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[Q] Flash player 10.1 on Toshiba Folio 100

Hello,
I just received my Toshiba folio 100 with android 2.2. I'm trying to install 10.1 version of adobe flash since 2 hours but without success.
Has anyone already done it?
There's no Android Market on this device. I've downloaded the 10.1.95.2 apk file and installed it, but it froze my browser.
Any help would be welcomed.
Thanks,
Pedro

Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.

It has Opera Mobile 10 doesn't it? would that version work for other phones as well?

cmit37 said:
Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.
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Not that great, and not coming to the US either.
Toshiba Folio 100 preview
By Paul Miller posted Sep 2nd 2010 12:21PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/toshiba-folio-100-preview/
We just got to handle the Folio 100, after witnessing it bolted to a wall earlier, and we have to admit that it's lighter and thinner than it looks at first glance. Unfortunately, it still feels pretty cheap, and we're not sure how much we trust ourselves one-handing something this large and fragile seeming. Our brief glimpse of Toshiba's custom skin on here was most depressing -- it's not final, but we're not sure why Toshiba is even bothering showing anything in this abysmal state. The bits we've seen of Toshiba's market (for music, apps, e-books and so forth) look a bit better, but as far as we know there's no official Android Market on this thing -- a kiss of death for almost any Android device. Toshiba's biggest failure here, however, is probably the LCD it sourced for this tablet -- the screen looks as cheap and low res as could be, and while a €399 list price is decent for a tablet this size, it hardly seems a good excuse to stoop to KIRF-level components. Hit up the gallery for all the angles, along with some comparison shots with the mind share monopolizing iPad.
Update: We just heard from Toshiba's US team and there are apparently no plans to bring the Folio 100 stateside. Given our lackluster first impressions, we can't say we're all that upset by that...
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I can't seem to find anywhere this Toshiba Folio can be purchased yet, it's apparently supposed to be released October 2010 for £329.
A dump of that Opera Mobile should be interesting as it's not going to be out yet for Android publicly probably for a little bit longer. It's been shown off since February and here's a video on the Galaxy S. It's the same guy in both videos but his hair seems to have green since February in the latest one.
Are there any other reports of Opera Mobile being preloaded on any other device?
About the Adobe Flash though, the press release here [PDF] advertises it's Adobe Flash 10.1 trueness so I would assume it's pre-installed like on the Froyo Galaxy S update (albeit not the latest version, it's always updating being Flash and all).
If you're trying to install it from a provided APK and it's crashing maybe it's because the NVIDIA Tegra2 the tablet's supposed to have is a dual core chip and Adobe needs to provide a special version for it (don't trust me on this).

Currys in Croydon has one on display. I had a play with it and haven't been very impressed.
Good:
- Android 2.2
- We plugged in a USB keyboard and it worked instantly and the sales advisor said that a USB mouse worked just as well.
- The Toshiba file browser makes it easy to access the USB port and the SD card (Full sized SD slot I think)
- Has four buttons on the side but I like the fact that you have to press them deliberately to activate them rather than just accidentally brushing over them and closing your app like with my Galaxy S.
- Tegra 2
Bad:
- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
If the Vega turns out to be a better quality product I will probably get it.

cmit37 said:
The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?

I got my Folio 100 today, and im looking forward to do some real nice modding here, and first get Market app working, as done on Eken M001, so that experience can easily help us here..
I know from my motorola and htc, that the flash player 10.1 you can download, does a model check, and is , as far as i know, only working on N1,desire,droid,milestone phones, maybe that check is no longer present..

cmit37 said:
- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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pricetag on it, is also for us in Denmark like 50% percent off almost.. so comparing to another galaxy pad or little cheaper ipad, im not sure you can expect LG lcd inside such a model, but ill see if the quality is acceptable.
most of them can be calibrated anyways, so if its a color issue, it can be fixed.
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- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
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All this is without modding, lets just get the modding started, and ill think less of what Toshiba accomplished and look at others when their packs are in place.
cmit37 said:
- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
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? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?

Paul22000 said:
Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?
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I live in UK

Dexter_nlb said:
? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?
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I don't know - I just expected the Tegra 2 Dual Core to just obliterate the single core CPU in the Galaxy S. I have no doubt that the Folio is a great platform to loads apps on I just expected a lot more of it considering it costs £130 more than the Advent Vega in the UK.
That said if someone gave me one I would sing it's praises
Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
On a side not I upgraded my Galaxy S to Froyo today and it is so cool playing all flash content, chrome2phone etc

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Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
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not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
cmit37 said:
I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
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and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.

Dexter_nlb said:
not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.
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Toshiba is expecting to release flash for the FOLIO during next week (expected 10th). This should be available through Toshiba Market.
/Kevin (DK)

Out of all the Android tablets the only 2 that shine is the Toshiba Folio 100 and the Advent Vega.
Why?
Well firstly they're both >8.8" so you get a generous dose of screen-estate and the form factor is still nimble/small. These could substitute for netbooks but 7" tablets cannot imho.
Secondly they're generous in they're offerings (BT, Wifi, HDMI, USB host, SD slot) and high-performance.
I live in Australia so we always get devices a little later than US/UK. So for me the availability does not matter as the transaction would occur through the internet.
I may be importing an Advent Vega or a Toshiba Folio 100 ... so I am eagerly waiting for reviews (none available yet, just Google'd).
What will be the general deciding factor would be:
1) Display.
We know that Froyo supports only upto 600p. We know both devices have 10.1" TFT screens, so I hope they've kept the gloss to a minimum.
We know Toshiba Folio 100 has a 600p display and the Advent Vega was leaked to have a 600p resolution. However, in a recent video (@3:20) the PR says videos play above 720p but below 1080p on the Vega. This implies 1366x768 resolution which would mean (once Gingerbread is ported) sharp graphics, no need to convert videos, possible to watch digital TV.
These are huge advantages over the Folio 100, but it could've been said accidentally and he may have meant to say "the device can playback more than 720p but less than 1080p content via videoOUT but not on the device screen". If this is the case its upsetting because Tegra2 is supposed to be able to smoothly playback 1080p video ... so this implies a performance bottleneck (most likely by a smaller 512Mb RAM, if not then a lack of drivers).
2) Performance.
I've already gotten into the subject; which one has more RAM? Both have the same Tegra2 SoC which is supposed to be blazing fast, but if it only had 512Mb RAM it would only be as fast as the current-highend (Galaxy S, Desire Z, Droid2). And would mean it might jitter at the performance-intensive applications we currently have, and one's we will have in the future.
3) Battery life.
We don't know the REAL battery life on either device, must wait for reviews.
4) General build/features.
They're pretty even as far as "hands-on" describes but the Toshiba is slightly ahead because it has an SD slot (cheaper cards) than Vega's microSD. Also the Toshiba has a removable battery which the Vega may not have (unknown at the moment). The Toshiba has 3G connectivity, which the Vega lacks but may get in 2011Q1.
5) Price.
Wait and see.
Currently I'm hooked on the Advent Vega (name reminds me of Vegeta) and the prospect of a 720p tablet. I don't care much for the price, if the Advent Vegeta really gets a 720p screen and 1GB RAM I would easily overlook its shortcomings (No Market, No 3G, microSD, nonremovable-battery, plastic build) I would be happy to pay in the iPad range
.... I will get Market hacked, MIUI loaded, tether (I've already got 2GB/month on my GalaxyS) hehehe

I got mine yesterday. I think they are a little on the crazy side releaseing this table so early as people will give it negative feedback based on their expereince. This device is not ready for the general public. If your technical you can work you way around it, but you need to be at developer level to get this performing to its bes. Im going to hang on to mine for a while, although no flash player or sound when im playing video files and a slightly dodgy HDMI port are worrying me.
be nice if we could get a folio device section on here....

second that with the need for a Folio section
Has anyone had any problems with the DNLA or UPnP? I cant get mine working when all the other devices like xbox, archos and pcs all find the UPnp server

I had the Folio 100 for a while but returned it, I started a thread on Modaco with all my info.
Short version:
Current flash APK crashes _hard_ it will not work without an update from Adobe or Tosh (or the OEM that really made it)
All the games I tried wouldn't run at all. Either they were trying to rely on /mnt/sdcard (which doesn't exist due to the way they mount the internal memory), the opengles lib segfaulted (Look like the drivers are alpha quality) or they used the Android market call-home anti-piracy check, which fails due to not having the market.
Also the deep power-save it goes into could get stuck (and would always kill adb when the screen went off)
The OS is signed with the SDK _test keys_ (talk about amateur mistake)
IMHO, combined with the _terrible_ screen I'd steer clear until the software is updated at the least.

I think that we need a Folio section too.

A Test2 build seems to be out ...
Working for live stream of the F1 practice.
Still beta as it managed to reboot the Folio just now

CHECK YOUR TOSHIBA SERVICE STATION PEOPLE FLASH PLUGIN BETA AVAILABLE!!!!!!!
Working well on BBC Iplayer!

Nice7" Android Tablets - Like the Fire, half the price

UPDATE: There's an even better version out now. See this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598783
I got a 7" Android tablet on Amazon for a killer deal (I paid $129, but now it's at like $119). Here's the link.
It's almost identical to my friends Kindle fire and was almost half the cost. Here's the specs:
1.0 ghz processor (overclocked to 1.3)
7" capacitive screen (screen response is great)
4gb mem
512mb RAM
USB OTG host compatible (this is great. Plug in you portable hard drive and watch movies, use a USB keyboard, etc. Comes with the host cable).
HDMI out
MicroSD card slot (up to 32gb)
Comes with a USB host cable, USB cable to plug it into your computer (this will even charge the tablet even though it also comes with a proprietary wall charger) and of course the proprietary wall charger.
So far I haven't had any issues with it at all. Streams netflix great, I loaded ADW launcher and a couple themes,a few games and other apps and everything works very well.
The HDMI it uses is a mini HDMI port, not micro. It has a proprietary charger. UPDATE: I plugged it onto my computer and found it will in fact charge when plugged into a power source via the mini USB port!!! . It came rooted! I installed ad free and titanium backup pro and both work without any issues (blocks ads, can freeze system apps I don't like, etc.). I also installed super user, but it doesn't appear to need it.
I've also installed AnTuTu CPU master. At first I was able to clock it to 1488mhz no problem, but for some reason now it freezes when I clock over 1296 (but is stable at 1296). I don't really care about the over clocking though and usually have it set lower to save battery.
It came with documents to go, flash 11, adobe reader, google maps, all the basic apps you'd need. It also came with super HD player, up to 2160p support for HDMI out (although I never use this so I can't really comment on it's performance. I just checked the HDMI out once using a 700mb movie file on Mobo player)
Another thing I like is how fast it boots. like 35 seconds from power on till its ready to use. MUCH faster than my XOOM. It does freeze up sometimes, usually not the whole device, just I have to kill and reload apps sometimes. Not a huge deal and for the price so well worth it.
If you're looking for a a inexpensive 7" tablet, I don't think you'll find a better deal. Hope this helps!
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions!

How's the HDMI output and does it come with a miniUSB charger or one of those stupid proprietary chargers like those cheap Coby tablets use? What about hackability? Have you rooted it? This sounds like the tablet I've been waiting for......

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How's the HDMI output and does it come with a miniUSB charger or one of those stupid proprietary chargers like those cheap Coby tablets use? What about hackability? Have you rooted it? This sounds like the tablet I've been waiting for......
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The HDMI is fine (mini HDMI port, not micro). It has a proprietary charger (bummer)UPDATE it will in fact also charge via the mini USB port!!!. It came rooted! I installed ad free and titanium backup pro and both work without any issues (blocks ads, can freeze system apps I don't like, etc.). I also installed super user, but it doesn't appear to need it.
I've also installed AnTuTu CPU master. At first I was able to clock it to 1488mhz no problem, but for some reason now it freezes when I clock over 1296 (but is stable at 1296). I don't really care about the over clocking though and usually have it set lower to save battery.
It came with documents to go, flash 11, adobe reader, google maps, all the basic apps you'd need. It also came with super HD player, up to 2160p support for HDMI out (although I never use this so I can't really comment on it's performance. I just checked the HDMI out once using a 700mb movie file on Mobo player)
Another thing I like is how fast it boots. like 35 seconds from power on till its ready to use. MUCH faster than my XOOM. It does freeze up sometimes, usually not the whole device, just I have to kill and reload apps sometimes. Not a huge deal and for the price so well worth it.
Hope this helps!

Seriously about to buy this so I can use it as a portable emulator. Wonder if any of my controllers would work
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Just ordered one After reading your review I think it's worth the risk. That proprietary charger isn't that big of a deal considering the rest of the package.

754boy said:
Just ordered one After reading your review I think it's worth the risk. That proprietary charger isn't that big of a deal considering the rest of the package.
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Let me know what you think of it and if you happen to come by any place I can get a custom ROM (that would be ideal). Thanks!

I know a couple of people here have got this tablet and was wondering if anyone has tried or will try to flash this clockwork mod recovery?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378594
I'm a little nervous to try it myself... If anyone has done this let me know how it worked out. Thanks!

I am not trying to rain on your parade, but the screen resolution (WVGA 800x480) is really horrible for a 7" tablet. You could make out each individual pixel with naked eyes.
It also seems like it's based on a bargain basement Cortex A8 single-core processor. It's difficult to find any credible spec on the "BOXCHIP A10".
All things considered, why not just go with the Kindle Fire? It's got a better display (at least resolution/density-wise) and a better CPU (no name single core vs. TI OMAP 4430 dual core A8). The Fire also has a better dev support with custom ROMs.

enigma00 said:
I am not trying to rain on your parade, but the screen resolution (WVGA 800x480) is really horrible for a 7" tablet. You could make out each individual pixel with naked eyes.
It also seems like it's based on a bargain basement Cortex A8 single-core processor. It's difficult to find any credible spec on the "BOXCHIP A10".
All things considered, why not just go with the Kindle Fire? It's got a better display (at least resolution/density-wise) and a better CPU (no name single core vs. TI OMAP 4430 dual core A8). The Fire also has a better dev support with custom ROMs.
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I've watched video side by side a kindle and yes the kindle is a bit better, but nowhere near $80 better. I think the Amazon listing is a typo, looks more like 800*600 to me... Not HD, but totally watchable (you can't see the pixels while watching a movie...)
A huge plus is that I can plug in a usb drive (or my 1TB portable HD) AND a 32GB sd card on this. With a couple 32gb thumb drives (or SD cards) and my hard drive I can carry around a MASSIVE library of videos and music in my pocket. Kindle doesn't support USB host, doesn't have an SD slot (so lame), and only has 6GB of space available for user content (yes, only 6GB...). And this didn't come with the lame kindle UI.
I just checked and the price is down to $115, I've had a few cheap tablets and this is the only one I've been happy with. Due to the USB host and SD card functionality I would rather have this over a kindle any day... IMHO.

You *think* it's 800x600, or you *know*?
The picture shown on Amazon looks like a wide-screen format, so it can't possibly be 800x600 (4:3 aspect ratio).
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I've watched video side by side a kindle and yes the kindle is a bit better, but nowhere near $80 better. I think the Amazon listing is a typo, looks more like 800*600 to me... Not HD, but totally watchable (you can't see the pixels while watching a movie...)
A huge plus is that I can plug in a usb drive (or my 1TB portable HD) AND a 32GB sd card on this. With a couple 32gb thumb drives (or SD cards) and my hard drive I can carry around a MASSIVE library of videos and music in my pocket. Kindle doesn't support USB host, doesn't have an SD slot (so lame), and only has 6GB of space available for user content (yes, only 6GB...). And this didn't come with the lame kindle UI.
I just checked and the price is down to $115, I've had a few cheap tablets and this is the only one I've been happy with. Due to the USB host and SD card functionality I would rather have this over a kindle any day... IMHO.
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seedofchaos said:
Seriously about to buy this so I can use it as a portable emulator. Wonder if any of my controllers would work
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If it has Honeycomb or ICS then it will support standard gamepad like Logitech, however, the pic looks like it use miniUSB so you need and adaptor. Or you can buy one of those bluetooth gamepad, the support is depends on the software.

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I am not trying to rain on your parade, but the screen resolution (WVGA 800x480) is really horrible for a 7" tablet. You could make out each individual pixel with naked eyes.
It also seems like it's based on a bargain basement Cortex A8 single-core processor. It's difficult to find any credible spec on the "BOXCHIP A10".
All things considered, why not just go with the Kindle Fire? It's got a better display (at least resolution/density-wise) and a better CPU (no name single core vs. TI OMAP 4430 dual core A8). The Fire also has a better dev support with custom ROMs.
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Well I got mine 2 days ago and for the price I paid, this thing kicks ass. It does exactly what I need it to do: browse the net and play the occasional game while I'm on the toliet or in bed. My 32GB card is on the way and I'm gonna load it up with videos. Admittedly, the resolution is not the best...especially with my phone having a qHD screen lol. But it is capacitive and blows away those cheap ass Coby tablets I despise so much.
Mine also came rooted and I'm looking around the net to find more info on maybe some custom roms for it. Sure I could have bought a Kindle Fire, but this is more than enough to tide me over until those rumored $199 Tegra3 tablets roll around

enigma00 said:
You *think* it's 800x600, or you *know*?
The picture shown on Amazon looks like a wide-screen format, so it can't possibly be 800x600 (4:3 aspect ratio).
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yeah, you're right, I contacted the company I got it from to confirm and it's 800x480. But I still think it's an awesome tab for the money. They're out of stock on Amazon now but will have more in next week they said (I'm getting another one for my wife).

can you please post some pictures
and if you can make a video
thnx.

I'll try to get some images or a video up soon.
I also just noticed that while it come with a proprietary charger, when I plugged it into my computer via the mini USB that would also charge it! I plugged it into a USB wall charger and that charged it to. There really is no need for the proprietary charger except its 2000MAh and it will charge faster than via USB.
Just another reason I love this tablet ;-)

AspenMan said:
I'll try to get some images or a video up soon.
I also just noticed that while it come with a proprietary charger, when I plugged it into my computer via the mini USB that would also charge it! I plugged it into a USB wall charger and that charged it to. There really is no need for the proprietary charger except its 2000MAh and it will charge faster than via USB.
Just another reason I love this tablet ;-)
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I forgot to mention that too in my rant above lol. I was surprised because those cheap ass Coby tablets I despise so much, will not charge via the miniUSB port. Great buy!

For 119$ I can get a real android tablet in a used Gtab 7. And its 2x better.
These chinese tablets rarely have a working android market, screen resolution is also poop.
Could just buy an Ainol 7" ICS Tablet for 150$

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For 119$ I can get a real android tablet in a used Gtab 7. And its 2x better.
These chinese tablets rarely have a working android market, screen resolution is also poop.
Could just buy an Ainol 7" ICS Tablet for 150$
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This one has the real Google market. I wouldn't want to buy used cause you'd get no warranty, this one came with a year warranty.
I've heard the Ainol doesn't support flash, that was a big requirement for me, but others may not care.

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[Q] Still worth buying?

Hi guys,
I've just got my first taste of android on a tablet (disgo 8100) and I've sold that for a decent profit, so I'm looking at buying myself a bit of a better tablet. I like the look of the advent vega but I have heard about various gripes such as screen angle and touch screen not being amazing.
So, is the vega still worth buying? I'm after something that:
Has a decent hacking community
Can run emulators well
Can support multiple usb devices through a usb host+ usb hub
Hdmi out (full mirroring)
Run apps quickly.
I'm after a tablet that I can mod, that's still getting updates (community or official) that I can play games in, and use six axis controller via blue tooth etc.
Hope you guys can help me, I don't want to put 100 quid down on a second hand tablet when something could be better for me
Cheers,
Leigh

Yes, the screen angle is pretty terrible! It's like 10% LOL!
Yeah, the touch screen is pretty terrible too! It shows in Fruit Ninja where the slice is 1cm behind your finger and in internet browser where touch is just not fluid.
About the HDMI I don't know if I have a faulty cable or something but when I mirror my tablet's screen it appears like it would output a 360p image instead of 1080p. I can see tiny squares on my 46" 1080p LED TV! The picture is just horrible I'd rather just use an USB stick or use DLNA.
Hacking community on XDA and tabletroms is top notch (don't know how's on other tablets, tho).
I don't know how are emulators working, but apps run pretty quickly and "smooth" (touch spoils that a bit).
I never heard complaints about usb hubs, just use one that has an external power source (just in case).
In the end it all depends in how good condition your tablet will be and at what price.
There are probably tons of same spec tablets in your local shop that are also pretty cheap and there is also a chinese website aliexpress where you can order your cheap noname tablet online, but warranty might cause you problems later on.
I know that those generic chinese tablets have generic ROMs somewhere on the internet that include english language, play store and root, but I don't have any links, sorry.

Hi,
I recently purchased an Advent Vega and flashed the last beta of VegaBean, and I am feeling it a little slow. There is a lot of lag switching between apps, and when I install an app it is damn slow for some seconds. I am using a generic 8GB microSD card, and I think that might be the problem. Using a class 10 card could make the tablet work more fluid?

princado said:
Hi,
I recently purchased an Advent Vega and flashed the last beta of VegaBean, and I am feeling it a little slow. There is a lot of lag switching between apps, and when I install an app it is damn slow for some seconds. I am using a generic 8GB microSD card, and I think that might be the problem. Using a class 10 card could make the tablet work more fluid?
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iam sorry but my experience is No!
but if you have opportunity it is better to try it mate! Try and see if it works for you..
and for those who still uses vega i must say i prefer ICS, less lags, less slowness feeling..

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iam sorry but my experience is No!
but if you have opportunity it is better to try it mate! Try and see if it works for you..
and for those who still uses vega i must say i prefer ICS, less lags, less slowness feeling..
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Thanks for the tip. Still I bought a cheap S*ms*ng class 10 microsd to see if it improves the experience, if it doesn't work I will probably sell the tablet and use the microsd with my cellphone

Only if you can get the tablet really cheap. Better tablets are quite cheap nowadays.

For £49 you can buy a much better Archos Cobalt 80 tablet.
1.6Ghz Dual Core CPU, 1GB RAM, preloaded ICS.
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opinions about the Tegra Note 7

I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?

My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?

Well, i think you gotta ask yourself a few questions if you consider buying the TN7.
1. How important is the screen? It's just like all the tests say, the screen ist not SO good. It's ok, i think the resolution is enough, and i am happy with the colors - its not like everything is blue or something. But it is just "ok" and could be better. (for example in the N7'13) (this might be interesting if your daughter wants to read alot)
2. Do you need the stylus? This was the #1 reason for me to get a TN7, and i love it. Good for drawing and writing, but also just for everyday use. I never touch the screen with my finger =)
3. Does your daughter need skype or something? The front camera is VERY bad, and not usable for anything. (640x480 i think, just VGA)
4. The speakers are superawesome. Loud, clear and in generel very good, it's fun to watch videos and movies.
So, in my opinion you should go for the TN7. Guess custom rom support and stuff is not important for your daughter, and for entertainment, drawing and stuff it's very good.
ps: the resolution is more then enough to read, the kindle 4 for exampe just got 800xsomething. but 1080 is better of course

ahomad said:
I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?
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I don't own one (yet) but if you're looking for a reason to get this over the Nexus 7... aside from the far superior processor (perhaps you won't notice if you don't play games) the HDMI Out is a good one. The Tegra Note's screen lower screen resolution won't make a difference when you're viewing on a HD TV.
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My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?
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The underlying software (I'm told by youtube videos) is about identical to the one the Shield uses (the Nvidia Marketplace looks different). These same videos sounded confident that the updates would come along with the Shield updates. Even though it's only 1 GB, the processor is top of the line (for any price range). So I really hope Nvidia doesn't burn us.

I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.

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I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.
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Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.

Better in the N7'12:
#1 colors might be bit better
#2 community, rom support
#3 updates
#4 accessoire availability
better in tn7:
#1 performance is way better
#2 stylus ofc =)
#3 usbotg works with for example usbsticks or 360 controller (both tested), not sure about the n7 there
for me its defenitly the tn7. stylus is just awesome

So I have the tegra note 7 and I've owned other devices like both of the n7s, 10 inch tablets like transformers and galaxy note tabs.
This tablet is THE FASTEST tablet I have ever used.
Tegra Note 7 Pros
-MicroSD card slot
-Front Facing Speakers
-Stock android with a few OEM applications that are actually useful
-Pen Input
-One of the fastest SoCs out there, probably the most featured.
-instant HDR photos
-USB Digital to Analog Converters work out of the box, USB audio sounds good too.
-dedicated HDMI/miracast support
-The best value around at $199
Cons
-Front facing camera is very low resolution, like 640x480. I don't video chat much and even when I do I don't really care about these things, I'd actually prefer not to be in ULTRA HD while I've been lounging around the house unshaven. But still, 640x480 is quite low for a newer device, even if it is $199.
-Short USB cable. I really hate when OEMs get stingy over an extra 2-3 feet of cable.
-IPS displays illuminate blacks and sometimes have bad 'backlight bleeding' on the sides. I would have paid an extra hundred dollars for a display with better color balance than what IPS offers. The screen gets bright, and has good viewing angles/color balance for an IPS display, but at the end of the day it's still IPS. It fits the price of the tablet.
What can be seen as cons:
1280x800 resolution
I do not feel 220ppi is bad in any way shape or form. I can not see pixels even when I move it about 5 inches away from my face. The resolution works great on 7 inch tablets and reduces the strain on the GPU. This translates into higher FPS and a lighter GPU load, leaving a lot of computational power for the tablet to tap into when needed.
1 GB RAM
While I would prefer 2GB, I have grown used to 1GB. Here's a big misconception people make "More RAM is better". More RAM means more power draw, having high amounts of RAM can drop battery life. The way android handles RAM is to kill old processes when more memory is needed, this has worked for years with lower amounts of RAM because it means your most recent processes will always run at a higher priority.
The drawback to this, is that with resource-intensive applications open like games, you can lose old processes from days ago from memory. But I would argue that this is a good memory management scheme because it gets rid of apps you leave open for ages and forget to close, and gives more memory to your game so it doesn't lag. Now with more memory that old application would be around longer, sitting in memory, eating up energy until you close it, run out of memory, or open it again.
At the same time, some newer devices NEED more RAM. This is due to having a high resolution, on a 720p screen your UI elements may be 64x64, well on higher resolutions it goes up to 72x72, 96x96, 128x128, etc. This means that higher resolutions have higher memory requirements because their resources are larger. With a tablet like the tegra note 7, 1GB is okay for 720p resources. With a tablet like the 2013 nexus 7, it is not.
Other Thoughts
I am left handed and really love that Nvidia didn't forget about us lefties. The draw app included with the tablet has leftie optimization. I also love the placement of all the connectors, they are all on one side of the tablet. The settings app has a CPU menu where you can change from quad core mode to dual core mode and I liked that. I would have preferred to have the front facing camera in a closer location to the rear camera, so it doesn't get covered in landscape as easily.
But really, for $200?! It beats everything on the market right now, including the 2013 nexus 7. For any tablet that has a feature that edges out on the Tegra Note 7, the tegra note 7 has about 4-5 tricks the other tablets don't. I cannot complain at all for what I paid, this device will be fast for years to come once the AOSP builds come.

ahomad said:
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.
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Looks like others have covered many points I agree with already.
Basically almost everything is better on the tegra note 7 than nexus 7 2012. Screen is debatable though.
Tegra note 7 is better ..... cpu, gpu, speakers, sd slot, pen, miracast, hdmi, back camera, Slide cover accessory.
Nexus 7 2012 is better. ... Faster software updates better grip while holding in one hand, front facing camera is better quality, battery life better than tegra note 7, can get 32gb internal storage unlike the tegra note 7, more accessories available.
Some other things.... Nexus 7 2012 although does not have miracast but can cast some apps to miracast receivers. Nexus7 2012 too has usb OTG support when used with nexus media importer app. The loud speakers on the tegra note 7 make it better as a sat nav in my experience.
Some things I don't like. ....
On the tegra note 7. .... random screen switches on. Ports have too much looseness Eg need to keep usb cable still add If you move Tablet then easily gets dislodged. Sane problem with hdmi. Both ports too close together and some cables might not fit together but other cables will fit.
On the Nexus7 2012. .. starts lagging like hell when full unlike the tegra note 7.
This is as short as I can get it.
If your want shorter then. ... Just buy the tegra note 7
Can't wait to ditch samsung note 3 to get a full specked tegra note phone if and when launched with premium features.
Great buy for £89.99 at Curry's using code but code expired now.

Everyone in here needs to realize something, there has to be a profit margin in ANY device sold. How much do you think it cost for just the bare Tegra 4 chip? I would guess $75-$100 OEM for just the chip itself and then you have roughly $99 more to build EVERYTHING else. I honestly only have 2 complaints with the TN7, 1GB of RAM and the Screen. For the cost though, I can't really say they are complaints, more just something I could point at as a short fall if asked to name some. Everything else is awesome, from sound to Tegra 4 speed.

Thanks everyone for your nice and informative answers, (there is a community for the TN7
I ordered mine and should be receiving it tomorrow. I noticed that the main issue is with both cameras which isn't important for me. What worries me is that most people aren't very happy with the screen but I guess I will have to wait and see myself. I am happy to see that the speaker and the styles are of very good quality.
I got mine from PCWORLD for 129.99£ I wish I knew about the 89.99 offer, I would have got two , anyway it is still a bargain.

I got my first Tegra Note from Aliexpress as soon as they were released, a Chinese Homecare model, the same company that manufactures all the version I hear. The problem was the tablet I got seemed to be poorly made. On day 0 I couldn't get the usb cable in. I realised most of my sockets were unaligned to the plastic case. Then there was missing Google Apps and the GPS didn't work so I needed to root and go into repair mode. After bending the USB connector up a little I could power and start work at making this tablet usable. Well within a few days I had a software bricked unit and the repair mechanisms like recovery and bootloader partitions were so limited on this model that I couldn't remedy. The moral to the story is buy local if you can.
I now have an EVGA Tegra Note and it's far better experience. The manufacturing is better and everything works bar the GPS which may come down to the satellite table being narrow.
Buyers should consider that Nvidia's Tegra Tablets are a new series using one of the fastest CPU cores around so if you want to be apart of this new cruise get onboard. It's only going to get better.

gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.

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gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.
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Gps works fine on mine but slightly slower with new updates. Lock was faster before. Lock is faster with Google Navigation than other apps. Mine work fine in the UK for online and off line navigation using various sat nav apps for hours of driving to unfamiliar cities. Once locked have never lost a signal since I bought in December. I have compared it with Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and nexus 7 2013 and For long journeys now mainly use tegra note 7 due to Good speakers. For short journeys I use my note 3.
Lock time is Ok with updates but was faster before. Only on 3 occasions lock took a while but rebooting device sorted it out.
Battery life is better with nexus 7 2013 and 2012 during navigation though than the tegra note 7.

Ok, I bought the Tegra and have had time to play around with it.
The USB cable it comes with fits loosely into the port. Other cables I've tried fit much better however.
The casing makes noise when I'm holding it. If my thumb is on one of the front facing speakers, iI can feel it compress slightly and its accompanied by a clicking sound. As I walk my fingers around the edge of the tablet and press down gently, I hear a slight clicking. I worry that the screen is going to come out of the plastic shell. And for this reason, I will not root this device until the warranty has expired. I should probably review the warranty sooner rather than later because I'm not sure of the details.
Overall I'm very happy with the purchase and performance of tthis tablet but I will update this post if needed.

Freeze!
I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!

Arpit_Gupta said:
I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!
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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card

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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card
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Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Arpit_Gupta said:
Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.

bubblesmoney said:
Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.
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By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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I have tried resetting the tablet too by the way.
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Tab 3: 4GB Intel Pro vs. 3GB Snapdragon Plus

As mentioned in another thread, Lenovo quietly refreshed the Tab 3 Pro with 4GB RAM, a newer Intel m5 processor, and 64GB storage, FWIW. Stacking it up against the Tab 3 Plus (3GB RAM, Snapdragon 8-core, 32GB), so far a lot is speculation or anecdata.
My main questions, to put the TL;DR at the top:
How does the Plus perform out of the box, before doing any XDA magic on it? Have the audio sync issues been fixed? A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
How do these two CPUs compare? I've seen speculation that Android and/or certain apps may not be as well optimized for Intel chips, even if the m5 is otherwise more capable.
I'm strongly considering one of these two, probably the Pro. Most people, just shopping for a good tablet, will probably go with the Plus. It's currently $200 cheaper (40%), and that price point for the display and speaker quality, along with dat battery, is unquestionably a good deal. The Plus has some OOBE issues: A/V sync (possibly fixed), encryption lag, some questionable display "enhancements." But, it also has at least one dev here at XDA who has fixed all of the above and provided root, at least for the WiFi only model available in the US.
I've only had credible feedback from two different people regarding the new Pro, but word is performance is solid. Both people had the old 2GB Pro long enough to try out, and found it barely usable due to encryption lag and low RAM, and both say the new Pro is not the fastest tablet they've ever used, but has no real issues. It's probably underperforming for its hardware, but the hardware is strong enough you won't notice. Which is good, because it may never have dev support here, or not until the price drops significantly (though who knows, XDA has surprised me before).
What it probably comes down to is whether you want that projector. The projector isn't all you get for $200 - there are also small spec bumps across the board, and double the onboard storage - but if you don't have a realistic use for the projector, it would be hard to justify the extra cost. The real world performance difference between the Pro and Plus is probably not large, and may even fall in the Plus's favor if some apps have trouble with the Intel CPU (not at all verified). For me, the projector looks like it will make a serviceable bedroom TV, and probably a more comfortable solution than any of my options for getting a flatscreen in my room. The 480p will probably be inadequate for throwing comic books up on the wall (and certainly not on par with that 2HD screen), but I would give it a try.
For me, the bedroom TV prospect is one of the things pushing me over that "Do I really need a new tablet..." line. My Nook HD+ used to get a lot of use, but has been collecting dust for 2-3 years in favor of a good desktop and smartphone, and a Kindle Paperwhite taking over book duty. Now, is it not getting used because it's old and slow, or is it not getting used because I don't have much use for it?
Feedback on the new Pro is sparse, so if you have one in your hands, please let us know about it.

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A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
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Where did you see this?

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Where did you see this?
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In the aforementioned thread:
Klvn88 said:
Was talking to a Lenovo Sales Rep on their online chat system about the audio sync issue and she was saying they have "received information that all issues have been fixed." I asked her to be specific about the audio sync issue and she confirmed they were told the audio sync issue has been fixed. Any idea if this is true or was she just saying what she thought I wanted to hear?
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Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.

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In the aforementioned thread:
Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.

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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
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Yep, that's why I'm asking. All the info on Amazon (regarding these two devices) is pretty useless.

Is it normal for there to be such limited reviews/information for Lenovo Tablets?! Really want to buy it, but just want to know more! haha.

There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
Taosaur: I'm hoping the spec bump on the new model gets around some of the performance issues.
YouTuber: can confirm. I actually bought the new version to test it out! Loved it so much that that I sold my iPad lmao. No lag at all really
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Taosaur: Thanks for the feedback! It doesn't seem like Lenovo's much interested in people knowing the new model exists. Do you ever pull out the projector? I've been surprised how positive the feedback has been on a pretty dim 480p projector.
YouTuber: Yes I do! It's very great to seeing movies on it rather than the screen because of the size. Especially because I have a big white wall in my bedroom. The one issue I've come across with this tablet is that every battery capacity app states I have 4300 MAH battery. Less than half of 10200... however I recently learned I'm not the only one experiencing this and the battery capacity thing seems to only be a glitch. I get around 8-9 hours of screen on time with about an hour of projector use included in that so it's still pretty good
Taosaur: I don't suppose you've tried the projector with comic books? I'm guessing the resolution wouldn't make it a great experience, and the 2HD screen would be better regardless, but I'm sure I'll try it if I end up pulling the trigger. Any idea if the Hoopla Digital app works on this tablet? It's a an app for borrowing digital comics and other media with a library card. It's not compatible with my current tablet running CyanogenMod Nougat.
YouTuber: I just tested a comic and it seems to work fine. I'm sure the projector would be fine with comic books in the pitch black for sure. I just tested that app for ya and it opens just fine. I don't have a hoopla account though so I didn't get past the login screen.
I gotta say he projector is really nice for movie watching. One thing I gotta mention is... The blacks in the display aren't that good... The blacks have a blueish tone to it. I wish it was an amoled display. Still the colors are quite vibrant. Also the screen gets REALLY bright and also gets REALLY dim. Great for daytime use and night use. I tried the pixel c and it wasn't dim enough so it hurt my eyes at night
But that makes the projector all the nicer to use. After using the projector to watch the walking dead, it's hard to go back to the screen for movie watching haha. Seems so small in comparison. It's really amazing having it in such a small package. Especially as the projector is totally fanless and never needs replacement bulbs.
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And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.

Taosaur said:
There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
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Awesome, thanks for posting that convo between you and the YouTuber. Would definitely like to hear you own experience with it.. I likely would just get the Plus version, as I don't see myself using the projector enough to justify the significantly higher price tag here in Canada. Hoping the 3gb ram is good enough for me to just use it as a media tablet, won't be a whole lot of multi-tasking. :fingers-crossed:

I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.

My Pro showed up Monday, and I do like the projector. It may end up my most-used feature, though the screen is also gorgeous. I hang the thing over my bed and project on the opposite wall, which gives at least a 55" image, less sharp but easier on the eyes at night than a backlit LCD. Zen Pinball is my go-to game on a tablet, and it plays great - the stand comes in handy. I wouldn't try to play any detailed games with the projector, but old-school emulators would probably be great, and again, the 2HD display is excellent.
There have been bugs:
I had a one-off sound glitch with the pinball game, getting really distorted sound, but going into Dolby Atmos and switching to game mode fixed it.
"Request failed" toasts kept popping up last night while I was watching Hulu. No clue what they were, but they didn't interrupt playback.
So far I've had no luck pairing the tablet with my phone over bluetooth. They see each other, but give "wrong pin" errors, despite showing the same pin. Both connect fine to my headphones and speaker.

FYI, there are more credible reports showing up on Amazon that a software update has corrected the Plus' A/V sync and "flickering" issues.

mike240se said:
I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.

I just bought the plus, I haven't had any audio sync issues thus far and am pretty happy with the overall build quality and performance thus far.

xerogabe106 said:
Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.

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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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It opens after a fresh install, I can get to the login/create account screen. But after login it just crashes and crashes when I startup as well.