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Low Saturation and Contrast?

Bought the 10...love the way it runs but I bought it to show my photography work on (would use an ipad but I really detest the ios software).
The entire screen seems to be washed out overall with weak black levels and reds in particular are low saturation.
Sharp as a tack for sure....is it just mine? I see such conflicting reports in reviews although I am seeing more now about low saturation and contrast.
Very frustrating....unless someone out there knows some way of calibrating this display which I haven't found?

you are right
i am also a photographer (Canon 5D MkII)
i have watched some photos now(got my N10 yesterday) and as you said the screen is sharp as hell
i have never seen this amount of details with my DSLR photos.
im also doing hardware calibration and i see whats wrong right away and i have also tested it...the problem is that the gamma is to low.
The N10 has a Gamma Level around 1.4 - 1.5 where it should be 2.2!
(yeah that should make some attention hehe)
thats a fact and thats why we have washed out colors and bad contrast
but the good thing is that even at that low gamma we have a decent picture quality with good black levels!
i dont think the black levels on my device is washed out
it shouldnt be this good with this crappy gamma but it is
thats amazing and that tells that this is a quality screen above normal.
with correct gamma at 2.2 this screen will rock for sure.
so lets wait for some kernel guru to make some gamma adjustments
i have said i before that im willing to pay that person that makes gamma adjustment possible for the N10s.

You are correct...gamma is definitely too low.
As far as washed out reds go, I suppose I could process specifically for display on this tablet but that's a pain in the butt.
I wish the darned ipad wasn't such a restrictive ecosystem for the software. The colors rock on the ipad unfortunately but it's just too darned restrictive.

jfenton57 said:
You are correct...gamma is definitely too low.
As far as washed out reds go, I suppose I could process specifically for display on this tablet but that's a pain in the butt.
I wish the darned ipad wasn't such a restrictive ecosystem for the software. The colors rock on the ipad unfortunately but it's just too darned restrictive.
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im waiting for a i1 Display Pro colormeter
when i get it i will do a hardware calibration.
but i have checked some stuff already and i think that the colors is right for its low gamma.
also the brightness for the colors seems the same for Red/Green/Blue and thats a good thing
also the contrast and black level is reference.
i also think the color temp is close to 6500k
that means that the grayscale is correct.
so the only thing that messes up this display is the low gamma.
(or wrong gamma curve/line)
you have some tests here that you can do without a colormeter,if you want to check it out
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
also you can download the AVSHD 709 Patterns here.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
just copy the mp4 files to your N10 and run them.
one note that i can see is that it seems that the gamma is higher at the lower shades
it seems to be around 1.8 there
that could explain why we dont have completely washed out blacks.
but what you want is a plain straight gamma line at 2.2
the N10 seems to have a hill shaped line starting high at lower shades and lower around maximum white.

I have tested the N10 with a Pantone "hocky puck" and can confirm the observations posted above. As compared to overly saturated profiles most normal users are used to, it's no wonder many see the N10 as flat and dull. My N7 is horrible, not only flat but had a color temp that was blueish green.
Much of my publicly displayed work for general web based consumption, has the saturation pumped up farther then I like, but my "fans" (sarc) seem to enjoy my photographs when contrast and saturation is pushed high. Ironically, my over saturated photographs look good to me on the low gamma N10, lol.
Either way, most all of us would benefit from being able to adjust our N10s. As many of you know this is best done at the kernel level and the master of sound and color Samsung kernels is SuperCurio and his project Voodoo. I have heard hearsay that he is working on kernel code and color profiles that can support adjustments for the N10, but I have yet to confirm this myself.
As usual we are given hardware that needs code improvements to be fully realized and that seems to always be done by the development community. It will taken time but I am confident we'll get there to some degree soon.

As far as I could tell there is no gamma correction in the kernel because the Nexus 10 uses a new display port interface thats in the Exynos 5. Most devices I've seen have at least a static gamma table in the kernel but that doesn't appear to be true for the Nexus 10.
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12paq said:
I have heard hearsay that he is working on kernel code and color profiles that can support adjustments for the N10, but I have yet to confirm this myself.
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give him my money!
that sounds great
post in this thread if you hear more about it!
as i said in other threads i will pay around 50$ for the person that makes gamma adjustment possible for the N10.
btw: hockey puck?
are you serious ?

Screen Modes Comparison?

I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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I was wondering the same. I didn't care for the colors on the S3 and find my iPhone 5 screen/colors much better. I think I'm really going to like the S4, particularly if you can change the display modes.

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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htc has Super LCD
iPhone has IPS
and Samsung has Super AMOLED with some special matrix of pixel from Samsung
So samsung devices are little bit darker than iphones and htcs and thr s little bit problem in sun-light to use tham (u will have to set brightness to 100% to use galaxy S3 (for example) on sun-light)
u can search Galaxies pixel matrix on google and check lots of img about it so u will get ur answer better.
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x102x96x said:
htc has Super LCD
iPhone has IPS
and Samsung has Super AMOLED with some special matrix of pixel from Samsung
So samsung devices are little bit darker than iphones and htcs and thr s little bit problem in sun-light to use tham (u will have to set brightness to 100% to use galaxy S3 (for example) on sun-light)
u can search Galaxies pixel matrix on google and check lots of img about it so u will get ur answer better.
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You haven't read my post have you?

bubu_bubu said:
I've noticed in the phonearena review that there is a new Adobe RGB screen mode and a new Adapt Display option. Are there any articles that show and tell exactly how these work and if the colour reproduction is as good as the iphone 5 or HTC one?
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To the OP, check this piece via GSMArena (with links to the original source) - looks like the Adobe and Film modes are the real deal for colour temperature and accuracy. Colour accuracy is dramatically better than the One, which has a colour temperature of ~8000 (worse than the S3, decidedly blue tint that discolours greys in particular, I notice the same on my HTC BUtterfly).

First, title says it all
Comparison threads are not allowed on xda

CNexus said:
First, title says it all
Comparison threads are not allowed on xda
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whats your problem why dont you go troll somewhere else. you have to make silly comment on each thread.
OP i have just had Galaxy S4 coluor reproduction isnt as goo as lcds unfortunately. still same on RGB mode screen get dimmer too

Xperia Z2 better screen than Note3

Xperia Z2 vs Note3 screen comparison (VIDEO):
link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQP-JGwNmzA

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mm79k said:
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The same is here: http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/1...t-the-galaxy-note-3-sony-has-come-a-long-way/

Kinda depends on your definition of better I guess, the colors are more vibrant now on the Z2 it seems but I thought that people were shouting that the less vibrant colors on the Z1 were better because they were 'more real'. Looks as if some filter was applied in the Z2 (or Note3)...
But yeah, hope they improved the screen (viewing angles and such) on the Z2. Loving the Z1 so if they improved it, kudos to Sony.

mm79k said:
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Bro, try again. Now works

dagrim1 said:
Kinda depends on your definition of better I guess, the colors are more vibrant now on the Z2 it seems but I thought that people were shouting that the less vibrant colors on the Z1 were better because they were 'more real'. Looks as if some filter was applied in the Z2 (or Note3)...
But yeah, hope they improved the screen (viewing angles and such) on the Z2. Loving the Z1 so if they improved it, kudos to Sony.
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Vibrant and over saturation are 2 different things, those pentile OLED to me looks like color is bleeding out of the screen which I hate. Crazy when you think about the price of bravia W900 with the triluminos tech compare to OLED.

so which one is more oversaturated now? and who are the ones yelling for privacy? i so want to see their comments

0000alex0000 said:
so which one is more oversaturated now? and who are the ones yelling for privacy? i so want to see their comments
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going with all the hands on preview, Z2 color is rich but not over saturated.

[Q] Samsung Galaxy S5 Display (Color Representation)

Hi,
I'm in process of buying Galaxy S5 but have one question to be answered. I've read some mixed reviews regarding the display performance and color representation of the S5 and I couldn't decide who to believe. I've read that cinema mode is the most accurate but also seen some reviews that it isn't as good either. A one of the most recent article on PhoneArena about displays also added to my fears regarding S5 display.
I want to ask from S5 users that is it really the case, does it really noticeable while viewing videos/images or playing games etc. How does cinema mode competes with M8, Z2 etc.

Phonearena have done quite a few blunders recently in their reviews, I don't trust them.
I'd rather go for AnandTech and DisplayMate test results. They have given the S5 very high marks.
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drakester09 said:
Phonearena have done quite a few blunders recently in their reviews, I don't trust them.
I'd rather go for AnandTech and DisplayMate test results. They have given the S5 very high marks.
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Thanks for your reply. As you are using S5 can you please tell me your personal experience with display.

I recently changed from a S3 to S5 (G900F). The colors are much more natural than S3's, the screen is a lot brighter and the quality is awesome. It has extremely deep black so deep that you can't distinguish if the screen is off or on! Even in a dark room. The brightness helps when you are outdoors. I live in Macedonia, Greece and here in Greece we have a lot of sunshine through the year, especially now I find it easier to use under sunlight than the S3. Also the white is very good.
So, to sum up:
-Natural colors
-Deep black
-Very bright when you need it.
-Battery savings thanks to amoled technology.
I recommend that you use the phone in person before buying it, from a friend or at a store. This is my personal experience so don't take it for granted. You may end up with different results from me when you use it because everyone has different needs/expectations.

tahirk said:
Thanks for your reply. As you are using S5 can you please tell me your personal experience with display.
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I really like it but I use it on Cinema mode all the time. I can't stand oversaturation coming from a Nexus 5.

So, would you guys suggest that Cinema Mode is the way to go for everyday use?

drakester09 said:
I really like it but I use it on Cinema mode all the time. I can't stand oversaturation coming from a Nexus 5.
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Does it gets close to Nexus 5 in Cinema mode?

tahirk said:
Does it gets close to Nexus 5 in Cinema mode?
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Quite a bit, it's not bad at all.

Cinema mode is the Most natural But is stile Not perfect. With root could be possible To chance color value in The Files with The screen configurations? Chance The code strings. Because it is only a setting like The TV setting preset... But on a TV we Can set manually contrast gamma saturation ecc.. It would be interesting To find Files in The Phone that contains The sets of The screen And Try To change......

Display white balance calibration and settings

Hi everyone,
Just want to start this and hopefully we can share color calibration / white balance settings.
Currently running using
Mode: standard
WB: R60 G10 B30

All displays are unique, so you wouldn't be able to use my white balance settings without any noticeable tint.
Other than that I'm using the sRGB mode.

while i agree that each is unique, i would expect the manufacturing standards to maintain a low level of discrepancy.
also, i merely wanted users to share their settings, so that we can try them out and then decide for ourselves.
MuffinBomber said:
All displays are unique, so you wouldn't be able to use my white balance settings without any noticeable tint.
Other than that I'm using the sRGB mode.
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bummerboy said:
while i agree that each is unique, i would expect the manufacturing standards to maintain a low level of discrepancy.
also, i merely wanted users to share their settings, so that we can try them out and then decide for ourselves.
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Well, if you are still interested, I'm using R:0; G:110; B:160.
My screen had a red tint out of the box.