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[Q] Nexus 4, or Nexus 10? Which one would suit me more?

I realize it's a comparison between a phone and a tablet, but I really don't know which one to get at this point, so I'm hoping some people can possibly help me out
I was mainly interested in the Nexus 4 because of it's portability, camera (8MP), and it has cellular, which I might find useful. I haven't really messed with smaller Android devices though for too long (used 7-inch tablets), so I don't know how well I'll fair with the screen size. I also heard recently that the Nexus 4 wasn't on AOSP, and haven't really seen anything official saying it would ever be supported...
The Nexus 10 is clearly going to be a "slight" issue with portability. The camera is only 5MP, but I really don't know too much more then that (I'm sure there's other aspects to consider when comparing cameras other then megapixels). The screen size sounds amazing, and would be pretty entertaining for gaming and movies, and the resolution is even nicer. And from what I heard, this is the best device for AOSP currently Has no cellular however, but then again I don't think I would want to be using this thing for a phone either (perhaps I can get a hotspot?)
Hardware is another concern. If I assume right, the better the hardware, the longer the device will be supported by Google. With this in mind, the Nexus 10 would be the last device in the latest list of devices to stop receiving higher Android versions, due to the system specs (has more power to run later Android versions basically). Also, hardware determines how smoothly the device would operate as well. I'm certain that both the Nexus 4 and 10 can do the usual tasks without any issue at all, but gaming-wise, I feel the Nexus 10 would be better.
I also have a slight interest in trying to develop for Android in the future, with apps.
So basically:
Nexus 4 Benefits:
- Portability (main)
- Cellular
Disadvantages:
- No AOSP (yet anyway, if ever)
- Go out-of-date quicker
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Hardware (main)
- AOSP
Disadvantages:
- Portability
- No Cellular (could maybe just get a hotspot though, idk)
As it stands currently, I can't really purchase either device at the moment (I don't have the funds or card from PayPal yet, Nexus 4 is out of stock, and Nexus 4 is a tiny bit more then I have in my PayPal currently). So I have a little bit before I can make a decision anyway Any help would be nice though.
Also, it would be awesome if anyone who has a Nexus 10 currently could try to answer some gaming-related questions:
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- With osu!droid, when playing a song on my Nexus 7, if I spammed tap input during gameplay, beats would just stop approaching, them all come in very quickly, and cause song failure (this shouldn't happen). Would like someone like to test multitouch and multitouch "streaming" (not sure how to explain it, but just spam-touch the screen with 2 fingers during gameplay).
I might suggest playing a song normally first though just to get the feel for how it should play and how beats approach in, then play the same song again and just spam input as much as possible. Under normal cirmstances, beats should just keep appearing like normal, you should either accidentally hit them or miss depending on where your tapping, and maybe fail the song. With the Nexus 7, beats will stop, and then quickly stream in a few seconds either after you stopped spamming input, or as your doing it, and guarantee song failure.
- Does GTA III play smoothly?
- Does DEAD TRIGGER play smoothly?
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sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol

rookiegenius said:
sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol
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I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
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http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm

This post is stupid and just cluttering up the Q&A's. They are both totally different devices and it depends on what your requirements are therefore no one here can tell you what is best. If you need a new phone get the 4 if you want a tablet get the 10 if you want both then get both. Simple.

^:That's why It's posted in the question thread, and its used as a question. Not cluttering.
Camera, I don't really think it would matter to much, but both are great devices. I say its all in what you want for portability. If you get the tablet, you'd think you should've gotten the phone. Same if you get the phone. Not much of a help, but what phone do you have now? Do you really need an upgrade?
I'd most likely go for the Phone. Tablets, never really admired them to much. I had a Galaxy Tablet. Wasn't impressed.
Also, this was with a 3MP 2 year old phone stock camera. Look at it :thumbup:
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If your mainly interested in the Nexus 4 then go for that. I thought my I9000 was getting old! It will be a massive upgrade of your current phone.

I think you almost answered your own question with the portability comment. I'm getting the N10 becasue I already have an S3. IMO I would go with the N4 in your case. It will also be way easier to show off the N4 to all your friends.

Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.

espionage724 said:
Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.
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Considering it's still on it's way to consumers hands, there really aren't any reports of widespread issues yet (that I have read about). I have been looking at tablets for about 6 months now, and was relieved to hear that Samsung was doing the hardware for this. In my research, and talking to people with tablets, there is always going to be some sort of "issue". I was dead set on the Infinity until I started hearing all the negative reports. That being said, I have talked to happy Infinity owners as well. I think with these types of tech, you have to gamble at some point, becasue there is always going to be something better and newer around the corner. IMO, the amount of features you get for the price is just too sweet to pass up on the N10. Maybe I will regret it, maybe I won't. Either way, I will have a 10 inch tablet, where as right now, I don't own one...

If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.

drcujo said:
If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
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Yea that's probably a good point; but I sold my Nexus 7 and other stuff specifically for a new device lol; kind of miss having an Android device
drcujo said:
I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
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I would like to use data, but I mean technically I barely use my current phone as it is. Chances are I would probably use the device for videos and games then actual calling and texting. But since I can't really get a data plan in the forseeable future, I don't quite know how comfortable I'd feel using the Nexus 4.
drcujo said:
If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
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I had a Nexus 7, and it was nice and all, but the specs on the Nexus 10 are what make me want it, along with the larger screen size.
drcujo said:
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.
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Yea WiFi is a bit of a problem in my area, but the places I usually go have free WiFi available.
I'm probably just going to go with a Nexus 10 at this point though. Not being able to get an unlimited data plan is a pretty big disadvantage imo, and I barely call and text people as it is currently anyway with my phone (I think I actually used Google Voice more on my Nexus 7 when I had it). The large display and hardware has me really interested in the Nexus 10 currently. Possibly another big bonus is a rear-facing camera, which my Nexus 7 didn't have (didn't know how much I would of liked one until I didn't have it; came from a SGT7 prior to getting a N7).
If anything though, I would most likely get a Nexus 4 later

If you can only get one, get the Nexus 4.
You'll certainly get more use out of it for day to day things and it'll be just fine as a development platform as well.
I'm passing on the N4 because my One X is nearly as capable for my smartphone needs, the screen is right on par with resolution, size and quality, it's arguably just as "sexy", and has twice the storage (and a strong development community).
I might be singing a different song if the N4 at least matched my One X's 32Gb of storage, but that's not to be.
I am however, picking up an N10, despite already owning an N7 and Tab 8.9 LTE. The display...for me it's all about the display, and the N10's display is a significant upgrade from my existing tablets.

espionage724 said:
I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm
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keep that phone. the nexus 4 not much better!

I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?

espionage724 said:
I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?
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If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...

leperme5siah said:
If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...
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I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far

espionage724 said:
I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far
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Compare the post counts between the Galaxy Nexus section and the Nexus 7. There's simply a lot more phone owners than tablet owners, hence more raw activity.
But there's no shortage of custom and modded ROMs, tweaks and kernels for the N7, and there won't be for the N10 either.

Considering the Nexus 4 - What are its major flaws?

I currently have a Nexus S which I have had for 2 years now. I'm considering the Nexus 4, was going for the S4 but this is half the price, and the iPhone 6 would be too far out and the iOS would not be to my liking.
I know I cannot really go wrong with the Nexus 4 - it's loved by every reviewer, and not because of its price - the price is only a bonus.
What are its major flaws? I have a few things I was curious about:
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. When your finger touches/swipes on the screen, does it behave like an iPhone 5 or the Galaxy S3/4/Note II devices? I personally like the sensitivity to your finger from the iPhone and Samsung's Galaxy devices. I don't have this in my current Nexus S but definitely would like it in my next phone.
- Battery life. Can it last 14-16 hours, with let's say, 2-3 hours of screen time or so?
- Camera. I've seen some sample pictures, was not too impressed, but as long as it's decent I'm fine.
- Headphone output? I heard the headphone output is lower than other devices from a video. Not sure if significant.
That's all for now. :good:

Just wait for the Nexus 5. Only 3-4 months away.

Tbh I've considered that, but it'll be announced in October, released in December, and if I want it with my carrier it'll probably hit in perhaps March/April of 2014, unless I choose to buy it from the Play Store.
I also heard it packs in a lot, and I think Google's going to price it high this time around. Either way, my current carrier is offering the N4 16GB for only $300 outright. So its price seems lower than market value, and it for some reason is hard for me to wait.

I upgraded from by Galaxy S (Same as the Nexus S) in Feb.
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. I would say the same, hard to notice the difference.
- Battery life. 5+ hrs on screen time with WiFi on (I dont have data so thats not in use). It was a definate improvement from Galaxy S.
- Camera. There is a mod floating around that allows you to get better quality pictures at the cost of a larger file size.
- Sound. NOTHING beat Galaxy S's sound chip. I was disappointed a bit here.
- Overall animation/fluidity/framerate. Stock android on N4, even the most overclocked Galaxy S with the most slimmed rom cannot come close to these speeds.
- Size. I like smaller phones that fit into my pocket easier. Galaxy S wins here but thats a personal choice. HD videos play exactly to scale on the N4, you just feel immersed.
- Physical features. You can't drop it, glass on both sides, bumpers/cases probably won't do anything. It's also heavier. No removable battery or SD card. I made the mistake of getting the 8GB, dont. Doesn't feel plasticky/cheap like the Galaxy S.
ROM support is very nice here, I think it's just as good as when Galaxy S was in it's prime.
You have to get it, try getting it through your provider ($300 in canada for the 16Gb via koodo whereas $366 shipped from goolge for the 8Gb)

OnlySkills said:
Tbh I've considered that, but it'll be announced in October, released in December, and if I want it with my carrier it'll probably hit in perhaps March/April of 2014, unless I choose to buy it from the Play Store.
I also heard it packs in a lot, and I think Google's going to price it high this time around. Either way, my current carrier is offering the N4 16GB for only $300 outright. So its price seems lower than market value, and it for some reason is hard for me to wait.
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Buying from Play Store is better anyway, at least for T Mobile USA.
What can the Nexus 4 do that your Nexus S can't? The Nexus 5 will be even better than the Nexus 4 on all scales. It is rumored to be based off the LG G2 which will have stereo speakers, bigger screen, improved camera, and much more. Maybe even launched with Key Lime Pie(?)
Just wait for it.

1. Low earpiece/mic
2. Camera speed slower than GN, need to be very steady for HDR
3. Storage can be challenging to manage, we need 32/64 nexus...
4. MTP is slow in general, and touchscreen goes crazy when charging from my PC
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Ace42 said:
1. Low earpiece/mic
2. Camera speed slower than GN, need to be very steady for HDR
3. Storage can be challenging to manage, we need 32/64 nexus...
4. MTP is slow in general, and touchscreen goes crazy when charging from my PC
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My touchscreen never goes crazy when charging from a PC.

i had a nexus s for long time, loved that thing. yes, it does have great sound, especially with voodoo, but the nexus s is merely a childs toy compared to the nexus 4. heck, the galaxy nexus was a large step from the nexus s. you will love the nexus 4. coming from two samsung phones in a row(ns and gnex), i first thought that not having a plastic back was the nexus 4s' major flaw, but now i dont mind
oh, and some photos, all hdr mode..
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Touch sensitivity is quite good for an android device similar to the nexus s, but the nexus 4 has lower touch sensitivity than it is capable of because of the touchscreen drivers, this problem has supposedly been fixed in the upcoming android 4.3 update but honestly touch response is very good you won't have a problem.
As for battery expect 4-5 hours sot on WiFi and 3-4 hours on 3g.
Photos in good lighting conditions are quite good but in low light its another story so if you take pictures in good light you'll be okay.
I find the sound output to be fairly reasonable its quite loud I don't think you'll have a problem with it unless you need to drive something huge with a high impedance, for normal headphones/earphones its loud enough.

Roastmeat said:
I upgraded from by Galaxy S (Same as the Nexus S) in Feb.
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. I would say the same, hard to notice the difference.
- Battery life. 5+ hrs on screen time with WiFi on (I dont have data so thats not in use). It was a definate improvement from Galaxy S.
- Camera. There is a mod floating around that allows you to get better quality pictures at the cost of a larger file size.
- Sound. NOTHING beat Galaxy S's sound chip. I was disappointed a bit here.
- Overall animation/fluidity/framerate. Stock android on N4, even the most overclocked Galaxy S with the most slimmed rom cannot come close to these speeds.
- Size. I like smaller phones that fit into my pocket easier. Galaxy S wins here but thats a personal choice. HD videos play exactly to scale on the N4, you just feel immersed.
- Physical features. You can't drop it, glass on both sides, bumpers/cases probably won't do anything. It's also heavier. No removable battery or SD card. I made the mistake of getting the 8GB, dont. Doesn't feel plasticky/cheap like the Galaxy S.
ROM support is very nice here, I think it's just as good as when Galaxy S was in it's prime.
You have to get it, try getting it through your provider ($300 in canada for the 16Gb via koodo whereas $366 shipped from goolge for the 8Gb)
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You can drop it with a bumper on and screen protectors. I dropped mine onto concrete and accidentally stepped on it. Lol its perfectly fine except for the scratch on my screen protector
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Gets extremely hot when gaming. I'm not sure whether this causes damage, but it makes me sweat on the device.
Both 3G and Wifi have connection issues. This may be fixed in software, but I'm not sure.
Speaker sound isn't as good as some other phones.
Being totally flat, it sits flush on a surface and the speaker is covered, muting notification sounds.
Being made of glass, there's twice as much breakable surface.

I upgraded my Nexus S for the N4 about the time it launched, so I know how slow it must be getting.
While its not perfect, I wouldn't trade it for anything on the market. It's a nexus device, which has the major benefit of being the first to be updated and having more stable ROMs, which you will miss from other devices.
The battery is not as good as I would have hoped for, but it will get me through the day as long as I'm not using it constantly. With mobile data on, I can get 2 hours of SOT (Screen on Time) if I wasn't playing games.
On the topic of the screen, I can tell you that the stock color calibration is extremely washed out. It's a good screen, they just botched the calibration. I remember looking at it for the first time and being really disappointed because of the faded look of colors like blue. This is something that is easily fixed by a non-stock kernel like Franco's Kernel, which is the one I use. The calibration I have right now looks amazing.
While the headphone output is quiet by the standards of most phones, I don't notice it unless I plug it into something like external speakers, or my car.
Also, it's probably worth noting that the 4.3 update that was leaked yesterday is supposed to drastically improve touch sensitivity.
and I would probably wait until at least the 24th of July on the off chance that Google announces lower pricing or a higher capacity version.

Touch Pretty darn smooth. Without a screen protector that is. But even with a sp you'll be able to swipe like no other. Response is top notch and definitely on par with new released phones. (Just my opinion)
Battery If you're a heavy user the battery might slack. If you're an addict, don't get this phone lol. But if you're able to balance data / running apps / screen time / etc. this phone will be perfect. (Choose the right rom & kernel, or just stay stock with a nice kernel)
Camera I don't use it that much but its alright, not the best out there. If you're some fancy photographer I doubt you'll be satisfied. But still takes pretty nice pictures as long as you take it right
Headphone I literally listen to music all day if I'm out of my house. No doubt the output is nice and clear, but it all depends on what type of headphones you're using.
This phone isn't a super computer. It lags when it needs to and produces slight flaws as you use it. But then again, what electronic doesn't
In the end, it all depends on the user's preferences. But if anything, I'd recommend waiting for the N5.

One of the most annoying things about the N4 is undoubtedly the fact that notifications etc cannot be heard when the phone lies flat with the screen up. Many calls have been missed due to this fact...

lazer155 said:
My touchscreen never goes crazy when charging from a PC.
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When I touch in one spot it reacts like I hit another location.

I have to say, it is SLIPPY. It slips off everthing, even when i think its a flat surface!

OnlySkills said:
I currently have a Nexus S which I have had for 2 years now. I'm considering the Nexus 4, was going for the S4 but this is half the price, and the iPhone 6 would be too far out and the iOS would not be to my liking.
I know I cannot really go wrong with the Nexus 4 - it's loved by every reviewer, and not because of its price - the price is only a bonus.
What are its major flaws? I have a few things I was curious about:
- Screen touch sensitivity/fluidity. When your finger touches/swipes on the screen, does it behave like an iPhone 5 or the Galaxy S3/4/Note II devices? I personally like the sensitivity to your finger from the iPhone and Samsung's Galaxy devices. I don't have this in my current Nexus S but definitely would like it in my next phone.
- Battery life. Can it last 14-16 hours, with let's say, 2-3 hours of screen time or so?
- Camera. I've seen some sample pictures, was not too impressed, but as long as it's decent I'm fine.
- Headphone output? I heard the headphone output is lower than other devices from a video. Not sure if significant.
That's all for now. :good:
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Do u run custom Roms/kernels on the nexus s?
If you want the same experience x100 then the nexus 4 is for u.
I went from a nexus s to a nexus 4 and I'm more than happy. Android + iOS smoothness.
Flaws:
The touchscreen unresponsiveness is not major (very soft touches don't register sometimes) and it is remedied with either a custom kernel in 4.2.2 or with the upcoming 4.3 (new touchscreen driver).
Screen colors are a bit washed, but with the same solutions as above screen is beautiful.
The phone is made of glass, so it is not as resilient to falls as the nexus s.
Some people experience notification delays on specific WiFi routers. Never had such problem myself.
The phone tends to get hot when in mobile network or under heavy use (because its glass). Can be solved with custom kernels, undervolting/underclocking (this is the most tweakable phone ever).
No issues with audio.
Camera is good. Not the best, but acceptable quality.
Battery life is typically between 4 to 6 hours screen on time, on WiFi, which is pretty good in my opinion.
P.s. this phone offers the smoothest android experience from every other phone I put my hands on.
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urmothersluvr said:
You can drop it with a bumper on and screen protectors. I dropped mine onto concrete and accidentally stepped on it. Lol its perfectly fine except for the scratch on my screen protector
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I dropped mine without bumper and just got a few scratches
btw is an awesome phone

I wouldn't wait for n5 as it's rumored to have a 5" screen which I feel is too large.
Here's a pic I took with the phone
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Overdose1986 said:
I dropped mine without bumper and just got a few scratches
btw is an awesome phone
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dropped my 4 times because it keeps slipping down the table only slight scratch on the back glass
only around 2-3 ft

Anybody underwhelmed? Now impressed!

I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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having seen 2 different N7 2013 units already, i'd say the screen is a lottery just like it was with the 1st model. yellow tint, contrast setting and scroll blur will vary on each one. btw i never understood the reviews that go into some major details about the screen, like anandtech for example. don't get me wrong, their reviews are amazing but those screen technicalities are not worth anything seeing how the review unit will be different to any actual unit on the store shelves.

Cubfan99 said:
I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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1. Do you play graphics/processor intensive games? The new processor crushes the old one. I don't recommend the upgrade if smoother swiping between screens is all you're looking for.
2. Again, if you are content with the old resolution... stick with that. Clearly, the majority of reviewers and myself personally are in love with the screen. When I use my GS3 now, I cringe.
3. That's great that you like the old thickness. Sounds like an issue with your expectations.... Not the device itself.
4. You have a point here.
5. You should have known this prior to buying the device.... How can you be underwhelmed by a feature you already knew you didn't want...
6. Never had this happen on the two 32 g models I've used.
TL;DR You're doing it wrong. Stop hating on the device because your expectations are off... Doesn't sound like what you need out of a tablet demands a new Nexus 7... you can't blame the tablet for that.
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Well the reason it takes longer to charge is the old nexus 7 came with a 2 amp charger and the new one only has a 1.3 amp

I for one LOVE the new screen, if you can't see the difference then your in the minority.
An $85 older Nexus 7 is a great value. Just keep it and return the New Nexus, if you do think it worth the premium to you.

I love everything about the New Nexus 7. It is what I expected from Google/Asus and they delivered. What else do you want them to do at the $229 price point? Google has put in a nice 1080p display, underclocked S600 processor, 2gig of ram, 5ghz wifi and the memory subsystem has been approved over the original. My only real criticism is the lack of SD card slot but that is true for any Google device. This is not the perfect tablet and people have to put their expectations in check.
Can anyone compare another $229 tablet to this one? Even the $400 Note 8 gets beat buy this and I'm a Note 2 owner.

I mean for all that are reading this and don't have one yet the truth is this. Should you upgrade? Hell yes!!!! Now when is the question to you I sold my 16gb gen1 for 170 a week ago came with cases so to spend 40 bucks to get the new one is nothing. Even if its 60 dollars its worth it. Think about how much apple fanboys spend to upgrade every year. The new nexus is better in every way possible.
Now if you happy with the old I understand most people are probably using this for reading stuff so the first one is fine. I just never really liked the first design wise
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I still have yet to see the new Nexus 7. I hadn't used my OG Nexus for probably 2 months and, now that I am again, I'm realizing how "good enough" it is. I'm going to have to see the new one to really convince myself to drop $270 on the 32gb.
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.

This gen is deff better then last gen i wasnt really liking how it felt on the first one this one feels and looks alot better
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fix-this! said:
its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.
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We already know its not just an S4 pro. Basically a binned and under clocked 600
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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

It's underwhelming when you compare it against the high expectations of the first Nexus 7.
The original Nexus 7 made an absolute joke of all the other mfg's 7"-8" tablets at their existing price point. The ONLY reason you'd buy something other than a Nexus 7 was if you wanted micro sd card support - otherwise the specs were no contest. And why should they? Google was working on razor thin margins for the hardware compared to mfgs.
If you go to a box store and look at the new N7, and then look at all the other 7" tablets, everything else is still a joke and it's far from underwhelming. Google stated that they were making a profit on this one, but my guess is that a big part of this is being able to leverage Motorola's buying power/agreements to reduce individual component cost. Best buy is making a 3.5% margin on the new nexus 7 (8-9.4USD). - it barely makes sense to take up the floor space to sell the damn things and I'd wager that most other box retailers are not doing much better.
OT
It'd be genius if someone from BB knew that staples was running the tablet coupon of $30 off and launched early to cause staples to take a loss on their inventory ($~20 per unit).

Cubfan99 said:
I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
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I can understand that, especially after you mentioned picking up the 2012 Nexus 7 for $85 off Craig's list.
People here are gadget geeks and and spec-mongers, always wanting the latest and greatest (me included). Some of its get a little defensive if someone seen to put down our device of choice.

No I am not underwhelmed overall, but I am by the lack of optimization in the games I care about... The funny thing is the old N7 smokes this devices in both GTA3 and Vice City... go ahead, try and max out the settings, I dare any of you. Now I know this device is significantly more powerful but the bottom line is real world performance and I believe the OP raises a valid point: there isn't a significant difference.
Source: I've owned an N4 since launch (and now an N7.2) and had a friend's OG N7 for a couple weeks when they were out of town.

Yeah maybe the upgrade isn't worth an extra $150 over the 1st gen you just got, but it is still an upgrade and we want the latest and so most people are willing to pay the premium for that.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.

Personally my first gen doesn't come close to touching my new one. Everything is so much faster, smoother and instant. Thanks to the extra RAM it doesn't get crippled when running lots of apps or updating. Can't believe anyone could use both devices and not come away thinking the new one is an upgrade and a half.
Oh, and the screen is flipping fantastic, my GS3 takes a second to get used to when switching directly between the two.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.
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Yeah, a shame to clutter a general discussion forum with discussion.
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Well if chime, by the time your ready for an upgrade the og n7 will be worth peanuts

Thought on Asus Products

In the future I think I may stay away from Asus products. I have had a lot of issues with them in the last several years. What has your experience been. To keep it simple to read please use a similar format as below.
Since mid to late 2010:
Asus G74 laptop:
- wired network port stopped working
- Touch pad stopped working
- Comes with software that is supposed to keep the drivers and software updated, it never worked. A quick internet search shows that no one's ever been able to get it to work. I haven't tried it recently, maybe I'll look into it.
Asus FT101 (Went through 3 unites):
- Had to exchange it twice in the first week. First time because it failed to boot on with on 24 hours. Second time it touch screen had issues with missing a lot of touches.
- After about a year or so the screen stopped working. I can Use HDMI it the device works but the screen won't display wont work (opened it up and the cable isn't loose).
- Keyboard dock battery stopped responding (taking or giving a charge)
- I don't recall if it had the slow memory IO issues, but I think it did.
Asus TF300 (went through 2 unites):
- First unite had to be exchanged again for touch screen issues. I couldn't even set up the device because phantom touches would open and close things all over the place and couldn't get it set up.
- Second TF300T worked, but like just about every Asus Tablet, until recently, had IO issues that seemd to get worse over time. It became painful to use at times. I still have it, aside from the IO issues it's a good device. I hope Android 4.3 will help it be a little letter with the IO issue.
- My TF300T does suffer from random reboots from time to time. Not very often, but it will on occasion reboot out of the blue.
Asus made Nexus 7 2013 (decide to keep, as other seem to have it worse):
- GPS issue as mentioned many places.
- Touchscreen grounding issue. If I'm not holding it in my hands (laying on table or mounted in car) it may stop responding to touches.
- My wireless charging work fine out of the box, but many have had issues. Some removed the back (at time putting a crack in it) to clean the contacts to get it working. Other have had multiple exchanges to get a unite that works out of the box.

RojasTKD said:
In the future I think I may stay away from Asus products. I have had a lot of issues with them in the last several years. What has your experience been. To keep it simple to read please use a similar format as below.
Since mid to late 2010:
Asus G74 laptop:
- wired network port stopped working
- Touch pad stopped working
Asus FT101 (Went through 3 unites):
- Had to exchange it twice in the first week. First time because it failed to boot on with on 24 hours. Second time it touch screen had issues with missing a lot of touches.
- After about a year or so the screen stopped working. I can Use HDMI it the device works but the screen won't display wont work (opened it up and the cable isn't loose).
- I don't recall if it had the slow memory IO issues, but I think it did.
Asus TF300 (went through 2 unites):
- First unite had to be exchanged again for touch screen issues. I couldn't even set up the device because phantom touches would open and close things all over the place and couldn't get it set up.
- Second TF300T worked, but like just about every Asus Tablet, until recently, had IO issues that seemd to get worse over time. It became painful to use at times. I still have it, aside from the IO issues it's a good device. I hope Android 4.3 will help it be a little letter with the IO issue.
Asus made Nexus 7 2013 (decide to keep, as other seem to have it worse):
- GPS issue as mentioned many places.
- Touchscreen grounding issue. If I'm not holding it in my hands (laying on table or mounted in car) it may stop responding to touches.
- My wireless charging work fine out of the box, but many have had issues. Some removed the back (at time putting a crack in it) to clean the contacts to get it working. Other have had multiple exchanges to get a unite that works out of the box.
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This is my first experience with an Asus device and I'm not really enjoying it much either. After 2 replacements I finally got a device that doesn't have bad bleed or dead pixels but the colors seem slightly off, the bezel had multiple deformations that are visible in sunlight out of the box, and wireless charging doesn't work. No idea how I'm going to fix the latter, because I'm sure as hell not risking getting a worse screen in another replacement. A lot of little niggles with this device that really don't belong here especially with the higher retail price than last year's model.
Unfortunately I don't really have a choice since this is the first and only tablet that's ticked every box for me, unless apple is capable of miracles and releases a high-resolution iPad mini that isn't heavier and more expensive than last year's model.

OJ in Compton said:
wireless charging doesn't work. No idea how I'm going to fix
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I have read a few reports that wireless charging seem to have started working after initially not working, so keep trying. Some have removed the back cover and cleaned the coil areas and gotten the charging working. Maybe that is has cleared up on it own over time and why it has started to work for some.
OJ in Compton said:
unless apple is capable of miracles and releases a high-resolution iPad mini that isn't heavier and more expensive than last year's model.
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I really doubt apple will meet those requirements.

Asus used to be one of the go to brands for motherboards.
I think they have not done as well with building complete units.

Asus build great motherboards. Aside from that their Products are all subpar IMO.

Heh, all of my ASUS products have malfunctioned, except for my Xonar DX and netbook. (knocking on wood)
ASUS motherboard (fried)
ASUS netbook (still working)
ASUS Transformer TF101 (speakers blew out)
ASUS Xonar DX (still working)
ASUS Google Nexus 7 (2012) (screen issues, slow emmc chip)
ASUS Google Nexus 7 (2013) (bad battery, malfunctioning screen, light bleed)

I've had the Asus g74sx ROG laptop. It ran awesome and the power was phenomenal.
I've had the Asus TF300T it had good quality EXCEPT a sub par nand that had to be bypassed.
I've had the Asus TF700 it had good quality EXCEPT a sub par nand that I knew about before purchase and bypassed.
I've had the Asus Nexus 7 2013 and I find it superb on every level so far.

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I really doubt apple will meet those requirements.
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They can if they want to, it's more of a question of whether it's possible to do so without eating into their profit margins and thus far it seems like that isn't the case. There's also the fact that the high resolution mini sales will significantly eat into regular ipad sales, so I don't see it happening this year. My best guess is that recent WSJ article is simply an attempt from Apple to have people on the fence hold off on purchasing Nexus 7s.
As far as the wireless charger is concerned, I really don't want to risk cracking the back cover opening it up since I don't use a case.

I had an m50sv from 2005 that has been in constant use and is now my linux media server. Started to get real hot a few years down the line, found out it had one of those faulty 8400m chips in it. Despite the high temps its been running strong and has yet to explode on me.
Asus TF101, still used alongside the N7 and my other devices,.
Zenbook ux32vd, my current laptop and is used for everything other than serious gaming, for which i use my desktop for.
Asus motherboards in all my computers, a few asus GPUs and xonar soundcards.
Had zero issues with all my Asus stuff, aside from the 8400m thing, but that was an Nvidia fault that affected all laptops with that chip in it.

I must say that I had SOME problems with Asus products, but not as much as I had with Gigabyte or Samsung and BenQ.
At this moment I have 3 PCs running with Asus motherboard, all of them are 3+ years old, my gfx card it's been overclocked since day 1 and still runs as the first day (3+ years old).
I got an ASUS router as well RT-N66U, best thing I've ever had in years, not even linksys gets close, and I have 2 Asus 24" IPS Screens that have 3+ years as well.
Also LG is another brand I have a lot of stuff and never had single problem.

Well, I'm glad to hear that some people have had little to no issues with their Asus products. I seem to have had to exchange products on several occasion and had issues pop up (GPS, touch screen issues on several tablets). I just think their QC is not up to snuff.
I'm glad the the IO issues seems to have been fixed, but these many GPS and touch screen issues is just too much, i think. Especiall in light of the issues I have had with just about every Asus product I have owned.
I do have two Asus Monitors that I have had no issues with for over a year. I also think they are the make the best motherboards.
Perhaps next time they make a seemingly nice tablet or Nexus device I wait before buying and not be an early adopter.

Actually, ASUS tied for most reliable laptop after Apple:
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All manufacturers are making this stuff in poor conditioned Chinese factories. What do we expect? Even the holy iPhone had the grounding issues resulting in giving everyone a free bumper case.

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Actually, ASUS tied for most reliable laptop after Apple:
All manufacturers are making this stuff in poor conditioned Chinese factories. What do we expect? Even the holy iPhone had the grounding issues resulting in giving everyone a free bumper case.
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Yes,I was aware of that. They have good scores for their laptops, but also are a small portion of the computer market. I would get an other Asus laptop when the time comes.
But most of my issues have been with their tablets. I'm sure it not all of them, but their QC seems lacking on all the Asus tablets I've owned. Maybe it's bad luck on my part. But at least this N7 2013 is the best one so far, despite my GPS not always being 100% and the grounding issue I'm experiencing.
I hear they be making the next Nexus 10. If it's a compelling device I may be interested, but will not likely be an early adopter.
I like Asus they are usually a good bang for the buck devices, I'm just a little iffy on their QC.
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RojasTKD said:
Yes,I was aware of that. They have good scores for their laptops, but also are a small portion of the computer market. I would get an other Asus laptop when the time comes.
But most of my issues have been with their tablets. I'm sure it not all of them, but their QC seems lacking on all the Asus tablets I've owned. Maybe it's bad luck on my part. But at least this N7 2013 is the best one so far, despite my GPS not always being 100% and the grounding issue I'm experiencing.
I hear they be making the next Nexus 10. If it's a compelling device I may be interested, but will not likely be an early adopter.
I like Asus they are usually a good bang for the buck devices, I'm just a little iffy on their QC.
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Yeah, I agree with you... this is really absurd. Now we have people trying to create their own grounding solutions. I used to love Asus but my most recent laptop is Samsung and I am very happy.
I love Android, I love the Nexus ( I have an original one as well as new one but it doesn't work). I love Google. But this experience (I have exchanged my Nexus 5 times so far and still do not have a good unit) has left me thinking of giving Apple another try. They have had issues in the past with quality control like all other companies, but not nearly on this scale. I cannot believe I exchanged my device 5 times and still it doesn't work. I am not content to wait for Google to come out with a "Fix". In the meanwhile, 14 day return policy will expire. No thanks... I will keep exchanging until working unit or I will give up, keep my original Nexus and wait for iPad Mini Retina.

I purchased several ASUS products and I am satisfied with most of them. I forgot what's the year I bought them though.
1. ASUS EeePC 1000HE
Still remember the netbook age? Over 10 hours of battery life and the portability are very impressive. Bought one for school when I was still in college so that I can play around online when having boring lectures. No issue with this netbook at all.
2. ASUS EeePC 1005HA
Basically I sold my 1000HE for this one becuase of the slick design. I love it so much. Still rocking 9 hours of battery life. No issue at all with this one too.
3. ASUS Maximus III Gene
Have been using this MB for more than 3 years. It's still rocking today. Paired with i7-870 and GTX460. No complaints.
4. ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T (with Keyboard Dock)
This is the one I had most issues with ASUS products. Having the famous I/O issue and screen lift up issue. The I/O issue issue is driving me nuts. I ended up selling the whole set.
5. ASUS VivoBook X202E
I sold my 1005HA recently and bought this one. Netbook is too slow for me now. So far the only issue is that the touch pad has a little bump on it. Quality control of ASUS is not doing a good job. Otherwise, no complaints for this device so far.
6. Nexus 7 (2013) 32GB
One of the most popular tablets now. I only encountered the touch issue once. Light bleed is not serious and it doesn't bother me at all. I can live with that. I had a Samsung tablet before and it has light bleed also. I believe this is a common problem for LCD now. I haven't met any other problem till now. No random reboot, no dead pixels, wireless charging working (with Samsung wireless charging pad), etc. I am very satisfied with it.

I love my asus stuff!
I have a LOT of Asus prodcuts. Probably more than the average user of this board
I started with 2 x83VB-X2s refurbed from tiger direct. They are both still running strong with little issues other than they need new batteries. They've been around for close to 7 years now. Discreet Nvidia, they are AWESOME.
ulFt20 - for my employer - worked great as a travel beast for 3 years until upgrade required. First gen i3, everything still works.
I bought a tf201 when the first came out. Issues out the wazuuuu. GPS was ****, wifi is not bad, screen showed some bleed, and I/O issues.
That being said, it still works, my dad dented the bezel of the tablet itself with a case of beer, and everything still works. Even bought the keyboard, it still works.
I bought an N53SV. Core i7, 6gb, nvidia 540M. Typing on it now. HEAVY, but I love it. Great for work, and some games, although not mega-portable.
Employer upgraded to the zenbook prime, and aside from an issue with the charger, which asus promptly replaced for us 3 times without payment on our end, it has been a dream, and is absolutely gorgeous!
COUNTLESS n66/AC66 routers. I hand these out as suggestions for clients for their unreal feature set, unbeatable speed, and ability to use custom firmware.
I build my recent gaming rig on an asus p8z77-i itx board, its unreal!
I have an M2N-sli deluxe running an old AMD X2 6000+ and it still runs like day one.
Buying into the first production run of products is ALWAYS risky. Remember Apple's iphone 4 bumper hand out deal. I have the nexus 7 2013, its my first nexus device (I run an S3 for a phone), and I've loved EVERY minute of owning it, even when I screw up a flash, I still love how easy it is to fix this thing.
Happy Owner here, of a nexus 7, and ALL things asus for the most part

Nothing but good things to say about Asus! By far my favorite tablet manufacturer! Hoping the rumors about the manufacturing the next N10 are true. If the N10 is made by Asus, then I'll own one of those too!
Asus Prime (TF201) 10.1" Tablet - still works great, gave it to my older sister Mothers Day, she uses it daily
Asus Infinity (TF700) 10.1" Tablet - still works great, still use it daily
Asus N7 FHD 7" Tablet - still works great, still use it daily
Asus RT-N66R wireless router - still works great, still use it daily
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Amen. Plus their support sucks. They have caused physical damage to 2 of my devices over the past 3 years and would not own up to it.
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Actually )) Asus tied with Toshiba for the most reliable laptop. What do it mean, what do it mean?
http://www.squaretrade.com/laptop-reliability-1109/

You get one of the best 7" tablets around for 230$ and there is almost no delay in shipping and availability, of course that quality control can be on a very high level. Plus, most of the issues can be caused by kernel errors and not hardware.
I am at an hardware store internship and ASUS laptops are actually considered to be the most enduring ones.

Google Pixel C

"Google Pixel C 10.2" Tablet With 308ppi, Detachable Keyboard, Lightbar, And Android Marshmallow Coming Later This Year"
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Price:
32 GB - $499
62 GB - $599
Keyboard
$149
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Fool me twice google?
It has a 10.2in, 308ppi screen with a bright backlight capable of 500 nits. It is powered by an Nvidia X1 quad-core processor with 3GB of RAM and a Maxwell desktop-class GPU.
Should I start taking bets on full OpenGL 4.X support?
I would sell my N9 at a huge loss in a heartbeat if I thought the PixelC would have full library support for the X1 from Nvidia. :crying:

So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.

I only just bought the Nexus 9 during HTC's most recent 40% of sale both because of the good price AND because I thought that there was no new tablets from Google this year.
If the Pixel C isn't called a Nexus, even though it runs Android, it probably means that it won't be running strictly AOSP. On the positive side, maybe this means it will have vendor-proprietary performance optimizations. On the negative side, it might not be as developer-friendly as a Nexus.

nVidia chipset? Yeah, good luck with those updates.

kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel

This is the first Google tablet that has caught my attention in quite some time. Although, I sort of wish it was going to be released with 4GB ram. Perhaps 3GB is enough though...
EDIT: Does Android Marshmallow have improved RAM management? I was just reading how you can now view how the RAM is being used app by app but wasn't sure if how the OS actually handles RAM management has changed any.

Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
Seriously though, what kind of productivity can we expect to do on an Android tablet?
The only thing I can think of is Microsoft's office apps.
From personal experience, a cheap intel powered chromebook is way batter for productivity than an Android tablet.

darkchazz said:
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nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
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What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?

michaelearth said:
What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?
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I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.

best tablet for me for heaving gaming

Is this a joke? No stylus support, no mention of improved software interface for tablets. How is this different from a Samsung Tab S2 with a cheap 40 dollars Bluetooth keyboard?

True to that. I bought a Nexus 9 about half a year ago but sold it again 1 month ago. It can be razor fast however I feel the OS (kernel?) is badly optimised to properly support the powerful processor. The Nexus 9 felt laggy most of the time. At 1 point it bugged me so much I sold it off again. Felt like a beast in a cage

CheCorchete said:
So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.
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Google actually manufactures the Pixel line. They are typically made with stellar quality, design, and materials (and generally priced to match). Nexus devices are manufactured by other companies (LG, Asus, etc). They are made in partnership with Google and offer the clean Android experience. They're also typically very reasonably priced for the hardware offered (the N6 being the exception).

Here is the spec sheet for the Tegra X1 "Super Chip"
It is a 64-bit octa-core processor, according to Nvidia, with an Nvidia 256-core Maxwell GPU and full DX-12 and OpenGL 4.5 Support

darkchazz said:
I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.
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Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:

So all the kiddies in this thread led to me having no choice but to post, as I have been saying this for months over on G+. If you are having any "issues" with the Nexus 9, it is the way you are going about it, and not the tablet. As @NYCHitman1 can attest, the Nexus 9 is very battery efficient, and mine (at least) NEVER overheats, or even gets close to a point where i would consider it "hot". I get about a MONTH of standby time, and routinely see over 10 hours of screen on time when streaming media, and close to 6 hours of SOT when gaming. Never once has it heated up doing either. I love my Nexus 9, and the only way I would consider going with ANYTHING else, would be if Google decided to release another 10 inch Nexus (f the Pixel). I want the ability to let developers improve my device, I want the bigger screen size (after using the N9 for almost a year, I could never go back to a 7 inch screen like my Flo had), and I want to be able to rely on my tablet having battery left even if I don't charge it for a couple days. In my opinion, the Flounder is leaps and bounds an improvement over the 2013 Nexus 7, and I think Google hit a homerun with it. Just my lousy two cents. (Also, I just recently got 900+ hours of Up Time on my N9, with no lag issues, no freezing, and no dip in performance. The attached screenshot is with about 650 hours of Up Time, and it was still going like a champ)

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PivotMasterNM said:
kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel
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Personally, I will never buy another 10"+ Android tablet that doesn't have at least an option for a keyboard dock. Ever since my Asus T101, I absolutely must have a keyboard dock for any "large" Android tablet. I'm currently using an HP Slatebook 10 x2, which I LOVE. It's super fast, has a great keyboard dock and it just a great device (love the stereo front-facing speakers too!). ANd you can find the Slatebook for about $200 brand new (with keyboard dock).
The problem with this Google device is that they keyboard dock doesn't have a trackpad, any special function keys, a battery in the keyboard dock, etc - it's just missing way to much functionality that a tablet with a keyboard dock should have (the Slatebook x2 has all of this, plus a full sized USB port, full sized HDMI port, etc).
Even when I'm sitting in front of my PC at home, I still use my Slatebook x2 for everything! Android apps just allow you do things so much quicker than using a web browser - and the keyboard dock makes typing a breeze. Love having the extra battery in the keyboard dock as well....
I also have an Asus T100 (Windows 10 tablet/keyboard dock), but it's nowhere near as useful as my Slatebook x2 for day-to-day tasks. Even the T100 is only $200!
I would love a tablet with a REAL keyboard dock from Google, but this device just isn't it...
Just my two cents!
Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk 2

NYCHitman1 said:
Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:
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I have the 32gb white WiFi variant since release back in November. And before that, a Tegra 3 powered 2012 Nexus 7.
Performance of the Nexus 9 has been fine for me.
It can be amazingly fast at times, then there are some occasional stutters
But unless all I do is read books and documents on it, I could never get more than ~5 hour SoT.
The SoC gets quite hot, felt on the back near the camera, on a daily basis for me, especially when browsing the web.