Again, no 800 MHz (b20) support for the MI5s and MI5s Plus.
What you think about that?
I will switch from Mi5 to Le Pro 3 and don't care anymore for Xiaomi smartphones.
is it important for Europe users?
Some provider only got 800 MHz and they start to switch the UMTS antenna to LTE. For example Telekom Germany
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This is 800 MHz
This is 1800 MHz
O2/Telefonica/Eplus only got 800 MHz
Vodafone 95% 800 MHz. Telekom is the best one if you looking for 1800/2600 MHz
In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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yea considering Croatia has same T-mobile as Germany(DT) it makes sense it's the same lol
I'm waiting for Mi5 prime, ordered it on Monday. Second choice was Zuk Z2 regular, glad I skipped it.
Same problem in Slovenia. Si.mobil is using mainly 800Mhz. So this is main reason, why many friends did not go for Mi5.
On other hand, Telekom Slovenia had a bit better 1800Mhz.
Hi,
Same problem in France
I was waiting for the Xiaomi Mi 5S but now....
In France, for LTE we use/need B3 (1800) / B7 (2600) / B20 (800) / B28 (700)
Xiaomi ? Please, produce a phone with all these frequencies !
A taiwan version maybe ?
Is someone know if it's a hardware limitation or software ?
Regards,
amans
I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...
troublecro said:
In Croatia most of the cities are covered with higher bands,800mhz is only important if u want LTE in rural parts of country.
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Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
slead1 said:
The same in Germany, the cities are properly covered by 1800 MHz but rural areas are covered by 800 MHz.
I got T-Mobile and was thinking of getting a mi5s plus. I had a mi5 and sold it, got a Zuk z2 pro. But the software on this sucks big time. Cm is buggy and mokee is also buggy.
I will wait...
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No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
edmondt said:
I don't think they will for now due to potential lawsuit... I could be wrong, but I think Xiaomi infringe copyrights on Apple, Samsung etc...
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No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...
Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, make me choose the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.
Usually, European Providers use the following scheme:
1800 (band 3) and 2600MHz (band 7) in bigger cities, with high demand of data; and
800MHz (band 20) in remote areas to cover a bigger area.
You can see a list of LTE frequencies and bands used in the World here.
The choice of the frequencies is linked to two things:
- Demand: Greater frequencies (1800 and 2600MHz) support bigger data flow, but have a limited range; smaller frequency (800MHz) transmit less quantity of data, but have a higher are of service, thus being used on rural places;
- Law: which regulates which frequencies are available for commercial use, in the Country or the region.
In Portugal, in order to have LTE on some frequencies, the transition of analog TV to the digital service had to be rushed.
These is to show the restrictions that bands have, from both Law and interference with other technologies.
In Europe, due to the Laws, the frequencies above are the ones used, in general.
The West uses FDD-LTE: different frequencies for upload and download.
In China TDD-LTE is mostly used: time difference between upload and download.
Then there is channel width, that, like the Wifi signals, can vary.
10MHz, 20MHz, 40MHz and 80MHz.
Bigger width means more data being transmitted, like in Wifi transmission.
This width is different on each LTE technology: Cat3 (150Mbps), Cat6 (300Mbps), etc...
For me, due to the lack of Band 20 on the 800MHz, I am going to buy the Honor 8 over the Xiaomi Mi5 / Mi5S.
Yes, the speed reached on the band 20, on the 800MHz frequency, is really close to HSPA speeds. But, you must not forget ping (latency): LTE has a very low latency capacity.
For example, my LTE latency is ~8ms, where HSPA is ~30ms.
This is particularly noticed opening pages on the browser, accessing information at each click, and so on.
Most of these Chinese phones do not provide real worldwide LTE connectivity, even though they have the excellent hardware that supports many bands and standards. Check the Leeco Le Max 2 - even compared to latest Leeco's Le Pro3 - Le Max 2 beats all the chinese phones in terms of connectivity and pretty close to iPhone/Samsung S7 (SD-version, of course).
same as first floor, i can speak chinese so i went to their official forum to request bands unlock, the people there said mostly "not my business, i dont care, why foreigners buy xiaomi but not iphone, no one use those bands here". no official team member came out to offer help, so disappoint
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Klanac89 said:
Hrvatski Telekom is Deutsche Telekom, just cover with "croatian" but it's german.
After buying the real croatian telecom, they upgrade the 3G to 4G. The last 3 years they cover over 50% and use a lot 1800 MHz, which means up to 150 Mbit/s
https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/karta-pokrivenosti
The german site is much better
https://www.telekom.de/start/netzausbau
4G up to 50 Mbit/s means 800 MHz
4G up to 150 Mbit/s is 1800 MHz
Rest of 4G is 2600 MHz
No, Eplus/Telefonica only got 800 MHz, Vodafone about 90-95% 800 MHz and Telekom 25% 1800/2600 MHz. Vodafone start to promote 4.5G but this is dual stack or 2600 MHz (marketing).
No, you need to pay for 800 MHz. It's about ~0,20€ per device. In China they don't use 800 MHz, because this is fast as HSDPA+ (42 Mbit/s) so they start with 1800 MHz in Asia.
1.000.000 Mi5s x 0,20€ = a lot money for nothing.
LeEco buy all bands and pay maybe 0,50€. Clever...
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so xiaomi should at least give us an opportunity to pay the 0,20€ and unlock the brands, they want to save money not mean they can say the mi5s is a LTE phone in their ads, this is a kind of cheating.
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Are they selling their phones officialy in your country? Are they saying lte is supported in your country? No one cheated or lied to you, phone is what it is.
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my purpose is not blaming them, just feel this should not be so hard to unlock bands based on the support of hardware. btw, if people sell lte phone but just with half-lte function, i sill think they should notice the customers before they do the purchase. anyway, just hope to unlock the bands, even i have to pay some more money
may be this help? petition to XIAOMI for MI Phones Band 20 Unlock
if hw dosent support b20 and other xiaomi cant do unlock. if it locked by soft they can release patch or mod for unlock. not necessary officially.
Weidas said:
Thats just not how it works, you dont understand anything about bands and the tax you have to pay for it. Also this phone works perfect with lte in countries, where its officially sold, how cant you understand? Use it in china, it will work perfectly. XIAOMI DOESNT SELL THESE IN EUROPE, thats why it doesnt have to work in europe, its not their business, you bought your phone from 3rd party vendor, even tho xiaomi doesnt support your country, thats your fault, not theirs. And forget about unlocking bands, even if you are willing to pay money. Its a difficult process, and for model to have aditional bands it has to go through various tests and confirmations, it also has to recieve different model number and get more confirmations and sertifications. Its a long process you know nothing about, so i can make it clear you. IT WONT HAPPEN. Only way to unlock is by unofficial way, but it involves a lot of reverse engineering and complete guessing in the dark, so i wouldnt get my hopes up also.
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so u just keep trust in ur ways/ rules/ ideas, I don't too much care. there are always reasons the companies do this or don't do that. maybe u think it is normal that xiaomi treatcustomers in different ways in different place, some one can use 4g some one not, but "why don't u understand" I just don't think so? plz u must understand you dont understand anything that i understand, i really curious where u get this such kind of self-confidence, from bible?
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What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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i dont know english and im living in my dream, u r so genius, no one familiar laws like u and everyone love u, u r so smart so right and so adorable, zhen tama shab yige
Weidas said:
What are you even talking about? Do you understand english? XIAOMI CANT JUST UNLOCK BANDS WITHOUT RELEASING NEW PHONE MODEL, ITS THE LAW. Do you understand what law is? Probably not. Also XIAOMI FULLY SUPPORT LTE WHERE THIS PHONE IS OFICIALLY SOLD, how dense are you? Im done with you, keep dreaming and living in your imagination land LMAO.
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Come on, it's android, with root and a good developer you can change everything in your phone
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I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...
Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...
However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...
Here it is:
*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8
That means UMTS 900/1900/2100!
Damn!
Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...
Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...
Any thoughts?
update
Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...
Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.
Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.
In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.
Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for...
Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...
So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?
That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!
THANKS!
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
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I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?
Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware
Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK
Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G
UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...
WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...
"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."
This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.
However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.
So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...
This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
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Artesea,
Thanks for posting that..
As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..
So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...
mlinz said:
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
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Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.
The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900
I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3
IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
SCtud said:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
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Because the lawsuit is only in NA
I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..
1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.
850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.
The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.
Would these help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?
It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.
I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
crazy
It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.
G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.
Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.
From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?
I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.
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From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.
Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.
If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.
I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?
If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.
as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.
i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails
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All signs are pointing toward the SGH-T999 (Galaxy S III) heading to T-Mobile as the newest piece of evidence surfaces in the form of FCC approval. Here’s the one notable takeaway from this, no LTE is coming in this particular model. The documents do show WCDMA support for T-Mobile’s AWS band, just as we expected to see. There’s also support for the 850 and 1900 bands meaning this device will be ready to rock under T-Mobile’s refarmed 4G network as well. The lack of LTE connectivity isn’t surprising given that T-Mobile isn’t expected to launch their LTE network until sometime in 2013, but we had hoped that Samsung and T-Mobile would forward think given that T-Mobile’s AWS LTE network will pair up nicely with AT&T’s own LTE 1700 bands.
NFC (near-field communication) is on board, but we don’t know how much support T-Mobile will offer for this feature, though we hope Google Wallet support is a possibility. Other than that, we’re not seeing any other surprises here, good or bad.
All in all, this early FCC report seems fairly standard — so now we wait for T-Mobile to make an official announcement.
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So am I right to assume this device unlocked will work with ATT as well? Given the 850 and 1900 HSPA bands, despite not seeing 2100 listed.
I hope this proves it. Hopefully t-mobile gets it, I have a up grade coming next month and Ive had my eye's on this since it was announced.
Heard from a samsung rep that gs3 is coming to tmobile mid june
I hope its true
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If this materializes as a quad core Exynos than this might stop me from pre-ordering the international version. Lets go T-Mo!
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If it's Tmobile I might switch from AT&T. I think T mobile is quite a bit cheaper for me
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Looks like their is two models. The SGH-T999 and the SGH-T999v. I'm thinking its going to be two different storage options.
Also from samsung rep
16gb or 32gb option
Dual core s4 krait processor instead of quad core ( but he said rumor of maybe quad..but probably not)
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Heard from a samsung rep that gs3 is coming to tmobile mid june
I hope its true
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Highly doubtful..
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So am I right to assume this device unlocked will work with ATT as well? Given the 850 and 1900 HSPA bands, despite not seeing 2100 listed.
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According to this table, yes.
Should work well on T-Mo, not so great on AT&T...
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According to this table, yes.
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I'm not sure anymore...
Also, the user agent profile shows ARM11 instead of MSM8960. Could very well be the Exynos Quad-Core chip.
Link:
http://wap.samsungmobile.com/uaprof/SGH-T999.xml
Unlocked S3 and T-Mobile prepaid SIM > Max. speed?
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I'm not sure anymore...
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Has anyone here definite information if the International/Unlocked S3 will work with a pre-paid SIM card on the T-Mobile network, and at broadband (3G+/HSPA+) speeds- ?
I've read a ton of posts, blogs and spec sheets since I was thinking about buying the unlocked S3 and a T-Mo (USA) SIM card yesterday - and I am not sure about it anymore, since there seems to be a lot of conflicting information...
1.) Taylor Wimberly, from the "Android & Me" blog pointed out in his recent article "7 reasons to shred your wireless contract and switch to prepaid" (http://androidandme.com/2012/05/opi...your-wireless-contract-and-switch-to-pre-paid) that is it possible to use a prepaid SIM on the US Networks of T-Mobile and AT&T.
According to his blog, it is - even with a prepaid 3rd-Party SIM - still possible to get on the fast HSPA+ networks of T-Mobile and AT&T (USA)... (??)
2.) However, and when I checked out T-Mobile's prepaid SIM offerings, they clearly state that "Only 3G phones that support the 1700-MHz band are compatible (not all 3G phones support it)", and "Important note about 3G phones: If you own a 3G phone but it does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network."
And who really wants to crawl the web with a freakin' awesome S3, but only at at 2G speeds?
3.) Lastly, and reading up on which MHz bands exactly the International S3 can handle, it is stated:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE (regional)
Turns out that both T-Mobile and AT&T in the U.S. use the 1700 MHz band - which is outside of the International S3's spectrum... so it seems. But, T-Mobile also uses the 1900 MHz band for 3G..
I don't really care about LTE, as long as I can get HSPA+ speeds with approx. 20 Mbit/s down.
So... Who is right?
Can I use the International S3 with an T-Mobile prepaid SIM and still cruise at HSPA+ speeds?
Or, am I doomed to use 2G only if pursuing that path??
Please HELP to CLARIFY... because I'm going crazy over this!
Thanks!
to my knowledge tmo uses both 1700 and 2100 for their 3G (correct me if I'm wrong) so yea it'll be edge
But, if you have enough patience with edge than go ahead and use it on tmo as they'll be using 1900 by the end of the year and by then 3G should be usable
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Is there a release date for when T-mobile will be offering the phone? I'm seeing it'll debut in the US on June 1st but I don't know if that means they'll be offering it then or not.
Tmobile is the most effed up carrier out there when comes to phones. Do u really think now just like that unexpectedly they will be offering immediatly the best android device out there? Wait for first quarter of 2013 and then maybe they offer this hottie.
According to Negri Electronics the European model is suppose to come with Pentaband radios including the (1700) T-Mobile 3G radio. I have been calling them every day to get a confirmation because that radio has an *astrik next to it. They said that a Samsung executive said that the phone WILL be coming with the 1700 radio but are waiting for their phones to come in before confirming that to the public. I pre ordered mine, Blue with 32gb and even went so far in ordering a 64gb sd-card. This phone better work on T-Mobile. T-Mobile in my area pushes out over 15mb download and about 4mb upload. Those are very fast speeds for HSPA+. Best part is HSPA+ doesn't murder your battery. I have the Rezound on Verizon and also the GS2 on T-Mobile.
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According to Negri Electronics the European model is suppose to come with Pentaband radios including the (1700) T-Mobile 3G radio. I have been calling them every day to get a confirmation because that radio has an *astrik next to it. They said that a Samsung executive said that the phone WILL be coming with the 1700 radio but are waiting for their phones to come in before confirming that to the public. I pre ordered mine, Blue with 32gb and even went so far in ordering a 64gb sd-card. This phone better work on T-Mobile. T-Mobile in my area pushes out over 15mb download and about 4mb upload. Those are very fast speeds for HSPA+. Best part is HSPA+ doesn't murder your battery. I have the Rezound on Verizon and also the GS2 on T-Mobile.
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huh.. seems your right; from the sgs3 blue/64GB tinyurl[dot]com/85mtsj7
Code:
SPECIFICATIONS:[B]
GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 [COLOR="Red"][I][U]/ 1700* /[/U][/I][/COLOR] 1900 / 2100
4G Network Region Based[/B]
BODY Dimensions 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6mm
Weight 133 grams
- Touch-sensitive controls
DISPLAY Type Super AMOLED Plus capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 720 x 1280 pixels, 4.8 inches (~306 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
- TouchWiz UI v4.0
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
MEMORY Card slot microSD, up to 64GB
Internal 64GB storage, 1 GB RAM
DATA GPRS Class 12 (4+1/3+2/2+3/1+4 slots), 32 - 48 kbps
EDGE Class 12
Speed HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP, EDR
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0 microUSB (MHL), USB On-the-go
CAMERA Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection, image stabilization
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP, [email protected]
FEATURES OS Android OS, v4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
Chipset Exynos 4212 Quad
CPU Quad-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9
GPU Mali-400MP
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML, Adobe Flash
Radio Stereo FM radio with RDS
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support and GLONASS
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Pebble Blue
- MicroSIM card support only
- S-Voice natural language commands and dictation
- Dropbox (50 GB storage)
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- TV-out (via MHL A/V link)
- SNS integration
- MP4/DivX/XviD/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/AC3/FLAC player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document editor (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, PDF)
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa integration
- Voice memo/dial/commands
- Predictive text input (Swype)
BATTERY Standard battery, Li-Ion 2100 mAh
[B]* Unconfirmed that the SGSIII will have 1700 3/4G. Verbal confirmation from Samsung Latin America Rep 5/3/2012 stated “Yes”[/B]
set to pull the trigger,i like the speeds here. just give us the wolfson dac
Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.
MadMatt89 said:
Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.
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Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!
henklbr said:
Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!
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Maybe because I'm in Canada?
The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.
tni.andro said:
The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.
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So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?
MadMatt89 said:
So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?
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Theoretically - but since Qualcomm is keeping the tech notes for the WRT1605L chip very hard to obtain - and since there is no software to do this - and since it's entirely possible the chip is 'select once' (I've read through the API for the chipset and can find lots of 'look up the settings' but no 'change the settings' commands), I would say 'not gonna happen soon'.
In fact, it's slightly worse than you might think. Canada uses bands 4 and 7 which ARE included in the European model, but only band 4 is included in the US model - so we're already taking a compatibility hit. Even worse, the US model only uses six of the seven bands the chip can support at one time - you'd think they'd have thrown in 7 just for compatibility reasons.
In any case, the 'unlocked' they refer to is 'carrier unlocked' which means you can use it with any carrier... not unlocked as in 'you can change the bands'.
I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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I contacted the Google customer service and they said thats true, Canada belongs to the "Rest Of World"
TDBearCT said:
I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???
dinar said:
Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???
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This information is incorrect or at least outdated. Rogers supports the 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz LTE bands. Hardware-wise, the 2100 MHz band is supported on the Nexus 7 (US/Canada); the 2600 MHz band is only supported on the International Nexus 7. The 2100 MHz band is the default band for Rogers LTE -- everywhere that Rogers has deployed LTE, they have deployed 2100 MHz. I personally use my Nexus 7 (US/Canada) on the Rogers network, with LTE, and it works fine.
However, if you want to use the Rogers "LTE Max" service, then yes, you need both 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz. LTE Max uses both frequency bands to increase throughput. On LTE Max, 150Mb/s downstream rates are theoretically achievable. The regular Rogers LTE, on the 2100 MHz band (without 2600 MHz) can only reach 75Mb/s downstream. The Rogers 2600 MHz band is only active in a very few areas (mainly very big cities). Outside of these few areas, you can't get LTE Max, and the only way to get any LTE at all is via 2100 MHz.
Personally, I have no problem with "only" 75Mb/s downstream.
Hi guys..
This is my question: "What are the real problems without Band 20 (LTE FDD 800MHz (B20)) in daily use?"
I'm interested to purchase 6/128GB Chinese version.
I live in Italy, and my carrier is TIM... my 4G works on LTE FDD 800/1800/2600 (B3/B7/B20), and Chinese version has all bands except 800MHz (B20). Is this a real problem or not?
There is a method to know what is most important frequency in my area? I can't find one app that show my my actual band... i want try to test my S4 daily signal to write a map of most used frequencies in my area. Does anyone know what app i can use for this?
Depending on where you live and what you carrier is, you risk not having LTE.
EDIT : If you're living in the countryside, you "need" it.
Sorry but i've launched the thread after wrong click... i've edited the original post.
I know that i risk to lost 4G connection... and i don't want this!
But if i test my area's band, and 800MHz is the 1% of signal coverage.. the problem is solved! (800MHz is short range band, but strong enough to penetrate buildings, but i've ADSL )
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Sorry but i've launched the thread after wrong click... i've edited the original post.
I know that i risk to lost 4G connection... and i don't want this!
But if i test my area's band, and 800MHz is the 1% of signal coverage.. the problem is solved! (800MHz is short range band, but strong enough to penetrate buildings, but i've ADSL )
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If your area is well covered by band 3 and 7 then you don't really need it.
Band 7 : Short range, "bad" indoor signal, big capacity. Great if you live in some big town, with a lot of antennas.
Band 20 : Long range, good indoor signal, "little" capacity. Great if you live in the countryside, with fewer towers.
Band 3 : "between" the other 2.
Ok thanx man... now i need any app that help me to trace my signal, i want scan it in my daily use, to know how much time (and where) i really use 800MHz Band! Can u help me to find an appropriate app? Are three days that i try, but nothing, I can't find the right app.
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Ok thanx man... now i need any app that help me to trace my signal, i want scan it in my daily use, to know how much time (and where) i really use 800MHz Band! Can u help me to find an appropriate app? Are three days that i try, but nothing, I can't find the right app.
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Sorry, i only know of LTE discovery but it only gives you your current network...
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Sorry, i only know of LTE discovery but it only gives you your current network...
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It's just what i need... but unfortunately my carrier isn't supported... :crying:
This is the 1st app that i've tryed 2 days ago...
My carrier is TIM (Telecom Italia Mobile).
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It's just what i need... but unfortunately my carrier isn't supported... :crying:
This is the 1st app that i've tryed 2 days ago...
My carrier is TIM (Telecom Italia Mobile).
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It needs root. Or at least I once granted it root...
Check this
http://www.android-hilfe.de/thema/s...-lte-in-deutschland-info-sammelthread.747199/
Picture one is 800 MHz, second ome 1800 MHz and the last one 2600 MHz but this is Telekom (Mercedes). On Vodafone or Telefonica 95 to 100% is band 20/800 MHz.
In Italy you can check the provider homepage. 800 MHz is up to 50 Mbit/s, 1800 MHz up to 100 or 150 Mbit/s and 2600 MHz is the rest (300 Mbit/s and more).
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It needs root. Or at least I once granted it root...
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I've my personal CustomROM on...
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Check this
http://www.android-hilfe.de/thema/s...-lte-in-deutschland-info-sammelthread.747199/
Picture one is 800 MHz, second ome 1800 MHz and the last one 2600 MHz but this is Telekom (Mercedes). On Vodafone or Telefonica 95 to 100% is band 20/800 MHz.
In Italy you can check the provider homepage. 800 MHz is up to 50 Mbit/s, 1800 MHz up to 100 or 150 Mbit/s and 2600 MHz is the rest (300 Mbit/s and more).
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Yes i know the Band20 (800MHz) importance, but in the end i've found a way to know which band i really use in my town (I live in a small town with 60,000 people). Simply using a Service Mode (+#0011#) i can see the actual band in use, and with my great surprise, i only use Band3 (1800 MHz) on LTE and Band1 (2100 MHz) on UMTS!!! I've found Band20 only a few times, and for few seconds. Ex: in my house i use only Band3 (speedtest 75 or more Mbps everywhere in my house), in 2 days no Band20 (but in my house isn't a problem, i've the optical fiber...) - Using my car i've turned around the town, and all town is covered by Band3, even the sea area, on the beach only Band3 (speedtest 50 Mbps)!!! A little problem at my work, in my office i've found Band20 (LTE) and Band1 (HSPA), but Band20 with -115 Dbs and Band1 -90 Dbs, and after many speedtest with Band20 i've max 5 Mbps, and with Band1 max 10 Mbps (But i work in a police central and i've a tons of PC - Radios - and it's really full of interference)!
In conclusion the Band20 is not really important for me! I do other tests and after i decide!