/ apps added to your apps on Amazon.co.uk online do not (mostly) show up on your device after you have "synced amazon content" . Looking for apps on the device in the amazon store is a mystery, voice search does not work... so is one expected to BROWSE the whole library with the remote to find apps you want? Wow.
7/ Go online to get apps for Fire TV and Amazon says: no TED no IMDB no Wikipedia no ES File explorer no Facebook no Ebay no Google apps of any kind, no Dolphin or Chrome, no Box, no Dropbox, no Evernote no BBC Sport, no TVCatchup... the list goes on and on... pretty dismal IMO.
There is probably a LOT more, but Amazon have successfully strangled and suffocated a very nice bit of hardware. The interface is good, the fluidity is excellent... and for xbmc it is great but also censored by Amazon... but if you are used to a generic android tv box like the tronsmart vega s89, the FireTV does not come close, because what you can do with it is extremely limited. The cheap chinese android tv boxes in my lounge and bedroom are going to stay put, I cannot live with this FireTV. Buy this unit if you want a very good Amazon Prime Video / netflix box for £80... but if you want more than that, stay away.
Mark.
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Hello guys
Having used it for about two hours, I've concluded the device is great as an XBMC-only box an/or if you watch Amazon prime video or netflix... but to run most other android apps, it is simply an awful experience. , these are a few of my least favourite things:
1/ Apps you sideload are not visible on the home screen. It takes you 19 (NINETEEN!!!) clicks to get from HOME to the list of apps you can "manage". From there you click more to scroll down to your app of choice and click to select it then click to load it.
2/ you cannot use the remote for inputting text via voice within an app, so in XBMC if you want to enter "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", you cannot do a voice search, so all input is very clunky.
3/ if you use a usb wireless keyboard/trackpad like the Logitech k400r (superb on an android box) you are limited to what keyboard commands the amazon stranglehold will allow
4/ xbmc is not listed as a recent app. If you press HOME by mistake, it is approximately 35 (THIRTY FIVE) clicks to get back to xbmc (more if you have sideloaded more than 13 apps... which makes me hesitant to sideload any more!) Alt-TAB works on the wireless keyboard to get back to the last app, but XBMC is not listed there - as it is on generic android tv boxes.
5/ on spotify, you cannot use just the remote, pressing Down does not take you to the next song, left and right do not navigate menus etc... so you have to use another device... the Logitech k400r is great, but again, you cannot do everything with that even... down arrow does not move to next songs, there are no keyboard shortcuts to move to the next song etc.
6/ TennisTV android app does not work at all... works on all my android phones, devices, tablets. This seems to be a common theme, extremely poor app support.
7/ apps added to your apps on Amazon.co.uk online do not (mostly) show up on your device after you have "synced amazon content" . Looking for apps on the device in the amazon store is a mystery, voice search does not work... so is one expected to BROWSE the whole library with the remote to find apps you want? Wow.
7/ Go online to get apps for Fire TV and Amazon says: no TED no IMDB no Wikipedia no ES File explorer no Facebook no Ebay no Google apps of any kind, no Dolphin or Chrome, no Box, no Dropbox, no Evernote no BBC Sport, no TVCatchup... the list goes on and on... pretty dismal IMO.
There is probably a LOT more, but Amazon have successfully strangled and suffocated a very nice bit of hardware. The interface is good, the fluidity is excellent... and for xbmc it is great... but if you are used to a generic android tv box like the tronsmart vega s89, this does not come close, because what you can do with it is extremely limited. The cheap chinese android tv boxes in my lounge and bedroom are going to stay put, I cannot live with this FireTV. Buy this unit if you want a very good xbmc box for £80... but if you want more than that, stay away.
Mark.
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i picked one up last night, my impressions:
the UI is horrendous. ever review i read complimented the UI, but, nothing i want to use (plex) is easy to get to from the homescreen. have to scroll down, then over, etc. finding new apps, movies and tv shows is also difficult. i wish amazon allowed us to alter the homescreen to customize it to how we want it.
plex on firetv, again, the ui is just... just... i don't know, i don't use on deck, or que, or whatever. i have to scroll over, then down to get to what i want. again, i wish plex gave us more opportunity to customize how our splash screen is setup.
otherwise, i like the prime video on demand. this is the first time we have subscribed to an on demand stream service, having the content there, my kids like that there's spongebob and other nick shows. otherwise, our last 3 years of cord cutting has been handled through a rather extensive HTPC that i built running XBMC, sickbeard, couch potato and plex. i picked up the firetv to replace this unit because i'm tired of maintaining it.
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Hello guys
Having used it for about two hours, I've concluded the device is great as an XBMC-only box an/or if you watch Amazon prime video or netflix... but to run most other android apps, it is simply an awful experience. , these are a few of my least favourite things:
1/ Apps you sideload are not visible on the home screen. It takes you 19 (NINETEEN!!!) clicks to get from HOME to the list of apps you can "manage". From there you click more to scroll down to your app of choice and click to select it then click to load it.
2/ you cannot use the remote for inputting text via voice within an app, so in XBMC if you want to enter "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", you cannot do a voice search, so all input is very clunky.
3/ if you use a usb wireless keyboard/trackpad like the Logitech k400r (superb on an android box) you are limited to what keyboard commands the amazon stranglehold will allow
4/ xbmc is not listed as a recent app. If you press HOME by mistake, it is approximately 35 (THIRTY FIVE) clicks to get back to xbmc (more if you have sideloaded more than 13 apps... which makes me hesitant to sideload any more!) Alt-TAB works on the wireless keyboard to get back to the last app, but XBMC is not listed there - as it is on generic android tv boxes.
5/ on spotify, you cannot use just the remote, pressing Down does not take you to the next song, left and right do not navigate menus etc... so you have to use another device... the Logitech k400r is great, but again, you cannot do everything with that even... down arrow does not move to next songs, there are no keyboard shortcuts to move to the next song etc.
6/ TennisTV android app does not work at all... works on all my android phones, devices, tablets. This seems to be a common theme, extremely poor app support.
7/ apps added to your apps on Amazon.co.uk online do not (mostly) show up on your device after you have "synced amazon content" . Looking for apps on the device in the amazon store is a mystery, voice search does not work... so is one expected to BROWSE the whole library with the remote to find apps you want? Wow.
7/ Go online to get apps for Fire TV and Amazon says: no TED no IMDB no Wikipedia no ES File explorer no Facebook no Ebay no Google apps of any kind, no Dolphin or Chrome, no Box, no Dropbox, no Evernote no BBC Sport, no TVCatchup... the list goes on and on... pretty dismal IMO.
There is probably a LOT more, but Amazon have successfully strangled and suffocated a very nice bit of hardware. The interface is good, the fluidity is excellent... and for xbmc it is great... but if you are used to a generic android tv box like the tronsmart vega s89, this does not come close, because what you can do with it is extremely limited. The cheap chinese android tv boxes in my lounge and bedroom are going to stay put, I cannot live with this FireTV. Buy this unit if you want a very good xbmc box for £80... but if you want more than that, stay away.
Mark.
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You can use something called llama to create a shortcut to the homescreen (so to speak) of all side loaded apps and this is well documented on these forums.
Got my FTV at work so will give it a go when I get home to see if the list of apps is as bad as you say and if so will just use an amazon USA account.
Has anyone tried sideloading the prime video app on one of the tron boxes? They're interesting looking boxes.
As far as the UI goes: if you're able to root your system, you can set it to use xbmc as the launcher and only drop into the Amazon side when you want to watch prime video.
I don't mind the UI too much, either in xbmc or from Amazon, as I have low expectations for what a UI for a TV should be.
It's nice to see that if this dies, there may be other fairly competitive boxes which I can get Netflix and Prime on as well as xbmc.
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Has anyone tried sideloading the prime video app on one of the tron boxes? They're interesting looking boxes..
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Actually there was a recent change by Amazon, making the Prime Video app (supposedly) work with Android, but AFAIK it has not been achieved yet. When I tried last a couple of months ago, it would look like it was going to play, then crash. See the thread on Freaktab:
http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?17026-Amazon-Instant-Video
Mark.
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Actually there was a recent change by Amazon, making the Prime Video app (supposedly) work with Android, but AFAIK it has not been achieved yet. When I tried last a couple of months ago, it would look like it was going to play, then crash. See the thread on Freaktab:
http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?17026-Amazon-Instant-Video
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Amazon video works on my phone and tablet pretty well. I did need to sideload the app from my phone to my tablet, but once I did so it was good.
I wonder if some of the issue being described in the thread above is like the one that some folks have with xbmc on the fire: XBMC won't 'let go' of the video hardware easily, so launching a video app from within the Android Apps menu of XBMC results in video not playing. I deal with it by killing XBMC once firetv launcher or netflix are running.
fredphoesh couldn*t summarize it any better. The hardware is great but the software does indeed cripple and limit the use beyong anything. This device is entirely made to only exist in the Amazon world and makes you buy Apps from their own App store and pay for instant video. Nothing else should and could be done with it flawless. See how hard the locked it. Unfortunately there are some more examples of locked down hardware in past time: Apple TV 3rd gen, Surface RT & 2 etc.
Thats why I put this useless brick on ebay as long as people go crazy for it - for whatever reason I don't know. For the same money you can get a very decent Android Box without and restrictions and full root access!
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Thats why I put this useless brick on ebay as long as people go crazy for it - for whatever reason I don't know. For the same money you can get a very decent Android Box without and restrictions and full root access!
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The problem that a decent Android box alternative, with the possible exception being the new Android TV, is they do not get Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu type apps to go along with XBMC. This is the very reason why people are going crazy for it. It is nice to have everything I need and that Amazon provides it all in one OTT box.
Might take a bit of effort but if you set it up right the fire TV can work very well. Mine is being used not only as an XBMC box but also as my download center and NAS. Couldn't be happier with it.
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Might take a bit of effort but if you set it up right the fire TV can work very well. Mine is being used not only as an XBMC box but also as my download center and NAS. Couldn't be happier with it.
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I am guessing rooted. The problems is that the folks doing the reviews now have never had the option to root. UK & GER shipped with rooting blocked.
Clearly out of the box the AFTV is not the most open/flexible experience. It is really easy to mod though. Root, install custom recovery, flash latest rooted rom, install Xposed (Fire TV Mods), alternate launcher, Google framework/play store and it's a completely different experience.
It is fine to complain, or give a bad review about a stock interface, but not here. XDA is a modding/tweaking community, I don't know why you are giving a review on a stock rom's nearly out of the box interface. A bit of work and most (if not all) of your complains are moot.
At least look around first to see if there are solutions to your complaints before just whining about them. :laugh:
Don't count this box out yet...now that someone has the ability to write custom kernels and we have a custom recovery I can only hope someone brings out an amazing AOSP build for the box or someone is quick to port over Android TV to it. Unfortunately I am not one of those capable of but would donate
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Clearly out of the box the AFTV is not the most open/flexible experience. It is really easy to mod though. Root, install custom recovery, flash latest rooted rom, install Xposed (Fire TV Mods), alternate launcher, Google framework/play store and it's a completely different experience.
It is fine to complain, or give a bad review about a stock interface, but not here. XDA is a modding/tweaking community, I don't know why you are giving a review on a stock rom's nearly out of the box interface. A bit of work and most (if not all) of your complains are moot.
At least look around first to see if there are solutions to your complaints before just whining about them. :laugh:
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Perhaps you have not read much of what's being said about the newest Firetv boxes... Unrootable and heavily censored blocking movie streaming sites on xbmc, and dismally poor app support too.
As it is now, it is useful for two things only, Amazon prime video and netflix... Neither of which I want or need.
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Perhaps you have not read much of what's being said about the newest Firetv boxes... Unrootable and heavily censored blocking movie streaming sites on xbmc, and dismally poor app support too.
As it is now, it is useful for two things only, Amazon prime video and netflix... Neither of which I want or need.
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Was this confirmed outside of just one person's experience?
Also, devices get updates that prevent root all the time. Often, the devs figure out a way to root them. I'm waiting on my Fire TV I ordered from eBay, hoping it's rootable. But even if not XBMC and Netflix is all I really wanted it for anyway (and not to use the crappy streaming add-ons but my own collection)
If Android TV is somehow ported to the Fire, then this box will become a great device. Right now it's worth the 100 bux alone just to play around with imo.
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Perhaps you have not read much of what's being said about the newest Firetv boxes... Unrootable and heavily censored blocking movie streaming sites on xbmc, and dismally poor app support too.
As it is now, it is useful for two things only, Amazon prime video and netflix... Neither of which I want or need.
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i think your having more of an "operator error" than anything.. amazon isnt messing with xbmc. The fireTV has been working fine for everyone else for like 6 months now. if you dont like it send it backm sucks theres no root for UK people yet.. but no need to whine about it on here..
From a new UK Fire TV user - I totally agree "DISMAL EXPERIANCE" :¬(
Spent a lot of money on Plex only to find it has to use fire tv sdk and so no 5.1 DD surround sound over HDMI - if you have MKV content :¬(
I can sideload xbmc which works! and is the reason why it cant be on the amazon store - But I cant find a skin that is nearly as nice as plex)
Blocking root is way annoying too
I sideload'ed chrome and firefox and they seem to have patched it so that the remote does not work - nice one fire tv peeps (the browser in ES file manager works better - grr)
Sometimes I think they try to PISS people off on purpose
guess it makes them chuckle all the way to bank
at least it only cost 49£ so im going to ritually destroy it and jump up and down on it till I get blisters
AND also bye bye amazon prime!
Did anybody do any research before pre-ordering & before & after the German launch (around 9/16/2014) to know what to expect. The majority if not all of this "issues" where known weeks or a month ago.... And some of this are not real issues at all. Like demanding not promise features. Or "operator error" issues... There is usually a FW update shortly after a launch to deal with true issues that arise from it. So be on the lookout for one.
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Perhaps you have not read much of what's being said about the newest Firetv boxes... Unrootable and heavily censored blocking movie streaming sites on xbmc, and dismally poor app support too.
As it is now, it is useful for two things only, Amazon prime video and netflix... Neither of which I want or need.
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As far as I can see, you are the only one to have experienced this. Perhaps the dns servers for these sites are being recently blocked by your UK ISP (Your other devices may have the dns entries cached for a while). In any case, one person having this problem is not much proof of this, thus is hearsay.
Why go on a long tirade when your real complaint is that you cannot obtain root? Why post a non-modded devices shortcomings on a modding site that has solutions to all but one of your problems? join one of the other "rant because I can't root" threads.
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Why go on a long tirade when your real complaint is that you cannot obtain root? Why post a non-modded devices shortcomings on a modding site that has solutions to all but one of your problems? join one of the other "rant because I can't root" threads.
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actually i dont care about root
i want to have the apps I can have on my android tv working on this box.
they dont
it is a giant fail largely due to facist isp's in the UK and control freakery by amazon.
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actually i dont care about root
i want to have the apps I can have on my android tv working on this box.
they dont.
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They do for me
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it is a giant fail largely due to facist isp's in the UK and control freakery by amazon.
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Wrong forum/web site then. This is what I have been saying all along.
Im not sure if this is supposed to be posted here but Xda has not made an omate rise section.
Ive recently received my omate rise smartwatch, its a decent device though lacking app content for the moment since there is no google play support. I have several annoyance with it but especially the keyboard, the stock firmware uses a "sample soft keyboard" which is packaged as "com.example.android.softkeyboard" its a horrible keyboard on its own but its supposed to be used in conjunction with the phone app Olink. When you tap the keyboard on the watch while BT tethered to a phone, the Olink app supposed to popup a second keyboard which you can input and send it to the watch input fields.
This sounds good and all but doesnt work with all the time. so i installed various other keyboards i.e google keyboard, minuum, etc. They all have a strange issue where when the keyboard options or keyboard is called up there is a black solid overlay that blocks the view no matter what. can anyone help.
also if anyone know a way to install google play that would be good, also even though i ordered the dev version, the device does not come with SU binaries and not rooted. omate just avoids the question altogether
Play Store install will require somebody make a custom recovery for it. Seeing that Omate has burned so many developers and XDA, the chances of that happening are slim. To be honest, selling it is your best option as according to Omate, every watch they sell is a "dev version". This pretty much means you are on your own.
Be aware of this company and thear products!
Ive received broken watch, after that Ive send it back to the omate office in HK, they promise me to refund the shipping back costs. As for now they received the parcel, they refuse to repair it and start the procedure of refund, the pay me on my paypal not the full amount as Ive pay on Indiegogo (the chose me to pay the 11.43 USD commision for this transaction) and refuse to refund me shipping back costs. Be aware of this scamers!!!
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Im not sure if this is supposed to be posted here but Xda has not made an omate rise section.
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I wisch that too and write it here down. Feel free to participate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/about-xda/miss-omate-rise-smartwatch-xiaomi-yi-t3487228
zero_ap said:
Ive recently received my omate rise smartwatch, its a decent device though lacking app content for the moment since there is no google play support.
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I got a Omate Rise from a private ebay seller for about 2 weeks for my brother. I made a lot of updates and there is now a GooglePlay store on it by OTA-Update. But I search for a better app for circular displays. I hope I can grab the play:store apk from the fresh Android Wear 2.0 preview 3 rom. You can get it here https://developer.android.com/wear/preview/downloads.html, extract this with winrar and look into the system with ext4_unpacker_exe.zip .
PlayStore and the menu look really nice:
zero_ap said:
I have several annoyance with it but especially the keyboard, the stock firmware uses a "sample soft keyboard" which is packaged as "com.example.android.softkeyboard" its a horrible keyboard on its own but its supposed to be used in conjunction with the phone app Olink. When you tap the keyboard on the watch while BT tethered to a phone, the Olink app supposed to popup a second keyboard which you can input and send it to the watch input fields.
This sounds good and all but doesnt work with all the time. so i installed various other keyboards i.e google keyboard, minuum, etc. They all have a strange issue where when the keyboard options or keyboard is called up there is a black solid overlay that blocks the view no matter what. can anyone help.
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Jup the keyboard ist still the bigest problem.
Currently there is LatinIME.apk installed per default from OTA/stuck rom. I try some keyboards and the could be the OneTouch keyboard. Looks really nice for the small display:
Also for round displays. It was a kickstarter. I was able to activate beta testing in google play store but sadly I can not buy the in-app-purchase with the current stock-rom:
After starting there is a relly really shor time the purchase button:
Then it is gone:
But when I can press/touch the button it fails because on the payment:
I can touch "Weiter" and I can fill out my paypal-payment data with "adb shell input text 'my-text'":
But at the end he did not accept my billing method:
The non-beta has a working IME-Keyboard but there something I missed so, I changed back to stock IME (LatinIME).
You should get the non-beta version here:
https://apkpure.com/touchone-keyboard-wear-preview/net.infiniti.touchone.touchone
Funny is that there is no IME-Menu from the setting of the rom
If an app, like touchpal keyboard, does not open the ime menu, I need to do it with adb:
Some xda users try the minuum wear app on the moto-360, looks ready for testing it on the omate rise:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360/general/minuum-keyboard-android-wear-t2871609
http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=ca045cd04e580f1a87d5b9c63&id=aca556d7a0
zero_ap said:
also if anyone know a way to install google play that would be good, also even though i ordered the dev version, the device does not come with SU binaries and not rooted. omate just avoids the question altogether
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I had no idea how to get the SU binary into the xbon folder but I think should be easily done on this stock-FW.
And as I am allready writing: just make OTA updates.
Greetings by I_did_it_just_tmrrowhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3729682
Got this watch /phone whatever. Not terrible but not great. What keyboard y'all using. Mines has Google play and apk shop and Alexa with updates. Although I cannot type in search.
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Use Vysor or Mobizen to extend your display to your PC to better access the hidden corners and menu items that the round screen blocks.
Applications are not available on the Play Store for the Rise but you can download them from apkpure.com, transfer them to your Rise and install
them using the File Manager.
Wifi File Transfer is an easy way to copy files over, as is Airdroid or Android File Transfer.
Good luck getting any support from the developer for this watch, it's at EOL and not even out of Beta.
jchisholm said:
Use Vysor or Mobizen to extend your display to your PC to better access the hidden corners and menu items that the round screen blocks.
Applications are not available on the Play Store for the Rise but you can download them from apkpure.com, transfer them to your Rise and install
them using the File Manager.
Wifi File Transfer is an easy way to copy files over, as is Airdroid or Android File Transfer.
Good luck getting any support from the developer for this watch, it's at EOL and not even out of Beta.
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I have heard. I'm a waiter and it's cool to be able to send a text without taking out my phone.. The olink app sucks to, might just resell it. Don't think this was one of my smarter purchases lol. Thanks.
Also anyone find the button kinda hard?
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