So for years I've loved sliding keyboards. However, I've been driven away from them by the lack of decent phones. I long for the day of a high end qwerty slider again and it seems I may finally have my chance with Project Ara.
That being said, I'm wondering if I should try to get involved and be a part of the initial movement by partnering with others to make one. I'm also considering an attempt to travel out to the conference to find like minded people to make this vision a reality. I'm posting here to see if there are any others who might share this vision.
I don't have any experience in this specific field, but I am an electrical engineer and I am just about to complete my MBA with an entrepreneurial focus.
I just found this thread via a search engine, don't know who you are, and I have nothing to contribute except a mighty strong desire for you to succeed. Please, go forth on behalf of us forgotten keyboard lovers and bring back a little of the glory days!
I admit I am still skeptical of the ARA thing, but on the other hand it seems to be the only likely chance we have get a phone that is both good and has a physical slider keyboard.
I'm having trouble understanding how you expect a qwerty slider on ARA. I currently use a Droid 4 and enjoy the extra screen space and ease of use it allows. Are you suggesting that the keyboard could be part of a module? Would it be the whole length of the phone? Would it cover or extend across multiple modules? Or would it be more of a case-like accessory that could be easily removed for convenience or customization? I would just like to know what you had in mind.
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Idea on how to implament.
What about if it was a case for the back only, which has a module on the bottom of it. Kinda hard to explain so I'll just open up paint and show a ploopy rendition of it. I LOVE the idea and was thinking the same thing! Included picture explains a little better. I'd love to help and I am a electronic designer myself! I also do lots of Android code and such and would love to help implament this. PM me!
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What about if it was a case for the back only, which has a module on the bottom of it. Kinda hard to explain so I'll just open up paint and show a ploopy rendition of it. I LOVE the idea and was thinking the same thing! Included picture explains a little better. I'd love to help and I am a electronic designer myself! I also do lots of Android code and such and would love to help implament this. PM me!
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That is an option, but I guess it would have to be an "unofficial" (i.e. not in Google's module store) module if it covers other modules. Alternatively you could have connector between the module and the keyboard case, but then you'd need to attach the case to the phone in a different way.
Another downside of doing it that way is that it covers the camera. If it can be made to not cover the camera when the keyboard is retracted, I guess that would be quite OK.
Another option is to put it on the display module:
Code:
############################
# display # The keyboard and the display
#--------------------------# would be on the same module.
# keyboard #
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# endo #
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# display #
#################----------#################
# keyboard #
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# endo #
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To avoid the awkward edges on the left/right of the keyboard, the module could be made slightly thicker to drown them, if necessary (I don't think the edges would get into my way the way I hold my qwerty slider, but might be different for others - also, the keyboard module might already be thick enough to drown them enough without added articifial thickness).
Note that the MDK allows endos to have a single front module (type G, section 2.2.2 in the MDK PDF), so there may not be a second module "in the way" (but if there is, again I don't see it is a huge issue, could be mitigated with thickness if needed).
The downside of doing it this way is that it has to be integrated with a display, otherwise this seems better than other options I've seen imho.
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That is an option, but I guess it would have to be an "unofficial" (i.e. not in Google's module store) module if it covers other modules. Alternatively you could have connector between the module and the keyboard case, but then you'd need to attach the case to the phone in a different way.
Another downside of doing it that way is that it covers the camera. If it can be made to not cover the camera when the keyboard is retracted, I guess that would be quite OK.
Another option is to put it on the display module:
Code:
############################
# display # The keyboard and the display
#--------------------------# would be on the same module.
# keyboard #
############################
# endo #
############################
############################
# display #
#################----------#################
# keyboard #
############################
# endo #
############################
To avoid the awkward edges on the left/right of the keyboard, the module could be made slightly thicker to drown them, if necessary (I don't think the edges would get into my way the way I hold my qwerty slider, but might be different for others - also, the keyboard module might already be thick enough to drown them enough without added articifial thickness).
Note that the MDK allows endos to have a single front module (type G, section 2.2.2 in the MDK PDF), so there may not be a second module "in the way" (but if there is, again I don't see it is a huge issue, could be mitigated with thickness if needed).
The downside of doing it this way is that it has to be integrated with a display, otherwise this seems better than other options I've seen imho.
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Yeah no, I hear you. This was pre MDK and a lack of thought that lead me to suggest that. Another issue is that the MDK states that a module can only go above the endo if and only if it is on the top or bottom; no side expansion. I'm sure there's a way to design it so that it doesn't conflict with the camera but *shrug*. I like your ideas and you seem to know what to do
Ok so i was thinking. Since the concept I've seen to far has to do with the modules going on the back why not build it like and extension then build another module board on the back of the keyboard making it a bit bulkier but allowing for the keyboard.
The only possible way Ara is going to allow this is your standard "BlackBerry" type of keyboard. No Desire Z. No G1.
Personally I don't mind or care. As long as I get a keyboard on my Android, Im happy.
riahc3 said:
The only possible way Ara is going to allow this is your standard "BlackBerry" type of keyboard. No Desire Z. No G1.
Personally I don't mind or care. As long as I get a keyboard on my Android, Im happy.
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Why not a case with a built in desire z style keyboard? Hell it could be Bluetooth. And need no hard connection to the device
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Why not a case with a built in desire z style keyboard? Hell it could be Bluetooth. And need no hard connection to the device
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Bluetooth keyboards completely suck.
riahc3 said:
The only possible way Ara is going to allow this is your standard "BlackBerry" type of keyboard. No Desire Z. No G1.
Personally I don't mind or care. As long as I get a keyboard on my Android, Im happy.
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Why wouldn't a slider module be allowed? I mean, I understand that that may be the case, but I wouldn't say it is certain yet.
Looking at the MDK v0.10 specification PDF:
3.1.4 - Envelope Violation Limitations - A slider in the front module could be interpreted as violating the envelope as the display will fall partially outside of the standard envelope in X direction (which is a violation as per Table 3.10) when extended. However, I'm not convinced this is intended to prevent modules that still fall within the valid dimensions in resting position (sure, it might be, but it is not 100% clear to me). Note that the maximum length in Z direction is 2.5 cm, so one should be able to fit a keyboard+slider+screen in this space.
3.1.2 - Front Module Sub-assemblies - Rear modules are limited to having a Base, PCB, Safety Shield, and a Shell (3.1.1.1). However, front modules only require a Base and a PCB, and other sub-assemblies are module-specific, so this would not affect a keyboard+slider+screen module AFAICS.
Am I missing something else? (I admit I haven't read the MDK document cover-to-cover)
dsfdfsdfs said:
Why wouldn't a slider module be allowed? I mean, I understand that that may be the case, but I wouldn't say it is certain yet.
Looking at the MDK v0.10 specification PDF:
3.1.4 - Envelope Violation Limitations - A slider in the front module could be interpreted as violating the envelope as the display will fall partially outside of the standard envelope in X direction (which is a violation as per Table 3.10) when extended. However, I'm not convinced this is intended to prevent modules that still fall within the valid dimensions in resting position (sure, it might be, but it is not 100% clear to me). Note that the maximum length in Z direction is 2.5 cm, so one should be able to fit a keyboard+slider+screen in this space.
3.1.2 - Front Module Sub-assemblies - Rear modules are limited to having a Base, PCB, Safety Shield, and a Shell (3.1.1.1). However, front modules only require a Base and a PCB, and other sub-assemblies are module-specific, so this would not affect a keyboard+slider+screen module AFAICS.
Am I missing something else? (I admit I haven't read the MDK document cover-to-cover)
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Physically I don't see it possible using snap-on modules.
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Physically I don't see it possible using snap-on modules.
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OK, maybe I wasn't clear enough with my earlier post
Here's what I had in my mind in quickly-done image form:
Can you clarify what is impossible with doing it like that?
dsfdfsdfs said:
OK, maybe I wasn't clear enough with my earlier post
Here's what I had in my mind in quickly-done image form:
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That makes sense however it's going to be a little bulky and Ara as-is now it's already pretty thick.
I do remember seeing a bb style display+keyboard module among the official concepts
Laser keyboard?
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Laser keyboard?
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Nah the projector is also big and it will drain the battery incredibly fast
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That makes sense however it's going to be a little bulky and Ara as-is now it's already pretty thick.
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Right. However, standard Ara module thickness is 4mm and the endo thickness looks like about 1mm, making thickness 9mm total. My Photon Q is 13.7mm, so there is quite a lot of margin to make the module thicker (if needed) without making the phone more bulky than current QWERTY sliders (and I have currently no problem with their thickness).
(the pictured module was 8mm in thickness)
I pray that there is a sliding keyboard b/c I will not buy a phone without one (or removable storage, battery, unlocked bootloader mind you (hence still on D1))
I assume it would mount up under the display and then have the display mount in it as that would be the most accessible option as to prevent it from blocking access to modules.
One thing I can say right away is please if your going to make one have the keyboard work like the d1 for symbols! the d1 was able to make all symbols without needing the screen but the later models force you to use stupid screen selection for <> for example. All symbols should be possible via an alt key. there should never be a need to touch the screen EVER when using a physical keyboard no matter what symbol you want as long as said symbol exists on a normal full size keyboard.
dsfdfsdfs said:
OK, maybe I wasn't clear enough with my earlier post
Here's what I had in my mind in quickly-done image form:
Can you clarify what is impossible with doing it like that?
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Where would the rest of the modules go on your design?
BTW, Im not really sure about the rest of you caring about how bulky/thick the phone is. I could give a flying **** how thick it is as long as it has functionality (QWERTY keyboard)
dsfdfsdfs said:
Why wouldn't a slider module be allowed? I mean, I understand that that may be the case, but I wouldn't say it is certain yet.
Looking at the MDK v0.10 specification PDF:
3.1.4 - Envelope Violation Limitations - A slider in the front module could be interpreted as violating the envelope as the display will fall partially outside of the standard envelope in X direction (which is a violation as per Table 3.10) when extended. However, I'm not convinced this is intended to prevent modules that still fall within the valid dimensions in resting position (sure, it might be, but it is not 100% clear to me). Note that the maximum length in Z direction is 2.5 cm, so one should be able to fit a keyboard+slider+screen in this space.
3.1.2 - Front Module Sub-assemblies - Rear modules are limited to having a Base, PCB, Safety Shield, and a Shell (3.1.1.1). However, front modules only require a Base and a PCB, and other sub-assemblies are module-specific, so this would not affect a keyboard+slider+screen module AFAICS.
Am I missing something else? (I admit I haven't read the MDK document cover-to-cover)
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That would make sense. But if it were on the back panel it wouldn't be allowed. They only allow a certain headroom for modules protruding from the base on the back panel, therefore you're right - we would have to use front panel (as stated by original idea) and it'd most likely work just fine.
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riahc3 said:
Where would the rest of the modules go on your design?
BTW, Im not really sure about the rest of you caring about how bulky/thick the phone is. I could give a flying **** how thick it is as long as it has functionality (QWERTY keyboard)
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This is the screen module. This would connect with the base which could also have the modules on the back. It'd be the only way possible.
I don't care about thickness either
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Hey guys, I was thinking. Sense we're at it making a front display. I say that we could get together a group of guys who know how to make MDK modules and we create different screens (different front facing speakers/camera, just make it customizable!) and perhaps kickstart it or invest in it ourselves...
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hi all...1st post i believe....
i am interested in this device with some hesitations as with most upscale pda-phones, one cannot go down to the store and play with one so until one can do that , he just makes templates and pretends!
well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode, so it is in essence always with you and there is no need to remember where you may have put it when using in the tablet mode.
2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
thanks in advance
djsell
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hi all...1st post i believe....
i am interested in this device with some hesitations as with most upscale pda-phones, one cannot go down to the store and play with one so until one can do that , he just makes templates and pretends!
well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode, so it is in essence always with you and there is no need to remember where you may have put it when using in the tablet mode.
2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
thanks in advance
djsell
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On mine, the x7500/Advantage, the keyboard does magnetically attach but it's very weak and slides all over the place. I just keep my device in the case because I've learned that if the case is not protecting the device, the device gets scratched up. Since I keep it in the case, when I do use it in "tablet mode" I just bend the keyboard part of the case behind the main unit and all is well. Hope this answers your question #1. An alternative is to utilize a full screen keyboard and eliminate the use of the hardware keyboard alltogether.
I don't really use the joystick much. I use a combination of Microsoft Voice Command and when I need to browse I use the stylus.
Hope this helps bro.
I use my Dopod u1000 directly in my ocket without any protection case.
Belive me , I was owner of jasjar and HTC Advantage is the only one device so far ...
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one cannot go down to the store and play with one
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I don't know where you are based but my local T-mobile store (in London) was happy for me to play with an Ameo for quite a while (presumably because they get a hefty commission). That may apply elsewhere.
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well, i did previously have the i-mate jasjar and loved it, and especially the form factor, which still has me thinking if an htc omni is waiting around the corner...giving time to sell a bunch of advantages first, before the launch, but i digress.
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I too came from a Universal and think the Ameo's great (even more so now I have Salling Clicker!). The Omni keeps on coming and going. Without wishing to be profane - there are other options if you want to keep the Uni format (Imate Ultimate 7150, Toshiba G900 etc)
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the actual question is whether the keyboard attaches magnetically to the back of the device when using it in tablet mode.
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No. I tend to leave the keyboard at home or in the case.
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2nd question for you users is if the joystick is appropriately functional to use one handed...at least until the device weighs you down.
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It is perfectly positioned for your left thumb in landscape or portrait mode. And the Ameo is not that heavy!
thanks for the responses, they are quite helpful!
responses to some responses:
i am in ann arbor , michigan, USA and t-mobile does not have it available here for "playing"......yet?!?!
i guess the answer to the kb attaching to the back of the device when using in tablet mode is that it does but slides off?, meaning it was not meant to attach or it is faulty, bc from what i see/hear about the magnet it is supposed to be quite strong.
i hesitate to wait for the i-mate ultimate bc in photos it appears "cheap" looking and have found the htc devices are of good, sound durable make, and i have had cheaper devices that are lighter but i believe the sacrifice of durability and incr weight is worth it, ie., the jasjar.
i did not know the G900 was a convertible pda-phone....i will check on it and google "salling clicker", as i have not heard of that either!
for me using the virtual kb defeats the purpose of the form factor as i love to have the device sitting on my bedside table in laptop or reverse laptop mode for viewing and the keyboard acts as the stand/cradle...i guess the advantage could NOT be used in reverse laptop mode as i think of it?!
also, for me the idea of protecting the large screen with the keyboard is a must at all times when stored away.
thanks all, the responses are making me lean toward trading up my o2 xda trion for the advantage.
i wonder if i can sneak it past my wife without her knowing!!
djsell
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thanks for the responses, they are quite helpful!
i guess the answer to the kb attaching to the back of the device when using in tablet mode is that it does but slides off?, meaning it was not meant to attach or it is faulty, bc from what i see/hear about the magnet it is supposed to be quite strong.
i hesitate to wait for the i-mate ultimate bc in photos it appears "cheap" looking and have found the htc devices are of good, sound durable make, and i have had cheaper devices that are lighter but i believe the sacrifice of durability and incr weight is worth it, ie., the jasjar.
i did not know the G900 was a convertible pda-phone....i will check on it and google "salling clicker", as i have not heard of that either!
for me using the virtual kb defeats the purpose of the form factor as i love to have the device sitting on my bedside table in laptop or reverse laptop mode for viewing and the keyboard acts as the stand/cradle...i guess the advantage could NOT be used in reverse laptop mode as i think of it?!
also, for me the idea of protecting the large screen with the keyboard is a must at all times when stored away.
thanks all, the responses are making me lean toward trading up my o2 xda trion for the advantage.
i wonder if i can sneak it past my wife without her knowing!!
djsell
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OK - responses to some of the responses to some of the responses!
Shame there's no unit to play with. I've never understood why it is that some companies expect customers to part with large amounts of money on things like this without being able to try them first. Good luck on that.
The magnet is strong - but only on the front. I have never heard that it was supposed to be usable on the rear. That suprises me a little as suerly that would require some extra shielding??
I agree re HTC phones. I am, however, just about to send my third Universal back to be repaired.
The problem with the trion is that it didn't really add anything over the Uni.
As to protecting the screen - a good screen protector is obviously a must. I have also fitted a body shield.
Good luck
BTW - regarding sneaking it past your wife - you'll be lucky.....
apd,
thanks for the responses to the responses to.........well you know where i'm going!
i'm still caught in that "love the small compact size, but love that large vga screen even better", dilemma...until a fold out screen is reality i have to choose one over the other.
i am a doctor and like to have my device in my pocket all the time to use as my pda-medical software/internet device, camera for lesions, email, etc that is work related, but also use it for mp3 player for the commute home, gps and of course phone. i had the jasjar for about a year but the camera is abysmal and so i had a separate canon camera in the other pocket and it did weigh me down and got hot and uncomfortable in my pockets with 2 devices so i would end up leaving the jasjar on my desk and not using it for work at all!
the trions macro mode camera is quite good for up close photos for documentation and small enough to be comfortable in my pocket, but now i find i need more memory as the micro sd is full at 2 gb w/ music, photos and medical programs and photos, and i do miss the jasjars vga screen and form factor, sooooooooooooooooo, alas the advantage, it would solve the camera, space and screen problems and without the keyboard attached it might be small enough to be in the front pant pocket, but i have to try to see for certain.
i'll probably see if the omni surfaces before getting an advantage, unless i can get a good return policy to trial the advantage.
btw, i almost convinced my wife that my fujitsu 1510 was the same device as my fujitsu T4020 tablet until she heard me calling them different names!!!, i just slipped up!!
have a guiness on me!
djsell
The BBC have just put a video up on the Tech section of the news website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6711785.stm where they look at a Sony Ericsson G-sensor and also demonstrate the Advantage/Athena. I thought they would also mention the g-sensor on that, but they appear to only be interested in the deficiencies in the magnetic attraction between the keyboard and screen. Is it as bad as is shown? I guess the whole idea isn't to walk around and hold the unit by the keyboard though.
Andrew
The keyboard does not stock to the back is the unit. It would only to the front.
However, if you are like me in having discovered a far far better way of entering data, you would see the hardware keyboard as redundant and in fact much inferior method of input. I don't use the supplied keyboard even at home, let alone carry it with me.
I use TenGo software keyboard. It works in both QVGA and VGA mode, it is clever, there is virtually no learning curve, and typing is FAST with this magic.
Has anyone found a decent keyboard/case combination within the Uk? I'd like something that has the keyboard built into a leather style flip case. I had one (bluetooth leather flip case) for my iPad which was superb but the Iconia is a little too long for it
There are some on Amazon & Ebay, but people have reported in here that you need a USB hub to get the keyboard to work, which for me makes it useless. I don't want to have to lug around even more stuff!
The case also isn't a perfect fit.
Hi,
No personal experience but you might like the keyboard/case combination on eBay (search for object ID 160610349685 - Sorry I am not allowed to post hyperlinks yet)
The link refers to the Dutch eBay but I'll bet you can find the same device on the UK site of eBay.
HTH
Greetz,
S.J.Onnie
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hi - i have ordered one so will let you know my thoughts once it arrives - not expecting to much but again it may okay for light use in the office and i will use my other case for normal wear and tear protection.
I own that case or something amazing close to it. The reports of needing a USB hub to get the keyboard to work are accurate. I ending up buying a L shaped 4 port hub, it sticks out of the case but allows me to have a mouse and a usb stick plugged in at the same time.
My hope is that once 3.1 drops I can loose the hub, but I am not holding out to much hope.
S.J.Onnie said:
Hi,
No personal experience but you might like the keyboard/case combination on eBay (search for object ID 160610349685 - Sorry I am not allowed to post hyperlinks yet)
The link refers to the Dutch eBay but I'll bet you can find the same device on the UK site of eBay.
HTH
Greetz,
S.J.Onnie
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I believe you mean this one - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160612016080
does anyone actually own this one and can they report if it actually works, functionality, etc.
Thank you!
i own one of this, i like the case a lot, it looks stylish and it's very good for note taking, i also use a bluetooth mouse for easy access, the keyboard is made for windows (it has windows key) and havent found a way to bind the back action with any key, most keys works as intended, even the menu key (next to alt gr), but it seems tha honeycomb is not made to be used with just keyboard, you need to use the touch screen or a mouse. the case weigth a little bit less as tablet, has 3 magnets (one for close, one to secure the back support, and other to hold the latch while you use it), overall i think its a great case for the tablet, would like a more "honeycomb" oriented keyboard like the acer official, but for most things this just works.
I use it with dexter's P1 Rom, cause i coudn't make it work with any other rom, no even P2, virtous or stock 3.01.
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wrocha said:
i own one of this, i like the case a lot, it looks stylish and it's very good for note taking, i also use a bluetooth mouse for easy access, the keyboard is made for windows (it has windows key) and havent found a way to bind the back action with any key, most keys works as intended, even the menu key (next to alt gr), but it seems tha honeycomb is not made to be used with just keyboard, you need to use the touch screen or a mouse. the case weigth a little bit less as tablet, has 3 magnets (one for close, one to secure the back support, and other to hold the latch while you use it), overall i think its a great case for the tablet, would like a more "honeycomb" oriented keyboard like the acer official, but for most things this just works.
I use it with dexter's P1 Rom, cause i coudn't make it work with any other rom, no even P2, virtous or stock 3.01.
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Thanks. I might try this one out. For $19 it is an inexpensive risk I think.
this is cheap as I am finding keyboards for $69.00. why so cheap that always makes me flinch like it is not to be believed.
what do you think...
just looks to dog gone cheap!
the only bad thing i see here, is that there is no protection for the screen, when you close the case, the screen is in contact with the keyboard. But the idea is good, transform the tab into something near the transformer from asus for 10 time cheaper ^^
can someone test it please
I have one on order. Should arrive this week sometime hopefully. Will report back on how it works with my Acer tablet
I've ordered one of these as well should do the job short term. Worth the money compared to what some of the other cases are charging. Now that 3.1 has been released hopefully we'll see a lot more bluetooth/keyboard case combinations for this tablet as it seems it 'wasn't completely compatible' with certain hardware prior to this update. Needless to say it worked fine with my wife's ipad 2 bluetooth case just unfortunate that i couldn't jam my iconia into one of them! I think if there's not a bluetooth keyboard/folio case combo available soon I'm going to buy a bunch of the bluetooth keyboards a bunch of the leather folio cases for the iconia and a big tube of superglue and start my own case company!!
well the keyboard case i orderd arrived this morning, so it was a quick flash back out of the Galaxy ROM so i can plug the usb in. Using it to type this up.
sorry no photos but those in the advert are about correct, the only one missing is the kick stand.
The Case Quality is adequate, but considering what it costs then i can not expet too much. Stiching is okay and reasonably tidy, get the feeling it will fray though if rubbed a bit hard. USB cable is more than adequate. There are no cutouts for Camera, speakers etc but then i dont need that when i am using it as an office tool.
Drain on the battery for the USB power is noticeable but then i suspect that is the same for most plugins. Not too much of the plastic smell so that was okay.
The case closure is held in place with a small magnet, just about strong enough for the job. The kick stand is also held flat to the case when not in use by a magnet which is a nice touch. The angle of the screen with the stand is fine for me
The keys themselves give just enough play, Typing is for me okay as i dont have the largest hands in the world but if you are wide fingered then it may a little tight.
the right hand Shift and Enter keys a little to close for me, i keep hitting the Enter key by mistake. Obviously the function keys etc have no purpose.
The real problem lies in the fitting of the Acer into the case - the lugs that are supposed to hold it are about 3-5mm too large so the acer is very loose. it wont fall out forward or to the sides but as there is no lug on the top, turn the case around without the clasp closed and it will definitely be on the floor. i am sure i can find a remedy for this that would allow me use the case with a greater feeling of security.
on the whole a useable case if the security can be sorted for those needing to spend some time at the keyboard, but probably not your long term day in - day out case. Mine will probably end up on my desk and i will slip the acer in when i wnat to use it and back to something else for mormal use.
Hope that helps
ps. typed this in a notes program as i find the browser is very laggy when trying totype directly in to it.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160610349685&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
GREAT FEEDBACK - thank you. I have the same one coming - should arrive next week.
For $19 - your review is very encouraging.
To use it for any normal activity you Need to figure out a way of not letting it slip out of the top. Some of the material you use on the dashboard of the car to stop your phone etc slipping might well do the trick . Probably easier and cleaner than some other methods I might try. But if it is a slip in and type , slip it out and walk away use, then it meets that criteria faily well.
Let me know your thoughts when you get it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1175316 is the thread for the one I received.
I've just ordered one off amazon. Will post pics when I get it
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I've just ordered one off amazon. Will post pics when I get it
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I think you will be really happy. I have been using mine constantly since it arrived. Makes using the tablet much easier and far quicker when typing. Really adds a lot to the overall unit as a whole.
Just received mine in the post. So far looks very nice but need to wait until I can get home so I can test it with my Iconia! Will post pics and thoughts later and a link to the product.
Currently i am planning on getting the Nexus4,
And also i have plans to design my own protective case for it and have it be printed in 3D.
Though to design a case that doesnt only look good but also fits tightly on to the body of the phone i'm gonna need to have a reference model.
With a reference model i can create a case that fits snug around the phone and doesnt have it slide around, but also doesnt scrape/damage the phone.
Does anyone know how i could obtain a accurate virtual representation of the phone?
Here are some examples of 3d printed cases made for the (much easier to reverse engineer) iphone4:
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_708555_599851_1349823649.jpg
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_729922_621124_1351092787.jpg
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_383278_146878_1338413388.jpg
And heres a link from a shapeways page:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/3619...-swirl-puzzle-style.html?li=productBox-search
I'm interested in this too so I can create a DIY carbon fiber cut-out.
carbon fiber cut-out
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I dont know why people insist on carbon fiber accessories when the material dampers wireless (wifi, BT, antenna) performance
Well ****. This sounds like an awesome idea. Hope you're able to get an accurate model of the device (and share). I'd like to do something like this as well. Maybe a cool case with "bolts" printed into it to make it look like it was pieced together and NEXUS cut out in the back
I haven't even been able to find an official press render of the thing over 500x500 or so in size so I can start working on a .psd for the device. Good luck finding a 3D reference lol
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Good luck with this! It looks cool but I doubt you will find anything this early before it's even released. Your best bet might be to just wait for it to be released and then get someone to make it for you or do it yourself.
good to see positive reactions about it, if i cannot get a reference model i might just have to "reverse engineer" the entire thing.
Though this would be quite the complex process, mostly because it's a highly reflective object.
Most 3dscanners are based on laserlight that bounces away if the object is shiney. Though i dont feel like spraypainting/powdercoating a brand new phone to make it non-reflective
Another way would be to use a tactile scanner that uses a 3 axis "stylus" to put points down in 3d space.
Though the point of such a device is always razor sharp, i dont know how it will fair against gorilla glass and the plastic on the side.
Also this method is very succeptible to having the model slide around while trying to digitise it, even if it's just fractions of mm's
ah well, ill first have to get my hands on to the phone....
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good to see positive reactions about it, if i cannot get a reference model i might just have to "reverse engineer" the entire thing.
Though this would be quite the complex process, mostly because it's a highly reflective object.
Most 3dscanners are based on laserlight that bounces away if the object is shiney. Though i dont feel like spraypainting/powdercoating a brand new phone to make it non-reflective
Another way would be to use a tactile scanner that uses a 3 axis "stylus" to put points down in 3d space.
Though the point of such a device is always razor sharp, i dont know how it will fair against gorilla glass and the plastic on the side.
Also this method is very succeptible to having the model slide around while trying to digitise it, even if it's just fractions of mm's
ah well, ill first have to get my hands on to the phone....
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I'd suggest checking with a T-Mobile store and seeing if they have any plastic dummy phones or check eBay. Spray painting that would be much less harmful haha I'm definitely in this project. I'd like a cool custom case
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Any updates on this? A quick google search popped up a few models on a site called turbosquid, but the price is fairly prohibitive.
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/lg-google-nexus-4-3ds/707234
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-hd-lg-nexus-4-model/706053
Was looking at possibly designing a case and/or dock myself. Any luck with finding a 3d model of the Nexus 4?
We could always try different sizes and see if they fit on the phone. Considering high prices of 3d prints, the best idea would be to just print some little parts and then compare with the actual phone. The cheapest dummy I found is http://www.trait-tech.com/product/T-LG-E960__dummy-phone-model-for-lg-e960-nexus-4.html so you don't have to worry that you'll scratch your phone. If anyone here owned a 3d printer, that'd be great.
Edit: found one 3d case - http://m.videobash.com/picture/view/id/95415
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=508b9662e69e85ff5250d066f73ee4b9
Edit 2: you might like it - http://grabcad.com/library/nexus-4-case
Did you get anywhere with the nexus 4 case?
I'm trying to get someone to design one to cover my note 2 battery in my phone lol.
The back of my phone is covered in electrical tape at the moment. Not a good look lol!
MissStabby said:
Currently i am planning on getting the Nexus4,
And also i have plans to design my own protective case for it and have it be printed in 3D.
Though to design a case that doesnt only look good but also fits tightly on to the body of the phone i'm gonna need to have a reference model.
With a reference model i can create a case that fits snug around the phone and doesnt have it slide around, but also doesnt scrape/damage the phone.
Does anyone know how i could obtain a accurate virtual representation of the phone?
Here are some examples of 3d printed cases made for the (much easier to reverse engineer) iphone4:
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_708555_599851_1349823649.jpg
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_729922_621124_1351092787.jpg
http://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_383278_146878_1338413388.jpg
And heres a link from a shapeways page:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/3619...-swirl-puzzle-style.html?li=productBox-search
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3d models of the nexus 4
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?tags=nexus+4
http://grabcad.com/library/nexus-4
http://3docean.net/item/google-nexus-4/4487363
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thaaaanks! :good:
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thaaaanks! :good:
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Can you help me out? I need a case, any case lol that's a little bigger at the back to accommodate my note 2 battery!
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ill have to check, also i'm still looking into the models to see if they are actually based on cad and measurements instead of just visual reference.
For a holder/case/expansioncase the model needs to be accurate to fractions of millimeters.
At the request of a member on the Oppo Forums I am going to share my video review of the Oppo Easy Cover Case Review. I got one of these free with the first batch of Find 5 orders and it is a decent case and choice for your new Find 5. It is a cover case with kickstand functionality and decent build quality. Let me know what you think and if you will buy one.
http://youtu.be/ugdVf4UPvBI
nice review man !
To bad they are not being sold anymore...
Thanks for the awesome vid! I have one request, hoping that you can fulfill. Can you throw on Nova Launcher and make a video of it? I want to see what it looks like on this phone as i am on the fence for purchasing it. Thanks!!
Very nice video,again.
Is that the same as this one ?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...for-oppo-x909-find-5-holsteins/756741774.html
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Is that the same as this one ?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...for-oppo-x909-find-5-holsteins/756741774.html
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At the beginn7ng I liked it very much, but I got annoyed very fast because the leather is not very hany when u use the phone, it just doesnt fit very properly in your hand....also the plastic cover broke on two sides without dropping it, so I would not recommend that case....I got meifeng sandcase now and I am satisfied with that one...
"Thanks for the awesome vid! I have one request, hoping that you can fulfill. Can you throw on Nova Launcher and make a video of it? I want to see what it looks like on this phone as i am on the fence for purchasing it. Thanks!!"
I have made a full review of the Oppo Find 5 Please view for I demo Nova Launcher on it.
http://youtu.be/xHtZ-uToFr0
This cover is back in stock on oppostyle, I find it a bit to expensive. ( including delivery costs)
Does anyone know if the flip-open-to-wake function also works with non-stock ROMS? In other words: is it a hardware- or software feature?
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Does anyone know if the flip-open-to-wake function also works with non-stock ROMS? In other words: is it a hardware- or software feature?
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Good question. I'm wondering where the magnetic sensor is. (If it's using the proximity sensor, this "feature" is going to eat a bit of battery...)
The Nexus 7 mag sensor did not require any modifications (although maybe there's an overlay setting somewhere...) - if this is prox-sensor based, it'll be much less likely to be integrated in CM (since something like that would be a battery hog...)
Edit: grouper has a lidControlsSleep category. If I can confirm this is done by magnetic sensor I'll flip that on in CM10.1
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Good question. I'm wondering where the magnetic sensor is. (If it's using the proximity sensor, this "feature" is going to eat a bit of battery...)
The Nexus 7 mag sensor did not require any modifications (although maybe there's an overlay setting somewhere...) - if this is prox-sensor based, it'll be much less likely to be integrated in CM (since something like that would be a battery hog...)
Edit: grouper has a lidControlsSleep category. If I can confirm this is done by magnetic sensor I'll flip that on in CM10.1
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I just did a quick test with a small magnet. The sensor seems to be located between the front-facing camera and the front-speaker. It switched the screen on, and I'm on the latest CM 10.1 build which you're working on.
So no need for extra stuf, works OOTB Now to find an affordable case with a magnet in it.
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I just did a quick test with a small magnet. The sensor seems to be located between the front-facing camera and the front-speaker. It switched the screen on, and I'm on the latest CM 10.1 build which you're working on.
So no need for extra stuf, works OOTB Now to find an affordable case with a magnet in it.
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Odd, I thought that feature was disabled by default. Also, the magnet I have didn't trigger it, however, it is a ****ty fridge magnet, so I need to find a better one and re-test.
I think that the current solution to the module layout is inefficient.
The area of the partition (marked in yellow) itself equals to at least another small module, IMO, a phone can't have so much 'dead' space and the more features a phone has the better. The partition area and the magnets also add weight to the device which could otherwise be used for more features.
Secondly, instead of 'wasting time' on fancy new features that we've never seen before, they should focus on getting the phone and modules to work together and release it for consumers for now and then later focus on these bleeding edge tech.
Thirdly, if water will spill on the back they could potentially sip through the cracks and get to the connection causing a short circuit and oxidation.
Lastly, the more expensive parts and the time to assemble them means the consumers would have to pay more. The whole point of this project is to make smartphones more accessible by making this significantly cheaper than current smartphones.
I think a back cover with clips or some mechanical locking mechanism to hold all the modules would be a much better solution. It will probably make switching modules a bit more complicated but it shouldn't be harder than changing the battery on a current smartphone (like in the Galaxy S line), in Ara's case it would be like changing several batteries.
TL;DR: I think a back cover to hold all the modules in place would be a much better solution because of the 'dead space' of the partition, weight, water protection and cost.
I think that the modules would also make the phone quite annoying to hold with the current design - the modules themselves seem smooth, but the partitions between them appear to stick out slightly more than the modules themselves, resulting in a bumpy surface. If I do buy an ara phone, I will definitely buy/create a case for it if they keep the current design, purely due to the annoyances created by the lumps and bumps.
I agree
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I agree also. They probably have thought about it also.
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The frame does not stick out from the modules from what I saw till now.
I guess there will be back covers that comfort your hold.
I think they decided to use this method mostly because it is different and people will recognise you when you use it. Despite of that, it is significantly smaller than Xperia Z for instance and you should be able to hold it comfortably.
And I like the design, even more that you can print your own covers...
What I question is, how big the battery modules will be....
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Why not 3rd party TPU bumper cases?
That should do the trick, it will hold everything together + protection
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Just as I said.
But the point about water and safety is true... Maybe there will be done kind of "rubbers", ultra thin that tighten the gap between where the shell touches the endo? I guess things like that will spread if the ara becomes a hit
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I agree with the back cover idea but at the same time I do like the look of the design that they've done with it. As for the liquid damage worries, like keenofhiphop said about the rubber, the modules themselves will probably be sealed units with the only opening being the connectors which might make them somewhat waterproof hopefully
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They are definitely not waterproof. You could see at the first Dev con that is just a metal kind of box with a plastic shell, it's like a lunchbox made from aluminum: tight but not waterproof.
I, too, like the design. It's special and while it is the definition of pragmatical, it as well is unique and the fact that you can individually change it by printing shells tops off every other device around here. You don't like the design? Buy a cover...
I heard someone complain about the Epms and why they would not use any mechanics, but that way there will not be trouble with breaking connectors and warranty due to physical activity.
And they do not take up much space and hold tight.
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I think they did not considered the back cover as the primary idea here is freedom of changing the modules quickly and adding new features, like say your battery is dyeing so you replace it quickly with another battery module while on the other hand the back case will make it a little difficult and will cost a little bit of time.
keenofhiphop said:
They are definitely not waterproof. You could see at the first Dev con that is just a metal kind of box with a plastic shell, it's like a lunchbox made from aluminum: tight but not waterproof.
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They are not waterproof - yet. The pre-alpha modules are not ready for prime time. Judging them right now is a little silly. Who knows what will come in the months to follow.
Covers are a good idea indeed, but you never know when Ara might be partition less and actully support the idea of orignal Phonebloks? using Lego like stuff as modules and there base would go in the holes on the main body
I love the design of the phone for the same reason I have a clear window on my PC. If I help build something or if I play a part in putting it together or whatever the case may be, it makes that experience much more personal and I have a lot more pride in the device. If I'm proud of something, then I'm gonna show it off, its as simple as that. So I like the "raw" look of the phone and it's semi-exposed modules.
Yeah. Why not use transparent modules to show of the processor or so
Per Regenbogen von meinem Moto G geKANGt.
I think your supposed to be able to hotswap modules. I don't mind the current design, but it should have some kind of border that goes on the edge of the phone to secure the modules better.
Hotswap or not, they look like they could slide out with very little force. Dropping your phone and having to pick up the dozen pieces doesnt sound that fun. I dont think you should be able to remove your memory module without turning the device off and as such a shell somewhat like a galaxy or whatever would be ideal
The poibt of the EPMs is that they need quite a bit of force to take off, once locked they even demonstrated that...
the critics
Hello everyone,
from what I've read here i can see that some are still thinking the old way about a smartphone.
It should have every new feature and therefore a waste of space for borders is a waste of possibilities. Wrong!
Will you use your camera, high end GPU, LTE, flashlight, fingerprint sensor, WiFi, NFC, audio jack, HDMI port, USB port, speaker's and what ever else your phone has all at the same time? Or will you take pictures and share them over the internet, another time play a game on it and so on.
The medium sized model has 8 slots at the back, i guess WiFi and NFC can go in one, or even together with mobile and LTE. Another is CPU, GPU, camera, battery and sensors like gyroscope. Still at least one left. Maybe for another camera for 3D movies. Or a second battery so you can use it for several days.
If you don't need one, swap it with another one. They are not big, keep them in your purse or so.
Another thing was of they fall off easily. No!
They use electronic magnets to keep them in. When turned off they are very weak but strong enough to hold them in when you move and turn your phone, but nearly unremovable when turned on. A modified version of Lollipop will enable you to change most of the modules while the system is running. A weak CPU and battery are included in the Endo, so nothing will happen. You can guess you will have some kind of menu where you can choose which module you want to remove so the magnets turn off.
Why no backcover or pins to hold the modules?
Because they can wear off or even break. If you want to change modules often, like you have different camera modules for different occasions, a simple one for daily use, one with optical zoom and one with a big sensor for darker pictures, you will damage your phone sooner or later.
The phone normally is 9,7mm thick, same as normal smartphones, a cover would make it thicker. If you like one, get one. They surely will be available, because everything is modular.
It's not waterproof. Why is that a problem for you?
Every less expensive phone is not and this phone is designed for the 5 billion people who don't have a smartphone yet, because it's very cheap and customisable for every need. If you want it waterproof, there surely will be modules or covers available that guarantee you that, but they will cost a bit more, simple.
Why should the first version of a completely new way of handling the mobile hardware market put everything out at the same time. Get this piece of high-tech-art to work smoothly. That's what Google promises. And what they also promise is that everybody can participate in its evolution.
So if you have ideas on how to give that phone a new feature, think it through and try to form it into a sellable solution. This time you can not only complain and hope it's done better next time. No, you can improve it or even invent it.
It's time to use our brains finally!
I agree with that. It is not good enough
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Why should the first version of a completely new way of handling the mobile hardware market put everything out at the same time. Get this piece of high-tech-art to work smoothly. That's what Google promises. And what they also promise is that everybody can participate in its evolution.
It's time to use our brains finally!
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Man, you summarised all what I wanted to say;
The project must start very simple, it's aimed to be sold for the majority of consumers, not adding x, y, x', y', x'' and so on... This way they'll lose a very large layer of consumers, for it requires more knowledge about electronics than the normal.
Afterwards there can be any accessories or additions as you guys want. The hundred step way starts with a step!