Recently OnePLus launched a campaign to advertise it's new smartphone. In my opinion this campaign is totally shameful and reckless because it doesn't care about sustainability and responsibility for the environment at all.
This is why I started a protest website against it: http://smashselfishness.geckosplace.de/en/
Maybe you feel similiar about this campaign, in which case I would ask you to support the matter. In any case I encourage you to discuss is here.
Just for clarification: I think the OnePlus is a very interesting product. But I totally dislike this campaign.
Why so mate?
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I agree, that campaign is totally stupid. And very typical of Chinese person/company (I'm Han Chinese too), they have total disregard for their environment and the environment of others and encourages materialism and conspicuous consumption.
That is a freakin China company.
That's why I don't use those China brand products, don't use wechat etc.
and the politic in hk is sucks!
Wow such hate ..much disrespect.. Wow
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This is idiotic.
1. There are only 100 phones to be smashed.
2. You are only supposed to smash your phone if you are selected to.
3. There is no requirement that the phone be smashed beyond the point of recycling.
4. The fact they are Chinese is irrelevant.
5. I can almost guarantee you that the Galaxy S4 Mini that you own (based on your posting history) did a LOT more damage to the environment during its production than 100 people hitting their phones with a baseball bat will do. This makes you an utter hypocrite; if you cared so much about enviornmental damage and sustainability, you wouldn't be using a phone created by one of the largest smartphone manufacturers on the planet.
You took a tiny, tiny marketing stunt that makes no dent in the e-waste produced by the world on a daily basis, you made a website "protesting it" (making it about you and your outrage instead about the cause you believe in), and you expect people to agree with you.
No, I don't "feel similar about this campaign" and no sane, intelligent, rational person would feel the same as you about this either.
I agree with OP.
(When I told my girlfriend about One plus phone and how good it looked, she asked why I wasn't entering the $1 competition. I told her I didn't think it was right to smash up my S3 just to get the latest tech - even if it is for a dollar).
Stupid marketing ploy with no concern for environment.
Doesn't say good things about the company.
Surely a little bit of common sense and someone with a bit of creativity could of come up with something just as 'catchy' but without the need to encourage mindless destruction of perfectly useable tech.
Why not encourage people to give their phones to someone less fortunate. Might make people feel good and would promote positive image of company.
Idiotic, senseless and badly thought-out marketing strategy.
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Agreed.
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No, I don't "feel similar about this campaign" and no sane, intelligent, rational person would feel the same as you about this either.
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Speak for yourself.
20,000 phones a day (or more, probably more actually) end up in landfills and garbage, I mean really: you're worried about 100?
Seriously?
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This is idiotic.
1. There are only 100 phones to be smashed.
2. You are only supposed to smash your phone if you are selected to.
3. There is no requirement that the phone be smashed beyond the point of recycling.
4. The fact they are Chinese is irrelevant.
5. I can almost guarantee you that the Galaxy S4 Mini that you own (based on your posting history) did a LOT more damage to the environment during its production than 100 people hitting their phones with a baseball bat will do. This makes you an utter hypocrite; if you cared so much about enviornmental damage and sustainability, you wouldn't be using a phone created by one of the largest smartphone manufacturers on the planet.
You took a tiny, tiny marketing stunt that makes no dent in the e-waste produced by the world on a daily basis, you made a website "protesting it" (making it about you and your outrage instead about the cause you believe in), and you expect people to agree with you.
No, I don't "feel similar about this campaign" and no sane, intelligent, rational person would feel the same as you about this either.
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1. 100 phone only because the company is a small one and they can not afford a bigger number. The number is irrelevant, it shows you how stupid and an attention whore this company is.
2. The environment does not discriminate whose phone is smashed. That is one extra phone wasted for no good reason.
3. WTF? Nice logic. Am I suppose to just damage consumer goods so that they can be recycled? Electronic products can not be 100% recycled, some of the components are while the rest go to the dump. So even if the smashed phone is recycled, it is a waste of resource and detriment to the environment.
4. Yeah it has. As I said, I am Chinese and I know Chinese mentality when it comes to stunts like this. You will never see a Western company asking consumers to smash their gadget in order to buy one for $1.
5. WTF? Again, buying from a large or small company have nothing to do with how you as an individual use your device. In fact, Samsung and other large company are more effective at mass production so that their environmental damage caused per phone is much smaller than a smaller tech company can. If I use my Samsung Note 2 for five years while some idiot smash their phone from a small company every year to get a new one, who is doing more damage to the environment? What a stupid logic.
The protection of the Earth is not only the responsibility of the corporation, but also the individual.
I would be more supportive of this stupid ass company if they offered to trade to let me trade in my device for their phone for $1 and then donate my phone to those Chinese who could not afford a smartphone.
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20,000 phones a day (or more, probably more actually) end up in landfills and garbage, I mean really: you're worried about 100?
Seriously?
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I think you misunderstand.
It's the principle of the marketing campaign.
I'm sure one lorry driving 100 miles would (probably) cause more pollution - but that's not the point OP is making is it.
Imagine all companies started promoting there new products in this vain (which they wouldn't as the idea is completely flawed, unsustainable and idiotic - pandering to consumerism at it's worst).
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1. 100 phone only because the company is a small one and they can not afford a bigger number. The number is irrelevant, it shows you how stupid and an attention whore this company is.
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..can not "afford a bigger number". Right. That's why general availability will be coming for the 16GB immediately in May, and full scale availability for the 64 will be in June. Because they can't afford it. What a foolish statement. It's a hundred phones because it's the initial batch to peak people's interest and kick off the invitation system. Anyone with any level of intelligence can see that.
2. The environment does not discriminate whose phone is smashed. That is one extra phone wasted for no good reason.
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Amazing! You must have taken every single other avenue that exists out there to bring awareness to the issue of electronic waste to have arrived at this one! Right?
3. WTF? Nice logic. Am I suppose to just damage consumer goods so that they can be recycled?
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...are you....sane? No, you're not "suppose[sic]" to do anything. No one is forcing you to do anything. Allow me to propose to you a RADICAL and AMAZING idea, one that most likely has not entered your head yet because you've got the blinders of outrage strapped to your face. Don't. Smash. Your. Phone. Don't do it! If you want the phone, wait until you can pay the normal price, and then recycle your old phone, and that's that, isn't it? Have I utterly blown your mind yet?
Electronic products can not be 100% recycled, some of the components are while the rest go to the dump. So even if the smashed phone is recycled, it is a waste of resource and detriment to the environment.
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Right, so do you also demonize people who accidentally break their phones, people who have phones which die, people who buy new phones because their old ones are out of date, people who buy new batteries for their phones, people who get their phones fixed at cellphone repair stores (who may or many not recycle)? Do you get mad at them too? No, you probably don't, because that would require you to be consistent.
4. Yeah it has. As I said, I am Chinese and I know Chinese mentality when it comes to stunts like this. You will never see a Western company asking consumers to smash their gadget in order to buy one for $1.
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Yes, I'm sure that's one OnePlus's intention was all along. Not to build a phone and sell it or anything. Not to attract any sort of attention to the device, no, secretly, they're all anti-environment and they want to punish the environment by concocting an evil plan in which they will FORCE people to destroy their phones and pollute th--wait, no, that's not how it is at all and you just want it to be out of your own bias.
5. WTF? Again, buying from a large or small company have nothing to do with how you as an individual use your device. In fact, Samsung and other large company are more effective at mass production so that their environmental damage caused per phone is much smaller than a smaller tech company can. If I use my Samsung Note 2 for five years while some idiot smash their phone from a small company every year to get a new one, who is doing more damage to the environment? What a stupid logic.
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What an idiotic, uninformed statement. You think Samsung, because it is large, generates less environmental damage? Do you have any idea how much pollution, in toxins, liquid, an e-waste Foxconn generates on a daily basis? People DIE daily in their factories from inhaling chemicals and drinking water from the area. The social, economical, environmental, and mental damage done by large companies like Samsung in their manufacturing plants TOWERS over 100 people hitting their phones with a hammer. Choosing not to partake in an entirely voluntary marketing scheme where only 100 people smash their phones (and most will probably still be recycled) is NOT the same as a multi-billion dollar company stamping out hundreds of thousands of smartphones every day.
The protection of the Earth is not only the responsibility of the corporation, but also the individual.
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So why is this particular individual not refusing to buy or use anything from any company that contributes to the destruction of the Earth? Oh, that's right, because environmentalism is only a topic of discussion when it's convenient for you. You love the idea of "protecting the Earth" but you wouldn't let it get in the way of you enjoying your next mobile device.
I would be more supportive of this stupid ass company if they offered to trade to let me trade in my device for their phone for $1 and then donate my phone to those Chinese who could not afford a smartphone.
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What a load of bull. You'd be supportive of that because it would be cheap for you, not because of your pseudo-philanthropic claims of wanting to save the environment.
If you cared so much, you'd donate your phone to the Chinese who can't afford it, and you'd do it WITHOUT needing to be bribed by a new $1 smartphone.
Sorry folks, this thread could easily slip into serious off topic arguments and trolling...
Buy the phone, try the phone, interact with the respectful members here. If you do not like the marketing, then do not buy it.
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I know this isn't a news section, as I have been posting news a lot - but I just love the fact that HTC did this! However, forgive me for my lack of relevance to the Nexus One in this post.
I don't have to time to post the entire article, but here is the link: http://gizmodo.com/5537316/htc-coun...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)
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I know this isn't a news section, as I have been posting news a lot - but I just love the fact that HTC did this! However, forgive me for my lack of relevance to the Nexus One in this post.
I don't have to time to post the entire article, but here is the link: http://gizmodo.com/5537316/htc-coun...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)
Happy days?
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Considering Apple is about 40X larger than HTC, I'm sure Apple is just shivering in their boots. Unless Google goes to bat with HTC, I fear this is going to be a lose-lose situation.
There are a lot of angles and too many unknowns to make much of this now. Down the road things should get interesting.
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Considering Apple is about 40X larger than HTC, I'm sure Apple is just shivering in their boots. Unless Google goes to bat with HTC, I fear this is going to be a lose-lose situation.
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Aw, well that sucks.. this thread was quite pointless, this news isn't as interesting as it previously was before. I would rather it be locked, or removed entirely if possible.
As long as this "lose lose situation" doesn't negatively effect Android, I'm fine with however they settle this feud..
Their best defence is a counter suit?
nevermind.....
I'm so happy HTC did this....
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Their best defence is a counter suit?
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That's pretty common with suits like this where one party is obviously just taking a shot at a single competitor.
It's basically just a way to point out to Apple that nit-picking enforcement on their entire patent library works both ways and with the number and type of patents that technology companies apply for (tons and generic, respectively), you're bound to be stepping on the toes of someone.
Hopefully both companies will look at the cost it would take to play this out in court, decide to shake hands, drop the lawsuits, and work it out in their licensing offices.
You can bet your ass that none of this will affect any of Apple's iProducts.
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You can bet your ass that none of this will affect any of Apple's iProducts.
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I should remove that from the title, I shouldn't have tried to be so dramatic with the thread name..
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I should remove that from the title, I shouldn't have tried to be so dramatic with the thread name..
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Oh, I wasn't really trying to target the thread title; my point was more that Apple will drop their suit or work out a settlement LONG before they actually go to court over these patent charges if HTC has some valid claims against Apple because it'd be stupid to lose the profit margins on their products over trying to do damage to a competitor.
Their flooding of the market with their products does FAR more damage to the competition than any amount of suing would.
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Oh, I wasn't really trying to target the thread title; my point was more that Apple will drop their suit or work out a settlement LONG before they actually go to court over these patent charges if HTC has some valid claims against Apple because it'd be stupid to lose the profit margins on their products over trying to do damage to a competitor.
Their flooding of the market with their products does FAR more damage to the competition than any amount of suing would.
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Don't you worry about the Thread title, you posted it in General (which in general, Nexus one is still part of HTC and partly concerns it).
Now regarding this, from my side of view (as a paralegal in IP law), HTC actually has a big chance of getting this situation settled, and they can even make some money out of "if ever apple will settle this" which i am sure they will.
In the world of Patents this is how we look at it:
Even if the product of HTC (i.e. first smartphone touchscreen in the U.S. as what they claim to be from T-mobile released in 2002) has not been patented to their rights, but it was publicly published at the time. This can make the apple patent as "invalidated", which apple cannot use to file a lawsuit agaist HTC (basically the case will be dismissed). And this is if HTC proves the USPTO court enough evidence.
Now, i believe HTC has now patents over this touchscreen but not in the U.S. and they are using this to hold off apple importing all their touchscreen based products.
oh man, how i wish we are handling this case!
Most of us are now aware that the sale of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablets have been blocked in Europe (at least for now) by an injunction in favor of Apple's lawsuit...now it appears they are suing Motorola in Europe as well.
(Source: FOSS)
Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16511779#post16511779
That's why I bought my wife a xoom now.
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>Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
That'd be true in two months, regardless.
>Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation
Honestly, you're ranting. That's fine, if it makes you feel better, although not sure why you should feel worse. It's big companies fighting it out. Let them.
Give the judge the benefit of the doubt for competence. If the suit was frivolous, Apple wouldn't have secured an injunction. Whatever legal merit the suit has, frankly, we don't know. Getting upset about it doesn't make us understand it any better.
I will never ever purchase an apple product ever
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I will never ever purchase an apple product ever
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My rant:
Likewise. I bought the second Gen iPod when they were a decent company. Then they got in their mind that they can take over the world (which they might) but I think that is very indecent to innovation. I have never had such a hatred to one company and always will.
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It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
It's about time Apple tried to sue someone with a strong patent portfolio. As long as Motorola don't roll over, Apple *are* going to get a bloody nose, because suing over patents nowadays seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the merit of your case.
If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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So you're saying is it would be OK to live in a dictatorship country if it was pretty and had good weather?
Sure Apple makes good products, however there are very good if not better alternatives. Apple improves on one product in the market and makes it incredible. Then other companies start making the products better as well and Apple sues them. Happened to mp3 players and iPods, now happening for tablets and iPads. It hurts innovation and I know Google and Microsoft also sue companies but not as much and not as narrow minded/take over the market mentality that Apple has. Now don't get me wrong I have owned Apple before, and yes their products are well made and innovative. But so are a lot of other brands.
But I do agree on the grander scheme of things if we arn't just talking tech toys that yes it is not a good idea to be narrow minded on anything. I believe that's what you were trying to get at.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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You are saying this as if it is a new phenomenon.
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Put simply, it is easier to deal with absolutes and it is easier to convey opinion to others in absolutes.
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It is human nature to ally with a particular group, society, or set of ideals and denigrate the things that differ from the ideal you are allied with. Countries, religions, sports teams, type of car.... the list is as long as there are comparable objects. It is possible for people to see in shades of right rather than absolutes but this provides no stable platform on which to hang a set of beliefs.
- It is far easier to say "Motorola is incompetent and I will never use them again" than it is to say "Motorola made some serious mistakes with the Xoom but they did do some things right."
- It is easier to say "Motorola is out to screw early Xoom adopters." than it is to say "Motorola is not communicating well with early Xoom adopters."
- It is easier to say "thou shall not kill" than it is to say "thou shall not kill unless it is needed to preserve other life"
- It is easier to say "Other religions are wrong" than it is to say "other religions are different."
- and it is easier to say "Apple is evil" than it is to say "Apple's stance on the similarity between the iPad and Xoom is not reasonable."
Absolutes allow a person to place an idea, group, or company into a position within opinion that requires less thought and little debate. This is comforting to most, requires less consideration, and makes life easier to deal with. The more you deal with a specific idea/group/company the more details you learn and the less likely you are to paint your opinion on the subject with such broad strokes. No one wants to try and know everything in such detail however.
So while it would be better if mankind as a whole took an effort to see the merit in differing opinions on subjects, it is not the nature of man. To try and remove the polarizing nature of the psyche would possibly lead to less conflict but it would also to moral and ethical confusion.
There have been and are individuals who have evolved past this need but those individuals are not common, indeed the most notable have been quite extraordinary.
Here is one take on the patent issue that underlies the various recent legal spats. The commentary delves into more detail than the usual regurgitated pap, and the arguments made are reasonable, at least based on the material as presented.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/11/broken-patent-system/
http://www.daniweb.com/hardware-and...obile-devices/news/376718/1621537#post1621537
DaniWeb can reveal exactly what it is that Apple thinks Samsung has copied, and we hope you are sitting down because the actual community design images contained within that certification are basic to say the least.
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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I don't think you need to worry. Get the Xoom for your girlfriend. If you root it (or even if not) you will continue to have plenty of support for your tablet from this community as well as from Google/Moto. I just think that Apple is not allowed to take over the world. We have to take a stand some time, somewhere.
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It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
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Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
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Totally agree on using better negative terms...I would actually call them "smug and arrogant" more than anything else.
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whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
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whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
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That's a pretty extreme statement.
Apple has the best marketing in the tech world. They also have some decent products, with plenty of objective reasons to choose Apple over the alternatives.
However, remember that marketing is simply making people aware of a product and its features.
I find when talking to people that decisions on platform aren't made over which commercial was the coolest, but rather the features and/or familiarity with the brand.
I would argue that very few people are so superficial as to choose a platform based on "hip"-ness.
The real problem here is not Apple. Whatever you think of iOS, they are just a company using every tool at their disposal to succeed. If roles were reversed any company would do the same.
The problem is a hopelessly broken, pitifully antiquated Patent system that allows absurd patents to be approved.
This problem is compounded by the abuse of "patent troll" companies that never developed a technology or released a product, but simply bought patents and create lawsuits.
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
Actually this video (as some of you would have probably already seen) would be more relevant: especially @4:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I remember that 1994 Steve Jobs interview when he basically admits he steals ideas, but that was when Apple were really struggling so didn't have investors and shareholders that would have shot him in the kneecaps if he said the same thing recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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caslca said:
Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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American courts, American company.
Do you think Johnny Foreigner is ever gonna get a fair trial against a huge American company like Apple? I mean big business always funds election campaigns over there so companies like Apple have basically bought shares in USA plc.
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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The lawyers are horrible. It is easy to defend that. All they need is to get a hand on any documents that show Apple researching Windows OS because everyone knows everyone, including Apple researches other companies.
The recent Samsung documents telling the designers how the Galaxy S should differ from the iPhone are a real blow to the whole case, in my opinion. That's what has to stand the brunt of the attack now.
Also, one of Samsung's documents was rejected by the court. I think they brought it in too late. That's why they leaked it to the public. Ah, Samsung. What are you doing to yourselves?!
Has the whole world gone mad or just America? **** Apple. They will repeat history.. come and go.
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S (mainly i9000 model) from the iPhone. The first thought that came into my head when they revealed the phone was "why does it look like an iphone inside and out?" I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone...even down to the touchwiz icons and UI.
With that being said, the US patent system needs a complete overhaul to stop these frivolous suits and the Supreme Court needs to set precedence once and for all.
Todays consumer are smart. They know what they are buying. A small boy will differentiate sammy from apple. Grow up apple
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S
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Korean, japanese and russian companies all have the same principle: first copy a device, then optimize and extend it so much with the gained experience that it becomes superior to the original.
The Chinese unfortunately are not quite there yet - mainly due to lack of hightech but it won't be long.
I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone
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Sadly only from looks. It was sooooo sloooooow even though it's based on good hardware, mainly because Samsung decided to go with their RFS and other software issues.
For those of you who haven't seen the video
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The main problem with the video is that they exclude software, where Apple (partially more or less involuntarely since they base on FOSS software) has contributed lots of patches and extensions to existing standards and helped push new ones. Google's Chrome for instance would at least have had a much harder start if not for Apple's Safari and the resulting changes in the Webkit engine.
Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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The universal search patent is especially retarded.
This has always been my bugbear with patent law. Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!). However, the simple solution would be to do what LG and Sony already do and that is pay the damned patent license. Yes it increases overall handset cost but not significantly.
It's sad when you consider the patents would have only added on about $5 to the cost of each handset. I doubt anyone would have said "oh man, the s3 is great, but its $5 bucks over my budget".
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Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!).
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Wrong. It may very well be the case that Apple are suing over technology that overlaps with others patents, but it should not be doing so because it does not have the right to sue over patents it has licensed from others. From a legal standpoint they are anything but Apple's patents.
Even Intellectual Property licensed with the explicit intention of allowing a third-party to sue over the IP, isn't valid for a suit (big case on that in recent years).
Licensing means I say "Okay you can use my spatula when you need it in exchange for your mother's bra". It doesn't mean if on some other occasion someone else has it you can scream "Thief!! That spatula doesn't belong to you, give it back!" At the end of the day it's still my spatula so I can still give it to whomever else I want, and if someone steals it, that's my concern not yours.
Same thing: the patents are still Nokia's. The absolute best Apple could do is pressure Nokia into suing. You cannot sue on someone else's behalf except in exceptional cases like the would-be plaintiff is under-age, or dead.
Well, whatever the case may be, we all know that Apple is a crap company and it's trying to threaten our beloved Android. I love the fact that Android is open-source. I love the fact that Android-based devices are popping up everywhere. Nikon has made an Android-based camera. Isn't it lovely when all your devices use the same software? Isn't it amazing that we can legally hack these devices and modify them? Thank you Google for being such a friendly company!
This section is for the discussion of the SGS3, not for apple nonsense.
Closed.
http://mashable.com/2012/08/25/verdict-benefit-samsung-apple/
What do ya'll think? Does this make you think twice about any purchase's you make??
boom boom pow!
samsung must learn the lesson...
"invent uniquely"
That actually makes a lot of sense, 1 billion dollars isn't much considering how many phones Sammy sold/will sell on the back of emulating apple.
Best advertising campaign indeed, people will now see that apple are bending them over and banging them without even having the courtesy of using lube when it comes to price.
I kinda knew that somehow apple would be their own downfall and it will be something like this, there is always a case of being too smart for your own good.
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Oh I'm sure Samsung was just waiting for your advice before they made their next move. Finally
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1 billion is all what apple can get! what else? they have nothing left in their pocket to accuse samsung...
Samsung has already changed their hardware and software design starting from s3.. Apart from the software patents nothing is going to hurt samsung.
Apple dug its own grave
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My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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No they should not. Keep in mind that Samsung now earns on both their own phones and iPhones, this is business and business is about squeezing out every last dime.
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Makes total sense.
Apple accuses Samsung of patent infringing features and designs. Meaning you pay less for the same if you go with Samsung. And another thing brought to mind is Apple obviously didn't care to much about the said patents, they settled for 1.05 BILLION dollars, meaning Samsung doesn't have to change a damn thing.
Like the article says “Best billion dollar ad campaign Samsung ever had.”
IMHO the patents at question are generic to almost ALL mobile OS's, just Samsung can execute much better than any other company and Apple saw them as a threat so the only logical way to go about it was a lawsuit...
My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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Apple didn't settle for anything. Samsung made offers but Apple took it all the way to trial. The jury awarded 1.05 billion didn't they? Im not that familiar with patent law in the US, but it seems like they've been awarded that amount and it's tough **** if they don't like it.
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My advice to Samsung though, break contract with Apple and quit making iPhone parts! =P
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That's really bad advice. You might as well tell Apple to stop selling iPods. Selling components is one of Samsungs main businesses, they're obviously not going to stop doing that for one of their main customers.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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I agree that 1 bil $ is too low. Samsung came from nowhere to the top by copying Apple products. They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones while their competitors like HTC and Motorola struggled trying to market their not-copied original designs. This is just a slap on the wrist. The verdict should have at least been for 20 bil $ in my opinion.
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Samsung became top smartphone company because they wasnt sleeping and was giving latest/best hardware smartphones not because "copying" apple..... ^^
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Yep.. totally agree with you.
Samsung's main strategy is marketing. Here in India if you enter a mobile store the first thing they show is a Samsung phone in your budget. They do the same for television sets and refrigerators.
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How many iPhones and ipads have sold in the last few Years? To which Samsung supply chips for both, pretty sure the 1+bn dollar would have nearly been paid by apple them selves.
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They made tens of billions on phones that look exacly like iPhones
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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You mean rectangular phones with a screen? Car manufacturers make billions as well using the round wheel on their cars instead of developing some other shape. And why is that? Because it's the most optimal shape. Tell me how to make a touchscreen phone without using a rectangular shape with a large screen covering most of the phone.
The problem in this case is apple getting a patent on a god damn generic thing. You wouldn't let someone patent the wheel would you? It's the same ****ing thing.
But yeah, nothing would please me more than this lawsuit blowing up in apples face.
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The galaxy S2 and S3 don't look like iPhones, but the original galaxy S looks near identical to the iPhone. Samsung themselves have proved its possible not to copy.
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even a five year old knows what the difference between a galaxy s and iphone , seriously if any company wants to copy a iphone , lol mold it into a exact replica of it , why bother to add two extra capacitive buttons on it
Well i remember going into an O2 shop with my daughter who was 10 at the time, and she picked up the galaxy s and said wow Samsung are making an iphone.......
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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I think that Samsung infringed on Apple patents but that those patents were invalid. The jury were given a questionnaire that first set out whether those patents were infringed and then they were asked to discuss whether those patents were valid.. it's seems pretty backward to discuss it like that and I believe that the jury went in with prejudice that the patents were already valid without exploring the matter in more detail.
If you were reading into the trial, you would be more inclined to believe that there was substantial evidence of prior art for most if not all of Apple's patents.
Samsung didn't grow by copying Apple but by offering choice to consumers by flooding the market with differently model tiers and designs. The top tier of Galaxy phones sell well but only make up a fraction of Samsung mobile's sales.
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Exactly, I disagree with Samsung getting to number 2 by copying. I think they earned it fair and square.
Apple's retaliation at loosing out on sales to companies which are making better phones than theirs. Seriously Apple, make a more OS unrestricted phone and people may just come back to you.
IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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IOS is dated and too restrictive compared to Android. And people have woken up to this a long time before the 4S was introduced. Apple = sore loosers
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Apple is loosing appeal. Many collegues of mine asked me info about SGS [ 2 | 3] because they were grown tired of iPhone and iOS... here and there I read, expecially among fashion/rich youngsters, iPhone isn't cool anymore; reasons are questionable but who really cares?
Anyway there will always be iOS users and fanboys and it must be this way. We need competition to have always a better OS.
About the lawsuit... Samsung copied the whole first wave design and it gaines success only for that. The first SGS, at launch, had very bad performance due to the terrible file-system used. So the lawsuit was lecit.
The real earthquake was SGS2 with its unmatched -among Androids- fluidity... its design was vaguely inspired to iPhone, but not the key to success.
Too bad no one of the jury debated the rightfulness of those patents :\
Let’s pretend that you’re a blogger. You’re given the chance to review new, hot hardware from a major company. All that’s required is that you participate in some tasks, but these tasks would fit into your coverage so you agree. In return you get to be one of the first to go hands-on with devices and give your opinion on them. Sounds like a good deal? Well that’s what a couple of Indian participants in Samsung’s Mob!ler program thought too, until Samsung threatened to leave them stranded in Berlin, Germany.
First let’s start with the facts. Programs such as Mob!lers (or Mobilers, for my sanity) are in place by many companies. In fact, I’ve even participated in one, for a company called STI, where I’ve done reviews of Kia and Mazda cars. But there’s one factor that differentiates programs such as STI from Mobilers – Only one of them expects you to become a shill for the company.
The story that follows is one of those that’s going to be hard to believe. We’ve done our very best to verify the facts, and we’ve heard the same tale from multiple sources and the end result has been the same in each case. That said, let’s go back in time a few weeks....
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Source: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/...oggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/
^^^wondering what you want...
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^^^wondering what you want...
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Spreading the word maybe? You want to keep this a secret? You working for Samsung?
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^^^wondering what you want...
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Ridiculous act by Samsung.Whatever sympathy they gained after the lawsuit is gone
Your judging the whole company based on the actions of one local branch of Samsung that was based in India.
Samsung are not to blame here but people employed at the Indian branch of theirs.
P.S That's typically the way Indians do business, the workers tend to get abused, they don't care about your rights.
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Very very clever from nokia... it was a cheap good advertisement
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I would just wear the damn shirt, and stray off to look at other products.
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Free flights for wearing a T Shirt?
Heck they are just bloggers. Not even real Journalists. They are lucky they are even given that. I wouldnt give them a free pen with the quality of internet blogging these days.
I am a Mob!ler in the UK and I will not comment on this incident as I do not know anything other than the same evidence you are presented with, however in an effort for you all to get the 'full story' please read this - http://www.amitbhawani.com/blog/samsung-mobilers-ifa-2012/
in summary - the guys would have known fully what was going to happen before he arrived in Berlin.
Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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question is not about wearing a tshirt, it was as opposed to being a promoter to them being there as a reporter.
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Free flights for wearing a T Shirt?
Heck they are just bloggers. Not even real Journalists. They are lucky they are even given that. I wouldnt give them a free pen with the quality of internet blogging these days.
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Couldn't have said it any better. How ungrateful can you get.
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how about this story? is that a correct way to treat a person?
http://int13.net/france/blog/i-won-a-contest-to-go-to-the-london-olympic-games/
she claim don't know "any information about the trip other than the flight number, the address of the hotel and some vague information about the other ambassadors who I would be meeting."
They new damn well what they were supposed to be doing before they went. They just wanted to go and not have to take part. It's aload of bull.
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LJE said:
Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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Couldn't have said it any better. How ungrateful can you get.
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They (K)new damn well what they were supposed to be doing before they went. They just wanted to go and not have to take part. It's a load of bull.
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Maybe some of you should have read the entire article and the one specifically about "Jeff" that followed. It wasn't "just wear a t-shirt", it was them being given the choice of being there as a reporter or a promoter. As bloggers, they stated they would be there in the capacity of reporters. Upon arrival, they were told they would be required to be in a Samsung uniform and work in a booth as a promoter. You have ZERO credibility as a journalist if you're known to have been actively promoting a product. Did you read this?
In the invitation email, Jeff reports that he was asked whether he’d like to attend as a reporter or as a promoter. He was insistent that he would only accept the offer if he was allowed to do so as a reporter.
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I've been to similar events (although not flown overseas) as a photographer. Was I there as a promoter or a reporter. I always choose Reporter. I may not be allowed to some private portions of the event, but I have unfettered ability to give an unbiased account...and not tow some company line.
Until I hear otherwise, I'll take Samsung at their word that this was a huge misunderstanding on the part of the local Sammy reps at the event. Big companies don't pull nonsense like that on journalists. That tends to bite you in the arse when every news site picks up the story.
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Maybe some of you should have read the entire article and the one specifically about "Jeff" that followed. It wasn't "just wear a t-shirt", it was them being given the choice of being there as a reporter or a promoter. As bloggers, they stated they would be there in the capacity of reporters. Upon arrival, they were told they would be required to be in a Samsung uniform and work in a booth as a promoter. You have ZERO credibility as a journalist if you're known to have been actively promoting a product. Did you read this?
I've been to similar events (although not flown overseas) as a photographer. Was I there as a promoter or a reporter. I always choose Reporter. I may not be allowed to some private portions of the event, but I have unfettered ability to give an unbiased account...and not tow some company line.
Until I hear otherwise, I'll take Samsung at their word that this was a huge misunderstanding on the part of the local Sammy reps at the event. Big companies don't pull nonsense like that on journalists. That tends to bite you in the arse when every news site picks up the story.
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Knowing how Samsung operate these events, no guarantees would have (or should have) been given before they left India as to if they would have been reporters or promoters, Samsung split these roles 50/50 for all Mobilers in attendance and don't decide before everyone arrives who is doing what.
Obviously I cannot comment on what was actually said in this instance or if either party is telling the truth, I can only tell you from what I have experienced myself.
(to any journalists looking at this! THE GUARDIAN! - do not use what I am saying without permission and certainly not if its incomplete or out of context - I do not know the facts of this case and I am merely commenting on my Experience as a Mob!ler which does not match in anyway what has gone on here)
Well, it is all hearsay at this point. Samsung did apparently acknowledge a misunderstanding. With them being in the media spotlight, I'm sure they're gonna do all they can to make this go away.
Who do they think they are? Im too good to wear a samsung T-Shirt? What did they expect to be treated like royalty? LOL
Anyways... Yes the people that worked for samsung at that indian branch may have done some very stupid things and said some stupid remarks and made samsung look bad. But samsung is not at fault I can guarantee you if the big boys at samsung heard this was going on they would of flew them home straight away.
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Who do they think they are? Im too good to wear a samsung T-Shirt? What did they expect to be treated like royalty? LOL
Anyways... Yes the people that worked for samsung at that indian branch may have done some very stupid things and said some stupid remarks and made samsung look bad. But samsung is not at fault I can guarantee you if the big boys at samsung heard this was going on they would of flew them home straight away.
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It's tough these days to really qualify people... "bloggers" for instance. That could be someone who is published regularly at CNET or someone who has a Wordpress blog with 3 subscribers. So, I guess I have to lump them all together and give them the benefit of the doubt.
If you're promoting a product, your credibility is zilch. There's a particular photography review site that was purchased by a large company that sells cameras and lenses. From that point forward, all their reviews are glowing. Because they're selling the products, too. They have zero credibility. I go there for the spec lists and disregard everything else.
So, these 2 dudes wanted to maintain journalistic credibility and I respect that. Say you were this "Jeff". A small-time blogger in India, and you pumped out some really high quality work that caught the eye of some major player like CNET, Verge, etc. They consider adding your stuff to their site. Oops- look, there's pictures of Jeff in a Samsung uniform working a show booth. Dude's a corporate shill. We can't take his work as unbiased. Next!
Like I said, this is all hearsay. And I'm just speculating and presuming the 2 articles were accurate. But IF they're true, maintaining credibility is vital in journalism.
While I agree with Mr. Crane's viewpoint (above), I must say that it is Samsung India that is at fault.
Also, I'd wear the t-shirt and do a bit of promotion work if Samsung is giving it all away for free. If I were a journalist, it would raise my online presence (by being at a special event and covering it myself). Then, after I have my hands on with the product (sometime after the launch), I'd give my full and honest opinion about it.
For example, I absolutely ADORE the S3. It's the best smartphone ever made. Period. BUT I do wish they'd given us more RAM. Is 1.2-1.5 gb of RAM too much to ask? I really don't want crApple beating us on this. Nothing is a match for the Note 2 but it's a tad too big for my taste.