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Not international??

On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?

It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.

atlp99 said:
It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.

I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.

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I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!

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It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.

setspeed said:
I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.

G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.

Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.

From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.

So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?

I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.

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From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.

Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.

If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.

I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?

If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.

as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.

i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails

T-Mobile GS3 Confirmed!

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All signs are pointing toward the SGH-T999 (Galaxy S III) heading to T-Mobile as the newest piece of evidence surfaces in the form of FCC approval. Here’s the one notable takeaway from this, no LTE is coming in this particular model. The documents do show WCDMA support for T-Mobile’s AWS band, just as we expected to see. There’s also support for the 850 and 1900 bands meaning this device will be ready to rock under T-Mobile’s refarmed 4G network as well. The lack of LTE connectivity isn’t surprising given that T-Mobile isn’t expected to launch their LTE network until sometime in 2013, but we had hoped that Samsung and T-Mobile would forward think given that T-Mobile’s AWS LTE network will pair up nicely with AT&T’s own LTE 1700 bands.
NFC (near-field communication) is on board, but we don’t know how much support T-Mobile will offer for this feature, though we hope Google Wallet support is a possibility. Other than that, we’re not seeing any other surprises here, good or bad.
All in all, this early FCC report seems fairly standard — so now we wait for T-Mobile to make an official announcement.
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So am I right to assume this device unlocked will work with ATT as well? Given the 850 and 1900 HSPA bands, despite not seeing 2100 listed.

I hope this proves it. Hopefully t-mobile gets it, I have a up grade coming next month and Ive had my eye's on this since it was announced.

Heard from a samsung rep that gs3 is coming to tmobile mid june
I hope its true
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If this materializes as a quad core Exynos than this might stop me from pre-ordering the international version. Lets go T-Mo!
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If it's Tmobile I might switch from AT&T. I think T mobile is quite a bit cheaper for me
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Looks like their is two models. The SGH-T999 and the SGH-T999v. I'm thinking its going to be two different storage options.

Also from samsung rep
16gb or 32gb option
Dual core s4 krait processor instead of quad core ( but he said rumor of maybe quad..but probably not)
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clninja said:
Heard from a samsung rep that gs3 is coming to tmobile mid june
I hope its true
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Highly doubtful..
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eksasol said:
So am I right to assume this device unlocked will work with ATT as well? Given the 850 and 1900 HSPA bands, despite not seeing 2100 listed.
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According to this table, yes.

Should work well on T-Mo, not so great on AT&T...
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According to this table, yes.
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I'm not sure anymore...

Also, the user agent profile shows ARM11 instead of MSM8960. Could very well be the Exynos Quad-Core chip.
Link:
http://wap.samsungmobile.com/uaprof/SGH-T999.xml

Unlocked S3 and T-Mobile prepaid SIM > Max. speed?
androidarmin said:
I'm not sure anymore...
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Has anyone here definite information if the International/Unlocked S3 will work with a pre-paid SIM card on the T-Mobile network, and at broadband (3G+/HSPA+) speeds- ?
I've read a ton of posts, blogs and spec sheets since I was thinking about buying the unlocked S3 and a T-Mo (USA) SIM card yesterday - and I am not sure about it anymore, since there seems to be a lot of conflicting information...
1.) Taylor Wimberly, from the "Android & Me" blog pointed out in his recent article "7 reasons to shred your wireless contract and switch to prepaid" (http://androidandme.com/2012/05/opi...your-wireless-contract-and-switch-to-pre-paid) that is it possible to use a prepaid SIM on the US Networks of T-Mobile and AT&T.
According to his blog, it is - even with a prepaid 3rd-Party SIM - still possible to get on the fast HSPA+ networks of T-Mobile and AT&T (USA)... (??)
2.) However, and when I checked out T-Mobile's prepaid SIM offerings, they clearly state that "Only 3G phones that support the 1700-MHz band are compatible (not all 3G phones support it)", and "Important note about 3G phones: If you own a 3G phone but it does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network."
And who really wants to crawl the web with a freakin' awesome S3, but only at at 2G speeds?
3.) Lastly, and reading up on which MHz bands exactly the International S3 can handle, it is stated:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE (regional)
Turns out that both T-Mobile and AT&T in the U.S. use the 1700 MHz band - which is outside of the International S3's spectrum... so it seems. But, T-Mobile also uses the 1900 MHz band for 3G..
I don't really care about LTE, as long as I can get HSPA+ speeds with approx. 20 Mbit/s down.
So... Who is right?
Can I use the International S3 with an T-Mobile prepaid SIM and still cruise at HSPA+ speeds?
Or, am I doomed to use 2G only if pursuing that path??
Please HELP to CLARIFY... because I'm going crazy over this!
Thanks!

to my knowledge tmo uses both 1700 and 2100 for their 3G (correct me if I'm wrong) so yea it'll be edge
But, if you have enough patience with edge than go ahead and use it on tmo as they'll be using 1900 by the end of the year and by then 3G should be usable
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Is there a release date for when T-mobile will be offering the phone? I'm seeing it'll debut in the US on June 1st but I don't know if that means they'll be offering it then or not.

Tmobile is the most effed up carrier out there when comes to phones. Do u really think now just like that unexpectedly they will be offering immediatly the best android device out there? Wait for first quarter of 2013 and then maybe they offer this hottie.

According to Negri Electronics the European model is suppose to come with Pentaband radios including the (1700) T-Mobile 3G radio. I have been calling them every day to get a confirmation because that radio has an *astrik next to it. They said that a Samsung executive said that the phone WILL be coming with the 1700 radio but are waiting for their phones to come in before confirming that to the public. I pre ordered mine, Blue with 32gb and even went so far in ordering a 64gb sd-card. This phone better work on T-Mobile. T-Mobile in my area pushes out over 15mb download and about 4mb upload. Those are very fast speeds for HSPA+. Best part is HSPA+ doesn't murder your battery. I have the Rezound on Verizon and also the GS2 on T-Mobile.

vinnyjr said:
According to Negri Electronics the European model is suppose to come with Pentaband radios including the (1700) T-Mobile 3G radio. I have been calling them every day to get a confirmation because that radio has an *astrik next to it. They said that a Samsung executive said that the phone WILL be coming with the 1700 radio but are waiting for their phones to come in before confirming that to the public. I pre ordered mine, Blue with 32gb and even went so far in ordering a 64gb sd-card. This phone better work on T-Mobile. T-Mobile in my area pushes out over 15mb download and about 4mb upload. Those are very fast speeds for HSPA+. Best part is HSPA+ doesn't murder your battery. I have the Rezound on Verizon and also the GS2 on T-Mobile.
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huh.. seems your right; from the sgs3 blue/64GB tinyurl[dot]com/85mtsj7
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SPECIFICATIONS:[B]
GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 [COLOR="Red"][I][U]/ 1700* /[/U][/I][/COLOR] 1900 / 2100
4G Network Region Based[/B]
BODY Dimensions 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6mm
Weight 133 grams
- Touch-sensitive controls
DISPLAY Type Super AMOLED Plus capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 720 x 1280 pixels, 4.8 inches (~306 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
- TouchWiz UI v4.0
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
MEMORY Card slot microSD, up to 64GB
Internal 64GB storage, 1 GB RAM
DATA GPRS Class 12 (4+1/3+2/2+3/1+4 slots), 32 - 48 kbps
EDGE Class 12
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP, EDR
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0 microUSB (MHL), USB On-the-go
CAMERA Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection, image stabilization
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP, [email protected]
FEATURES OS Android OS, v4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
Chipset Exynos 4212 Quad
CPU Quad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU Mali-400MP
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio Stereo FM radio with RDS
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support and GLONASS
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Pebble Blue
- MicroSIM card support only
- S-Voice natural language commands and dictation
- Dropbox (50 GB storage)
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- TV-out (via MHL A/V link)
- SNS integration
- MP4/DivX/XviD/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/AC3/FLAC player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF)
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo/dial/commands
- Predictive text input (Swype)
BATTERY Standard battery, Li-Ion 2100 mAh
[B]* Unconfirmed that the SGSIII will have 1700 3/4G. Verbal confirmation from Samsung Latin America Rep 5/3/2012 stated “Yes”[/B]

set to pull the trigger,i like the speeds here. just give us the wolfson dac

Moto X models comparison

The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky

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The attached table summarizes the specs of different models. I think this should be sticky
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Thank you for the summary. I was trying to find a clear answer on this all over and this is the only place ive seen it sumarized. Im looking to get a moto x for tmobile, but I wanted to make sure that it had 1700 HSDPA. It seems only the dev model and the t mobile version do.

Thanks for posting this. I am quite sure the Rogers version supports the exact same LTE bands as AT&T. I know for certain it supports band 4 as that is what I'm using mine with.

I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?

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I found this info in Rogers website. Is it a mistake?
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I don't think its a mistake, its just that Rogers only lists the bands they actually use, not the bands the phone supports. I'm surprised they claim LTE band 7. While Rogers uses it the FCC data for the phone doesn't list any approval for band 7 that I can find.(yes Rogers is in Canada but our approvals generally follow the FCC info)
I figure that the way Motorola differentiates between the bands supported would be the model number, such as XT-1058.
This is why your table is so valuable, the info is very hard to find. I'm not using my Rogers Moto X with Rogers, just like many others want to buy a Moto X for another provider so if you can get the info bang on it will help many people.
edit - did more research and I'm very confident the Rogers Moto X supports LTE bands 2,4,5,17 - the same as AT&T's XT-1058 as the FCC ID on the Rogers phone is the same as AT&T and Motorola's own test reports list LTE bands 2,4,5, and 17.
edit #2 - I looked up the Canadian certification, there is no 2600 mhz in the Moto X.

Just talked to Rogers customer service. Here is their answer
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That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.

Steve-x said:
That is great that Rogers thinks its a 2600mhz device, but it isn't. The iFixit tear down found no 2600 mhz hardware, the Industry Canada certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz and the FCC certification has no request for or approval given for 2600 mhz.
So no matter what Rogers says, there isn't 2600 mhz support in the XT-1058.
The only way its possible is if Motorola put different hardware into a phone with the same XT-1058 model number(not gonna happen) and if they didn't bother to tell Industry Canada or the FCC that it was present, in which case they will be a in a lot of trouble very soon.
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I dont know why Moto make so hard to find the LTE bands Moto X supports. But I have a XT1058 that I bought in Brazil and use in LTE band 7 (2600 mhz) . This same model is for sale in Claro Chile that uses LTE band 7 also. My phone is assembled in Brazil but it has FCC ID IHDT56PA1 Type M0DD7.I don't believe Moto uses a different hardware with the same model name.

The model info is available on the Wikipedia Moto X page. It clearly states which model is capable of which frequency/band there.

rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?

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rds_sp,
Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.

One correction...I don't think Sprint has a 32GB version.

Steve-x said:
OK, I finally found information from the FCC that confirms the XT1058 does in fact have 2600 Mhz Band 7 LTE. However it is not approved for use in the US. The normal AT&T firmware has the band disabled, however someone has confirmed that the AT&T 4.4 leak has it enabled(Likely an error).
The Rogers XT1058 should have band 7 enabled in firmware however LTE band 17 is disabled.(700 mhz)
The IC (Industry Canada) certification is all messed up and doesn't indicate the proper bands the phone supports.
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Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?

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Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!

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Telus does not have any band 7 LTE, however they do have band 4 LTE (AWS band) and it works great with a Rogers/Fido Moto X that has been unlocked(8 bucks). I have two in front me to prove it works!
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Excellent! thanks for the quick reply and pretty much sums that up. Unlocking is $8 for me as well ha. Was just making sure LTE would still work on Telus. Thanks again

TITANote2LTE said:
Very interesting. Looking to pick one of these up from rogers and use it on telus. Wondering if Telus has band 7 lte 2600Mhz. Or is that JUST rogers? Im hearing that buying from rogers and sim unlocking will only get hspa+ on Telus. Anyone confirm or have a clear answer on that?
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I understand that rogers has band 4, 7 & 10 for LTE, I'm running the at&t 4.4 firmware on my rogers moto. I'll confirm if I do receive LTE with speed test
Confirmed LTE works download speed 58 MB/s.
As for telus, I can't tell but I do see chatr as available under mobile networks same for bell and telus
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Can you please post a screenshot of system info that clearly shows LTE B7?
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I'm pretty sure the T-Mobile X is Sim unlockable
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VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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arcanexvi said:
VZW XT1060 is bands 4/13 not just 13. Basically it works on VZW LTE and T-Mobile and AT&T as well.
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I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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landale said:
I believe the Verizon Moto X can support band 4 but needs a software update to enable it. Has anyone tried putting a T-Mobile SIM in their Verizon X to see?
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Yes
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HTC M9+ on VZW 700 band LTE

Hey team, surely we can figure this out. I have an M8, rooted on VZW in the USA. I am going to buy an M9+ on amazon purely for fun. On PhoneArena, it specifies that it does recieve 700 band LTE, VZW's main LTE band. VZW owns the 700MHz Upper Block C (band 13) so I believe it will be compatible, just not with XLTE, which uses band 4 (1700MHz). Just looking for someone selling one or any tricks thanks!

Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.

omar302 said:
Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
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Thanks! That's a great point as well. My speculation is that the VoLTE for Verizon, which utilizes the 700 band. So maybe VoLTE would still work. I'm sure an M9/M8 Sense 7 rom port could work.. Verizon also is CDMA dominant but supports international GSM. So my dinners are crossed. Comments? Questions?
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http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
4G LTE:
FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,28
TDD: Bands 38, 39, 40, 41
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Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.

stephenju said:
http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
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Of course, just wish there was a way to swap antennae/get a NA M9+ lol
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.

stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands are they.
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Oh really? F*ckin juicy.. Sane thing, my Nexus is unlocked and finds T-Mo, Sprint and VZW, no AT&T. So will it work?! (in theory)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
It's sad i can't find the following directory in my M9+.
/sys/devices/virtual/android_usb/android0/f_diag
Maybe somebody have the enough knowledge to help dig the bands in MTK SoC.

stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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I have used the M9+ in DC on the Cricket network and I only get 3G. I think there are ways by which bands can be unlocked. I remember having a similar thing back when I was using the One X.
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stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS

stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area..
Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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denco1 said:
Band 4 AWS
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By TW do you mean Taiwanese? I am assured this is an authentic Taiwanese HTC, I was checking on the Uh Oh Protection. Is the band 4 AWS correct? Is that the part of the 700 band that is shared by most LTE networks?
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Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just selling my M8 for ~$450.
denver.craigslist.org/mob/5174687185.html
Just bought this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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Band 4 AWS is 1700/2100 not 700MHz.

droidBOOST said:
Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just sold my M8 for ~$470.
Just bough this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.

stephenju said:
I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
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AWS should work. I route most my calling over Wi-Fi/data anyways. If calling doesn't work, I am going to use the Project Fi sim from my Nexus 6. I'm on Wi-Fi literally almost everywhere. I wonder if anyone has thought of flashing the M9 dialer over to the M9+. I've edited my scripts and got VoLTE to work for my HTC M8 with something similar. Any dev suggestions?
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Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
My VZW should allow you to connect to Verizon.. haha just the phone.
Will update with more info upon Fi-ing/root.
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droidBOOST said:
Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
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Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.

stephenju said:
Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
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Its a Verizon sim out of my M8, currently active. I think it works on the LTE so it picks up the 4G network, but without the CDMA backbone it wont connect. Says it will work on any GSM network in the US, maybe flip it here in the states instead of selling it. Any root suggestions?
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Mi5s no 800 MHz FDD-LTE

Again, no 800 MHz (b20) support for the MI5s and MI5s Plus.
What you think about that?
I will switch from Mi5 to Le Pro 3 and don't care anymore for Xiaomi smartphones.

is it important for Europe users?

Some provider only got 800 MHz and they start to switch the UMTS antenna to LTE. For example Telekom Germany
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This is 800 MHz
This is 1800 MHz
O2/Telefonica/Eplus only got 800 MHz
Vodafone 95% 800 MHz. Telekom is the best one if you looking for 1800/2600 MHz

In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.

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In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...

slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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yea considering Croatia has same T-mobile as Germany(DT) it makes sense it's the same lol
I'm waiting for Mi5 prime, ordered it on Monday. Second choice was Zuk Z2 regular, glad I skipped it.

Same problem in Slovenia. Si.mobil is using mainly 800Mhz. So this is main reason, why many friends did not go for Mi5.
On other hand, Telekom Slovenia had a bit better 1800Mhz.

Hi,
Same problem in France
I was waiting for the Xiaomi Mi 5S but now....
In France, for LTE we use/need B3 (1800) / B7 (2600) / B20 (800) / B28 (700)
Xiaomi ? Please, produce a phone with all these frequencies !
A taiwan version maybe ?
Is someone know if it's a hardware limitation or software ?
Regards,
amans

I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...

troublecro said:
In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
edmondt said:
I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...
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No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...

Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, make me choose the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.

Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
You can see a list of LTE frequencies and bands used in the World here.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
These is to show the restrictions that bands have, from both Law and interference with other technologies.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
The West uses FDD-LTE: different frequencies for upload and download.
In China TDD-LTE is mostly used: time difference between upload and download.
Then there is channel width, that, like the Wifi signals, can vary.
10MHz, 20MHz, 40MHz and 80MHz.
Bigger width means more data being transmitted, like in Wifi transmission.
This width is different on each LTE technology: Cat3 (150Mbps), Cat6 (300Mbps), etc...
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, I am going to buy the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.
Yes, the speed reached on the band 20, on the 800MHz frequency, is really close to HSPA speeds. But, you must not forget ping (latency): LTE has a very low latency capacity.
For example, my LTE latency is ~8ms, where HSPA is ~30ms.
This is particularly noticed opening pages on the browser, accessing information at each click, and so on.

Most of these Chinese phones do not provide real worldwide LTE connectivity, even though they have the excellent hardware that supports many bands and standards. Check the Leeco Le Max 2 - even compared to latest Leeco's Le Pro3 - Le Max 2 beats all the chinese phones in terms of connectivity and pretty close to iPhone/Samsung S7 (SD-version, of course).

same as first floor, i can speak chinese so i went to their official forum to request bands unlock, the people there said mostly "not my business, i dont care, why foreigners buy xiaomi but not iphone, no one use those bands here". no official team member came out to offer help, so disappoint
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Klanac89 said:
Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...
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so xiaomi should at least give us an opportunity to pay the 0,20€ and unlock the brands, they want to save money not mean they can say the mi5s is a LTE phone in their ads, this is a kind of cheating.

Weidas said:
Are they selling their phones officialy in your country? Are they saying lte is supported in your country? No one cheated or lied to you, phone is what it is.
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my purpose is not blaming them, just feel this should not be so hard to unlock bands based on the support of hardware. btw, if people sell lte phone but just with half-lte function, i sill think they should notice the customers before they do the purchase. anyway, just hope to unlock the bands, even i have to pay some more money

may be this help? petition to XIAOMI for MI Phones Band 20 Unlock

if hw dosent support b20 and other xiaomi cant do unlock. if it locked by soft they can release patch or mod for unlock. not necessary officially.

Weidas said:
Thats just not how it works, you dont understand anything about bands and the tax you have to pay for it. Also this phone works perfect with lte in countries, where its officially sold, how cant you understand? Use it in china, it will work perfectly. XIAOMI DOESNT SELL THESE IN EUROPE, thats why it doesnt have to work in europe, its not their business, you bought your phone from 3rd party vendor, even tho xiaomi doesnt support your country, thats your fault, not theirs. And forget about unlocking bands, even if you are willing to pay money. Its a difficult process, and for model to have aditional bands it has to go through various tests and confirmations, it also has to recieve different model number and get more confirmations and sertifications. Its a long process you know nothing about, so i can make it clear you. IT WONT HAPPEN. Only way to unlock is by unofficial way, but it involves a lot of reverse engineering and complete guessing in the dark, so i wouldnt get my hopes up also.
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so u just keep trust in ur ways/ rules/ ideas, I don't too much care. there are always reasons the companies do this or don't do that. maybe u think it is normal that xiaomi treatcustomers in different ways in different place, some one can use 4g some one not, but "why don't u understand" I just don't think so? plz u must understand you dont understand anything that i understand, i really curious where u get this such kind of self-confidence, from bible?

Weidas said:
What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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i dont know english and im living in my dream, u r so genius, no one familiar laws like u and everyone love u, u r so smart so right and so adorable, zhen tama shab yige

Weidas said:
What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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Come on, it's android, with root and a good developer you can change everything in your phone
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