Hey guys;
I'm here for a general question that I can't seem to find a solution phone. A little background:
I have two phones. One phone for work, one phone for personal. Personal is Galaxy S5 and work is Galaxy S4 Active.
I have two bluetooth devices a Martian Smart Watch, and an LG stereo headset.
The headset connects with two phones, but instead of both being default, there's a default and a backup, so if I charge, go out of range, turn off, anything, it becomes a pain in the ass to try to reconnect both. The watch is a smart watch, only connects to one device. So I'm looking into options to make two devices into one.
I've come across a few options. However, I've come to find issues with each.
Use a dual sim adapter-however I haven't come across an Active Dual Sim adapter. So I can not receive calls from both at any time, just the one that's active.
Buy a different model dual sim phone, but I haven't found a good reliable place to do this.
Try a "mirroring" method? I haven't found an actual solution for this, but it's a hypothis that something like this has to exist. Maybe an app on both phones, leave my work phone at home on the charger 24/7, and carry my personal. Any calls coming in from my work get sent through the app on my personal, and can make calls through the app on my personal that will show up from my work number.
Call forwarding on one device-but then there's no way to dial out or text from that devices phone number.
I've heard some rumors about google voice and porting a number over to it. Then using the google voice app to text or call. Anyone got information regarding this?
I dunno, I'm at a loss. Anyone found any good solutions for this?
Bleyld said:
I haven't come across an Active Dual Sim adapter. So I can not receive calls from both at any time, just the one that's active.
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You want a phone that has two SIMs simultaneously active. So do a lot of a lot of other people. But the phone manufacturer's must not perceive a large market for the demand as I haven't seen anyone bring a commercial product like that to market. There are dual SIM phones, but either one SIM is inactive i.e. you choose to boot into one SIM or the other. Or one SIM is GSM and one is CDMA, apparently for mixed-technology markets in China.
It isn't impossible. I know of a very small number of people running custom firmware that multiplexes access to the SIM, effectively checking if there are calls for each SIM in rapid succession. In effect that monitors incoming calls for both SIMs. But again, I haven't noticed any commercial models that do that. You should do a search and see if you can find a manufacturer with a true dual SIM phone.
In practical terms though, you could simply have your second number forward to your single SIM phone. The only obvious impediment to that is if your carrier plan has excessive call forwarding charges. Google voice is often helpful in this to avoid miscellaneous forwarding or airtime fees or for greater call management flexibility. You may not need a second cellular number at all if you can use a GV number for line two and then forward incoming GV calls to your mobile.
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In Japan, phones can play a msg and record voicemail in the phone itself, so you don't have to dial some server somewhere to retrieve voicemail and pay carrier costs. Is there anything like that for WM?
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That's more of a carrier service.....not something u can install.
that's the point. You install software so you don't use a carrier service. It can't be hard, accept a call, stream to a .wav
but too many are happy to pay the carrier fees I guess...
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that's the point. You install software so you don't use a carrier service. It can't be hard, accept a call, stream to a .wav
but too many are happy to pay the carrier fees I guess...
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Because from what i've seen of such services, it's integrated from the carrier itself into whichever handsets it chooses too. You can't do it via 3rd party add ons unless the carrier itself chooses to open their requirements to do so.
It appears to be easy, but unless you know how to reverse engineer the method the carrier uses, good luck. Besides, who's to know when the carrier will just change a simple spec to disable it once they catch on? It's an endless race.
it's not a spec, it's the phone accepting a call - it's capable of doing that. you already have a setting to auto accept after X rings.
then it's saving to a file, there are sound recorder programs in WM already. If it can play the sound via the speaker, it can save the file.
there is nothing to do with the carrier itself. the carrier sees your phone accepting a call, that's it.
You can use phone fusion plus.
http://phonefusion.com/
I used it for a while but T-mobile USA has one built in now so I've switched back. It's not exactly what your describing but it's close. It bypasses the carriers voice mail and stores the file on their server. The only thing you need to pay for is a text message and data to download. If you want to bypass thoes charges I can't help.
I would like this function too, not so much for my current phone, more for my Diamond where I have a pay as you go card with no credit. I simply use it for receiving calls in the house as my Virgin phone doesn't get a very good signal but I often get voicemail messages that I can't listen to.
Obviously if the phone is switched off or out of signal the call will be redirected to the carrier voicemail but if the phone is able to receive the call I would have thought it would be able to accept the call, play a message that I record on my device to the caller and then record what they say until the call disconnects. Maybe we're starting to get into the realms of the In Call Recorder that seems to be problematic.
Terrific idea.
Never thought of it.
I'd suggest you google for it.
Found something like iSecretary for instance, haven't tried it though.
You do realize that you should keep your standard provider voicemail in case your phone is out of reach?
Goodluck and let us know if you've found something useful.
I was wondering if you clever devs could look into adding phone functionality to the adam 3g model ?
it should be capable and would be handy for the odd occasions with a bluetooth headset.
The early tablets and recently at ces the tablet had phone icons on the desktop so im sure its at least a possibility !!
many thanks in advance
On the Battery Use, I have seen a "Phone" process.
Maybe it is already activated, but not used
You can get to the phone section via "contacts" but when you try to make a call it says "call ended" after you hit the call button. From the FCC docs, it says that the Ericcson F3307 3G card is "voice" capable so in theory it is possible! The only thing even close to phone functionality that does work is the sending/receiving SMS messages atm.
Just a shot in the dark, but does google voice's data calling use the same process?
yes and it sucks. it only stinks that the google voice works over data and not wifi. so i cant make a call over wifi if i dont have a valid sim card in.
Does it exist on tis tab?
how about on
http://www.sierrawireless.com/Newsr...Wireless_4G_LTE_Mobile_Broadband_Network.aspx
which may be the card going in the xoom?
Lastly if the hardware exists on an lte device, should it be possible to make calls work by switching the sim card with a lte phone sim?
I think that if you would like to place phone calls with your Xoom using the cell radio its possible to find a way. Verizon might not be happy with it.
However, Its the hard way to place calls.
Sigh up with a VoIP provider, and use a SIP Client.
I like a provider named Vitelity. You can port your number to them if you would like. They are very inexpensive, and very reliable. (or use Skype, or anyone else.)
Then, use a SIP dialer and a Bluetooth headset on your Xoom. I am doing just that using Verizon 3g and it works great.
I have signed up for skype and have a number, but skype seems to have no interest in real BT support, neither does Google. If I could force Skype to use the mic on a BT< I could likely live with it, but AFAIK that is not possible.
This all be in another forum, however I am using CSIPSimple and it supports my plantronic BT voyager 510, (on Honeycomb)
http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-510&skuId=sku4610016
And, CSIPSimple opens the default Android Dialer (Which is in Honeycomb) to send and receive calls.
Would you mind testing it to be sure?
If so, place a call, leave your pad and walk like 15 feet and see if you are still heard.
Please don't be offended, I have just had WAY to many people say the same thing as you, only to find out A2DP let them hear, and they were using the tab mic without knowing it.
Hmmm.. I will check later tonight. That is a good question.
Thanks young... anyone else use csip too?
The hardware is capable, the problem is with the provisioning. Verizon adds feature codes to block voice and SMS on their tablet data plans.
what stops us from switching sims later to make our tablets look like a phone?
Morkai Almandragon said:
what stops us from switching sims later to make our tablets look like a phone?
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There is no sim to switch.
Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
So then? Any tablet outside of the us ( or Verizon) is able
To standard phonecalls?
I'm in the uk and I was planning to buy the 3g version but if I still have to carry a phone to txt or call, i'll choose the WiFi one, save 200 bucks, and tether with my nexus when needed although I'm not very happy with the idea of carrying multiple devices...
Btw , 3g version has been priced in.....600 pounds! What are they playing at? If I finally choose wifionly I'll buy for sure in the US, screw carphone and pcworld..
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I think you are asking a question that no one can answer at the moment.
LTE does use a SIM card, but, NO devices are currently available on Verizon's LTE network yet, so no one knows what happens if you switch LTE SIM cards between devices.
I also think that LTE devices use a VoIP type of voice connection, something different then how voice is done on CDMA. This new type of connection allows data and Voice to operate at the same time. This functionality, this Software dialer stack would need to be included in Honeycomb, which is not a phone Android distribution.
Young dud you test the bluetooth mic with csip?
Yes. I I have found is that I do have two way audio, all on the Bluetooth headset using csip, I walked around my house, leaving the Xoom several rooms away.
While in WiFi, Bluetooth audio was sketchy at best. For most calls, I could not get the headset in engage for the call. While in the call I would press Bluetooth on the dialer, and nothing would happen, or the audio would cut in and out, before engaging, or a few times I would have to press 'Speaker", then Bluetooth, then Speaker again before it would engage. When it would engage in WiFi I did have two way audio.
While in 3G, with WiFi Off, the connection with Bluetooth was perfect every time. No issues. The call call quality overall was a bit less then with WiFi, however Bluetooth worked correctly.
UPDATE: I just had a bad Bluetooth connection issue on 3G. So, it is spotty. It might be because CSip uses the default Android dialer which might be incomplete in some way on Honeycomb.
I should try another SIP app. But Bluetooth does have two way audio when I can get it to connect.
So This might sound a little odd.
I am moving about the country quite a bit in the next few months, and I work in northern bc/alaska where there is no cell towers. I am curious if it is possible to get a data only sim for my phone and use google voice with my number ported over. Or possibly a SIP account with a number. I use my phone on wifi where I am working currently and I use skype, works great but I cant get a canadian skype number which means no one can call my existing phone number and have it get through to me.
I Dislike the Idea of having to switch a whole bunch of providers and I like the idea of getting a data sim and just having a flat monthly rate. But is that even possible?
Any ideas/suggestions?
Worst case I can get a new number from my provider and have my existing number ported to google voice, as I am on an unlimited data plan but then I am still paying for all the extras of having a phone and not just data. I really would like to keep my existing number as I have had it forever and use it for work purposes.
Not in the exact situation as you, but similar. I travel outside of the country often and usually have wifi (hotel, etc.). Groove IP from the market is the easiest solution. As long as you have data 3g/4g/wifi, you can receive and make calls to any US number using your google voice number. It has a separate dialer, but you can set it to use the native dialer as well (it will prompt you if you want to use grooveip or regular cell towers). Just read the instructions on it well (forwarding calls to google chat), and it's the best $5 I've spent. No hassle.
Obviously, the better data signal you have, the better the call quality is.
(I am not affiliated with Groove IP in any way)
Hmm well that app actually does almost exactly what I would like to do. Thanks for the info.
Hello all. Im pretty excited about my nexus 7 lte so i figured i would help grow this currently small section on it. Having verizon and knowing how people have complained about not being able to activate their tablet on it, I came up with a pretty good way to swap your sim card into it without missing phone calls. I made a youtube video about it but I will also explain it briefly here.
you tube (dot) com (forwardslash) watch?v=GFkIR1elWug
Here are the apps you need on your phone:
Google voice
simple call forwarding (optional but the included widget makes life so much easier)
The apps needed for your tablet:
GrooveIP (or talkatone, I have both but prefer grooveIP) {Check Autostart in the App settings}
RFRSH- Refresh for Android (optional, but the autostart makes the dialer your first screen if you want to make a call)
(Root and bootloader unlocking NOT needed on either)
Basically, you set up google voice on your phone with a number.
then you set up simple call forwarding by selecting your carrier and the google voice number.
add the included widget to your homescreen and click on it to toggle it on.
the widget will place a brief call resulting in all mobile calls being forwarded to your google voice number.
An icon will show in the top left corner reminding you that call forwarding is on. You can power off your phone.
Remove microsim from phone and place into sim tray of nexus 7 using included sim tray key.
Power on tablet.
Set up grooveIP to use your googlevoice number to make calls. Try calling your house to verify it is working. It will also handle
text messages but they are only from your google voice number. {Use Verizon Messages app on your tablet to send sms.}
(Using the latest cyanogenmod builds on your phone include voice+ which allows you to text through any app with your google voice number.
This is a good incentive to ditch your text messaging plan and use google voice for all your texting anyway.)
Launch refresh for android. In the launcher tab, add grooveIP to the list so it autostarts at every boot up.
Reboot your tablet to verify it worked. It might take a few seconds but it should automatically load grooveip. This ensures you
never miss a call since call forwarding is on and you never forget to load the app since it autostarts.
To deactivate when youre done with your tablet-
Power off tablet. remove microsim and place in phone.
Power on phone. Once booted up, click on simple call forwarding widget to toggle of call forwarding.
It will place a brief call to turn off call forwading. Once it is off, you are back to normal!
I hope this has helped a few people. It works great so far. Let me know if you have a better way to do it. I am still working on the SMS part of it.:laugh:
~sigh~ dude really?
There's so much wrong with this post that its impressive.
1-No you do not need to use RFRSH to make GrooveIP auto-start, you just have to set GrooveIP to autostart in its settings
2-What does activating a SIM in a phone have to do with anything?
3-Using a Verizon phone SIM card means you're using a "phone" plan as opposed to a data only plan. This will cost a lot more money and is forbidden by the Verizon terms of use in the contract you signed when you got your phone plan. Gotta love wasting moneys!
4-None of this Google Voice-related information is new and none of it is specific to the Nexus 7 in any capacity.
5-This is a DEVELOPER forum and, as it explains at the top of the forum, not a place for you to be posting this sort of thing, especially when this is literally your first XDA post, and in the first paragraph of said post you ask people to go check out your YouTube page.
Maybe go troll for traffic somewhere else?
Well, I think he is just very proud that he got it working.
But...there is a simpler way.
Verizon provides free call forwarding at this web page:
https://wbillpay.verizonwireless.com/vzw/secure/services/CallForward.action
You can forward only if no answer, or forward immediately.
I use forward if no answer, and my tapatalk app starts ringing on the 4th or 5th ring.
Verizon also provides a free texting app which can be used on PC or tablets.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.verizon.messaging.vzmsgs&hl=en
Once it is setup you can even power off your phone and still send and receive texts from PC or tablet.
So, I don't need to make a uTube video of it.
And yes, this probably belongs in the General forum.
HowardZ said:
Well, I think he is just very proud that he got it working.
But...there is a simpler way.
Verizon provides free call forwarding at this web page:
https://wbillpay.verizonwireless.com/vzw/secure/services/CallForward.action
You can forward only if no answer, or forward immediately.
I use forward if no answer, and my tapatalk app starts ringing on the 4th or 5th ring.
Verizon also provides a free texting app which can be used on PC or tablets.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.verizon.messaging.vzmsgs&hl=en
Once it is setup you can even power off your phone and still send and receive texts from PC or tablet.
So, I don't need to make a uTube video of it.
And yes, this probably belongs in the General forum.
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correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't verizon charge like $0.10 per minute per forwarded call regardless whether it's nights and weekend or the minutes or you have in your plan?
diablofreak said:
correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't verizon charge like $0.10 per minute per forwarded call regardless whether it's nights and weekend or the minutes or you have in your plan?
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http://support.verizonwireless.com/support/features/calling_features/call_forwarding.html
Call Forwarding is automatically included with new activations, and there are no subscription fees for the service. However, airtime charges apply to all forwarded calls according to your calling plan, even when forwarding to a landline.
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I do not think there is any method of forwarding calls from Verizon without it using your plan's minutes. So it is best to tell people your google voice telephone number, and use tapatalk/grooveIP on both phone and tablet.
Regards
P. S. Call forwarding during nights and weekends
https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/794117
http://www.howardforums.com/printthread.php?t=172532&styleid=46
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~sigh~ dude really?
There's so much wrong with this post that its impressive.
1-No you do not need to use RFRSH to make GrooveIP auto-start, you just have to set GrooveIP to autostart in its settings
2-What does activating a SIM in a phone have to do with anything?
3-Using a Verizon phone SIM card means you're using a "phone" plan as opposed to a data only plan. This will cost a lot more money and is forbidden by the Verizon terms of use in the contract you signed when you got your phone plan. Gotta love wasting moneys!
4-None of this Google Voice-related information is new and none of it is specific to the Nexus 7 in any capacity.
5-This is a DEVELOPER forum and, as it explains at the top of the forum, not a place for you to be posting this sort of thing, especially when this is literally your first XDA post, and in the first paragraph of said post you ask people to go check out your YouTube page.
Maybe go troll for traffic somewhere else?
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~sigh~ You probably felt the same way I felt after reading your post- surprised and annoyed.
I'm glad you are impressed. It was my first post, after all.
1- You are correct. I bought GrooveIP a long time ago and the version either did not have the autostart option or I missed it. Either way, you did provide this shred of beneficial information in your post. For that I thanK YOU.
2- Verizon will NOT allow you to activate the Nexus 7 LTE on their network even though it works fine. I'd post a youtube link with more information, but you might mistake it for trolling so I'll just tell you to GOOGLE it.
3- If you want to whine about the terms of Verizon's contract then do it somewhere else because you're preaching to deaf ears. This is a forum for people to use rooting and roms and tethering and plenty of other things Verizon doesn't want us to do yet here we are exploring options and learning new things. Those of us grandfathered on the unlimited data plan are not wasting money- this is who benefits from this. I guess you weren't that lucky. Don't worry, its ok.
4- I never said nor implied the Goole Voice information is new. When you think of it, just about everything on the web is recycled. This IS specific to the Nexus 7 LTE. Try to find another tablet that works on Verizon's LTE network that they WILL NOT let you activate. There are no others. This is a solution to help people who bought the tablet for Verizon and can't use it.
5- I did not see what you are mentioning at the top of the forum but I did find the forum rules. Here is Rule 2.3 for YOU
"2.3 Flaming / Lack of respect: XDA is about sharing which does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) or rudeness. Flaming or posting with a lack of respect is not acceptable. Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can, showing respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner." If a moderator could kindly move this thread to the General section, I'd appreciate it.
I never asked anyone to check out my youtube video. I mentioned that I made a video. People can check it out for clarification if they want to.
I wrote my intentions in the beginning- "i would help grow this currently small section". This is not trolling.
I used to belong to a different forum for a few years until I got fed up when it became a bloodbath of the veterans picking on the newbies. See Rule 2.3 again, dude.
(HowardZ, you have been thanked.)
Linked your link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkIR1elWug
Good stuff. Thanks for the information. I've always wanted to dabble with GrooveIP and my Google Voice number. I have a good setup now, but it would be cool to play around to see if I could benefit from any of it.
Ok, the thread has been moved to the proper section. I also updated the Youtube video to explain how to autostart GrooveIP in its settings tab and to use Verizon Messages app to send sms on your tablet.
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Ok, the thread has been moved to the proper section. I also updated the Youtube video to explain how to autostart GrooveIP in its settings tab and to use Verizon Messages app to send sms on your tablet.
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I have been finding that whether I use GrooveIP (paid version) or Talkatone (free version), that sometimes the tablet does not receive incoming calls, and the calls instead go to Google Voice voice-mail.
I have moved the microSIM card back to my phone, because I do not want to miss calls.
Reliability is more important.
So, currently I keep the SIM in my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Cyanogenmod with WiFi teather turned ON all the time. Then on my tablet (stock rooted) I use the "WIFI Prioritizer" free app so that the tablet will only auto connect to the S4 Wifi hotspot as the last resort - the last choice among all other WiFi hotspots stored in the phone. So I carry the S4 in a holster on my hip and will only use it for phone calls. For texts I use the Verizon messaging app on the tablet, and of course email and anything for the internet looks much better on the tablet.
I'd prefer to do everything on the Nexus 7 LTE and leave the phone powered off. But any VOIP solution must answer all phone calls - it needs to be rock solid reliable.
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I have been finding that whether I use GrooveIP (paid version) or Talkatone (free version), that sometimes the tablet does not receive incoming calls, and the calls instead go to Google Voice voice-mail.
I have moved the microSIM card back to my phone, because I do not want to miss calls.
Reliability is more important.
So, currently I keep the SIM in my Samsung Galaxy S4 running Cyanogenmod with WiFi teather turned ON all the time. Then on my tablet (stock rooted) I use the "WIFI Prioritizer" free app so that the tablet will only auto connect to the S4 Wifi hotspot as the last resort - the last choice among all other WiFi hotspots stored in the phone. So I carry the S4 in a holster on my hip and will only use it for phone calls. For texts I use the Verizon messaging app on the tablet, and of course email and anything for the internet looks much better on the tablet.
I'd prefer to do everything on the Nexus 7 LTE and leave the phone powered off. But any VOIP solution must answer all phone calls - it needs to be rock solid reliable.
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How is your battery after leaving wifi tether on all the time? Does tasker have a profile to use it only at certain times? i guess it must be a lot better than mine- the galaxy nexus i just replaced ran out of juice too quickly for that to be an option. With my new moto x, that may be an option i will try, especially since they use different size sim cards- need adapter.
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How is your battery after leaving wifi tether on all the time? Does tasker have a profile to use it only at certain times? i guess it must be a lot better than mine- the galaxy nexus i just replaced ran out of juice too quickly for that to be an option. With my new moto x, that may be an option i will try, especially since they use different size sim cards- need adapter.
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Short answer: 5% to 10% per hour battery consumption on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (verizon) using the latest Cyanogenmod 10.2
The phone consumed 18% battery for the last 3 hours 7 minutes. However the entire time I have been in a WiFi area, so the N7LTE is not WiFi connected to the phone. The phone's WiFi hotspot is ON, but I suspect its LTE radio will use more battery power if it actually has data to transmit on behalf of the tablet.
I do not use Tasker.
It is nice that the N7LTE tablet and my Samsung Galaxy S4 (verizon) use the same size SIM card.
However, you should consider the following:
1. The vast majority of the time I am in a WiFi area. This means the N7LTE tablet is not WiFi connected to the phone. This is assured by using the free "WiFi Prioritizer" app. Minimizing use of the phone's Wifi hotspot assures lower plan data usage (I do not have unlimited data).
2. The phone is only touched for phone calls, so at some point I think it goes to deep sleep which reduces battery usage. Or perhaps Wifi Hotspot being on will not allow it to go to sleep?
3. Texts are handled by the free Verizon Messaging app running on the tablet - because all apps look and operate nicer on a tablet.
4. Phone is only used for actual voice cell phone calls.
There are other alternatives I can use, but they will modestly increase the monthly costs. For example I can move the phone's verizon microSIM card back into the N7LTE and:
1. Pay Skype $5 per month for a SKYPE phone number and $3 per month for unlimited calling to USA real phone numbers. Skype has a reputation of working very well - unlike google voice. This is back to carrying around only the N7LTE tablet, but paying for Skype because Google Voice is not reliable for me. OR,
2. Activate one of my old verizon dumb-phones for $10 per month and use that for actual phone calls. In this scenario the tablet gets its DATA via the verizon microSIM card inside it via LTE. A dumb phone is much smaller and lighter than a smart phone, and the battery charge lasts much much longer.