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Ok, im going to start not from the beginning beginning, but from where problems started.
Friday night, went out, I was writing an sms when somebody pushed me and i dropped my wiz, i picked it up, to find that the battery was gone, nowhere to be found, i did find the cover tho. i tried to look for the batt, but i was in the middle of the club so it wasn't that easy.. I knew that a friend of mine had a spare one so i didn't worry that much.
Sunday I got the replacement, tried it, no luck, it ran out i thought, but when i tried to charge it, nothing happened. Buying a new one is not that easy when you are in Argentina, and they are expensive, so i decided to jump sart it. good news: it worked, i could turn on the phone, so the battery is fine. bad news: it still doesn't want to charge!
I previously had problems with the usb, and i had to have it soldered again, pretty strong, but I thought that might be the problem again, so i disassembled my wiz. new problem: the power button broke, the tiny, tiny black piece fell off, AND I LOST IT! DOH!
Anyways, the usb is still soldered pretty strong, i don't think its gonna go loose again, so thats not the freaking problem!
So now, instead of the initial no-charge problem, i have a disassembled wizard, that won't charge the goddamn battery, AND a broken power button (tried to glue it, but fell off again and thats when i lost the piece).
Regarding the button, i've studied my options, what would you recommend and how would you do it?
option 1: turn on the phone with the soft reset hole, and remap the screen on/off function to another button.
option 2: replace the power button internal piece with the one from the voice command button (i never use it). i've taken a look and they seem to be the same, but i don't know if taking it off and soldering it back would work..
anyways, that leaves me again with my initial problem, and i do have an hypothesis. I THINK (because I THINK i remember this happening to me before), that the battery won't start charging until windows has started, and the jump star power the battery has is not enough to get it started (tried to tape it and leave it for a while to see if it charged a bit more, but didn't work, the phone turns on but goes out when loading, and since i've my wiz pretty loaded it takes its time to load).
So to try this out i would need a way to charge the battery manually, and i don't have access to another wiz to have it charged (my friend had a spare batt because his wiz is broken).
So, if you have a solution to this, ANY different solution, or even an IDEA, please give me a hint!
For what i've read, this are common problems, so there must be something out there.
Man, that's a bad thing
I'll try to help you as much as I can.
You are right about Wiz only start charging when it's on. After my N78 was stolen and I went back to the Wizard, the battery was without any charge for months... I plugged it and no red LED... Turned it on and, bingo, red LED and charging!
The voice command and the on/off buttons are the same, so (in theory) it would work 100% IF you were able to change their places (at least for me, it is impossible to do manually, never found any good equip here =\ )
With a lot of patience (and a small soldering iron) I would try to take the voice comm button off and place it where the on/off was.
For the battery, maybe someone here can point if there is a "battery charger" standalone device, or such a thing...
Good luck man
hey thanks for the quick reply!
i'm not thinking of doing it myself, i'm not not that precise nor is my solder, but i know a guy, same dude that fixed my usb. I like that idea more than the other, but i guess that remapping the screen on/off and using the soft reset button would be much safer.. i haven't made up my mind about that yet.
Weir thing about MY wiz, at least thats what i think happened to me last time my battery was completely discharged, is that not only the device must be ON for it to charge, but it needs to have WINDOWS already loaded, i know for most devices it's not like that, but i think thats how mine works, or at least thats the only explanation i could find!
btw, i love your case modding concept, and since i might have my wiz sitting for a while, i might go ahead and try something too! nothing as extreme as yours of course.. i'd love to see more updates on your project along with some guide to see what ideas i can take
slight detail while thinking my options.. if i was to remap the screen on/off function to another button, would i need to have the device in sync? or connected via cable? because when i had the usb soldered, don't know how nor why (all the pins seem to be ok) but the device won't be recognized by any computer, usb only works for charging (or used to work, at least, still haven't figured why it won't charge now).
If its only an app that i can load to the phone, once i have it working (that if i ever will), i can load the app thru minisd, BT or IrDa so that would't be a problem.. i haven's investigated that issue yet.
Hey jinxie, how's your Wizard?
If you're still stuck with the battery (I hope not), check this out...
I think this will solve your battery problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4963547&postcount=5
That's probably to work, just be carefull with the battery's temperature. If it starts to heat, stop the process and wait it to get normal, then start again.
Good luck!
i tried keeping the wires attached to the contacts for a while, didn't think it'd work better doing it just for a little and then repeating the process, i'll try that!
yeap, i'm still stuck and i think i will be for a while, i have to solve the battery issue first (would be useless to do anything else if i'm not certain i will get it to work), then i have to decide what i am going to do with the power button, and then i might paint it, i'm thinking matte black, or maybe take some ideas from your project if you have made any progress at the time!
thanks for the tip, i'll try it today and i let you know how it went
development: phone DOES NOT turn on with the soft reset button as i thought, i was sure it did, but after jumping the bat once again, tried the wiring method (not repeating the jump start but wiring it directly to de device pins), and tried to turn it on with soft reset and dind't work, while it does turn on with the power button, wich is broken, so in order to turn it on i cannot have the phone assambled, wich means that in order to try to make it work, i will need to hold the battery attached with my hands, and it is a pain in the.. you know where.
update: i wired the charger i was using to jump start the battery to the pins in the wizard, then held the battery in place with my hand, with a small screwdriver i pushed the broken power button. wizard turned on, IT FINALLY LOADED WINDOWS, but don't rush, i then (with my MOUTH) connected the USB wall charger to the port in the phone, and removed the wiring, i was expecting the goddamn light to turn on and the screen to tell me that my phone was finally charging. I WAS WRONG. then i had to let go because my hand was killing me and it went off
and the damn thing refuses to charge! what could it be????????
2nd update: I AM MACGYVER !
i figured the wiring had given the bat enough power to load windows on its own, so tried once more holding everything together with my hand but without wiring the pins this time, and at last the amber light turned on!!! im so proud of myself lol
SO NOW: device works ok, charges ok, battery has enaugh power to load windows, WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT THE BROKEN POWER BUTTON? i know you can't remap the power function since its hardware, but the screen on/off function might be remapped. soft reset button DOES not turn on the phone, is there any other way of turning it on? or my only option is to take off the voice command button and soldering it where the power button should be?
well, found the little button part that was missing, glued it (yes, GLUED it), and it kinda worked, i had painted the casing already, so i assembled everything back again. i used a folded piece of paper to hold the button still so it won't fall again and i think it was too big cause now its kind of hard to press but i can live with that, what i cannot live with is NO SIGNAL.. i mean, CMON!! are you kiddin me? now that the button works, battery works, phone assembled, and now this?? when i dissassembled the phone i forgot to take out the sim card, so the metal parts that hold it opened a bit, but i pressed them back, the sim in no way loose, so i guess i might have screwed the attenna :S
i've just checked, i can see the sim contacts so... [CENSORED] !!!
also now the screen looks weird.. like if it had less colours, like when you format your pc and haven's installed the graphic drivers yet, 3d effects look funny..
Hey man, have you painted ALL the Wizard parts, on both sides?
'Cause there is one that has a piece of copper board inside. It makes contact with the antenna. Without that contact, you'll never have signal
The piece I'm talking about is the one that has the camera protection, saying "1.3 MP camera". Look at its back and see if there's no paint on a green and golden plate. Remove the paint if it got there (the golden part is the important one, since it makes contact with the antenna).
Good luck man!
hahah lol, no of course i didn't paint both sides! but anyways im gonna take it apart again, clean it, and try again..
done. it had some paintng yes, but they were very tiny spray drops, so i don't think that is, anyway i cleaned it. On the other hand, i found that the antenna is loose on the left side :S what can i do about it?
Need some help here. I "managed" to drench my tab. Yeah, I know - stoopid me. So what's done is done. Currently the tab's display in not working. I think I was able to power it up - white light on the power button but this stays on forever.
I'm going to return the tab. So here's the question - how would I go about doing a factory reset without actually logging in to the tab?
Thanks in advance.
Bang...
Yeah I really did a banged up job on the tab. LOL!!
Could try to salvage it first and restore and then return it. Odds are if you turned the power on after drenching it you messed it up badly so youre data is gone anyways.
First of all, you should not have tried to turn it on until it was dry. That can cause shorting.
Any time an electronic device gets wet, pull the battery as soon as possible.
Stick it in a bag of dry rice for a week or two (pulls the moisture out) before trying to power it on.
I have a friend who's phone went to the bottom of a lake 3 times. Came back from it all three.
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First of all, you should not have tried to turn it on until it was dry. That can cause shorting.
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Indeed. NEVER turn on a wet electronic device. Especially in case where it's got as heavy-duty battery as a tablet or laptop has.
+1 For the rice trick. Silica works as well (the stuff that comes with a new pair of shoes).
+1,000,000 for never ever turning on a moist device! Water conducts electricity, so as entropyiv said, you probably shorted it out.
I'm also thinking that returning the tablet isn't going to work. They'll know immediately that it got wet, and that's a pretty straight forward warranty killer!
Good luck, and let us know the outcome!
most stores dont check for water damage. If you biught it at target youre in luck. When i worked there we were liniant if you had a reciept.
This is why I bought the accidental warranty...
I ride a motorcycle and have gotten radios and such wet in the past. I make sure and turn them off immediately, remove power and then once I'm home I leave them in the hot garage for a few days and I've never had a one that didn't come back to life.
Thanks...
for your responses. I'll try going the usb route to get rid of all my personal data off the tab. Once again, thank you!
The best advice I could give you as a former Compaq Computers Engineer is to take the back cover off, disconnect the battery if you can and unplug anything back there that you can. Leave the tablet in a relatively warm room for 24 hrs, reconnect everything and 9 times out of 10 it will work again. I'm not sure if you permanently ruined it trying to immediately trying to turn it on, but try this advise and see if it will work for you.
Good luck!
Ted
Wish I had the accidental on mine, i'm in the same boat. Only I cant do much with it.
BTW, anyone want a perfectly good iconia battery?
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Wish I had the accidental on mine, i'm in the same boat. Only I cant do much with it.
BTW, anyone want a perfectly good iconia battery?
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There was a guy with a busted screen.another withbdamaged case.part it out and you can get most of your money back.
Look for other damaged and droped unit threads
Good luck to you both
If it's warrantied, I would put the charger in it and toss it back in water to make sure it's fried good. Anything so it doesn't appear to power-up.
Or... if it had Recovery loaded, try to work through the menus for wiping before adding a mod. Touch screen isn't used.
What happened ? I only ask because the case seems like it would hold water back for at least a couple seconds, enough to get it out without the components getting wet.
Hello and thanks once again to everyone who'd responded.
I left the tab with some silicon gelica thing in a bag in a hot room for two days. Powered up the tab, looked like it was going to work - e.g. acer logo came up, as well as the android logo. I was feeling optimistic that the tab may just be fine. But alas, the LCD just won't work. I got a screen that's constantly flickering, snow, etc. It sure looked like the TV from the movie Poltergeist. lol!!
At least I can boot this sucker up. Now to see if the HDMI port is working or not. If it does, then I can hook it up to my TV, plug in a USB hub for a mouse and keyboard...then I should be able to do a factory reset to clear my personal data. Keeping my fingers crossed that this will work. Worse case, my Win 7 PC should see the tab and maybe I can "format" that thing from there.
Don't worry, I am NOT returning this to any retailer...this unit was not "store bought"...it's an engineering sample that was on loan to me... ;-)
Hi Guys,
First of all, please excuse me for my English, I'll try to do my best.
While replacing the "touch digitalizer" of my Ideos X5 (ordered online on ebay), I made a really stupid mistake. I was following on of these HOW-Tos on Youtube but I think I should have tried all by myself.
When you remove the screen, there are two circuits that you should disconnect. A bigger one at the bottom, and a smaller at the top.
I properly disconnecter the bigger one, broke the small one that links the POWER button and the Rear LED to the rest of the phone. It is only once broken, that I saw how easy it was to unplug this tiny "cable".
I was wondering, or better said hoping if it was possible to buy this small circuit online?
I guess I could even take this circuit from a bricked/broken ideos, but can't find any on ebay.
Any suggestion?
tomf said:
Hi Guys,
First of all, please excuse me for my English, I'll try to do my best.
While replacing the "touch digitalizer" of my Ideos X5 (ordered online on ebay), I made a really stupid mistake. I was following on of these HOW-Tos on Youtube but I think I should have tried all by myself.
When you remove the screen, there are two circuits that you should disconnect. A bigger one at the bottom, and a smaller at the top.
I properly disconnecter the bigger one, broke the small one that links the POWER button and the Rear LED to the rest of the phone. It is only once broken, that I saw how easy it was to unplug this tiny "cable".
I was wondering, or better said hoping if it was possible to buy this small circuit online?
I guess I could even take this circuit from a bricked/broken ideos, but can't find any on ebay.
Any suggestion?
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I also did the same..broke the power circuit while replacing the digitizer. Were you able to reboot your phone?
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I also did the same..broke the power circuit while replacing the digitizer. Were you able to reboot your phone?
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No, I can't find any other way to boot the phone :crying:
It would be great to be able to start the phone without this circuit, even if I lose functions like camera, speaker, and others until I find a replacement.
Is there a way ?
tomf said:
No, I can't find any other way to boot the phone :crying:
It would be great to be able to start the phone without this circuit, even if I lose functions like camera, speaker, and others until I find a replacement.
Is there a way ?
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Sorry for relying you late. Yes, there is an alternate way to boot the phone. Follow these steps:
1. Remove the battery cover
2. Plug in the charger.
3. Once you see the huawei logo on screen, remove the battery.
4. Wait till the phone boot till the home screen
5. Once you see the home screen, immediately put the battery again.
6. After system recognize the battery, safely remove the charger from phone and put the battery cover in place.
Once you do these exercise, the phone will work as usual except power button features.
Only problem there is no way to wake up the phone at sleep mode except you put on charger or somebody calls you
Well..somehow I assigned Volume Up button for all Power button feature. If you need, I will also guide you for that. But for now, just see if you are able to boot the phone with above steps.
Cheers :good:
So I have an issue with a 2012 N7, warranty is long gone. I've tried all suggestions from billykxda's thread, but no luck thus far. I've also tried Google's official page on the topic as well.
I've left the device charging for many consecutive hours, both via AC power and USB, and I suspect my issue resides with the LCD screen. Also tried a hard battery pull. It's also important to note that I haven't undertaken any mods on the device at all, i.e. the bootloader is still locked and USB debugging is not enabled yet.
When I plug the device into my PC the Win7 driver notification bubble pops up, usually reporting either an Unknown Device or an "APX drivers not installed" message. I'm unable to get it to boot into Fastboot, Recovery, or Android OS. Plugging/unplugging the device via USB yields these driver messages over and over again, along with the Win7 sound notification, so the device isn't totally dead, but no amount of button combinations or 30-60+ second button holds are getting any response.
Has anyone else experienced these issues before? Do you think my device is totally dead?
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Has anyone else experienced these issues before?
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Yes; I am also experiencing similar issues. Unfortunately, I have not reached a solution. I just replaced a broken screen for a friend. Once I got the screen in, I tried turning it on but didn't see anything happen. I began to research and thought I had the dead battery issue that most people get when leaving it unplugged for an extended period of time. I plugged it in using the wall adapter for a few hours, used the power+volume buttons and still didn't get any response. Finally, I decided to charge it with my PC. The PC recognized something was plugged in, installed drivers, and now I have a Nexus 7 in my connected devices list. While connected to my PC, I hold power+volume down and hear the USB disconnect, reconnect, and have an unrecognizable device attached. This leads me to believe that the Nexus 7 is working properly and the screen is not working. I have taken the entire device apart to re-seat all connections 3 different times and still cannot get it to work. I hope someone can shed some light on our issues!
Edit: I forgot to mention, I also tested the battery with a digital multimeter. It reads approximately 3.79 volts DC. I thought it may be important to state this in case the issue is battery related. I'm not certain what the correct value should be for it to work properly.
I am currently trying to diagnose this problem. Yesterday, I hopped on Craigslist and bought a working Nexus 7 for 50$. I am currently taking it apart to rob parts from it and figure out where the problem is. So far I have tested the battery. The battery reads approximately 3.78 volts DC so I can probably rule this out as my problem.
Also, I noticed something strange yesterday. I took the broken Nexus with me when I went to meet up with the man selling the used/working Nexus. While I was outside in very bright sunlight, I pushed the power button on the broken Nexus. I noticed that I could actually see the screen doing something. It was all fuzzy and had lines running every where, but you could in fact see it doing something. I think the replacement screen I received is bad, but I won't know until I start swapping parts.
AvidPhisherman, for now maybe try taking your Nexus out in very bright sunlight and see if you can see the screen do anything when you press the power button. Also, I'm not trying to hijack the thread. It seems that we have very similar issues. I hope to find something that fixes both of our problems.
Success.... kinda. I tried combining the broken Nexus 7 motherboard with the working Nexus 7 screen but it wouldn't fit since one is the 3G model, and the other is the Wifi only model. Next, I put everything back together on the broken N7, but this time I used the LCD ribbon cable from the good N7. Success!!! It powered up, and I can see the screen. My problem now, is that the screen is mostly unresponsive and acts like you are touching it in random spots, when you're not touching it at all. I'm taking it apart to re-seat the connections... again.
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Success.... kinda. I tried combining the broken Nexus 7 motherboard with the working Nexus 7 screen but it wouldn't fit since one is the 3G model, and the other is the Wifi only model. Next, I put everything back together on the broken N7, but this time I used the LCD ribbon cable from the good N7. Success!!! It powered up, and I can see the screen. My problem now, is that the screen is mostly unresponsive and acts like you are touching it in random spots, when you're not touching it at all. I'm taking it apart to re-seat the connections... again.
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Hey redfox thanks for taking in interest in this! You're not hijacking the thread, your posts are very helpful. Good to know I'm not the only one experiencing these issues.
I'm just a hobbyist with an interest in fixing things, although I don't have much experience with DIY fixing. I didn't have a chance to try turning the screen on under direct sunlight, but yesterday I took both my non-working Nexus 7s (the first one I mentioned in my OP, the second one just has a bad/hollowed out USB port) in to a repair shop for a free diagnosis. I'm actually a business user, my company owns the tablets but I'm responsible for maintenance/tech troubleshooting.
Please keep me posted with updates as to how your progress is going. I'll post again once I get a report from the repair shop re: my issues.
Hi,
I have been having the same problem,
I bought my wife a used Nexus 7 and it worked just fine for almost a year then all of the sudden the screen would not function
there would be lines going through it but it remain dark.
thank you for researching the matter i will try to buy the part online and see if i can get it to work now!
if i understand it correctly there is no need for a new mother board but just a new LCD ribbon cable?
godnessy said:
Hi,
I have been having the same problem,
I bought my wife a used Nexus 7 and it worked just fine for almost a year then all of the sudden the screen would not function
there would be lines going through it but it remain dark.
thank you for researching the matter i will try to buy the part online and see if i can get it to work now!
if i understand it correctly there is no need for a new mother board but just a new LCD ribbon cable?
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I cannot guarantee that it will fix your screen, but it is possible. When I had this one out in the sun, it did the same thing. The screen was super dark, and I could see crazy lines. Hopefully a new ribbon/cable will fix your problem. They are only a few dollars on Amazon.com
godnessy said:
Hi,
I have been having the same problem,
I bought my wife a used Nexus 7 and it worked just fine for almost a year then all of the sudden the screen would not function
there would be lines going through it but it remain dark.
thank you for researching the matter i will try to buy the part online and see if i can get it to work now!
if i understand it correctly there is no need for a new mother board but just a new LCD ribbon cable?
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__redfox__ said:
I cannot guarantee that it will fix your screen, but it is possible. When I had this one out in the sun, it did the same thing. The screen was super dark, and I could see crazy lines. Hopefully a new ribbon/cable will fix your problem. They are only a few dollars on Amazon.com
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Hello fellow users! Quick update, I finally heard back from the repair shop.
Bad news - they tried swapping out the screen, then the battery, USB charging port, display cables, etc. etc. and nothing worked. Their diagnosis is that the tablet has a fried motherboard, and they're unable to repair and/or replace it
Good news - it cost me nothing to receive this diagnosis
Hopefully the outlook is not so grim for your respective N7s. Just wanted to post an update as to what I learned from this whole experience.
Hi guys, Reporting in.
Toke a while but i got the part AND found the stupid device!
After ALOT of fiddling, taking apart and putting back again i found out that the problem was the battery!
it looks like it was on its last leg and that caused all the strange screen stuff.
I dont have another battery to replace it so instead i hooked it up straight to a USB cable and into the socket and it works just fine
thanks for the tips and hopefully this helps someone else!
Hello,
I acquired an HTC one M9 to replace my dead M8 that I caused (funny story at the end). The headphone jack was wonky, and since I had disassembled and reassembled an iPhone 4S in the past I thought I could try my hand at this. The hardest part was getting the M8 out of its metal shell, and I think that's when I may have damaged something. I was able tot get it back together, but it will not power on.
I can plug it in to a charger and I see the screen come on showing that it charges and that there is a healthy power level to begin with. I can no longer find the plastic power button though, so I have to use a screwdriver tip or a spudger to press the sensor to turn it on. I've held it down for 30 seconds, 1 min, held it and the volume down button for the same amount of time, and tried the same with the volume up button, but no luck. I keep the shell off of it when I attempt to revive it, if that makes a difference (slightly easier to reach the power on button at the top). I can possibly put it back in the metal case and try to hold down all three buttons, but it's a ***** to get back out of the case.
I remember reading a few threads here or elsewhere regarding the ability to jump start a dead phone or android device, perhaps it was a Nexus 7. Is there anything like that in the development package or a standalone program where I can connect it via USB and jump start it that way? Or is it pretty much toast at this point? I see replacement power buttons and power button boards on eBay for under $20, but with my (lack of) skills I believe I'll just damage it more. What are your thought and what are my options?
(Funny story). I purchased my HTC One M8 from an eBay seller, yet when I got it, the power button was not on top but on the right. I'm thinking, "okay, didnt know I'll have to start looking for alternate M8 cases...". When I called Sprint to activate it and provided the information, they said it was actually an M9! So the reviews aren't as favorable towards the M9 as they are the M8, but I love it nonetheless. And of course if anything needs replaced I'm just going to take it to a brick-and-mortar shop to have them do it, save my spudgers for working on laptops.
Thank you for the help and advice!
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I can plug it in to a charger and I see the screen come on showing that it charges and that there is a healthy power level to begin with. I can no longer find the plastic power button though, so I have to use a screwdriver tip or a spudger to press the sensor to turn it on. I've held it down for 30 seconds, 1 min, held it and the volume down button for the same amount of time, and tried the same with the volume up button, but no luck. I keep the shell off of it when I attempt to revive it, if that makes a difference (slightly easier to reach the power on button at the top). I can possibly put it back in the metal case and try to hold down all three buttons, but it's a ***** to get back out of the case.
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Unbelievable i pretty much have the same problem since yesterday.
Ok i try to write this as short as possible.
My Headphone Jack was also broken so i bought a new USB/HJ/MIC part.
After putting it in i wasnt able to load my phone anymore with the new piece so i tried back the original one with the dead HJ and it worked again. So i let it inside, contacted the seller to send me a new one. Which is not here yet, but he doesnt want the first one he sent me back, which is quite fortunate.
However yesterday i dropped my phone on high grass - it was completely dead so i couldnt call it using another phone thus i wasnt able to find it for like 1hour, it was dark, and very cold(-2°C) and also wet and i think this is how i broke my M8. But im not sure yet. I used a flashlight and apparently found it after some help of a friendly lady.
When i was back home it didnt start. Not even when charging. Then i thought myself i will try the new part again with the "broken" USB Jack and pretty funny it somehow works. BUT: Charging it turns on the screen instantly, gets me into recovery (always did that, never startet directly into CM13 which is use) but after like 15seconds it just turns off and starts again, showing me the dead battery icon at first, then the recovery. Im not able to turn it on using the power button (didnt loose mine ) it just turns it off because it starts by itself when chagrer is plugged in. I dont know what to do now: i dont have enough time inside my recovery (CWM) to reset it or something and im not really sure if it is a software or hardware problem but i speculated its the battery which is broken now. (?) However when i put the charger in to make it start, then pull it is able to hold itself for the same duration as if i was charging, but only sometimes. This really confuses me.
I dont think i broke mine during the repetetive change of the part, but im not able to exclude it in my troubleshooting. I know i didnt help you at all probably i just wanted to share my very same problem because no one else responded and i might also get help.