Let’s pretend that you’re a blogger. You’re given the chance to review new, hot hardware from a major company. All that’s required is that you participate in some tasks, but these tasks would fit into your coverage so you agree. In return you get to be one of the first to go hands-on with devices and give your opinion on them. Sounds like a good deal? Well that’s what a couple of Indian participants in Samsung’s Mob!ler program thought too, until Samsung threatened to leave them stranded in Berlin, Germany.
First let’s start with the facts. Programs such as Mob!lers (or Mobilers, for my sanity) are in place by many companies. In fact, I’ve even participated in one, for a company called STI, where I’ve done reviews of Kia and Mazda cars. But there’s one factor that differentiates programs such as STI from Mobilers – Only one of them expects you to become a shill for the company.
The story that follows is one of those that’s going to be hard to believe. We’ve done our very best to verify the facts, and we’ve heard the same tale from multiple sources and the end result has been the same in each case. That said, let’s go back in time a few weeks....
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^^^wondering what you want...
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^^^wondering what you want...
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Spreading the word maybe? You want to keep this a secret? You working for Samsung?
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Ridiculous act by Samsung.Whatever sympathy they gained after the lawsuit is gone
Your judging the whole company based on the actions of one local branch of Samsung that was based in India.
Samsung are not to blame here but people employed at the Indian branch of theirs.
P.S That's typically the way Indians do business, the workers tend to get abused, they don't care about your rights.
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Very very clever from nokia... it was a cheap good advertisement
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I would just wear the damn shirt, and stray off to look at other products.
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Free flights for wearing a T Shirt?
Heck they are just bloggers. Not even real Journalists. They are lucky they are even given that. I wouldnt give them a free pen with the quality of internet blogging these days.
I am a Mob!ler in the UK and I will not comment on this incident as I do not know anything other than the same evidence you are presented with, however in an effort for you all to get the 'full story' please read this - http://www.amitbhawani.com/blog/samsung-mobilers-ifa-2012/
in summary - the guys would have known fully what was going to happen before he arrived in Berlin.
Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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question is not about wearing a tshirt, it was as opposed to being a promoter to them being there as a reporter.
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Free flights for wearing a T Shirt?
Heck they are just bloggers. Not even real Journalists. They are lucky they are even given that. I wouldnt give them a free pen with the quality of internet blogging these days.
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Couldn't have said it any better. How ungrateful can you get.
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how about this story? is that a correct way to treat a person?
http://int13.net/france/blog/i-won-a-contest-to-go-to-the-london-olympic-games/
she claim don't know "any information about the trip other than the flight number, the address of the hotel and some vague information about the other ambassadors who I would be meeting."
They new damn well what they were supposed to be doing before they went. They just wanted to go and not have to take part. It's aload of bull.
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Why didn't they just wear the damn T-shirt?
Samsung flew them out for free, free accommodation, and these bloggers can't even accept a free T-shirt to promote Samsung???
Although you can't blame Samsung for an individuals actions.
Can you really blame Samsung for this when all that's needed is a verbal warning to an employee for his actions?
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Couldn't have said it any better. How ungrateful can you get.
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They (K)new damn well what they were supposed to be doing before they went. They just wanted to go and not have to take part. It's a load of bull.
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Maybe some of you should have read the entire article and the one specifically about "Jeff" that followed. It wasn't "just wear a t-shirt", it was them being given the choice of being there as a reporter or a promoter. As bloggers, they stated they would be there in the capacity of reporters. Upon arrival, they were told they would be required to be in a Samsung uniform and work in a booth as a promoter. You have ZERO credibility as a journalist if you're known to have been actively promoting a product. Did you read this?
In the invitation email, Jeff reports that he was asked whether he’d like to attend as a reporter or as a promoter. He was insistent that he would only accept the offer if he was allowed to do so as a reporter.
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I've been to similar events (although not flown overseas) as a photographer. Was I there as a promoter or a reporter. I always choose Reporter. I may not be allowed to some private portions of the event, but I have unfettered ability to give an unbiased account...and not tow some company line.
Until I hear otherwise, I'll take Samsung at their word that this was a huge misunderstanding on the part of the local Sammy reps at the event. Big companies don't pull nonsense like that on journalists. That tends to bite you in the arse when every news site picks up the story.
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Maybe some of you should have read the entire article and the one specifically about "Jeff" that followed. It wasn't "just wear a t-shirt", it was them being given the choice of being there as a reporter or a promoter. As bloggers, they stated they would be there in the capacity of reporters. Upon arrival, they were told they would be required to be in a Samsung uniform and work in a booth as a promoter. You have ZERO credibility as a journalist if you're known to have been actively promoting a product. Did you read this?
I've been to similar events (although not flown overseas) as a photographer. Was I there as a promoter or a reporter. I always choose Reporter. I may not be allowed to some private portions of the event, but I have unfettered ability to give an unbiased account...and not tow some company line.
Until I hear otherwise, I'll take Samsung at their word that this was a huge misunderstanding on the part of the local Sammy reps at the event. Big companies don't pull nonsense like that on journalists. That tends to bite you in the arse when every news site picks up the story.
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Knowing how Samsung operate these events, no guarantees would have (or should have) been given before they left India as to if they would have been reporters or promoters, Samsung split these roles 50/50 for all Mobilers in attendance and don't decide before everyone arrives who is doing what.
Obviously I cannot comment on what was actually said in this instance or if either party is telling the truth, I can only tell you from what I have experienced myself.
(to any journalists looking at this! THE GUARDIAN! - do not use what I am saying without permission and certainly not if its incomplete or out of context - I do not know the facts of this case and I am merely commenting on my Experience as a Mob!ler which does not match in anyway what has gone on here)
Well, it is all hearsay at this point. Samsung did apparently acknowledge a misunderstanding. With them being in the media spotlight, I'm sure they're gonna do all they can to make this go away.
Who do they think they are? Im too good to wear a samsung T-Shirt? What did they expect to be treated like royalty? LOL
Anyways... Yes the people that worked for samsung at that indian branch may have done some very stupid things and said some stupid remarks and made samsung look bad. But samsung is not at fault I can guarantee you if the big boys at samsung heard this was going on they would of flew them home straight away.
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Who do they think they are? Im too good to wear a samsung T-Shirt? What did they expect to be treated like royalty? LOL
Anyways... Yes the people that worked for samsung at that indian branch may have done some very stupid things and said some stupid remarks and made samsung look bad. But samsung is not at fault I can guarantee you if the big boys at samsung heard this was going on they would of flew them home straight away.
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It's tough these days to really qualify people... "bloggers" for instance. That could be someone who is published regularly at CNET or someone who has a Wordpress blog with 3 subscribers. So, I guess I have to lump them all together and give them the benefit of the doubt.
If you're promoting a product, your credibility is zilch. There's a particular photography review site that was purchased by a large company that sells cameras and lenses. From that point forward, all their reviews are glowing. Because they're selling the products, too. They have zero credibility. I go there for the spec lists and disregard everything else.
So, these 2 dudes wanted to maintain journalistic credibility and I respect that. Say you were this "Jeff". A small-time blogger in India, and you pumped out some really high quality work that caught the eye of some major player like CNET, Verge, etc. They consider adding your stuff to their site. Oops- look, there's pictures of Jeff in a Samsung uniform working a show booth. Dude's a corporate shill. We can't take his work as unbiased. Next!
Like I said, this is all hearsay. And I'm just speculating and presuming the 2 articles were accurate. But IF they're true, maintaining credibility is vital in journalism.
While I agree with Mr. Crane's viewpoint (above), I must say that it is Samsung India that is at fault.
Also, I'd wear the t-shirt and do a bit of promotion work if Samsung is giving it all away for free. If I were a journalist, it would raise my online presence (by being at a special event and covering it myself). Then, after I have my hands on with the product (sometime after the launch), I'd give my full and honest opinion about it.
For example, I absolutely ADORE the S3. It's the best smartphone ever made. Period. BUT I do wish they'd given us more RAM. Is 1.2-1.5 gb of RAM too much to ask? I really don't want crApple beating us on this. Nothing is a match for the Note 2 but it's a tad too big for my taste.
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Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/samsung-says-galaxy-tab-sales-to-consumers-actually-quite-small/
"When is a tablet sold not actually a tablet sold? When it's a Galaxy Tab, apparently. As The Wall Street Journal reports, those two million Galaxy Tabs that Samsung reported it had "sold" in the fourth quarter of last year were apparently not actual sales to consumers, but simply sales to distributors (which is a different matter altogether). Even more surprisingly, Samsung's Lee Young-hee further explained on an earnings call on Friday that so-called "sell-out" sales to customers were actually "quite small," but she wouldn't provide a specific number. Somewhat confusingly, however, she also later noted that while "sell-out wasn't as fast as we expected," Samsung still believes that sales to consumers were "quite OK," and that it is "quite optimistic" about 2011."
ahhhhhh who cares about numbers? i didnt get my tab because the Tab sold million, i got it cuz its awesome! but i do admit, one less thing to brag about :/ oh well.
Yeah, and this is the very first company to fudge the figures to make themselves look better.
Seriously OP, WTF are you whining about? They all do it.
Yup, Microsoft did exactly he same with Windows Phone 7 sales. Sales of licences to distributors != phones in consumers hands. They all do it.
Except Apple... the really don't need to. Bastards.
The majority of phone companies do this.
They are correct that they sold 2 million tabs but thats to distributers etc.
So i cant see where they have.misled or decieved someone? They correctly stated how many they have sold.
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This effects us how? No offence, but this won't change anyone's opinion on the Tab. I could give a horses Arse if they soils 13million or a hundred, I still love it.
But in their defence, they never stated who the sales were to.
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Sadly some people strongly identify with the things they buy and so take it personally when it is perceived to be "not so good".
The kind of people that buy "lifestyle" products.
BTW, as stated above, this is pretty much how these things are reported.
Lol, like it matters. We all love the Tab, regardless of how many they sold
This is quite a gray area...
When I am not traveling the world putting boot to ass for this great country of mine... I work with a very close friend who runs a multi-national corporation manufacturing musical instruments.
When he reports to his share holders, they report sales to distributors. Once the item has been delivered to the distributor or vendor... IT IS SOLD. What they do with them after that is their concern.
Well, Engadget and the WSJ had to admit that they made a mistake. Lee Young-hee said that the sales were "quite smooth" not "quite small" It was a misquote. Engadget issued a correction post here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/01/samsungs-lee-young-hee-was-misunderstood-galaxy-tab-sales-are/
and yet, the statement on engadget is quite sinical aside from the admittance
anyway I'm agreed, I bought the tab coz i like it, no matter how the sales are
I actually preferred things that not too many people had it, coz i want to be different
luckily in my country, not that many tab user, so at least i'm classified as the exclusive ones, not like the iphone user who's become so common they're not as "regal" as before
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and yet, the statement on engadget is quite sinical aside from the admittance
anyway I'm agreed, I bought the tab coz i like it, no matter how the sales are
I actually preferred things that not too many people had it, coz i want to be different
luckily in my country, not that many tab user, so at least i'm classified as the exclusive ones, not like the iphone user who's become so common they're not as "regal" as before
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I agree. I wanted to be different as well. For a good 2 months I haven't seen anyone in my country use the Tab, and when I'm around cafe's, people holding iPads would give me a stare. So far I've only seen one person in my school using one, and one guy I saw in the airport had one as well.
Aside from the Tab, the reason why I love Android much more is because I can make it look so different from other people's devices. So even if I was beside someone who owned a Tab, they would look so different when placed together.
If Samsung updates my gtab to honeycomb I will find it in my heart to forgive them - lol
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Guess alot of people are holding back on the tab because of tab2. But I still love & hug my tab. Sales figure doesn' t matters.
lies and deception? LOL. I'm sorry, but what.
If they said they only sold 1 tab, or a hundred zillion, who cares...
Before Apple has all production and sales stopped? The injunction may pass to prevent sales on 4 Samsung devices. The Tab 10.1, Nexus S 4G, DROID Charge, and Infuse. It's sad, but this judge does seem to favor Apple a lot in this case.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/04/apple...unction-to-halt-sale-of-four-samsung-devices/
I am highly considering ordering a 32GB Black WiFi only one from my Sprint store just because I want one so badly. I really wanted a 3G/4G one from Sprint, but I guess that isn't going to happen.
The Verizon LTE 10.1 won't even be released in time, but if it is...I may consider buying it just for the purposes of having mobile network capabilities.
I've already got mine. They can't take it away no matter what happens.
I have the 32GB Black one. My wife got it for me for Father's Day. I know it's WIFI only but when the Galaxy S II comes out, I'm going to add the wifi hotspot so I can pair these 2 badasses together. Whosdaman - please keep us updated with all the latest on the SGS2 as usual
I really doubt that will happen...
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I really doubt that will happen...
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+1. It's just a bunch of legal crap. They'll settle sooner or later.
Ugh. Hopefully this tweet from AnonymousIRC is a foreshadowing of larger attacks on Apple if they continue to try low, dirty tactics like that.
Seriously, attempting to block a competitors' ability to sell products when you're the market leader anyway? That's just pathetic, someone please tell Apple that just because Microsoft may have bullied them doesn't give them the right to do it to others.
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Ugh. Hopefully this tweet from AnonymousIRC is a foreshadowing of larger attacks on Apple if they continue to try low, dirty tactics like that.
Seriously, attempting to block a competitors' ability to sell products when you're the market leader anyway? That's just pathetic, someone please tell Apple that just because Microsoft may have bullied them doesn't give them the right to do it to others.
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Thank goodness
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I got mine already also (wifi only) so no matter what happens I will still be able to use mine.
None of these devices look anything like Apples. I've also never heard anyone say "it looks like an iPhone"
WoW, Android must have a huge impact on ipad sales - haha.
In Germany Galaxy S2 has a massive sales rate, was even sold out for some time
Touchwizz looks like apple. I wouln't mind if they remove it.
The 10.1 doesn't really belong on that list, while the others have TouchWiz on them, the 10.1 does not and does not otherwise copy any Apple product.
Not really a fan of Apple's scare tactics, they're annoying.
Its not that they copied them...had no one been following this case? Samsung is using patented products in those devices without apples authorization
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Apple really needs to chill out. Those guys have enough to let a little slide. .
It's not just Apple - Oracle want a piece of the pie also - http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology...rd-the-tab/11127?tag=content;drawer-container
Whosdaman glad to see you over in the tab section. Appricated your work on the epic. Hope you pick up a tab soon and get to working some magic on it.
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Ahh, Oracle. The worst thing to happen to Sun Microsystems since... well, ever. Luckily Oracle stepped on a lot of toes and every piece of software they got from Sun that was worth anything got forked, so I don't have to ever see their ugly logo on any software I use.
I hope Google wins, not for Android's sake, but in the vain hope that Dalvik will overtake Java everywhere and kill the last major product Oracle got from Sun. They destroyed everything good about Sun, they don't deserve to profit from their products.
Wow, I'm just raging all over this thread aren't I?
Some reality for you: Apple will never get an injunction. Absent an actual verdict of infringement -- which will take years to achieve in our legal system -- Apple would need to prove irreparable harm in order to obtain a preliminary injunction pending trial. Considering the pace of Ipad sales, I think this will be all but impossible. Moreover, Apple would likely be required to post a bond to protect Samsung in case Samsung eventually prevailed at trial, with that bond being equivalent to all the lost profit that Samsung would lose if Tab sales were halted. Apple doesn't have that kind of cash to invest in games like this.
These suits are really about patent cross-licensing. Apple will eventually extort a bundle of license rights from Samsung in exchange for granting Samsung a bundle of Apple's license rights. This is like patent infringement insurance for Apple, because it'll stave off some future theoretical infringement claims not only from Samsung but from other patent holders. In other words, you bring one lawsuit today to help stave off 20 lawsuits in the future. Its good business practice, and every major technology company in the world does it to some degree.
Samsung should respond with a bad batch of screens
I have the 16 gb whifi but still would not like to see sales top for the sake of development.
Im glad i bought one soon after launch
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Most of us are now aware that the sale of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablets have been blocked in Europe (at least for now) by an injunction in favor of Apple's lawsuit...now it appears they are suing Motorola in Europe as well.
(Source: FOSS)
Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16511779#post16511779
That's why I bought my wife a xoom now.
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>Can the end of the Xoom in Europe be near at hand?
That'd be true in two months, regardless.
>Read my analysis of the Apple/Samsung situation
Honestly, you're ranting. That's fine, if it makes you feel better, although not sure why you should feel worse. It's big companies fighting it out. Let them.
Give the judge the benefit of the doubt for competence. If the suit was frivolous, Apple wouldn't have secured an injunction. Whatever legal merit the suit has, frankly, we don't know. Getting upset about it doesn't make us understand it any better.
I will never ever purchase an apple product ever
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My rant:
Likewise. I bought the second Gen iPod when they were a decent company. Then they got in their mind that they can take over the world (which they might) but I think that is very indecent to innovation. I have never had such a hatred to one company and always will.
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It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
It's about time Apple tried to sue someone with a strong patent portfolio. As long as Motorola don't roll over, Apple *are* going to get a bloody nose, because suing over patents nowadays seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the merit of your case.
If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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So you're saying is it would be OK to live in a dictatorship country if it was pretty and had good weather?
Sure Apple makes good products, however there are very good if not better alternatives. Apple improves on one product in the market and makes it incredible. Then other companies start making the products better as well and Apple sues them. Happened to mp3 players and iPods, now happening for tablets and iPads. It hurts innovation and I know Google and Microsoft also sue companies but not as much and not as narrow minded/take over the market mentality that Apple has. Now don't get me wrong I have owned Apple before, and yes their products are well made and innovative. But so are a lot of other brands.
But I do agree on the grander scheme of things if we arn't just talking tech toys that yes it is not a good idea to be narrow minded on anything. I believe that's what you were trying to get at.
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If there's a rant to be made, it's people's propensity to paint things in good/evil terms ("XYZ is EVIL!"), get more partisan ("I hate THEM! They're the ENEMY!"), and become more blindered in their views ("I'll never buy anything from XYZ!"). It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
Obviously, I'm not just talking about something as trivial as whatever brand of tech toys you espouse. The descent to frothing fanaticism is widespread enough that it is damn annoying and frightening at the same time.
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You are saying this as if it is a new phenomenon.
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Put simply, it is easier to deal with absolutes and it is easier to convey opinion to others in absolutes.
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It is human nature to ally with a particular group, society, or set of ideals and denigrate the things that differ from the ideal you are allied with. Countries, religions, sports teams, type of car.... the list is as long as there are comparable objects. It is possible for people to see in shades of right rather than absolutes but this provides no stable platform on which to hang a set of beliefs.
- It is far easier to say "Motorola is incompetent and I will never use them again" than it is to say "Motorola made some serious mistakes with the Xoom but they did do some things right."
- It is easier to say "Motorola is out to screw early Xoom adopters." than it is to say "Motorola is not communicating well with early Xoom adopters."
- It is easier to say "thou shall not kill" than it is to say "thou shall not kill unless it is needed to preserve other life"
- It is easier to say "Other religions are wrong" than it is to say "other religions are different."
- and it is easier to say "Apple is evil" than it is to say "Apple's stance on the similarity between the iPad and Xoom is not reasonable."
Absolutes allow a person to place an idea, group, or company into a position within opinion that requires less thought and little debate. This is comforting to most, requires less consideration, and makes life easier to deal with. The more you deal with a specific idea/group/company the more details you learn and the less likely you are to paint your opinion on the subject with such broad strokes. No one wants to try and know everything in such detail however.
So while it would be better if mankind as a whole took an effort to see the merit in differing opinions on subjects, it is not the nature of man. To try and remove the polarizing nature of the psyche would possibly lead to less conflict but it would also to moral and ethical confusion.
There have been and are individuals who have evolved past this need but those individuals are not common, indeed the most notable have been quite extraordinary.
Here is one take on the patent issue that underlies the various recent legal spats. The commentary delves into more detail than the usual regurgitated pap, and the arguments made are reasonable, at least based on the material as presented.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/11/broken-patent-system/
http://www.daniweb.com/hardware-and...obile-devices/news/376718/1621537#post1621537
DaniWeb can reveal exactly what it is that Apple thinks Samsung has copied, and we hope you are sitting down because the actual community design images contained within that certification are basic to say the least.
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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so, what do you think is going to happen? i own a xoom and i am planning to buy a new one to my girlfriend but now i am afraid of that samsung and motorola can cut off their support on these devices.. i dont want to own a device which has no support of new updates/market or accesorries ..
besides i am in turkey and my xoom has been boutgh from the usa by the man who has sold it to me.. so i do not have a bill but only a serial number, i can check the warranty from the motorola web page but what is going to happen if they decide to "erase" the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 and motorola xoom from the market and give everyones money back?
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I don't think you need to worry. Get the Xoom for your girlfriend. If you root it (or even if not) you will continue to have plenty of support for your tablet from this community as well as from Google/Moto. I just think that Apple is not allowed to take over the world. We have to take a stand some time, somewhere.
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It's interesting to me how Apple and Apple fanboys tout their products as the best in the world, yet they feel the need to sue every mobile electronics maker in the world.
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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What is really funny is apple was invented by steve jobs stealing open source programming from someone else, patenting it and putting his name n it, then just having a slick campaign that if u dont buy apple ur not individualistic and being different is cool (as long as it is done in groups...). Then says his product cant be hacked on a tv commercial... Within 48 hours they pulled the commercial because four major hacks came out... So they steal, prey on peoples need to be "cool" and their fear of being hacked... But then turn around and start suing all their competitors. This is not new for them and it is a business tactic now... A pathetic way to slow up progress of their competitors... And their iphone sucks... No expandable memory, no battery pull ability, no open source, poor reception, charges for wifi tethering and it isnt built in, no flash.... Etc etc..
To play on their gay commercials... If you don't have an iphone, well you probably have a better smart phone... Even blackberry and nokia kick iphone ass... Rant over
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Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
okantomi said:
Though I enthusiastically agree with what you are saying...could I ask you not to use the term "gay" as a negative? I'd go with "To play on their ridiculous/boring/really irritating commercials..."
Anyway...it's FRIDAY!
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Totally agree on using better negative terms...I would actually call them "smug and arrogant" more than anything else.
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whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
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whenever I see someone with an iphone or ipad, I automatically assume this person is 100% gullible and I can convince them to literally buy ANYTHING as long as I make it sound especially hip.
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That's a pretty extreme statement.
Apple has the best marketing in the tech world. They also have some decent products, with plenty of objective reasons to choose Apple over the alternatives.
However, remember that marketing is simply making people aware of a product and its features.
I find when talking to people that decisions on platform aren't made over which commercial was the coolest, but rather the features and/or familiarity with the brand.
I would argue that very few people are so superficial as to choose a platform based on "hip"-ness.
The real problem here is not Apple. Whatever you think of iOS, they are just a company using every tool at their disposal to succeed. If roles were reversed any company would do the same.
The problem is a hopelessly broken, pitifully antiquated Patent system that allows absurd patents to be approved.
This problem is compounded by the abuse of "patent troll" companies that never developed a technology or released a product, but simply bought patents and create lawsuits.
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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For those of you who haven't seen the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=share
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Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
Actually this video (as some of you would have probably already seen) would be more relevant: especially @4:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I remember that 1994 Steve Jobs interview when he basically admits he steals ideas, but that was when Apple were really struggling so didn't have investors and shareholders that would have shot him in the kneecaps if he said the same thing recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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caslca said:
Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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American courts, American company.
Do you think Johnny Foreigner is ever gonna get a fair trial against a huge American company like Apple? I mean big business always funds election campaigns over there so companies like Apple have basically bought shares in USA plc.
caslca said:
Just makes you wonder how can the Samsung lawyers let this charade go this far! For crying out loud, if a couple of guys can collect this amount of evidence in a matter of few days, I'd say there is something wrong with this whole trial.
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The lawyers are horrible. It is easy to defend that. All they need is to get a hand on any documents that show Apple researching Windows OS because everyone knows everyone, including Apple researches other companies.
The recent Samsung documents telling the designers how the Galaxy S should differ from the iPhone are a real blow to the whole case, in my opinion. That's what has to stand the brunt of the attack now.
Also, one of Samsung's documents was rejected by the court. I think they brought it in too late. That's why they leaked it to the public. Ah, Samsung. What are you doing to yourselves?!
Has the whole world gone mad or just America? **** Apple. They will repeat history.. come and go.
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S (mainly i9000 model) from the iPhone. The first thought that came into my head when they revealed the phone was "why does it look like an iphone inside and out?" I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone...even down to the touchwiz icons and UI.
With that being said, the US patent system needs a complete overhaul to stop these frivolous suits and the Supreme Court needs to set precedence once and for all.
Todays consumer are smart. They know what they are buying. A small boy will differentiate sammy from apple. Grow up apple
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I hate this trial just as much as anyone, but Samsung made absolutely NO effort in differentiating their 1st gen Galaxy S
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Korean, japanese and russian companies all have the same principle: first copy a device, then optimize and extend it so much with the gained experience that it becomes superior to the original.
The Chinese unfortunately are not quite there yet - mainly due to lack of hightech but it won't be long.
I know the needs to take down Goliath and all, but the first Galaxy S was just downright blatant mirror image of the iPhone
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Sadly only from looks. It was sooooo sloooooow even though it's based on good hardware, mainly because Samsung decided to go with their RFS and other software issues.
For those of you who haven't seen the video
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The main problem with the video is that they exclude software, where Apple (partially more or less involuntarely since they base on FOSS software) has contributed lots of patches and extensions to existing standards and helped push new ones. Google's Chrome for instance would at least have had a much harder start if not for Apple's Safari and the resulting changes in the Webkit engine.
Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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Apple has definitely made worthwhile contributions to the advancement of technology. For example they may have stolen the mouse from IBM but if they hadn't, IBM probably wouldn't have done anything with it.
These days however they are just plain being lame. Google should sue them for having web search in the safari browser. It's about the same level of idiocy as what Apple have dropped too.
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The universal search patent is especially retarded.
This has always been my bugbear with patent law. Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!). However, the simple solution would be to do what LG and Sony already do and that is pay the damned patent license. Yes it increases overall handset cost but not significantly.
It's sad when you consider the patents would have only added on about $5 to the cost of each handset. I doubt anyone would have said "oh man, the s3 is great, but its $5 bucks over my budget".
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Nokia's recent sign up for ms means apple now have legal rights to all of Nokia's patents and are now using Nokia patents against Samsung and htc, and indirectly claiming them as apple's (which from a legal standpoint they are!).
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Wrong. It may very well be the case that Apple are suing over technology that overlaps with others patents, but it should not be doing so because it does not have the right to sue over patents it has licensed from others. From a legal standpoint they are anything but Apple's patents.
Even Intellectual Property licensed with the explicit intention of allowing a third-party to sue over the IP, isn't valid for a suit (big case on that in recent years).
Licensing means I say "Okay you can use my spatula when you need it in exchange for your mother's bra". It doesn't mean if on some other occasion someone else has it you can scream "Thief!! That spatula doesn't belong to you, give it back!" At the end of the day it's still my spatula so I can still give it to whomever else I want, and if someone steals it, that's my concern not yours.
Same thing: the patents are still Nokia's. The absolute best Apple could do is pressure Nokia into suing. You cannot sue on someone else's behalf except in exceptional cases like the would-be plaintiff is under-age, or dead.
Well, whatever the case may be, we all know that Apple is a crap company and it's trying to threaten our beloved Android. I love the fact that Android is open-source. I love the fact that Android-based devices are popping up everywhere. Nikon has made an Android-based camera. Isn't it lovely when all your devices use the same software? Isn't it amazing that we can legally hack these devices and modify them? Thank you Google for being such a friendly company!
This section is for the discussion of the SGS3, not for apple nonsense.
Closed.
This is on a few sites.......again its more same old but its all nice and very clear.
http://9gag.com/gag/5195630
This has already been posted at least once on this very forum page!
Secondly do you really think your smarter than a bunch of higher paid, highly successful lawyers, they would have seen all this and if they didn't choose to use it in court they would have had a very good reason for it.
(p.s. I am a lawyer and I hate it when others think they can to do my job better than me )
Now that's one touchy mother. He wasn't insulting anyone, sheesh
Yikes!
Hello, yeah I would like a taxi please for a XDA member.
Can I book it under the name Mr Attitude, yeah its just the one.....going to Thinks Highly Of Himself Street.
Joking aside, I guess there is loads of this on here but I care not to search through them all.
Will leave it at that, if no replies will take post down.
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Could you have not gone and given them a hand
Lennyuk said:
This has already been posted at least once on this very forum page!
Secondly do you really think your smarter than a bunch of higher paid, highly successful lawyers, they would have seen all this and if they didn't choose to use it in court they would have had a very good reason for it.
(p.s. I am a lawyer and I hate it when others think they can to do my job better than me )
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Ok but I want to know why not use all of this things thei have against them
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Going by what some say the Judge would not allow some picture evidence, not sure what it was.
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Ok but I want to know why not use all of this things thei have against them
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Patent law is a funny thing, especially US patent law. Apple are suing on Patents they have that are granted, not pending, therefore, it doesn't really matter if the product existed before the patent was granted or not. Those respective companies had their time to appeal against the granting of the patent before it was approved and they for what ever reason chose not to.
The only way that they would now be able to 'appeal' against these patents would be to say that the patent was negligently approved in the first place, this is a whole different legal issue and one that in the first instance would not involve Apple but the Patent Office.
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This is on a few sites.......again its more same old but its all nice and very clear.
http://9gag.com/gag/5195630
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From what I have read they used all those, but the dumb patent office in the US awarded Apple the patents, and that is what the jury of home boys voted on, even though prior use and art existed. If sanity prevails as the US patent office re evaluates these patents they will get dismissed. It is the only way to end this crap and move on, and for the US system to prove it works fair on the international stage. With regards to Google, maybe the concept was borrowed from Apple for Android but someone wrote the code and designed the UI that frankly bears no resemblance to IOS. Man has always got inspiration from others thats how we move on. Apple are scared stiff of Microsoft vs Apple all over again. Until the patents are nullified or amended, the likes of Samsung will just change a few things as they have with the S3. 2 thumbs and tilt to zoom. one thumb tilt to pan, bounce effect replaced with blue glow.
I know its so messed up over there, I don’t know if other countries are as bad.
Korea gave them both a slap on the wrist, UK was not having any of it, America 1 billion and change.
Other companies should have stepped up and questioned what Apple was doing, maybe the people who get paid the high money dropped the ball on this, either way I just hope they can get something out of all that talk about the trial and the mistakes made during it.
Think the best one was one guy saying they made their mind up on day one, he then goes on to say they took the full amount of time before making the decision.
Its funny in some ways this will cost Apple, even more so if they dont have the tech.
Samsung and others will need to up the game, make bigger changes to get round the US law, we know Samsung has the tech waiting to go and yet like most companies they give it to you bit by bit each year.
Now as other companies make changes this will in turn force Apple to keep up, no longer able to give out last years model with a few slight changes.
As posted the picture evidence i understand was to late for inclusion in the case .
This post is not copyrighted or patented .
jje
Lennyuk said:
Patent law is a funny thing, especially US patent law. Apple are suing on Patents they have that are granted, not pending, therefore, it doesn't really matter if the product existed before the patent was granted or not. Those respective companies had their time to appeal against the granting of the patent before it was approved and they for what ever reason chose not to.
The only way that they would now be able to 'appeal' against these patents would be to say that the patent was negligently approved in the first place, this is a whole different legal issue and one that in the first instance would not involve Apple but the Patent Office.
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The US patent system is broken! A patent should not be granted if it already existed in the market.
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The US patent system is broken! A patent should not be granted if it already existed in the market.
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yes, but that is an issue for another day, doesn't matter how or why it was granted, the fact in this particular case is that a patent (or patents) was (were) granted and apple are suing on them.
The Jury had a Maximum Bias mode on, doubt it would matter
http://gizmodo.com/5938219/why-the-apple-v-samsung-ruling-may-not-hold-up
Anyway, instead of innovating apple just copy pastes the same device while trying to slow down others and keep the applebois proud. yawn..
Well I hope other countries see how wrong America is, not so much on this case as its done/almost done now, I mean for the future and how the system over there is holding back others all because there is a very vague patent on something that makes inventing anything new like walking through a mine field.
S1 1ghz 5mp camera 720p recording 4inch screen.512 ram
S2 1.2ghz dual core 8mp camera 1080p recording 4.3 inch screen.1gig ram.
S3 1.4ghz quad core 8pm camera 1080p recording 4.8 inch screen.1 gig ram.
Iphone 620mhz no camera 3.5 inch screen..128 ram.
Iphone 3g 620mhz.2mp camera vga recording.3.5 inch screen.128 ram.
Iphone 3gs 833mhz.3mp camera vga recording 3.5 inch screen.256 ram
Iphone 4 1ghz.5mp camera..720p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
Iphone 4s 1ghz.dual core.8mp camera 1080p recording 3.5 inch screen.512 ram.
It took them 5 phones to make these changes, they went form a 620mhz cpu to 1ghz dual core.
From no camera to 8mp 1080p recording.
From 128ram to 512ram.
And from a 3.5 inch screen to a..................well 3.5inch screen.
I know its all been said but to me this is not a big leap over 5 years, Samsung has done more over 3 years.
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yes, but that is an issue for another day, doesn't matter how or why it was granted, the fact in this particular case is that a patent (or patents) was (were) granted and apple are suing on them.
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Yes, but if the Patents wouldn't have been wrongly granted in the first place then this wouldn't have happened. This wouldn't be allowed here in the UK.
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The Korean electronic manufacturers have a reputation for copying others hard work and research and then producing something similar more cheaply. This is an art they have done exceptionally well at. In more recent years, they have actually innovated rather than just copy.
Nevertheless, the root of the issues with Apple, are about things that should not be patented in the first place. It has got so silly, and I have no idea how this ever gets reversed. However, the key for court cases has to be, very simply, "did the other party achieve a market share through the use of that patent?". If double tapping the screen to zoom in makes Samsung more phone sales, then although the patent is stupid, it is permissable under US law to prosecute. But for any fine, it HAS to be relative to the loss of market share of that patent and that is where the focus of any decision needs to be.
You can be sure Samsung has the very best lawyers. But they are working in a biased country. If the jury consists of US citizens, where Apple is an American company, and Samsung is Korean, then how on Earth can it be impartial or non-biased? This is nothing to do with being racially descriminative, this is purely about patriotism. Hopefully a US judge can see past that in any appeal and over-ride any decision.
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This has already been posted at least once on this very forum page!
Secondly do you really think your smarter than a bunch of higher paid, highly successful lawyers, they would have seen all this and if they didn't choose to use it in court they would have had a very good reason for it.
(p.s. I am a lawyer and I hate it when others think they can to do my job better than me )
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You're way too serious
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The Korean electronic manufacturers have a reputation for copying others hard work and research and then producing something similar more cheaply. This is an art they have done exceptionally well at. In more recent years, they have actually innovated rather than just copy.
Nevertheless, the root of the issues with Apple, are about things that should not be patented in the first place. It has got so silly, and I have no idea how this ever gets reversed. However, the key for court cases has to be, very simply, "did the other party achieve a market share through the use of that patent?". If double tapping the screen to zoom in makes Samsung more phone sales, then although the patent is stupid, it is permissable under US law to prosecute. But for any fine, it HAS to be relative to the loss of market share of that patent and that is where the focus of any decision needs to be.
You can be sure Samsung has the very best lawyers. But they are working in a biased country. If the jury consists of US citizens, where Apple is an American company, and Samsung is Korean, then how on Earth can it be impartial or non-biased? This is nothing to do with being racially descriminative, this is purely about patriotism. Hopefully a US judge can see past that in any appeal and over-ride any decision.
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LOL
Patriotism.
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Lennyuk said:
This has already been posted at least once on this very forum page!
Secondly do you really think your smarter than a bunch of higher paid, highly successful lawyers, they would have seen all this and if they didn't choose to use it in court they would have had a very good reason for it.
(p.s. I am a lawyer and I hate it when others think they can to do my job better than me )
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You're a lawyer? I would expect more of an intelligent response from a lawyer who is moaning about someone thinking they can do your job better, as well as a far better formed sentence. I mean isn't one of the main points of being a lawyer (or wouldn't that be a solicitor in the UK?) being able to write properly in extensively complex and correct English?
Before you go *****ing about how my English isn't all that - I'm not the one claiming to be a lawyer in a most unbelievable manner...
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