I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?
My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?
Well, i think you gotta ask yourself a few questions if you consider buying the TN7.
1. How important is the screen? It's just like all the tests say, the screen ist not SO good. It's ok, i think the resolution is enough, and i am happy with the colors - its not like everything is blue or something. But it is just "ok" and could be better. (for example in the N7'13) (this might be interesting if your daughter wants to read alot)
2. Do you need the stylus? This was the #1 reason for me to get a TN7, and i love it. Good for drawing and writing, but also just for everyday use. I never touch the screen with my finger =)
3. Does your daughter need skype or something? The front camera is VERY bad, and not usable for anything. (640x480 i think, just VGA)
4. The speakers are superawesome. Loud, clear and in generel very good, it's fun to watch videos and movies.
So, in my opinion you should go for the TN7. Guess custom rom support and stuff is not important for your daughter, and for entertainment, drawing and stuff it's very good.
ps: the resolution is more then enough to read, the kindle 4 for exampe just got 800xsomething. but 1080 is better of course
ahomad said:
I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?
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I don't own one (yet) but if you're looking for a reason to get this over the Nexus 7... aside from the far superior processor (perhaps you won't notice if you don't play games) the HDMI Out is a good one. The Tegra Note's screen lower screen resolution won't make a difference when you're viewing on a HD TV.
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My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?
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The underlying software (I'm told by youtube videos) is about identical to the one the Shield uses (the Nvidia Marketplace looks different). These same videos sounded confident that the updates would come along with the Shield updates. Even though it's only 1 GB, the processor is top of the line (for any price range). So I really hope Nvidia doesn't burn us.
I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.
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I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.
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Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.
Better in the N7'12:
#1 colors might be bit better
#2 community, rom support
#3 updates
#4 accessoire availability
better in tn7:
#1 performance is way better
#2 stylus ofc =)
#3 usbotg works with for example usbsticks or 360 controller (both tested), not sure about the n7 there
for me its defenitly the tn7. stylus is just awesome
So I have the tegra note 7 and I've owned other devices like both of the n7s, 10 inch tablets like transformers and galaxy note tabs.
This tablet is THE FASTEST tablet I have ever used.
Tegra Note 7 Pros
-MicroSD card slot
-Front Facing Speakers
-Stock android with a few OEM applications that are actually useful
-Pen Input
-One of the fastest SoCs out there, probably the most featured.
-instant HDR photos
-USB Digital to Analog Converters work out of the box, USB audio sounds good too.
-dedicated HDMI/miracast support
-The best value around at $199
Cons
-Front facing camera is very low resolution, like 640x480. I don't video chat much and even when I do I don't really care about these things, I'd actually prefer not to be in ULTRA HD while I've been lounging around the house unshaven. But still, 640x480 is quite low for a newer device, even if it is $199.
-Short USB cable. I really hate when OEMs get stingy over an extra 2-3 feet of cable.
-IPS displays illuminate blacks and sometimes have bad 'backlight bleeding' on the sides. I would have paid an extra hundred dollars for a display with better color balance than what IPS offers. The screen gets bright, and has good viewing angles/color balance for an IPS display, but at the end of the day it's still IPS. It fits the price of the tablet.
What can be seen as cons:
1280x800 resolution
I do not feel 220ppi is bad in any way shape or form. I can not see pixels even when I move it about 5 inches away from my face. The resolution works great on 7 inch tablets and reduces the strain on the GPU. This translates into higher FPS and a lighter GPU load, leaving a lot of computational power for the tablet to tap into when needed.
1 GB RAM
While I would prefer 2GB, I have grown used to 1GB. Here's a big misconception people make "More RAM is better". More RAM means more power draw, having high amounts of RAM can drop battery life. The way android handles RAM is to kill old processes when more memory is needed, this has worked for years with lower amounts of RAM because it means your most recent processes will always run at a higher priority.
The drawback to this, is that with resource-intensive applications open like games, you can lose old processes from days ago from memory. But I would argue that this is a good memory management scheme because it gets rid of apps you leave open for ages and forget to close, and gives more memory to your game so it doesn't lag. Now with more memory that old application would be around longer, sitting in memory, eating up energy until you close it, run out of memory, or open it again.
At the same time, some newer devices NEED more RAM. This is due to having a high resolution, on a 720p screen your UI elements may be 64x64, well on higher resolutions it goes up to 72x72, 96x96, 128x128, etc. This means that higher resolutions have higher memory requirements because their resources are larger. With a tablet like the tegra note 7, 1GB is okay for 720p resources. With a tablet like the 2013 nexus 7, it is not.
Other Thoughts
I am left handed and really love that Nvidia didn't forget about us lefties. The draw app included with the tablet has leftie optimization. I also love the placement of all the connectors, they are all on one side of the tablet. The settings app has a CPU menu where you can change from quad core mode to dual core mode and I liked that. I would have preferred to have the front facing camera in a closer location to the rear camera, so it doesn't get covered in landscape as easily.
But really, for $200?! It beats everything on the market right now, including the 2013 nexus 7. For any tablet that has a feature that edges out on the Tegra Note 7, the tegra note 7 has about 4-5 tricks the other tablets don't. I cannot complain at all for what I paid, this device will be fast for years to come once the AOSP builds come.
ahomad said:
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.
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Looks like others have covered many points I agree with already.
Basically almost everything is better on the tegra note 7 than nexus 7 2012. Screen is debatable though.
Tegra note 7 is better ..... cpu, gpu, speakers, sd slot, pen, miracast, hdmi, back camera, Slide cover accessory.
Nexus 7 2012 is better. ... Faster software updates better grip while holding in one hand, front facing camera is better quality, battery life better than tegra note 7, can get 32gb internal storage unlike the tegra note 7, more accessories available.
Some other things.... Nexus 7 2012 although does not have miracast but can cast some apps to miracast receivers. Nexus7 2012 too has usb OTG support when used with nexus media importer app. The loud speakers on the tegra note 7 make it better as a sat nav in my experience.
Some things I don't like. ....
On the tegra note 7. .... random screen switches on. Ports have too much looseness Eg need to keep usb cable still add If you move Tablet then easily gets dislodged. Sane problem with hdmi. Both ports too close together and some cables might not fit together but other cables will fit.
On the Nexus7 2012. .. starts lagging like hell when full unlike the tegra note 7.
This is as short as I can get it.
If your want shorter then. ... Just buy the tegra note 7
Can't wait to ditch samsung note 3 to get a full specked tegra note phone if and when launched with premium features.
Great buy for £89.99 at Curry's using code but code expired now.
Everyone in here needs to realize something, there has to be a profit margin in ANY device sold. How much do you think it cost for just the bare Tegra 4 chip? I would guess $75-$100 OEM for just the chip itself and then you have roughly $99 more to build EVERYTHING else. I honestly only have 2 complaints with the TN7, 1GB of RAM and the Screen. For the cost though, I can't really say they are complaints, more just something I could point at as a short fall if asked to name some. Everything else is awesome, from sound to Tegra 4 speed.
Thanks everyone for your nice and informative answers, (there is a community for the TN7
I ordered mine and should be receiving it tomorrow. I noticed that the main issue is with both cameras which isn't important for me. What worries me is that most people aren't very happy with the screen but I guess I will have to wait and see myself. I am happy to see that the speaker and the styles are of very good quality.
I got mine from PCWORLD for 129.99£ I wish I knew about the 89.99 offer, I would have got two , anyway it is still a bargain.
I got my first Tegra Note from Aliexpress as soon as they were released, a Chinese Homecare model, the same company that manufactures all the version I hear. The problem was the tablet I got seemed to be poorly made. On day 0 I couldn't get the usb cable in. I realised most of my sockets were unaligned to the plastic case. Then there was missing Google Apps and the GPS didn't work so I needed to root and go into repair mode. After bending the USB connector up a little I could power and start work at making this tablet usable. Well within a few days I had a software bricked unit and the repair mechanisms like recovery and bootloader partitions were so limited on this model that I couldn't remedy. The moral to the story is buy local if you can.
I now have an EVGA Tegra Note and it's far better experience. The manufacturing is better and everything works bar the GPS which may come down to the satellite table being narrow.
Buyers should consider that Nvidia's Tegra Tablets are a new series using one of the fastest CPU cores around so if you want to be apart of this new cruise get onboard. It's only going to get better.
gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.
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gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.
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Gps works fine on mine but slightly slower with new updates. Lock was faster before. Lock is faster with Google Navigation than other apps. Mine work fine in the UK for online and off line navigation using various sat nav apps for hours of driving to unfamiliar cities. Once locked have never lost a signal since I bought in December. I have compared it with Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and nexus 7 2013 and For long journeys now mainly use tegra note 7 due to Good speakers. For short journeys I use my note 3.
Lock time is Ok with updates but was faster before. Only on 3 occasions lock took a while but rebooting device sorted it out.
Battery life is better with nexus 7 2013 and 2012 during navigation though than the tegra note 7.
Ok, I bought the Tegra and have had time to play around with it.
The USB cable it comes with fits loosely into the port. Other cables I've tried fit much better however.
The casing makes noise when I'm holding it. If my thumb is on one of the front facing speakers, iI can feel it compress slightly and its accompanied by a clicking sound. As I walk my fingers around the edge of the tablet and press down gently, I hear a slight clicking. I worry that the screen is going to come out of the plastic shell. And for this reason, I will not root this device until the warranty has expired. I should probably review the warranty sooner rather than later because I'm not sure of the details.
Overall I'm very happy with the purchase and performance of tthis tablet but I will update this post if needed.
Freeze!
I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!
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I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!
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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card
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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card
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Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.
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Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.
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By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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I have tried resetting the tablet too by the way.
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Hey guys i'm not from this forum but from the galaxy ace forums.
I'm looking into buying this tab but I just want to know how good is it to live with everyday. I'll just be using it for everyday tasks, web browsing, music, movies and regular fooling around but I would also be starting my masters degree soon so I will want to to take some basic notes and that sort of thing.
I would also like to know how easy it is to root and install custom roms on it, also on average what kind of overclocks can be achieved if I ever need any extra horse power. I was also looking at the Nexus 7 but that does not have any expandable memory slot which sucks and also I think 4 cores for a 7" tab is just being wasteful .
But any way, what are your thoughts on it, I've watched and read the reviews and I know its a good tab I just a want to know how good is it a month or 2 later.
Thanks again for any input guys.
The only thing I wouldn't use it for would be note taking because of trying to type on the keyboard would feel to slow for me. For note taking, I'd think the Note 10.1 would be great because of the s-pen that you could use. It is really easy to flash anything custom to the tablet, just flash recovery via Odin or Heimdall, then boot into recovery and flash whatever you want. I use my tablet for web browsing and as an e-reader and it's fit my uses just fine. Also thinking of using it as a "portable" media player as well since the audio output from the small speakers is really good IMO, and it also has the same audio codec as the SGS3, WM1811, which is a really good audio processor.
amd-dude said:
Hey guys i'm not from this forum but from the galaxy ace forums.
I'm looking into buying this tab but I just want to know how good is it to live with everyday. I'll just be using it for everyday tasks, web browsing, music, movies and regular fooling around but I would also be starting my masters degree soon so I will want to to take some basic notes and that sort of thing.
I would also like to know how easy it is to root and install custom roms on it, also on average what kind of overclocks can be achieved if I ever need any extra horse power. I was also looking at the Nexus 7 but that does not have any expandable memory slot which sucks and also I think 4 cores for a 7" tab is just being wasteful .
But any way, what are your thoughts on it, I've watched and read the reviews and I know its a good tab I just a want to know how good is it a month or 2 later.
Thanks again for any input guys.
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go for it its an excellent tab...
No lags at all...
All your needs will satisfied in a premium touch even without rooting/overclocking the tablet...
It can be overclocked to 1.3 ghz and for rooting tutorial search the forum you will get it...
Thanks for the speedy replies guys...I'm really leaning toward this tab just because of its' priceerformance ratio
Its a great tablet for its price.
Pros-
Sim supported, 3G with 14.4 Mbps speed
Good battery life (comparing to other tablets)
Light weight and looks awesome in white color
64 GB Expandable memory
USB On the go support
Cons-
Some awesome games are not supported (i think it because its new developers will add support soon)
No Gorilla Glass
No HDMI
The Samsung galaxy is full worth the money dude I'm 24x7 online in it using 2g gprs the battery stands for more than one day and the screen on time is 5 to 7 hours depends on the usage with games and stuff that means you can continuous use upto 5 to 7 hours till drain this is he only best tab at 18k to 20 k price range with ICS and don't forget to update to 4.0.4 from 4.0.3 from the box good luck
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Well, I strongly disagree about the note taking, I use Evernote, and for note taking it has been a dream-come-true! Its optimized for our screens, and syncs to their servers for backup. Price is very good for what you get. It has a couple of things other 7" tablets dont have, such as GPS (Glonass), and an IR emitter (universal remote for your entertainment system).
This tablet has also had most of its source code released so all the devs here should, in theory, have a field day hacking at it. It also has a very decent CPU and GPU; these chips are used in many other devices aswell, so their technically should be tons of support for lots of games and apps that indulge in nicer hardware (they run smoother, sometimes).
This has become my main music device. I use bluetooth headphones and they, and my tab, support Bluetooth 3.0 and Apt-X Bluetooth lossless audio codec by CSR; listening to music is simply delightful!
Bought mine to replace a Arnova 10g2 that was just not up to the job i wonted it for which was to read E books and Comics (My father now has it now! He loves it?) as the screen was really poor! Happy with the Tab 2 once over-clocked and cyanmod flashed! Got a bit disappointed with the announcement of the Galaxy 7 until they mentioned the lack of external memory support! Still if they release a Nexus 7 with external memory! Then I think my mother might soon be the owner of a nearly new Tab 2! lol!
Good screen, plays Dead Trigger well and SD Slot! What more could you ask for?
amd-dude said:
Hey guys i'm not from this forum but from the galaxy ace forums.
I'm looking into buying this tab but I just want to know how good is it to live with everyday. I'll just be using it for everyday tasks, web browsing, music, movies and regular fooling around but I would also be starting my masters degree soon so I will want to to take some basic notes and that sort of thing.
I would also like to know how easy it is to root and install custom roms on it, also on average what kind of overclocks can be achieved if I ever need any extra horse power. I was also looking at the Nexus 7 but that does not have any expandable memory slot which sucks and also I think 4 cores for a 7" tab is just being wasteful .
But any way, what are your thoughts on it, I've watched and read the reviews and I know its a good tab I just a want to know how good is it a month or 2 later.
Thanks again for any input guys.
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I'm generally pretty happy with this tablet, it was supposed to be a stopgap tablet until the Nexus 7 was officially announced but once I realized that there would be no external storage (which I pretty much knew anyway) I stuck around with this.
I'm not happy with the tablet but I am content with it, if that makes sense.
It doesn't have the fastest processors/gpu, the screen isn't the greatest and the proprietary dock (makes having to buy all new accessories a pain) but as
long as you come into this tablet knowing what to expect, then it's pretty damned good. It doesn't have a huge Rom community but that also cuts down on the over saturation
from some of the more popular phones (have you seen the Galaxy sII or Desire HD forums?!? Ai yi yi) off the top of my head, I think this has a Stripped down stock Rom,
CM9, CM10 (alpha) maybe a Miui Rom which covers all the major basics as far as I'm aware.
I've been running CM9 RC2 since about 2 weeks after I bought this and I'm pretty happy and Once I wake up from this nap I'll probably be flashing CM9 stable & supercharge
it.
I know that I didn't really productively answer your questions but I hope I gave you some perspective on the tablet.
P.S. The thing I hate and I mean hate is the limited internal memory (I think it's 4.7gb or some such) which didn't seem bad at first cuz I was planning
on buying a 32gb card for everything, but apps especially games chew into that space so damn quickly and it doesn't get saved to teh ext card instead, even though I have all my media moved to the external card, I still run into scenario's where I can't update apps because I get that dreaded notification Tablet space is low.
Dev's are working on ways to utilise ext cards for storage bbut there is nothing stable I'm willing to try yet.
I'm running CM1O and its sooooo cool.
The Tab itself is very nice to touch and use . The tab has a nice weight to it and is balanced to hold. one draw back is the placement of the speakers.... sometimes playing games the sound becomes "muffled" due to hand/control positioning. Same as charging /playing music , It is sometimes awkward to use, but not overpowering.
Cant say i have any issues with the Tab , apart from the ones that i have caused lol.
Screen quality is VERY good for a budget tablet /size, same as sound quality.
Storage could become an issue but has workarounds , but over all........ WOW.....LOVIN IT !!!11!!!
I liked it when I bought it but the Nexus 7 is far and away the better 7" tablet in my opinion with one exception. The advantage of the Samsung is the internal micro SD. If you are staying stock, and want to watch media from non cloud based sources, the Samsung is better. If you will be rooting, you can use an OTG USB cable and use micro sd cards on the 7. The 7 is better in almost every other way and has a plain JB interface without the extra bloat Samsung puts on their tablets. My guess is we may never even see an official Jelly Bean release for the Galaxy 2 given the speed at which Samsung updates their software. Of course, there are multiple JB ROM's already out for the Galaxy 2, just not stock versions.
My Galaxy 2 died last weekend. It would just go dead and then required you plug in to the computer and hold the power button for 60 seconds. As soon as the screen would shut off, the same issue occurred. I called Samsung and they were very quick to send me a shipping label to return it for repair. Within 4 days the unit was supposedly repaired with a "Software Upgrade (External Factor)" whatever that means. It should arrive back on Tuesday. Hopefully it is fixed.
Just my opinion....
amd-dude said:
Hey guys i'm not from this forum but from the galaxy ace forums.
I'm looking into buying this tab but I just want to know how good is it to live with everyday. I'll just be using it for everyday tasks, web browsing, music, movies and regular fooling around but I would also be starting my masters degree soon so I will want to to take some basic notes and that sort of thing.
I would also like to know how easy it is to root and install custom roms on it, also on average what kind of overclocks can be achieved if I ever need any extra horse power. I was also looking at the Nexus 7 but that does not have any expandable memory slot which sucks and also I think 4 cores for a 7" tab is just being wasteful .
But any way, what are your thoughts on it, I've watched and read the reviews and I know its a good tab I just a want to know how good is it a month or 2 later.
Thanks again for any input guys.
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I have no complaints. Does everything my Thrive does , i can put JB on, and have used this as a credit Card terminal. I had audio issues with a custom rom and video playback, nothing major. Only things i dont care for are the stock predictive text and that some of my tegra specific apps dont work (this having and OMAP cpu and all).
Was definitely worth the cash since it actually outperforms my Thrive for most uses and cost half as much. Thrive wins points for the full sized usb and hdmi ports though.
Thank you all for your time on replying...I think this is the tab I am gonna settle on...a good solid all rounder.
I have this (the 3G version) for a week now. So far I'm perfectly happy with the purchase. Excellent value for money.
I really like my tab 2 7.0", but....
My Pros
- TouchWiz actually has some nice apps on this device. File manager, email, pop-up apps, power toggles are nice features
- Speakers are awesome
- Expandable memory
- Works great with USB thumb drives, mouse and keyboard (with adapter)
My Cons
- Screen resolution sucks, things are blurry (like most Android tablets). Some newer devices like Nexus 7, Asus Infinity, iPad3 have HD screens
- No TV out
- TouchWiz although I think is quite nice slows it down at times. I rooted and froze a ton of unwanted apps. Not all can be to be disabled through native ICS settings
- Chrome that comes with the latest update crashes a lot. New bookmark widget is also bad. Install ICS browser+ from the market instead.
I got it yesterday, rooted and installed AOKP JB. The size feels perfectly great to me. I have not cycled the battery enough to give any input on tat. Games run awesomly well, including minecraft PE on fancy graphics. Its an awesome tab, i love it
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The Tab27" wireless reciever is weak compared to the Nexus 7
samcory said:
The Tab27" wireless reciever is weak compared to the Nexus 7
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the wireless receiver on galaxy tab 2 7" is the worst thing on this tablet, the second is the battery life with wifi on! i got mine, i like it but......
For typing, Thumb Keyboard is the best coming from a blackberry. The split keyboard is excellent and fully customizable. The only issue is holding this in portrait mode leads to the death grip but if you are note taking and don't need a strong wifi connection you got to try it. Landscape mode resolves this also.
I am going to try a custom rom to help boost this baby up a bit.
Yea this device may start out with OK performance but it does get pretty laggy. Rooting and running a Jellybean ROM will increase performance a good amount.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
Positive:
- Fast, fluid, powerful.
- Multitasking is fantastic because of the additional RAM.
- The browser is as close to desktop performance as I've seen in an Android device
.- It's a new generation of tablet for Samsung, more like a giant SGS3 than an extension of the OG 10.1 or 10.1 2. I just updated my OG Tab 10.1 to ICS before I got the Note and the Note’s version of TW is far more modern with 3D effects on things like the keyboard.
- It has SGS3 features like Awake Stay, AllShare Play, AllShare Cast, BT4.0/aptX, and Buddy Photo.
- The new keyboard is much better laid out and has mini and thumb views. It also floats in mini-mode and has Swype-like capabilities. It’s actually quite usable now.
- The screen is incredibly responsive whether via finger or stylus navigation. Between that and the GPU/CPU speed and additional RAM it's almost an iPad like experience.
- The onboard speakers sound fantastic for a mobile device.
- Video performance is the best I've seen on an Android device.
- It's well built and feels very premium.
Neutral:
- It's not going to win any beauty contests but it's growing on me.
- Samsung's apps and widgets aren't terribly impressive aesthetically. Why does Samsung fell the need to make everything look so cartoonish?
Negative:
- Social Hub has been removed which really doesn't make any sense. I checked the Luxembourg and Netherlands ROMs and its missing from them too. My 3G Note has a TTT (Trinidad) CSC. Some other leisure stuff has been left out too like AP Mobile.
- The S-Pen's in a stupid place. If the Note's in a case or sitting on a stand you can't reach it. Based on the real estate that's probably the only place they could put it. It also feels a little cheap.
- Auto-brightness is way too low; probably to save battery.
- It can't read SDXC memory cards. I had to go through a ton of gymnastics to get it to recognize my SanDisk 64GB card and it's now running FAT. It's a shame Samsung didn't implement exFAT the way they did on the SGS3.
- It’s a shame it doesn’t have an HD display.
I'll post more as I use it for different things.
Questions.....
Light Bleed, especially on boot up?
BlueTooth and wireless - are there any issues with using BT while on wifi?
Are you using the Chrome browser?
Have you tried any games, or netflix. Netflix from what I am hearing is poor on the T700, and games had stuttering issues before our last update.
no bogging down with many widgets running?
BarryH_GEG said:
Negative:
- It can't read SDXC memory cards. I had to go through a ton of gymnastics to get it to recognize my SanDisk 64GB card and it's now running FAT. It's a shame Samsung didn't implement exFAT the way they did on the SGS3.
I'll post more as I use it for different things.
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Ugh... the lack of exFAT is almost a dealbreaker!! Now I have to really think about if this is worth getting or not (have a Note N7000 right now and really miss having big files on my 64Gb card).
With general usage, how is the performance compared to other Android tablets or iPad?
How good are stock apps like S-Note or the Adobe PS?
Thanks for the observations. Very good points to take into account.
I have a question about multitasking. Is it possible to have floating windows? Are there limitations on what can multitask? For instance, I'm interested to float a video or photo, while having Sketchbook Pro or some other drawing app open to draw on. Is that possible?
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Light Bleed, especially on boot up?
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None. Samsung's QC on their tablet displays is pretty impressive. The only display complaint was with early versions of the OG 10.1 which would get a moisture circle between the glass and panel from humidity. That was more a design issue than a QC issue. The resolution's the same as the OG 10.1 but looking at them side-by-side the panel itself is definately different. It seems a lot sharper; especially with text.
BlueTooth and wireless - are there any issues with using BT while on wifi?
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That's an Asus "feature." I've never had that issue on any other brand of Android device I've owned.
Are you using the Chrome browser?
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Stock. If you use a third party browser you lose multi-view.
Have you tried any games, or netflix. Netflix from what I am hearing is poor on the T700, and games had stuttering issues before our last update.
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No games yet. Netflix plays great. So does Amazon Instant (via the browser), HBO GO, Xfinity Player, YouTube HD, and Vevo.
no bogging down with many widgets running?
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Nope. I have 30 running across five home pages.
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Thanks for the observations. Very good points to take into account.
I have a question about multitasking. Is it possible to have floating windows? Are there limitations on what can multitask? For instance, I'm interested to float a video or photo, while having Sketchbook Pro or some other drawing app open to draw on. Is that possible?
Sent from my Galaxy Note
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No, side-by-side only with each app fixed at half the display. Videos in Pop Up Play float and can be moved and resized. Pop Up Play only works with the stock video player.
BarryH_GEG said:
Positive:
- Fast, fluid, powerful.
- Multitasking is fantastic because of the additional RAM.
- The browser is as close to desktop performance as I've seen in an Android device
.- It's a new generation of tablet for Samsung, more like a giant SGS3 than an extension of the OG 10.1 or 10.1 2. I just updated my OG Tab 10.1 to ICS before I got the Note and the Note’s version of TW is far more modern with 3D effects on things like the keyboard.
- It has SGS3 features like Awake Stay, AllShare Play, AllShare Cast, BT4.0/aptX, and Buddy Photo.
- The new keyboard is much better laid out and has mini and thumb views. It also floats in mini-mode and has Swype-like capabilities. It’s actually quite usable now.
- The screen is incredibly responsive whether via finger or stylus navigation. Between that and the GPU/CPU speed and additional RAM it's almost an iPad like experience.
- The onboard speakers sound fantastic for a mobile device.
- Video performance is the best I've seen on an Android device.
- It's well built and feels very premium.
Neutral:
- It's not going to win any beauty contests but it's growing on me.
- Samsung's apps and widgets aren't terribly impressive aesthetically. Why does Samsung fell the need to make everything look so cartoonish?
Negative:
- Social Hub has been removed which really doesn't make any sense. I checked the Luxembourg and Netherlands ROMs and its missing from them too. My 3G Note has a TTT (Trinidad) CSC. Some other leisure stuff has been left out too like AP Mobile.
- The S-Pen's in a stupid place. If the Note's in a case or sitting on a stand you can't reach it. Based on the real estate that's probably the only place they could put it. It also feels a little cheap.
- Auto-brightness is way too low; probably to save battery.
- It can't read SDXC memory cards. I had to go through a ton of gymnastics to get it to recognize my SanDisk 64GB card and it's now running FAT. It's a shame Samsung didn't implement exFAT the way they did on the SGS3.
- It’s a shame it doesn’t have an HD display.
I'll post more as I use it for different things.
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Ok, I have it since Friday last week and also have a normal 10.1 and can confirm some views but let me add/question others:
First some great differences from normal 10.1:
+ SD card slot (I did not have one before... How did you get 64gb working? I did not so far
+ Infrared port (you can use it as a remote controller for your TV
+ Whatever have been sayd on speed/memory above
+ Some nice configurable enhancement on lockscreen
+ A special menu (or direct app) appears when you pull out the pen
+ You can define the level of auto brightness now! (therefore it's not too dark, just pull the slider and the auto brignes will be affected as well to a higher level )
+ No Social hub (I always reoved this with Titanium because I don't use any of the Samsung hubs)
- The price was heavy (OK, I wanted to get it as one of the first and did not want to wait until I get 20% discount)
- Why not a higher resolution screen?
- The 64GB SD topic
I did not have too much time to test a lot or to install/play a lot of games (use it more for business). Run only Quadrant Pro once and the result was ~6150, about twice than on my 10.1.
Ok, I hope I helped some more with my additional view!
I would like to point a thing about the screen resolution. Exynos 4412 doesn't support Full HD. It supports max WXGA resolution.
Source: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/news_12.html
I guess we will have to wait for Exynos 5 series for FHD and WQXGA resolution.
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+ You can define the level of auto brightness now! (therefore it's not too dark, just pull the slider and the auto brignes will be affected as well to a higher level )
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Thanks for this. It was driving me crazy.
- The price was heavy (OK, I wanted to get it as one of the first and did not want to wait until I get 20% discount)
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Did you get a 3G version? The 16GB Note was less than I paid for my 3G 32GB UK G-Tab 10.1. And at least I can use the Note as a phone for conference calls and spare the battery on my phone.
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Did you get a 3G version? The 16GB Note was less than I paid for my 3G 32GB UK G-Tab 10.1. And at least I can use the Note as a phone for conference calls and spare the battery on my phone.
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Yes, I bought the 3G and I 4got to mention one other big +
+ !!!! You can use it as a phone, it comes with dialer and works as normal phone like the 7 Tab!!!! Of course, use the earphones if you don't want to use the standard speakerphone setup
+ Another +, it's data speed is much higher than any of my other tablets or my normal Galaxy Note N7000! I get full WIFI speed now (22MB, have DSL with 24MB max...) and 8MB+ on H+. Before I had with Tab 10.1 and Note only around 8MB on Wifi and 3-4MB on H+
Does the stock browser reflow text? Thanks!
I've had one since Friday. Purchased from Negri. It is awesome. The writing is SO fluid - NO lag.
I got my 64 GB card to work by formatting it in my 5" Note. It wouldn't recognize it before but after format in the small Note it recognizes it as 64 GB.
I cannot get BeyondPod to move it's directory to this external card. Does anyone know the path I need to tell BeyondPod to use?
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No.
oh snap! microsoft is gonna sue! samsung's promo vid looks so dang much like courier.
/s
i gotta say their demo looks like everything i had hoped ms to come out with. i'm playing with the asus infinity right now but starting to come across the regular QC defects that asus works so hard to maintain.
it's a hard decision -
asus- decent hardware with great aftermarket support
samsung - great quality hardware with sub-par aftermarket support (just getting ics after the JB ships??? tablet support is on different than their phones).
my 1 yr old gt 10.1 has no light bleed, no clicks or creaks and works just as good as day one.
my tf infinity is 4 days old and the bleed has progressively gotten worse and the click on the right side is getting a bit louder. i like it, but i'd hate to have it fall apart on me.
I've had mine for about a week now, and I'm in love with this device. It's by far the best, most responsive Android tablet I've used - and I've used a lot. My GTab 7.7 feels like a juddery mess compared to this thing. I find it very nice to hold, very light, the speakers are fantastic - and FRONT facing (why is this so hard for manufacturers/designers to understand we want them on the front??), battery life is excellent, and the screen, OK it's not HD (and a bit jarring coming from an iPad 3) is still plenty nice, bright and clear.
It's my favourite tablet, possibly ever.
That being said - I've had a few software issues with it.
1) Most serious, but only happened once so far: I brought up the pop-up S Memo from the bottom taskbar, then clicked the fullscreen button to expand to the full S Note application. S Note completely froze, then crashed. Upon relaunch, half of my notes, along with half the demo/tutorial notes were completely missing from the app. NOT good. After messing around with ways to get it back, I discovered through the file browser that all the note files were actually still there. I went into the Application manager in android settings and did a "Clear Data" for S Note. This solved the problem. Upon relaunch, all the notes were back in S Note.
2) In S Planner, there is NO option to create a NEW note in S Note to attach to a task. There is only an option to link an existing note. The original GNote has the option to create a new note.
3) Also in S Planner, one time I selected the option to link a task to a note in S Note, and S Note opened but then completely froze. Force killing S Note did not help. I tried multiple times, and had to restart the whole tablet to be able to use S Note at all.
4) I've been using an Apple (no hissing, please) bluetooth keyboard with the Gnote 10.1. Works fantastic (see, Apple and Samsung really CAN get along ) but I turned the bluetooth off one time to save battery when not using the keyboard. A while later, I tried to turn bluetooth on again. Bluetooth would not turn on. I could not toggle it on or off. I restarted the tablet, and bluetooth came on automatically.
These issues are very annoying, but so far have all happened only once. Hopefully will not be recurring issues, as I plan to make extensive use of S Note and a bluetooth keyboard too.
Other than that, I just LOVE this tablet. Bye bye, iPad 3!
Sent from my GT-N8000 using xda premium
How's the battery life so far?
And does the screen resolution look clear enough compared to ipad 3?
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Yes, I bought the 3G and I 4got to mention one other big +
+ !!!! You can use it as a phone, it comes with dialer and works as normal phone like the 7 Tab!!!! Of course, use the earphones if you don't want to use the standard speakerphone setup
+ Another +, it's data speed is much higher than any of my other tablets or my normal Galaxy Note N7000! I get full WIFI speed now (22MB, have DSL with 24MB max...) and 8MB+ on H+. Before I had with Tab 10.1 and Note only around 8MB on Wifi and 3-4MB on H+
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The phone is cool. I would imagine you could easily do hands-free (haven't actually tried it), but the speakers are certainly loud enough for most situations.
BTW, i've never seen a phone this large. I imagine there have been a few, but perhaps not. Anyone?
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The phone is cool. I would imagine you could easily do hands-free (haven't actually tried it), but the speakers are certainly loud enough for most situations.
BTW, i've never seen a phone this large. I imagine there have been a few, but perhaps not. Anyone?
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Samsung also is releasing a bluetooth S-pen that you can use to talk on phone .......
see here http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/300...iew-high-end-tablet-but-lacking-in-resolution
"unless you get the special Bluetooth pen also announced on Monday which you can hold to your ear during a conversation."
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Damn!
Hello guys... First of, I have never used a tablet before so I need your suggestions and opinions about this device.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
Your opinions are very much appreciated, please also tell me if you own Nexus 7 or you read the above answers somewhere.
mehdi110z said:
Hello guys... First of, I have never used a tablet before so I need your suggestions and opinions about this device.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
Your opinions are very much appreciated, please also tell me if you own Nexus 7 or you read the above answers somewhere.
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First of all, I don't have the Nexus 7 yet, but I am familiar with the most stuff around.
- I used the way slower Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 @1,38 GHz with Android 4.1.1, very smooth & "buttery", I can't believe that the faster Nexus 7 would lag here
- Gaming: Sorry, no idea.
- Well, it can't be that bad crap from Asus, it's cheap because of missing things (eg back camera & light, microSD-card slot). It has a Gorilla Glass display, that's really good -> check out Ericas XDA Video: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-t...ass-drops-tests-composition-xda-developer-tv/
- I own also a Galaxy Nexus, use it mobile/out of the house and anywhere and I don't wanna miss that one. It will be a "it depends on" thing. Honestly, more important to me it's the smartphone.
- Ratings - it also depends on. But for my usage it would be about 8/10.
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First of all, I don't have the Nexus 7 yet, but I am familiar with the most stuff around.
- I used the way slower Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 @1,38 GHz with Android 4.1.1, very smooth & "buttery", I can't believe that the faster Nexus 7 would lag here
- Gaming: Sorry, no idea.
- Well, it can't be that bad crap from Asus, it's cheap because of missing things (eg back camera & light, microSD-card slot). It has a Gorilla Glass display, that's really good -> check out Ericas XDA Video: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-t...ass-drops-tests-composition-xda-developer-tv/
- I own also a Galaxy Nexus, use it mobile/out of the house and anywhere and I don't wanna miss that one. It will be a "it depends on" thing. Honestly, more important to me it's the smartphone.
- Ratings - it also depends on. But for my usage it would be about 8/10.
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Thanks. I am confused between smartphone and tablet, want to enjoy youtube,browser,games on bigger screen but dont want to give my smartphone
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Thanks. I am confused between smartphone and tablet, want to enjoy youtube,browser,games on bigger screen but dont want to give my smartphone
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Well, I use both. At home I just update the Galaxy Nexus but use the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 for surfing from the couch. The GTab 2 is sold and will be replaced by the Nexus 7 16 GB.
If you want to save money, buy a Nexus 7 with 8 GB, buy a USB OTG cable and use a USB stick or small USB plug for more memory. Then you could use the USB OTG + USB stick with your Smartphone as well, if it has also an micro USB slot and if the kernel supports USB OTG.
I dont' know, if the Nexus 7 natively supports USB OTG, but Francisco Francos kernel does this for the Galaxy Nexus and I guess, this will work with the new Nexus 7 kernel also: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367341
Edit: Maybe helps you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30803801#post30803801
mehdi110z said:
Hello guys... First of, I have never used a tablet before so I need your suggestions and opinions about this device.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
Your opinions are very much appreciated, please also tell me if you own Nexus 7 or you read the above answers somewhere.
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No of will not lag at all
Sometimes this happened because they might not be built for the tegra 3, the problem of asphalt 7.
Small games are awesome and I prefer them on my n7.
Build quality is very good, fell on the stairs and dropped my nexus, not a scratch.
I have a regular phone to call and text and my nexus works fine. Although you can get tablet all and use your nexus and use it as a phone working with your smartphone.
My nexus is a........ 9 1\2 out of 10
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I have my Nexus for over a month now, i dont use it heavily for gaming but it runs temple run beautifully.. id say the 7" screen actually suits it a bit better than smaller phone screens..
Here's an interesting article i read on tegra 3 the other day
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-powerful-is-tegra-3
Thats an interesting idea about selling your smartphone and going for the nexus.. a lot of the functions i use my smartphone for as easy/easier to replicate on the nexus 7. I have a Galaxy Nexus phone but wouldnt part with it. I run tablet talk on both the 7 and phone so can send/receive texts on the tablet. If you do go for a cheaper phone make sure you can still use it as a portable hotspot so you can tether the nexus 7 to it, unless you are always in wifi coverage
Re build quality - I would say its fine.. its probably no better/worse than any smart phone/tablet nowadays.. if you drop it and it doesnt have a case, you are going to damage the corners.. it will probably survive but i wouldnt be without a case on any device like this.
The home screen doesnt lag, Some apps cause lag, I had an app called ultimate rotation control and it would take a few seconds for the icons on my home screen to redraw when rotating the tablet. im still not sure whether i'd like the home screen to rotate or accept googles stance that its better than its always in portrait mode.
Anyway good luck deciding oh and out of 10.. for me so far its 10/10... if i could improve i'd say put a higher quality DAC in the device.. but hopefully some android compatible usb DACS will be available to purchase soon..
Cheers,
Mick
mehdi110z said:
Hello guys... First of, I have never used a tablet before so I need your suggestions and opinions about this device.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
Your opinions are very much appreciated, please also tell me if you own Nexus 7 or you read the above answers somewhere.
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mehdi110z said:
Hello guys... First of, I have never used a tablet before so I need your suggestions and opinions about this device.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
Your opinions are very much appreciated, please also tell me if you own Nexus 7 or you read the above answers somewhere.
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Hi there, I actually upgraded to both a Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 7 coming from a Nexus One. The Nexus 7 being my first tablet, it fills my need for a portable entertainment device (games, media, news, browsing). Going on to your questions:
Lag Issue: No lag from widgets although it depends on what ROM you have. I used stock for a week with 3 active home screens filled with widgets and I experienced no hiccups whatsoever. I've been using AOSP based ROMS with the Apex launcher without lagginess as well.
Games: As mentioned by people above me, the lag is due to the developers and not the OS. As an example, I've been playing Max Payne and have experienced the touchscreen being unresponsive or having random turns. After the update a few days ago, all issues have been fixed. Temple Run scales well IMO.
Build Quality: Mine experiences the screen flicker and screen lift, but it isn't a deal breaker. It still is under warranty so I can ask for repairs, repair it myself, or ask for a replacement. The back and screen is a smudge magnet (I have oily hands) so it would be best to buy a case and screen protector the same time you buy the Nexus 7.
Downgrading smartphone: Depends on what kind of smartphone you have. If you have a phone from the past year, the Nexus 7 will complement it nicely. In my case, I still regularly use my phone for emails, SMS, calls, and some games, so you won't lose any utility out of your phone if you buy a Nexus 7.
Rating: I'd rate my Nexus 7 to an 8/10 with the minus points being the build quality.
- Does this device lag if I fill my homescreen with widgets that constantly refresh after intervals like rss feeds, gmail, facebook, youtube, weather ?
The N7 is well spec'd and punches above its weight. I have rarely, if ever, noted any slow down. I don't have a ton of stuff over my home screens but the usual. Very impressed with performance.
- I have been reading threads about games lagging on it, like nova 3, asphalt. Also I read there are random turns in Shadowgun and dead trigger. Is this issue resolved or any hope it will be resolved? Also does small games like Fruit ninja, Where's my water, Templerun look stretched out on 7" screen or it manages it beautifully?
I used to be a big online fps play in my youth (kids seem to have taken over now!) so I haven't played many games on mine, but I have tested a few. I found no problems with Dead Trigger, it looks fantastic and seems as smooth as I could possibly want. If there is an issue with slowing down I haven't noticed it but then I have only played through a few levels.
- How is the build quality ? Is it strong enough that it can manage the falls from short distance ? Considering its price, I am very curious to know about its build.
It certainly feels well built. But I have noted a couple of people complain on Twitter that they have broken theirs by dropping it. My view on this is that these things are being dropped everyday - they've sold millions and people can be clumsy (my toddler plays with mine!). Inevitably some are going to fall the wrong way and will break. Mine isn't wrapped up in cotton wool but it cost enough to want to take reasonable care of it - perhaps the best advice is try not to drop it!
- Is this a good choice, If I sell my smartphone and get Nexus 7 and a simple phone to manage calls and sms.
It depends. Do you need 3G access? Do you like having a handy camera in your phone? The N7 is very portable, but you wouldn't want to slip it in your pocket on a night out. I think only you can judge this.
- Overall, how much will you rate your Nexus7 out of score of 10.
I'd give it a 9. I really love it but I wanted SD card expansion so that was my compromise. There are ways to live with this though and you'll find plenty of chat on the forum. Flash support is another niggle. Other than that there's not much I'd change.
Honestly the best $250 I've ever spent. Lacking in a few areas but Deff wished they put in a micro sd slot. Regardless still give it a 9/10
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First of all, I don't have the Nexus 7 yet, but I am familiar with the most stuff around.
- I used the way slower Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 @1,38 GHz with Android 4.1.1, very smooth & "buttery", I can't believe that the faster Nexus 7 would lag here
- Gaming: Sorry, no idea.
- Well, it can't be that bad crap from Asus, it's cheap because of missing things (eg back camera & light, microSD-card slot). It has a Gorilla Glass display, that's really good -> check out Ericas XDA Video: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-t...ass-drops-tests-composition-xda-developer-tv/
- I own also a Galaxy Nexus, use it mobile/out of the house and anywhere and I don't wanna miss that one. It will be a "it depends on" thing. Honestly, more important to me it's the smartphone.
- Ratings - it also depends on. But for my usage it would be about 8/10.
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The Nexus 7 does not have Gorilla Glass. It's just a scratch resistant glass from Corning.
i would say it needs a screen protector.. the first nexus 7 i had the kids managed to get some hair line scatches on it.. i managed to sell it for full purchase price and bought a new one... i am quite anal about scratched screeens! i havent taken the replacement out of its plastic wrap yet.. am waiting for screen protector to arrive
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The Nexus 7 does not have Gorilla Glass. It's just a scratch resistant glass from Corning.
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veeman said:
The Nexus 7 does not have Gorilla Glass. It's just a scratch resistant glass from Corning.
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Argh. You're right. I always assumed that this is Gorilla Glass. Google did not agree, just said "scratch-resistant Corning glass". I'm sorry .
Since I bought my Nexus 7, I don't use my galaxy s2 anymore, only for calls nexus 7 is perfect for browsing YouTube videos and gaming
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What do people think about the new Advent Vega Tegra 4 Note 7???
http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadg...-tegra-note-7-has-plenty-of-power-on-a-budget
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What do people think about the new Advent Vega Tegra 4 Note 7???
http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadg...-tegra-note-7-has-plenty-of-power-on-a-budget
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so tempted to get one!
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/lapto...a-tegra-note-7-tablet-16-gb-21812495-pdt.html
question is... can it get Root!?
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so tempted to get one!
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/lapto...a-tegra-note-7-tablet-16-gb-21812495-pdt.html
question is... can it get Root!?
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I've been holding out, really wanted a nexus 7, but for this price the spec seems insane. any feedback jenkins? Love it? hate it?
I'm likely to get one of these. Looks brilliant.
Question is, will PC World (or someone else in the UK) be stocking the slide cover? It's not shown on the site, and it look like a really nice addition to the device.
The other question, for me, is will it support GameStream?
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I'm likely to get one of these. Looks brilliant.
Question is, will PC World (or someone else in the UK) be stocking the slide cover? It's not shown on the site, and it look like a really nice addition to the device.
The other question, for me, is will it support GameStream?
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Apparently the cover will be another few weeks in arriving in Currys/PC World, and less than 1 for 1 availability to begin with against the tablet so get in there quick on the order if you want the official magnetic cover.
Clean UI. SD card slot. Neat thin-nibbed capacitive stylus - better than expected given passive and feels more pleasantly substantive than S-Pen.
Needs root to get rid of all Google extras (most of which I personally do not want). Seems worryingly slow to recharge for some reason. Factory reset once as whole system slowed down. Form factor utilitarian (but I quite like it).
hey guys just some feed back i have my Note, and i love it. its Crazy fast. and for performance , its at the top of all benchmarks iv tried its a bit heaver than the nexus 7 (2013), my mother has one, and a bit dimmer and yes the screen rez is alot lower on the note, BUT, the games look amazing. not only that but for when using it with say... PPSSPP, you see a bit frame jump. just need to wait for the dev's to fix for specific games. the front camera is shocking.. but you will never use that. and for the back, its fun and has slow-mo, which made me and my misses laugh a bit. the pen is amazing too, Very fast response time, and very good to use with Fruit ninja, and cut the rope for example, for web surfing, its Fast i mean Really fast compared the the old nexus 7. the speakers are Very loud and clear.
over all i love this.! just waiting on the slide case and the other pens to come out!
Picked up mine yesterday and so far very pleased. Its worlds apart from my original Vega!
Hoping to grab the official cover soon as available.
The screen is supposedly the same as the original Nexus 7 and is more decent though not retina searingly bright which I don't mind.
Dead Trigger 2 works beautifully at max detail. I played using my Ouya controller which paired perfectly and just needed to remap controls to pad buttons.
Lots of things to try out in the coming days.
Glad to hear it guys, I should be picking mine up soon. I've been really reading into this tablet and not a lot seems to be going on in the realms of root etc.
I have found this though:
http://b.it168.com/thread-4737246-1-1.html
http://b.it168.com/thread-4736898-1-1.html
Definitely needs translating though as I cant read chinese. This seems to be based on the same tablet platform but has no Gapps? I wouldnt try it out but could be a decent start?
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Glad to hear it guys, I should be picking mine up soon. I've been really reading into this tablet and not a lot seems to be going on in the realms of root etc.
I have found this though:
http://b.it168.com/thread-4737246-1-1.html
http://b.it168.com/thread-4736898-1-1.html
Definitely needs translating though as I cant read chinese. This seems to be based on the same tablet platform but has no Gapps? I wouldnt try it out but could be a decent start?
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I am hoping for a little more support and a root for mine too. hopefully someone smarter than me can figure it out.
Brew
can anyone get the USB Drivers to work ? cant get it to connect
If you are looking for a root tool try this thread -: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2541784:
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can anyone get the USB Drivers to work ? cant get it to connect
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Yes,
When its plugged in, did it say that "fastboot" drivers couldnt be installed? Go to settings-about the tablet. tap on the build number until developer options are unlocked. activate usb debugging. drivers will reinstall and viola! working drivers.
just a update, i got it working thanks.. im not "new" to rooting and flashing. the problem was windows 8.1, the silly thing is... i had to install the media pack, because im on w windows 8.1 (N), So just look out for all of you having problems. i was having the same problem with my galaxy note n7000,, then i installed windows meda pack, and it work's, Thanks anyway though
got mine today, this tablet is fast very fast compared to my nexus 7 2012.
has anyone got a nexus 7 2013 and this tegra note? what sort of speed difference is there between the two?
everything on my tablet seems to be working fine. GPS has not acquired a fix yet but I haven't played much with it yet to do some in depth testing.
Agreed
Had mine abut 5 weeks now. First unit came with defective SD slot, but was exchanged, new unit 100%
Faassst... responsive , great for gaming and multimedia
Only downsides so far are screen resolution could be better and wireless is 802.11 b/g/n I would have preferred 802.11 a/b/g/n- basically 1080p across a (fairly well saturated) wireless connection stutters, played from local media is fine
Nice piece of kit. Switched "down" from a 10.1' tablet for the gaming performance and actually prefer this form factor. All round pleased.
kippies said:
Had mine abut 5 weeks now. First unit came with defective SD slot, but was exchanged, new unit 100%
Faassst... responsive , great for gaming and multimedia
Only downsides so far are screen resolution could be better and wireless is 802.11 b/g/n I would have preferred 802.11 a/b/g/n- basically 1080p across a (fairly well saturated) wireless connection stutters, played from local media is fine
Nice piece of kit. Switched "down" from a 10.1' tablet for the gaming performance and actually prefer this form factor. All round pleased.
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In what way was your SD slot defective? I'm having some issues with mine, just wondering what symptoms you had?
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In what way was your SD slot defective? I'm having some issues with mine, just wondering what symptoms you had?
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sorry for delay in reply. It was very difficult to insert micro SD . When it was inserted it was hit and miss if it was recognised. The mini USB (charge) cable was also iffy. It seemed like the main board was misaligned from the port holes in the case.
Anybody found a decent case yet.
Hi , I am also trying to find a case but can't find any gel cases for it.
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Advent Vega Tegra Note 7 wifi
hi after getting the screen replaced on my Advent Vega Tegra Note 7 the WIFI wont stay connected. i can sit my tablet right next to the router and i get some signal. if i take it to the next room i loose it. be four i got the screen replaced it picked the signal up to problem through the flat.
hellp i have no clew at all.
Hi everyone.
I'm very excited for getting a Nexus 9 this year, at this could be my first 4:3 Android device, and I'm generallyinterested in how this device would get incorporated into my everyday life.
However I'm kinda in a struggle to justify the 550$ for the 32GB LTE version (well, that's probably a common thing now) AND considering I'm planning to get the LTE version - I'm kinda worried that this model may not be the quickest one to receive the updates, as is seen with the N7 LTE, which by the way STILL hasn't gotten a 5.0 official ROM, and there's already 5.0.1 out, plus the fact that T-Mobile announced today that it's getting delayed, so basically I might not even be lucky enough to get one before Christmas (as I live outside the US).
All of this has me thinking - are there really good alternatives to Nexus 9 today?
I know there are great tablets such as Tab Pro 10.1 and Tab Pro 12.2, as well as Xperia Tablet Z2 and I think Asus has one or two good 10-inchers out there - all of the listed have failry great specs, have KitKat on board, and pack LTE inside them.
But the Nexus has me in because of the pure AOSP I'n getting with it, along with guaranteed 2 years of updates ahead
So, if you can give - please give me a list of 9-10" tablets that apply to the following requirements:
- Priced about the same as N9 LTE
- Have a 32GB or an SD-card expansion option
- Have the latest version of Android
- Have LTE support
- Have a moderately good development community, at least so the device would have an AOSP build available (such as CyanogenMod, for example)
Thanks in advance!
You have basically described the nvidia Shield except for the screen being 8 inches instead of 9.
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Nvidia shield tablet is perfect
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I forgot to mention that I am currently rocking Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 LTE, and I am looking for a replacement of both of these tablets with one device, that's why I also looked at Nexus 9, and ideally the device should have a big display
Shield Tablet just doesn't cut it for me as the screen is too small + it's not really convenient for productivity usage such as Evernote
Fatal1ty_93_RUS said:
I forgot to mention that I am currently rocking Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 LTE, and I am looking for a replacement of both of these tablets with one device, that's why I also looked at Nexus 9, and ideally the device should have a big display
Shield Tablet just doesn't cut it for me as the screen is too small + it's not really convenient for productivity usage such as Evernote
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If big display is primary concern get the Nexus 9, but make sure you get it from somewhere you can get a replacement easily.
Do note that WiFi version already have unimpressive battery life, wonder how much poorer LTE version will be.
I'd consider an iPad Mini Retina, they're cheap right now, or an iPad Air.
Stresa said:
You have basically described the nvidia Shield except for the screen being 8 inches instead of 9.
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The shield community still seems a bit early/immature. Not really much development going on.
LG G Tab 8.3 Google Play Edition
Deltadroid said:
LG G Tab 8.3 Google Play Edition
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How well did the SD 600 behave its a bit old SoC!!im also looking for a tablet....im pretty consern about the battery life..as a nexus user i don't want to look over and over again about my battery stats..
The SD 600 seems to play very nicely with CM12. I actually bought the locked (but hackable) v500 model and the Google Play Edition is the v510. Both models are good, but the v500 might have a little more international support.
http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-htc-release-new-tablet-based-nexus-9-573555/
Here's an interesting future option.
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Imho, there isn't another tablet that will rival the n9 when all things are considered. I didn't want to cough up the money as I honestly feel that the n9 is overpriced because of its limited storage, mind you I have the 32gb version. 32gb is really low for a media consumption device so 16gb is simply unacceptable and should be done away with all together. I value my timely updates and I know Google will push out updates for at least the next 2 years, how much is that worth to you? There are only 2 companies I trust with updates, Apple and Google.
Fwiw, I was leaning towards an iPad mini 2 32gb as it cost much less and is a well built product but I don't like how constrictive iOS is, weird because I've loved every Mac I've owned. Apples to oranges I suppose, no pun intended.
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Would about the Galaxy Tab S ?
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Would about the Galaxy Tab S ?
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Slow SoC and capacitive buttons are activated accidentally. Battery life is pretty low for everything except watching videos. Nice screen though.
Great
Great Info. Thanks
Go with a N9 WiFi-only
My 2 cents: what I've always done is have a WiFi-only tablet, because it's cheaper, and use tethering on my phone whenever I need to connect that tablet to the internet while on the move. Another advantage is that with a WiFi only tablet, your battery life will be much larger (granted, the fact you have to keep your phone in tethering mode drains a bit of battery on the phone, but it's tolerable). Right now I have a Nexus 7 WiFi only and a Nexus 5 LTE, and soon I'm thinking about upgrading to a Nexus 9 WiFi only. That way it won't be terribly expensive (the N9 WiFi 32GB is $479). Oh, and an extra advantage of a WiFi-only tablet: there is no carrier to control if you get or don't get Android system updates
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Slow SoC and capacitive buttons are activated accidentally. Battery life is pretty low for everything except watching videos. Nice screen though.
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Nexus capacitive buttons are activated more easily, especially when they're a millimeter or two away from the Plex console buttons.
Also, when lollipop lags they go down with the ship.
Also, they take extra effort to retrieve when in full screen mode.
Also, they always cut into screen real estate (e.g. Hangouts now has 4 total toolbars on its main window, counting buttons, notification shade, tabs, and user slide out menu and call tab shortcut). This isn't a huge deal in portrait mode but it can certainly become one in landscape. When you're trying to play a game or... See first point.
I think the best competitor is the iPad Mini.
They're both running allegedly laggy 64 bit dual core processors. Either way, seems about even.
They're both touted as top of the line by their respective ecosystem owning companies.
They have identical aspect ratios and screen resolutions.
They both underwent a significant visual overhaul.
The iPad will actually net you 64gb for $500, where Google makes only a 32gb version of the Nexus 9 for a relatively outrageous $480.
Apple has famous customer service and kiosks. Google might call you if they feel like it.
iOS has App Ops built in. It lets you control your privacy with things like location. Android has Google Play Services. It never stops checking your location.
Both let you turn off background data.
Both support external storage if it's inconveniently attached with a cable or something.
Both support third party keyboards.
Both have silly slider-button combination quick toggles. Android's has more options and iOS' only needs a single swipe with a single finger to appear.
Both have an app switching screen that now shows you very few apps* unless you start sliding around.
Neither let you access your apps' Settings pages from the notification bar* .
* these features were removed in Lollipop to make comparisons to iOS devices more fitting.
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Nexus capacitive buttons are activated more easily, especially when they're a millimeter or two away from the Plex console buttons.
Also, when lollipop lags they go down with the ship.
Also, they take extra effort to retrieve when in full screen mode.
Also, they always cut into screen real estate (e.g. Hangouts now has 4 total toolbars on its main window, counting buttons, notification shade, tabs, and user slide out menu and call tab shortcut). This isn't a huge deal in portrait mode but it can certainly become one in landscape. When you're trying to play a game or... See first point.
I think the best competitor is the iPad Mini.
They're both running allegedly laggy 64 bit dual core processors. Either way, seems about even.
They're both touted as top of the line by their respective ecosystem owning companies.
They have identical aspect ratios and screen resolutions.
They both underwent a significant visual overhaul.
The iPad will actually net you 64gb for $500, where Google makes only a 32gb version of the Nexus 9 for a relatively outrageous $480.
Apple has famous customer service and kiosks. Google might call you if they feel like it.
iOS has App Ops built in. It lets you control your privacy with things like location. Android has Google Play Services. It never stops checking your location.
Both let you turn off background data.
Both support external storage if it's inconveniently attached with a cable or something.
Both support third party keyboards.
Both have silly slider-button combination quick toggles. Android's has more options and iOS' only needs a single swipe with a single finger to appear.
Both have an app switching screen that now shows you very few apps* unless you start sliding around.
Neither let you access your apps' Settings pages from the notification bar* .
* these features were removed in Lollipop to make comparisons to iOS devices more fitting.
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One requires you to be locked to the ball and chain called iTunes. I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye then be choked to death by iTunes.
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One requires you to be locked to the ball and chain called iTunes. I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye then be choked to death by iTunes.
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Most of the Nexus is also locked down out of the box. I've found myself tethered to the Google Play Services app in ways that can only be described as unhealthy, even as yesterday that app needed a complete deletion to stop searching for my location via GPS. and
And I'm not a huge Google's fan to begin with. It'd be an interesting experiment to test ecosystem reliance.
As for $20 limited movie licenses on both ecosystems, I'm thrilled about neither, but in my experience each company is trying somewhat desperately to imitate the other despite still being very different. That alone I think makes looking at the iPad worth a moment.