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Hey guys,
I'm writing an app to display comics from a website and I'm wondering what the laws are with this. If people use my app instead of going to the website, they would not see the ads, therefore costing the website money. Also, if I put ads in my app, I'm making money by using someone else's content. This doesn't sound right. At the same time though, one could argue that this is really no different from making a web browser. All I'm doing is displaying information that is publicly available to anyone. Anyway, any clarification would be excellent.
Thanks,
Samuel Maskell
Well, the way I see it is now in days its well...you could get a way with it...
I mean its the same as if someone were to make a website that copies from another website but the copy ends up being better then the original...
I mean, I am sure that their was meant to be copyright laws against this, but its way to late to start enforcing them because now in days most sites do copy other sites...
So actually it is just a matter of if it would bother you that the owner of the site looses a tiny bit of money.
Since you aren't displaying the website in its original form, you are pulling copyrighted content off their website and displaying it in your app without their consent. I doubt anyone would bother suing you, but at most I could see the website trying to get the app pulled from the Market.
add144 said:
Since you aren't displaying the website in its original form, you are pulling copyrighted content off their website and displaying it in your app without their consent. I doubt anyone would bother suing you, but at most I could see the website trying to get the app pulled from the Market.
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On that note a question comes to mind is it the site owners comic as in did he make it? Because if hes not even the original maker of it hes problem not going to even try to get ur app taken off mainly because overall he would have done the same thing; plus I dont see the app effecting the website to much...Well, unless ur making 4-5 apps(iphone, ipad, android, android honeycomb, windows 7).
The site only displays original content, but yeah, I don't think they would care too much. I'm not particularly worried about getting sued or anything. I really don't see that happen. I just figured I'd ask to see if anyone had had a similar experience in order to avoid running into any problems they might have seen. Anyway, I'll just publish it when it's done and if he asks me to remove it, I'll do just that. Or maybe I'll send the guy an email and see how he feels about it..
Anyway, thanks everyone. You've been very helpful.
In the US it's illegal. The following refers to web sites but an app is really the same thing...
http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm
When creating a Web page, you CANNOT:
* Put the contents of another person's or organizations web site on your Web page
* Copy and paste information together from various Internet sources to create "your own" document. [You CAN quote or paraphrase limited amounts, if you give credit to the original source and the location of the source. This same principle applies to print sources, of course.]
* Incorporate other people's electronic material, such as e-mail, in your own document, without permission.
* Forward someone's e-mail to another recipient without permission
* Change the context of or edit someone else's digital correspondence in a way which changes the meaning
* Copy and paste others' lists of resources on your own web page
* Copy and paste logos, icons, and other graphics from other web sites to your web page (unless it is clearly advertised as "freeware." Shareware is not free). Some organizations are happy to let you use their logos, with permission - it is free advertising. But they want to know who is using it. They might not approve of all sites who want to use their logo.
There is no law stoping you from creating an app that would display a specific part of a website. If this was the case a browser would be illegal.
You need to think of this from its simplest case...the website that is being copied is YOURS.
Say you design a web page of some sort. A blog, some graphic icons, some CARTOONS. How would you like to see some Apple or Android app that all of a sudden has YOUR web page creations on it for profit? I would be pretty pissed And find a way to stop you. LOL
I would carefully check the web page for something like "No portion of this page may be reproduced or copied without consent of "blah, blah" in the fine print.
Similar to re-broadcasting sports game, or more common, DRM with regards to music files.
I would error on the side of caution
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There is no law stoping you from creating an app that would display a specific part of a website. If this was the case a browser would be illegal.
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Bingo. Show me one case involving iphone or android and I will bow down.
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A browser displays the whole website - a major difference.
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Not true. What about a browser that supports Flash vs. one that doesn't? What about a browser that doesn't even support CSS? I don't see how this law could hold up without making a browser illegal.
I have an idea I will share with you all now (hopefully some one will steal it and make a billion dollars, as I will probably never do it and I want to use this app). My idea is for a new kind of webbrowser that rips out all formatting (no css), and instead just grabs content and formats it according to user-submissions (3rd party css pulling content from multiple sites).
According to some here, this app would be illegal, however, I call it a new form of webbrowser, I do not include any content/pages, users do by creating a page format and linking it to content from any online source. To call this illegal is to kill innovation and is unfair since it is just a new form of page rendering and many different webbrowsers have much different page rendering for the same site.
If someone is serious about working with me on this project, please send me a PM.
EDIT: If you think about it, my idea really is what APPs are. Many people make many apps for 3rd party websites like Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter, etc. My idea is one app to rule them all... a browser that works more like an app, and people make html scanners + page layouts instead of making full apps. The idea makes any and every webpage work like an app.
The world is not fair - so why are you complaining?
You can do what you want, but live with the consequences.
Pulling content with the aim to alter it, is as a fact in most western countries illegal. If someone would want to provide only content, he would made an API, e.g. via Rest, SOAP or alike.
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What about FireFox with Ad block plus? Is that illegal? It modifies webpages and prevents them from getting ad revenue.
What about simply blocking ads by adding "ads.* 127.0.0.1" to your hosts file? Is that illegal too?
A browser downloads HTML, and then downloads pictures and renders them on the page. Why can't an "alternate browser" download the same pictures and use them in an alternate html layout?
There are a ton of "fake" apps in the Android market that simply open a page in a "lite" webbrowser. Almost every "Chrome App" is just a link to a webpage that loads them fullscreen. Are they all illegal if from a 3rd party?
I think linking to any portion of web content is a free for all as long as you do not store and re-distribute the content. I think my argument would stand up in court.
Adblocker are an infringement against most AGB/ Eula / Usage agreements.
And yes, I there are many offensive apps in the market. If you are in iran, mostly any violation against foreign law is legal - it depends on the country.
Better example: YouTube - most content violates local law, but YouTube, now Google has sufficient influence and money to deal with it. Do you?
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Your browser argument is stupid. The browser is displaying the original website. Hes talking about pulling copyrighted content off of a website, for his own profit. Those are completely different.
This is definitely illegal, but you probably won't get in trouble for it.
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Your browser argument is stupid. The browser is displaying the original website. Hes talking about pulling copyrighted content off of a website, for his own profit. Those are completely different.
This is definitely illegal, but you probably won't get in trouble for it.
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Actually he was using the browser as kind of an example I believe...And what you just said sounds a lot like what other sites do(aka arcade sites, autoblogs).
It's someone else's content. It's as simple as that.
If you want to make an app to display content you didn't create, then contact them the creator. Maybe you can write the app in excahnge for driving traffic to his cartoons.
The browser argument doesnt apply because browsers are general purpose applications that display any content the user requests, not specific content.
What it comes down to is intent. The same can be said for linking to pirated content.
Law is about nuance. Intent matters -- and this holds true in the digital age. You can't shoe-horn analogies of a broswer or linking or adblock onto this. Each of those holds a different purpose and accomplishes different goals by different means and most importantly for different REASONS.
Motive and intent matter.
I think I might write about this subject in my blog!
Legally, you're breaking copyright laws in several countries by taking other people's copyrighted material and showing it in a context they didn't authorise you to.
Whether they'll sue - who knows - whether they'll get your app removed - who knows - the law, app rules and reality don't always meet. You can do something quite legitimate and have your app remove anyway and apps which break the law are often ignored.
The idea of context is quite important - as is intent - but generally speaking, taking someone's work and doing ANYTHING with it, without their consent, is violation of copyright (the 'right' to 'copy' their work).
p.s. if you were charging for your app, that would be worse again (arguably, you're passing-off someone else's work as your own).
Even if he states the copyright - he uses a digital copy for his own good, fame, money - doesn't matter. It's an violation of copyright.
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Hello!
Here are the developers of Locker Master, and we're always eager to discover new and interesting APPs!
If your APP is free, and most important--well designed,
please post
Your APP name:
Description:
Link to Google Play:
in this thread.
We'll try this app and give a pertinent comments and rate on Google Play!
The really amazing app would have a chance to be free recommended in the sidebar of Locker Master!
We're looking forward to your reply!
Can the Free Android game be reviewed?
Fyerwong said:
Can the Free Android game be reviewed?
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Yes, no problem.
Grand Battle--MMO Strategy:War
Game name:Grand Battle--MMO Strategy:War
Type:Strategy
Description:Grand Battle is a realistic MMO which you need to use strategy to lead your army, tanks, and real battle forces to launch a bloody war against your enemy in the fierce battlefield.You will experience lifelike scenes, realistic fierce historical battles and military weapons similar like Red Alert. In Grand Battle, historical battle is held within the same server among players from all over the world such as China, Japan, South Korea, Middle East, America and Europe. So you can build alliances with your friends, your country mates, or players from all over the world.
Link to Google Play:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.grand.battle.game.war&hl=zh_CN
Hi. Can You please check my app?
(I'm too rookie to post links) pl.booncol.subbr.subbrfree
Subbr is Android application for editing and converting movie subtitles.
You will never have to use your PC when it turns out subtitles do not match movie you are watching. Adjusting poorly synchronized subtitles is no longer a problem. You can validate and automatically fix detected errors by a single click. Finally save changes to selected format.
App have couple of key features that other subtitle apps don't have. Full list of features described on Google Play app page.
Check if You can make a review. Thanx
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booncol said:
Hi. Can You please check my app?
(I'm too rookie to post links) pl.booncol.subbr.subbrfree
Subbr is Android application for editing and converting movie subtitles.
You will never have to use your PC when it turns out subtitles do not match movie you are watching. Adjusting poorly synchronized subtitles is no longer a problem. You can validate and automatically fix detected errors by a single click. Finally save changes to selected format.
App have couple of key features that other subtitle apps don't have. Full list of features described on Google Play app page.
Check if You can make a review. Thanx
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Dear developer, I've tried this app. Tough there's Ad banner under the screen, it's very useful. But some how it can't open my mp4 shoted by my phone showing "no subtitles". Pls fix. Besides it could be better if you could add some guiding UI or instruction pages at the beginning of the program, when this app is opened by user at the first time. 5 stars. Keep it up!
Would you like to have a try on Locker Master? If find it good pls rate it. It won't disappoint you.
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Game name:Grand Battle--MMO Strategy:War
Type:Strategy
Description:Grand Battle is a realistic MMO which you need to use strategy to lead your army, tanks, and real battle forces to launch a bloody war against your enemy in the fierce battlefield.You will experience lifelike scenes, realistic fierce historical battles and military weapons similar like Red Alert. In Grand Battle, historical battle is held within the same server among players from all over the world such as China, Japan, South Korea, Middle East, America and Europe. So you can build alliances with your friends, your country mates, or players from all over the world.
Link to Google Play:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.grand.battle.game.war&hl=zh_CN
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Does this game only support tablet not mobile phone? If yes, pls wait for some time, because there aren't many tablets in our company and are full in use.
Lockermaster said:
Does this game only support tablet not mobile phone? If yes, pls wait for some time, because there aren't many tablets in our company and are full in use.
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No, it supports both Android phone and tablets which run Android 2.2+.
Fyerwong said:
Game name:Grand Battle--MMO Strategy:War
Type:Strategy
Description:Grand Battle is a realistic MMO which you need to use strategy to lead your army, tanks, and real battle forces to launch a bloody war against your enemy in the fierce battlefield.You will experience lifelike scenes, realistic fierce historical battles and military weapons similar like Red Alert. In Grand Battle, historical battle is held within the same server among players from all over the world such as China, Japan, South Korea, Middle East, America and Europe. So you can build alliances with your friends, your country mates, or players from all over the world.
Link to Google Play:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.grand.battle.game.war&hl=zh_CN
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Hello, Ni Linda has just installed the game and rated. Seems amazing! Any further suggestions will be posted here, too.
Pls also check Locker Master out, and rate if you like it.
Please review my bills management app.
App Name: Tangerine Bill Expense Manager(aka. Tangerine Personal Finance)
Description: Tangerine Personal Finance is a one stop shop for all your personal finance needs. Manage your bills, Track your spending, Know where most of your money is being spent, etc. Try Tangerine Personal Finance now to see how it can help you control all of your financial needs. No personal information or bank information is ever needed by the Tangerine Team, we give the control to you.
Play Store URL: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.softwareham.tangerinefree
TVShow Time
Hey!
If you've got the time, take a look at the updated version of our app, TVShow Time, which can be found by searching for TVShow Time on the Google Play store (sorry for not including a link, but I'm a new member so it won't let me).
It's a beautifully designed TV show tracker, plus a whole lot more. Let me know what you think!
The New Boston
The Official "TheNewBoston" application.
Learn and boost your productivity on the GO!
- Free Video Tutorials -
Videos in many categories for everyone at every level and grade from beginner to advanced.
The New Boston is App is made to give everyone the opportunity to learn anything and everything possible in a fun and easy manner at their own pace from hundreds of videos.
Please review and let me know what you think, thank you.
Link to Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Thenewboston
hafridi said:
Please review my bills management app.
App Name: Tangerine Bill Expense Manager(aka. Tangerine Personal Finance)
Description: Tangerine Personal Finance is a one stop shop for all your personal finance needs. Manage your bills, Track your spending, Know where most of your money is being spent, etc. Try Tangerine Personal Finance now to see how it can help you control all of your financial needs. No personal information or bank information is ever needed by the Tangerine Team, we give the control to you.
Play Store URL: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.softwareham.tangerinefree
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Hello, your app is rated by Akane Qiku.
Super app! Simple, clean and useful. It could be better if more kinds of currencies are supported, and the guiding UI made into animation instead of manual taping pages. Keep it up!
Pls take a look at Locker Master, too and rate it if you like it. Thank you
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Hello, your app is rated by Akane Qiku.
Super app! Simple, clean and useful. It could be better if more kinds of currencies are supported, and the guiding UI made into animation instead of manual taping pages. Keep it up!
Pls take a look at Locker Master, too and rate it if you like it. Thank you
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Thank you, I have reviewed your app as well. I am actually really surprised by it, I haven't actually kept a lock on my phone ever, but with the number of choices you offer, how can i resist! Thank you again for your suggestions, I shall definitely update that.
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Hey!
If you've got the time, take a look at the updated version of our app, TVShow Time, which can be found by searching for TVShow Time on the Google Play store (sorry for not including a link, but I'm a new member so it won't let me).
It's a beautifully designed TV show tracker, plus a whole lot more. Let me know what you think!
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Already reviewed by Akane Qiku. Really nice app! It helps me keep track with the TV shows. So far no problem. Could be super if with function "share on facebook/twitter". Keep it up!
Pls take a look at Locker Master, too and rate it if you like it. Thank you
Hello guys, since our group are leaving for holiday, and will come back one after another around Feb. 10. Review might be delayed, but we are certain to review every app in this thread one by one. Thank you
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The New Boston
The Official "TheNewBoston" application.
Learn and boost your productivity on the GO!
- Free Video Tutorials -
Videos in many categories for everyone at every level and grade from beginner to advanced.
The New Boston is App is made to give everyone the opportunity to learn anything and everything possible in a fun and easy manner at their own pace from hundreds of videos.
Please review and let me know what you think, thank you.
Link to Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Thenewboston
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Hello, your app is rated and commented by Akane Qiku. Pls KEEP IT UP.
Looking forward to your update.
Pls take a look at Locker Master, too and rate it if you like it. Thank you
Hi,
thanks for this awesome idea, here's my app:
APP name: FunctionCapture
Description:
Code:
Intuitive and efficient function plotting and analysis app. Features:
Capture up to 3 functions and save or share a high resolution picture
Draw all functions with the following math operators:
- Powers and roots (any radicand)
- Logarithmic operators with any base
- Trigonometric functions, including inverse and hyperbolic
- Constants like e and pi
- Conversions like round, truncate or absolute value
Full screen mode*
Analyses these values:
- Zeros
- Extrema*
- Intersection points
Table of Values
Completely offline
Lots of settings and customizations
Documentation of all operators
Link to Google Play: FunctionCapture - Google Play
Still working heavily on UI and performance, so don't judge me too hard , you might as well check out the latest beta in the xda Thread. Thanks in advance, I will definetely take a look at your app!
Your APP name: Weatherlove
Description:
It supports multiple cities, highly customizable widgets (fonts,
colours, clock shapes, ..), hourly weather data, 15 days forecast. If
you press on a day, or hour, you will find a detailed info about that
hour. App supports four themes, dark, light, light with dark action
bar and translucent. You can also see chances of the day in the left
drawer. In app-billing support will soon bring marine data, and more
than two cities that you can able to add like in free version. App is
ad supported, but also that will be removable via in-app purchase.
Your location is set either by geolocation or by manually entering a
town. App includes lock-screen widgets, resizeable widgets and
expandable notifications, 3 days or 3 hours, and current info if you
shrink the notification (JB+). It is also multi-lingual and users can
themselves translate Weatherlove easily to their own language via
http://translate.tfstoritve.com/projects/weatherlove/
App is consistent with Google's guidelines and has an easy and good
UX. It will not drain your battery, and will not use much phones
resources. App is designed to look good on phones, 7" inch tablet, 10"
should be designed shortly. At TFS we listen to people and are happy
to hear reviews and bug reports.
Also we have a community building up at
https://plus.google.com/communities/106313188237569588327 and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1541026
Some of the other features like graphs and some other goodies are just
around the corner.
Link to Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tfsolutions.weatherlove&hl=sl
[Free App] Mood Scanner
Your APP name:Mood Scanner
Description:Mood Scanner is an entertaining app which tries to detect your mood via your mobile device's touch screen.
Just place your thumb on the finger sensor and let the mood detector analyze your feelings.
Use Mood Scanner to test your friend's, family member's or someone else's feelings.
Compare their mood with your own and find out who is in a better or worse mood and share via Facebook and Twitter.
Scan your thumb print to see how you are currently feeling!
Place your thumb in the scanning area, wait for the scan and analysis to complete, and see what your current mood is!
This app does not actually scan your finger print since that is not possible, but it does a GREAT job fooling anyone!
- Great joke or prank app - Can fool anyone!
- Looks very realistic and convincing!
- Even includes progress bars for analyzing and processing!
- Simple, easy-to-use interface and design!
- Use it again and again! The accuracy of the mood detection might surprise you!
Link to Google Playlay.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dk8.moodscanner
Plz share your review...
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If you need more information please drop me a message.
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Hi everyone,
A week a go, I have released a bubble shooter game in PlayStore.
Its name is Bubble Cradle. I Couldn't post links yet
These are the things I have done to promote my app:
1] youtube video
2] facebook post
3] google+ share
4] Show link in settings screen of a few of my other live wallpaper apps.
I am not doing any kind of paid promotion.
I saw a few posts in xda developers that they make >100$ a day even without any kind of promotion.
At this point I am not looking for anything near that.
10$ daily can be considered as success for my first game.
I would like to hear from all the experts here, on what all I am doing wrong with my app, as well as marketing.
How do you feel about the quality of the game? How much I need to improve before I can even hope to get anything near 100$ a day.
NOTE: It is a free game with Admob banners as well as Interstitials.
Thanks,
-Valyannan.
Recently I was trying hard to find a mobile ads platform however it ended up pretty frustrated. It seems non of them support keywords or demographic targeting except choosing categories(racing, action etc.), genders or ages. In the end I can only turn to Facebook or Twitter for a more specific targeting (people who loves multiplayer and fishing, etc.)
Do you have same problem with me? Does anybody know any mobile ads platform that can allow me target those features?
Thanks in advance!
What about adsense? Works pretty well for me.
I've just started a campaign with AdMob and Facebook. The facebook ads move really slowly for now (40 impressions/day) and the AdMob campaign hasn't been approved yet but I will post my results once I know more.
Admob
admob is probably the best , i also like adbuddiz , but admob gives the best revenue.
I would suggest choosing an ad network with good support, that might prevent problems from the start. Try AdMob or MillenialMedia. Mobfox is good as well!
We use Applovin, Chartboost and Vungle video ads. Admob is also a good choice.
Tried Adbuddiz, but were not so happy with perforance.