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From GTab 10.1 to Nexus 10

Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet*. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab 10.1? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
* Edit: let me clarify since this was not understood. Many forums talk about the "next" device to move on to. For example, the Galaxy Nexus forum had lots of talk going on about "should I upgrade to the Nexus 4?" There really was no 10" Nexus tablet, and it seems our device (10.1) is the logical precursor (Grandparent?) to the Nexus 10, which seems to be a GTab 2 10.1 on steroids.
Edit #2: See my post on page two with a full comparison now that I have both devices.

Eddog4DROID said:
Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
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Why do not you go to Nexus 10 forum? Here is galaxy tab forum, of cause people are talking about galaxy tab only.
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Why do not you go to Nexus 10 forum? Here is galaxy tab forum, of cause people are talking about galaxy tab only.
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It was a little bit of "I got my brand new toy", please understand him...
But the OP was right... there are not so many Nexus 10 users here.... in the Galaxy Tab forum.
Sorry, for being off topic... but I don't see the topic.

How do you guys not understand the original post. I am specifically asking Galaxy Tab users, not users of any other device, if they plan on upgrading.
The Galaxy Tab has now been around for a long time. It seems this might be the next logical step for some of you. Or does the Galaxy Tab do everything you need still?
I really only got the Nexus 10 after the Nexus 4 was sold out and I wanted to walk away with something. But I'm still happy about the upgrade. Though I could have used the tab quite a bit longer.
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Eddog4DROID said:
How do you guys not understand the original post. I am specifically asking Galaxy Tab users, not users of any other device, if they plan on upgrading.
The Galaxy Tab has now been around for a long time. It seems this might be the next logical step for some of you. Or does the Galaxy Tab do everything you need still?
I really only got the Nexus 10 after the Nexus 4 was sold out and I wanted to walk away with something. But I'm still happy about the upgrade. Though I could have used the tab quite a bit longer.
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Just ignore it.. I understood your post just fine.
To answer your post. I moved on to the N7.. I purchased my 16GB version then two weeks later the 32GB was released and I exchanged it out. I haven't looked back since.. My Galaxy Tab sits on my TV stand and has been there for weeks now with an uptime of 445 hrs (just checked) and a screen on time of 5 minutes.. It's literally a paperweight. I tried to use the tab as just an e-reader but.. Seriously.. The Tab 10.1 sucks.. Once you use a real tablet on real hardware that isn't crippled and under-performing the flaws, lag, stuttering and slowness we already knew about the Galaxy Tab 10.1 are just heightened to the point you want to smash it.
So yes.. I moved on. I would buy the Nexus 10 if I had a need for a 10 inch but after using the N7.. I no longer want a 10 inch tablet.. For me the 7inch form factor is perfect.
BTW Congrats on your purchase and welcome to the Nexus family! Home of prompt updates straight from Google and pure AOSP support right out of the gate.. You'll never buy a non-Nexus device again

Eddog4DROID said:
Well, I decided to take the plunge. I have upgraded and moved on to the Nexus 10. This tablet has been good to me for the last 18 months, but I don't want to rely on rooting to have the latest software and sometimes there's just a little bit of lag that's upsetting. And I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz.
Tablets aren't as important to me as the smartphone that I am carrying, but I think this upgrade will last me a long long time. So it was worth it.
I haven't heard or read about many people here talking about the Nexus 10 yet. Should I assume that everyone is just content with the Galaxy Tab? How much longer do you guys see yourself with it?
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I'm not yet satisfied with the Nexus 10, perhaps I'll go for google's next 10inch tablet, though I might get a N7 before then, but I think I'd miss the larger sceen (a more likely scenario is that somebody else in the household would be the primary user)
P.S. Actually, maybe I would get it if I wasn't getting the N⁴, but two new devices is probably)too much for me atm, and (for me) the N10 definitely doesn't justify it.

Well I thank the last two users for "getting" it. That's all I was asking for, the perspective of 10.1 users.
To me the N10 advantages over the 10.1 are:
AOSP - No Touchwiz! (or Rooting needed)
Prompt Updates
Resolution makes reading a joy
Lag free on the A15 Cortex.
Doesn't look like an iPad
Lightweight but apparently a very sturdy, industrial design
If I DID choose to root and ROM, a bigger community because it's a Nexus(?)
Standard MicroUSB Charging connection
These things are a wash:
Cameras? Meh. Never use them anyway.
Battery life? I've never had any opinion of the 10.1's battery life. It's not a smartphone that I am constantly using so it last me several days in-between charges. I'm sure the N10 will be the same.
Design and looks: The 10.1 probably does look better? Though, more Appleish. So it's about even.
I honestly wanted to find more reasons why keeping the 10.1 makes sense. And as far as a point-by-point argument, the Nexus 10 wins hands down. But that doesn't really matter because it depends on how you are using a tablet. To me, a tablet is always secondary to my smartphone. I use it far less. The Browser, Email, Google Reader, scan the news apps. That's mostly it. I don't play games. I don't video chat. So really, even though I think the Nexus 10 is far superior, the 10.1 did most of what I wanted just fine. So I can't blame anyone for keeping the 10.1 (unless you're still using it on Stock TouchWiz 4.0, where it is soo laggy, etc? My Jelly Bean ROM has been fantastic!). If you don't like to root to "fix" things, but you are a heavy tablet user, than I'm thinking you probably are looking to upgrade--which goes back to the original question: Is the Nexus 10 good enough? I guess I'll see in a couple days... I'll probably post back some comparisons later.

Eddog4DROID said:
To me, a tablet is always secondary to my smartphone. I use it far less. The Browser, Email, Google Reader, scan the news apps. That's mostly it. I don't play games. I don't video chat. So really, even though I think the Nexus 10 is far superior, the 10.1 did most of what I wanted just fine. So I can't blame anyone for keeping the 10.1 (unless you're still using it on Stock TouchWiz 4.0, where it is soo laggy, etc? My Jelly Bean ROM has been fantastic!). If you don't like to root to "fix" things, but you are a heavy tablet user, than I'm thinking you probably are looking to upgrade--which goes back to the original question: Is the Nexus 10 good enough? I guess I'll see in a couple days... I'll probably post back some comparisons later.
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This.. This is why I am no longer interested in a 10inch.
Before I had my N7 as you said my phone would be my go to device and my Tab was second fiddle.. It was big, not very portable and kind of awkward to use in most circumstances unless you were just flipping through a book or something. Now.. Ever since I got my Nexus 7.. My phone is second fiddle.. The N7 form factor is like a phone on steroids.. Larger enough to make reading, gaming, app use and browsing much easier but small enough where it doesn't feel like you're Fred Flintstone holding a slab in your hands either.
This is ultimately the reason my Galaxy Tab has fall to the way side entirely and also my phone.. The 7 inch form factor is the perfect combination between phone and tablet..
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I never needed a tablet but I liked my TAB (especially since ICS). But the Nexus 7 really hit the spot: now I feel I DO need to have a tablet around. For me (old eyes and all), the 10 inch screen is a bit better for classic WEB browsing (and a lot better as a remote to my PCs), but the format and weight of the N7 makes it the "go to" device for anything but "work stuff".
I thought a lot about the N10 these past couple of weeks, but in the end I passed (and I still have the TAB: not worth the hassle of selling at this point; I'll use it intermittently until I find a potential Android recruit to recycle it to). I think I may wait for the Nexus 8 (lighter, much thinner bezel, high ppi... and able to replace any and all of my remotes).
P.-S. --- The N7 fits in the pockets of my hoodies: no X10 would!

I have a wifi tab 10.1, a 4G tab 7.7, and a GS3.
I use the 7.7 and GS3 far more than I use the 10.1. Probably use the 7.7 the most. It's portability and the 4G give it an advantage over the 10.1 while the larger screen gives it an advantage over the GS3. I'd love to get a N10, but it's more because I love gadgets than any real need for it. I'd love the S Pen functionality of the Note 10.1, but wish it was quad core... And obviously the N10 doesn't have this. So the primary draw of the N10 is the display and the prompt updates since it's a reference device.
If I had the money, I'd probably get a N10...though Engadget wasn't terribly impressed by it. I may try to get my hands on a Note 10.1 cuz the S Pen functionality would make it a good tool for work.
Never been impressed by the N7. The screen feels narrow and its fat/heavy. I'll happily exchange the quad-core processor for the thin, light design and AMOLED screen of the tab 7.7.

LurkSkywalker said:
I never needed a tablet but I liked my TAB (especially since ICS). But the Nexus 7 really hit the spot: now I feel I DO need to have a tablet around. For me (old eyes and all), the 10 inch screen is a bit better for classic WEB browsing (and a lot better as a remote to my PCs), but the format and weight of the N7 makes it the "go to" device for anything but "work stuff".
I thought a lot about the N10 these past couple of weeks, but in the end I passed (and I still have the TAB: not worth the hassle of selling at this point; I'll use it intermittently until I find a potential Android recruit to recycle it to). I think I may wait for the Nexus 8 (lighter, much thinner bezel, high ppi... and able to replace any and all of my remotes).
P.-S. --- The N7 fits in the pockets of my hoodies: no X10 would!
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What exactly do you mean by "pocket" here? The two hand thing? If so, how tall are you/what size do you where? I'm not a big person and I've gotten my gt10.1 in there :S

I have been looking at many of the next tablets being offered by most of the companies. The Nexus 10 is tempting, but I DO use the camera for some things, and the 10 inch screen is important to the main function for which I bought a tablet. I tried the 7 inch units and they're just too small for my needs. I use my tablet for a moving-map display and electronic flight-bag while I'm flying. I actually use an app that does a split-screen and shows me charts and flight data at the same time. The 7-inch was just too small for that. I had a Transformer Prime for a while and really liked the display and operational speed, but the lack of a functional wifi and GPS took that out of the picture in a hurry. For the moment, the Tab 10.1 still does the job. But I am looking.

I have used my Nexus 10 all weekend and can now compare it with the G Tab 101.1
GTab 10.1 vs N10
Screen:
N10 pixels/resolution obviously blows the GTab 10.1 away; but it seems like the N10 screen is more washed out compared to the deep colors of the GTab.
Speakers:
Maybe it's my hearing, but the GTab seems to have louder sound
Performance:
Oh my, not even close. The Exynos 5 in the N10 poops on the Tegra 2. FINALLY Android does not have any lag. Whereas the GTab hails from Lag City. (Rooting and Roming obviously helps).
Cameras:
Even? I took pic's, I skyped, saw no difference.
Build quality:
The N10 does not feel like a Samsung device. The GTab feels like a Toy in comparison. Though it feels much lighter (even though the specs say they are closer) so some may prefer that.
Software:
The GTab requires you to root it for decent performance. Or you can have full functionality to go along with lagginess and TouchWiz. The N10 is a Nexus. A full working 4.2. Yes it's new so there are bugs, but thankfully Samsung does not handle updates.
Battery:
More or less even. MAYBE the GTab 10.1 has a slight, slight edge? not sure yet.
Extras:
N10 has an HDMI port I probably will never use. Though it does have a notification light which is really helpful. Neither have SD's. I am fan of the wide bezels on the N10 because my thumb does not cover the screen.
Conclusion:
I feel like the N10 is so much better, but really, the GTab 10.1 did most of what I needed and did it "ok" to "well". The N10 just does it a little quicker. And it's nice to know I don't have to root it to be satisfied. So on those levels it is worth it. Otherwise, if you can not afford it, there is no reason why you need to be an early adopter. I think many GTab 10.1 users may end up getting the Nexus 7 instead as that is become standard for many hard core Android users. If you watch tons of videos, then the N10 is highly recommended. If you can not tolerate TouchWiz and rather not mod the device, also get the N10. For everyone else? No rush.

The N10 is 1.5 years newer.. It should smoke the 10.1

I'm dying to replace the tab with a new device, before the N10 I was considering the Asus TF700 but I'll only jump ship when one of them deliver a 3G option, I seriously don't get why the don't release mobile data versions in tandem of Wi-Fi only option.
But I suspect and hope Google bring it out soon, I don't think Asus will do now, not now the infinity has been out for so long.
Swyped, from my finger to your face, on my Samsung Galaxy Note II

I will try to present a slightly different view. Before I was forced to get my Samsung 10.1, I had a 10.1v which I truly think is a much better device than the plain 10.1. Eventually I will cannibalize my 10.1 to get my 10.1v working again.
My new tablet has to have the following features: 10" screen, 3G, quad-core and preferably a pen too. Such a device is still some ways from hitting the market and until such a time, I guess I'm content with my 10.1.
I have a 4.7" phone so there is little point for me getting a less than 10" tablet. Call it due to my older eyes but for me 10" is a very comfortable size, I don't even miss my notebook as I also have a Logitech BT keyboard. I have no problems carrying the tablet. I can understand that it comes down to a personal choice where screen size is concerned, for me the big screen just makes it easier to work with the device.
I did root my tab as it makes me uncomfortable that I can't even make a decent backup without a root. If I can put JB on my 10.1, it would definitely delay a new device

I really want to get the Nexus 10, but I currently only use my Galaxy Tab 10.1 for infrequent browsing and even less frequent Angry Birds Star Wars. I may get the Note 10.1 for my wife because she really wants the stylus---oops, I mean the S-Pen.
If Google adds a native Android feature allowing two apps to run side-by-side (like the Note, but implemented better), I'd buy the Nexus 10 tomorrow.
For now, I'll keep puttng up with the mild lag of the GTab 10.1.

I am buying a Nexus10 32Gb (it should arrive Monday) but I also have been very happy with my 10.1 GT-7510 (aka p4wifi). I have been running the following JellyBean 4.1.2 ROM for almost 2 weeks now without any problems.
Make a nandroid, then install:
AAcount's TWRP 2.3.2.3: recovery http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833136
Make another backup with TWRP if you were coming from ClockworkMod (paranoid)
Clean Wipe
triptosyll's unofficial AOKP November 12th Build: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1953915
Formula84's JZ054K Gapps: http://goo.im/devs/Formula84/gapps-jb-20121012-4.1.2-JZO54K
Reboot, set everything up (I use Titanium Backup Pro)
then install AAccount's A1 kernel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833136
Go into AOKP performance tab and select 1.6Ghz OC or 1.5Ghz if you're conservative.
Win!!
Install "voodoo sound" sound control panel for amazing audio quality
Install Dice or MX Player with the appropriate Tegra 2 codecs and you'll be able to play virtually any 720p video without lag.
Install Dolphin Browser with Flash and Jetpack for Desktop Browser experience and install Chrome for mobile browser experience.
Everything works great. Google Now works, front and rear cameras work as well. It will take an hour the first time through, but I think you will be super happy with your Tab. This could extend the viable life of the 10.1 for another 6-12 months until the next big thing comes along.
(Of course all of this is at your own risk. It works great for me, but might not work so well for anyone else.)
On the Nexus10 front, I can't believe that anyone would buy a 16Gb tablet! If I have a couple nandroids and a few movies or TV show seasons, I'm well above 16Gb. Right now I have <5Gb free on my GTab10.1 and I only have a few games, 1 season of Breaking Bad and about 3 or 4 hours of music on it. This IMO is "minimum" local storage for a week away from home on a business trip. 5+ hour flights are a drag without copious local data.

I'd love to buy a nexus 10, sadly it's not available in Italy, maybe it never will be
that means my money is going to Asus this time, 299$ for 32Gb plus 3g is the best deal out there in my opinion; that said I'll keep my gtab 10,1 to watch movies in case I'm not satisfied with the 7 inch display.

OK, first impressions on the Nexus10 from someone who's been an Android user since the OG Droid and has had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wifi for 16 months.
It is a little bit wider and almost exactly the same height and thickness of the p4wifi
The Nexus10 is heavier, 604g vs 558g on my kitchen scale. Its width makes it seems a bit heavier since it puts more torque on your hand if holding it one handed.
The buttons are in the same orientation as the p4wifi
The buttons on the Nexus10 are slightly further to the left than on the p4. This leads me to accidentally hit the power button more since I'm used to being able to grab the tab by that corner safely
The buttons are lower-profile and seem a bit chintzy compared to the p4
The Nexus10 screen is warmer and a bit "dimmer" than the p4. I think the p4 actually has slightly better contrast. This is a subjective judgement. I'm using automatic brightness on both. Although the stock auto-brightness stinks. I need to get AOKP installed on the Nexus10 and tweak the brightness.
Nexus10 does indeed poop on the p4 from performance perspective. It is like night and day even running the Stock Nexus 10 versus highly overclocked and tweaked p4.
I haven't auditioned the headphone out yet. Will get some high-bitrate music on here and try it out soon.
It looks better in person than in the pictures. I think in the pictures that the roundedness of the Nexus10 looks unattractive, but in person it is fine.
I am very dissappointed with how few accessories have been announced so far. I suppose this isn't surprising, but I would really like a bluetooth keyboard case for it. The Logitech ZAGG case for my p4wifi, of course, doesn't fit at all.
My very cheap "Acase" flip case ALMOST fits. It is very snug due to the extra width. I think with a little Xacto knife action, I'll have a usable but not ideal case. The speaker holes aren't too far from the charging port.
My wife actually prefers the p4 for reading books as the Nexus10 is "too small". At least on Google Play (I haven't played with Kindle Reader yet) this is not merely a matter of zoom level. For example the free "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" the pictures of the Rabbit are about 2x the size on the p4 as on the Nexus10. I assume this is because the Play Store hasn't been fully adapted for high-dpi devices yet.
The p4 would slowly charge when plugged into USB but the Nexus10 seems to actually lose charge while plugged into USB. Hopefully custom kernels will be available soon with "fast charge" capability.
Well hope that helps somebody make a decision.

Galaxy note 8.0

Officially announced on their Facebook page, with pix...
Looks like a giant Note II
And here on their home page.
What you guys think? I want one!

Spec wise it's almost identical, so i don't think i would get one. Note 10.1 is enough for me
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I WILL have one.. Oh yes, I will...

It's got the home button from the phone though. That was one of the things that people hated about the Note 2 compared to the Note 1: having to push a mechanical button instead of a capacitive home button meant having to change to a finger push instead of a stylus poke.

The design, at least to me, is kind of stupid. Android on a tablet doesn't do well in portrait and widgets end up squished to fit. Using the Note 8 in landscape is going to be challenging because of the button placement and types of buttons Samsung decided to use. And having what appears to be a single front-facing speaker is a step back from the Note 10.1. It's just my opinion but having less than a 10" tablet kind of defeats the purpose especially with S Note and multiview. I'm sure it'll sell well though.
I just hope we get some of the new features like Awesome Note (Samsung has a one year Android exclusive) and the addition of TV Discovery to Peal to pull in Netflix and Hulu content.

I waited for Note 8.0 thinking it would be just like Note 10.1 but smaller. But it is more like a bigger version of Note 2 but with poorer camera. Meh.
Samsung - this is an enlarged phone, not a proper tablet.

I don't have a Note 10.1, since I really don't want to drop 400-500 on a tablet anytime soon as I did with the Thinkpad Tablet, and that was a huge mistake. As far as I've seen, this tablet is a lot better, but I think the price point of this 8.0 tablet might be appealing. We'll see, I guess.
Anyone think a second version of the 10.1 tablet is due as well, in the near future at least?

im still thinking if this will be a good backup phone from the Note 10.1 or i might settle for the Nexus 4. but ever since the rumors about the Note 8 came out, i am so into it.
we will see when it is out in stores.
=)

BarryH_GEG said:
Using the Note 8 in landscape is going to be challenging because of the button placement and types of buttons Samsung decided to use. And having what appears to be a single front-facing speaker is a step back from the Note 10.1.
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Its a giant note2 who wanna be a note 10.1
It have phone capabilities thats why the front facing speaker and the use of the buttons
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Would love to know that the reading mode would do to the screen

Well the Note 8.0 solves THE big knock on the Note 10.1 - lousy PPI. Because of the smaller form factor the PPI goes up by almost 50 points. That's enough to make a real difference. Also thumb typing in portrait will be much more comfortable. It will also have a large enough screen to handwrite in portrait (unlike the Note 2).
One side benefit of this is that the Note 10.1 will get cheaper. BestBuy has it for $449 today. First time I've seen it on sale there.
Last point. Note 10.1 will now get better software.
I expect the Note 8.0 to be wildly popular and honestly the tablet the Note 10.1 was meant to be.

MWC is on so keep your favorite tech sites bookmarked and check them frequently for all the mobile news out of Spain this week. 7-inch tablets will be big this year. Today, Engadget is reporting on 3 new 7-inchers being shown at MWC--1 by HP that will be priced at $169 USD (not breathtaking specs on it) and 2 by Lenovo. It will be interesting to see if a 3G international version of the note 8 with dialing capabilities will be announced at the official unveiling at MWC. As many have noted, the speaker placement looks similar to the note 2, leading to speculation that some models might have phone capabilities.

I don't see a point why a Note 10.1 user should consider buying this tablet. Of course, dpi is lousy and i won't deny it, it just sucks. But that's one point - the Note 10.1 is a full-fledged android tablet. Landscape oriented, great software, enough power to maintain the upcoming years and some great features like stereo frontfacing speakers.
The Note 8.0 is a LOT more specified and in my opinion it wants to appeal a bit more professional users than most who bought the Note 10.1. I bought it for studying, it'll do a great job then. But i also wanted a multimedia tablet i can use at home, i think the Note 8.0 will have difficulties in that. It's too much different from standard android tablets.
I hoped for the Note 10.1 to get cheaper before i bought it (i waited for almost 2 months) but finally couldn't resist it anymore. I wouldn't buy the Note 8.0 anyway.

MWC is on so keep your favorite tech sites bookmarked and check them frequently for all the mobile news out of Spain this week. 7-inch tablets will be big this year. Today, Engadget is reporting on 3 new 7-inchers being shown at MWC--1 by HP that will be priced at $169 USD (not breathtaking specs on it) and 2 by Lenovo. It will be interesting to see if a 3G international version of the note 8 with dialing capabilities will be announced at the official unveiling at MWC. As many have noted, the speaker placement looks similar to the note 2, leading to speculation that some models might have phone capabilities.
Alright I didn't read Engadet yesterday afternoon and noe see that they've got a preview if the note 8 up and the internaltional 3G version will be able to make phone calls. The article contains a video, too. http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/23/samsung-galaxy-note-8-preview/

I hate that they put the speakers on the bottom?

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It have phone capabilities thats why the front facing speaker and the use of the buttons
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The Wi-Fi version won't and the U.S. and Canada won't be offered a 3G version. And probably in the countries that offer both more than half sold will be Wi-Fi only because people don’t want to have to buy 3G data. The N8000's a phone too but still survives without looking like a giant Note II including hard and soft buttons that are difficult to use in landscape and a single speaker. Do you honestly see anyone with a Note 8 holding it to their ear for phone calls?
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I expect the Note 8.0 to be wildly popular and honestly the tablet the Note 10.1 was meant to be.
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It's just the classic comparison of a 7/8" tablet vs. a 10" tablet. It's no different than comparing the N7 and N10; they are meant for two different market segments. The Note 8's going after the iPad Mini, not the Note 10.1. I agree about the better PPI between the Note 8 and 10 but because of the extra screen real estate you'd typically hold the Note 10 further away minimizing the impact. 10" high-end Android tablets have never sold particularly well because their price points are too close to the iPad and with that the masses tend to go for the original. If I was shopping for a tablet today I'd still buy the Note 10.1 in spite of its PPI because of its features. I like that it's designed to be used in landscape and the extra display space makes productivity stuff tons easier than working with a 7/8" tablet. But, to your point, based on size, price, and volume in the 7/8" space the Note 8 will easily outsell the Note 10.1. And I don't think Samsung cares one way or the other. The only thing I'll give my Note 10.1 up for is a Note the same size or larger with a FHD display. Purely my personal opinion of course.

Its pretty much the same tablet. Ill wait another year or atleast until tech advances enough to justify dropping another 500+ for a tablet. And when that happens, it will probably be a nexus :laugh:

I also find the resolution on the Samsung devices pretty poor :crying: I wish Samsung would bump them up!

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I also find the resolution on the Samsung devices pretty poor :crying: I wish Samsung would bump them up!
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higher dpi sounds great, just remember it means more work for the battery and cpu, I believe the wacom digitizer and resolution need to match also. personally I cannot sacrifice screen real estate, annotating blue prints requires a large screen for me. would love something in the 11.6 range. but I do believe they have different audiences, (I never believe in a one size fits all approach) probably get the little lady one, call it the " lady note"

I only want one cuz it's sexy. That and I'm a sucker for ads lol.
Realistically this could never replace my Note 10.1.

Galaxy Tab 7.7 P6800 -- Best Designed Tablet Ever

I'm using it in 2013 and it still puts all other tablets to shame (looks wise). C'mon Samsung, release a sequel to this BEAST of tablet, perhaps with a Quad Core and a 1080p super amoled plus display -- same body. Please. I will pay $1000 if you want but please release part dos!!

I want the 7.7 since released, but never get one here in in europe.AfterI had a nexus7 , gtab 8.9, sonyZ, asus padfone
QUOTE=JoJo2211;45183256]I'm using it in 2013 and it still puts all other tablets to shame (looks wise). C'mon Samsung, release a sequel to this BEAST of tablet, perhaps with a Quad Core and a 1080p super amoled plus display -- same body. Please. I will pay $1000 if you want but please release part dos!![/QUOTE]
I want the 7.7 since release date, but never find one here in europe.After many tabs like a nexus 7, Gtab 8.9, Asus Fonepad, SonyZ, Acer and many more, i found a shop 1 month ago that get a contingent of new 7.7. In times of quadcore i buyed it for 250.- brand new and like it very much.
The best tablet i ever had.
For a 2 year old tablet its very good. better specs like the tab3 and other brand new devices. Asus present the Fonepad but the 7.7 could do this years before.
Iam so interested why no producer makes a tablet with specs like the 7.7. Thin, sdcard, umts, phonecall with 3g, 1280er display bigger then 7 inch and a very good accutime. Only the p6800 had all this like 2 years ago.

most premium looking tablet. i hope the next one is borderless since we dont usually hold this by the bezel, leave that for ipads and 10 inchers.

ThE_SoUrCe said:
most premium looking tablet. i hope the next one is borderless since we dont usually hold this by the bezel, leave that for ipads and 10 inchers.
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This is the best designed tablet. However, it's limitations rests on Android. For tablets, we need a full fledged operating system like Windows 8. Not only is Windows 8 a complete OS, it runs 100x smoother than Android.
We can have a 8 cores 9000 Ghz CPU with 5,000 GB rams. It will still lag on Android. Sorry, but my next tablet will be windows 8. For mobile phones, Android is ok.
Just waiting for a 7-8 tablets to be released with windows 8. It's too bad that I will no longer have the call and text feature of the Galaxy Tab 7.7.

vbx said:
This is the best designed tablet. However, it's limitations rests on Android. For tablets, we need a full fledged operating system like Windows 8. Not only is Windows 8 a complete OS, it runs 100x smoother than Android.
We can have a 8 cores 9000 Ghz CPU with 5,000 GB rams. It will still lag on Android. Sorry, but my next tablet will be windows 8. For mobile phones, Android is ok.
Just waiting for a 7-8 tablets to be released with windows 8. It's too bad that I will no longer have the call and text feature of the Galaxy Tab 7.7.
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vbx said:
This is the best designed tablet. However, it's limitations rests on Android. For tablets, we need a full fledged operating system like Windows 8. Not only is Windows 8 a complete OS, it runs 100x smoother than Android.
We can have a 8 cores 9000 Ghz CPU with 5,000 GB rams. It will still lag on Android. Sorry, but my next tablet will be windows 8. For mobile phones, Android is ok.
Just waiting for a 7-8 tablets to be released with windows 8. It's too bad that I will no longer have the call and text feature of the Galaxy Tab 7.7.
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Enjoy your "complete" OS. Cm9 ROCKS this tablet with tremendous battery life. Btw you might want to invest 1.2k or more if you want windows 8 full with no lag, and not just the RT version since it's not a "complete" os. Oh and don't forget a shoulder bag to haul the thing in. I've messed with a few of them but the battery wasn't that impressive and they were way heavy (the guy was hauling it in a backpack). A laptop would have been a better choice than a full x86 slate IMHO, but by that time the argument is "laptop vs desktop". Rabbit trails.
Good luck!
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so no good replacement for P6800 soon ?
It's hard to find new slim, below 8", good screen and have 32GB internal tablet

The LG G Pad 8.3 looks like the next best tablet that might tempt me to upgrade my P6800
Specs look good as long as it has LTE
http://pocketnow.com/2013/09/18/lg-g-pad-8-3-price-rumored

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Very bad trolling try, you know ?
We've been stuck and skrew up during about 30 years with Windows/Microsoft/WinTel monopolistic position on the PCs, and you want more with mobile devices ???
If you want a Win8 device go to the next coming locked Toshiba Encore 8" device with Intel Atom Proc and you'll be fine, but just forget about XDA forums btw...
Toshiba is always selling locked devices (with locked bootloaders) most often impossible to root and/or to customized...
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LOL, I don't care about custom rom, root or customized bs. I just want a tablet the runs smooth. Only reason why still I have the 7.7 is because it's the only tablets that lets me send texts and make calls.

This is going to be a great replacement for this tablet
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bassem.mohsen said:
This is going to be a great replacement for this tablet
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_ifa_2013-review-980.php
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No phone capability so I guess it is more of a replacement for the P6810.
Large screen phones are a rarity. This company's Aries range looks promising though I doubt they will match the build quality of the 7.7
http://www.goclever.com/uk/products,c1/tablet,c5/

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This is going to be a great replacement for this tablet
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No... No oled ---> ignore!

Friend of mine decided to flash off his new 8" Note 3 last week, insisted on showing everyone how good the screen quality was.
He decided to show an episode of Horizon (BBC Science TV show for overseas readers) about black holes in 720p, funnily enough I had that episode on my 6800 so we played them side by side.....everyone in the office said ".....Oooo the picture on that older one is so much better...much sharper and more vivid....." he wasn't a happy bunny!
Don't know if anyone noticed but a 6800 sold on ripbay UK last night for £180, in good nick with the box and accessories.
I've got 3 6800's and a 6810 now sitting in various docking stations doing assorted things, just wish there was an official 4.2.2 release.
Ho Hum

My 7.7 is my baby. It's my main device for everything, entertainment, odd games and portfolio device. The device I read the daily news and catch up on tech news, reviews and read xda every night in bed. My wife knows not to disturb me when I and with my baby lol.
I have a note 10.1 also which I doodle with. I have the same apps on both but I just don't find the note tab satisfying to use like the 7.7. It's not just the looks, it's the whole ergonomics also. 7.7 is the perfect size for me. Big enough to read websites on and small enough to carry around. I love how thin it is and how premium it feels.
I'm amazed that even though the device got the all clear by the courts (Apple being jealous and trying to hinder the sales) Samsung should have expanded on this design. The 10.1 is ugly at best. The 7.7 looks beautiful.. like a Porsche.
It's a shame, I am tempted by the New 2014 note 10.1, that does look nice but it still is a little off. Also I'd prefer a smaller size. And then there's no amoled. This is a big booboo.
Sadly the 7.7 is feeling the strain. It is getting old and a bit slow. I always need more ram and on the p6810 I can't use multi window. I really love this feature on my note 10.1 and would love it for the 7.7. Thing is can I justify spending a couple of hundred quid for a p6800 - an old device that I know is slow for some tasks already just to get multiwindow?
Hmmmm decisions decisions....
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Man, I love the 7.7 but since swapping (and cutting) my SIM into the new Nexus 7 FHD LTE, I haven't looked back. I rarely used the dialer on the 7.7 since I also carry a phone, and I can always make voice calls using GrooveIP if I need to.
The thinner bezel on the Nexus 7 means I can put it in most of my pockets now. The 7.7 is really chunky compared to it, and for not much more screen space. True, it isn't SAMOLED so colors aren't as punchy, but much sharper resolution. Plus, no lag! The 7.7 was always laggy, sadly

JoJo2211 said:
I'm using it in 2013 and it still puts all other tablets to shame (looks wise). C'mon Samsung, release a sequel to this BEAST of tablet, perhaps with a Quad Core and a 1080p super amoled plus display -- same body. Please. I will pay $1000 if you want but please release part dos!!
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Totally agree. Just the right size, great screen, great feel... To see a 7.7 v2 for /2013/2014 would be fantastic. Screw Apple for litigating this tablet out of popularity and therefore dev support :/

Was looking at buying a new tablet a few weeks ago.
What I wanted:
1. HD AMOLED screen
2. Can make calls
3. 7-9"
4. Can install AOSP-style ROM
Nothing that you could buy new fit all these criteria except for the 7.7 which was released 2 years ago!
So I bought a 2nd hand 7.7 for $250 and haven't looked back
Only thing that I think could be improved is a faster processor and more stable custom roms and it would be perfect!

Finally sold my 7.7 tablet + my android phone to give way for a Note 3. I have to let go of bringing and maintaining two android devices (Phone + tablet) at the same time. I really love this tablet but sad to say, some good things really never last.

grabshell said:
Finally sold my 7.7 tablet + my android phone to give way for a Note 3. I have to let go of bringing and maintaining two android devices (Phone + tablet) at the same time. I really love this tablet but sad to say, some good things really never last.
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I really want a Note 3 but I can't give up my tablet. Hopefully, I get enough of Christmas and birthday money to cover it.

grabshell said:
Finally sold my 7.7 tablet + my android phone to give way for a Note 3. I have to let go of bringing and maintaining two android devices (Phone + tablet) at the same time. I really love this tablet but sad to say, some good things really never last.
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That is also my ultimate aim (single multi-purpose device). sm-n900 in 3 weeks ! The newer devices don't really need that much tweaking, but won't stop me trying anyway.
Still have some fun & unfinished work with this tab though, before passing it on..... keep it in the family
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Galaxy Note Pro 12.2

Just read this article. When do you expect the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 be available on sale? I am considering to buy the Galaxy 10.1 2014 this month but if the Pro will be available in two months, perhaps I should wait.
http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/12/23/samsung-galaxy-note-pro-leaks-in-new-image/

I am looking forward to this tablet as well will buy it as soon as it is out and then decide which note I will keep
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As much as they sell the 10.1 for I'm thinking the 12.2 will cost more than any android tablet should ever sell for.
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I'm sure it will be gorgeous, but at 12.2" aren't we moving into laptop territory? I think if I'm going to carry around something that big, it might has well have a real keyboard of sorts, like a 11" macbook air.

I thought I would want this, but using the 10.1 2014 edition, I can't possibly have anything else. It's the perfect size.

Yeah, you also have to wonder what the battery life will be like. I don't think I would gain anything from a 12" tablet that isn't running Windows. Also, it better have some kind of quick charge going on. Charge time on the 2014 is brutal.
Steve

From the info posted on the web, it seems that while the battery is larger (for the larger display), the CPU and RAM are the same as the 10.1 2014. Could this mean there might be more lag? Why doesn't Samsung allow us to change the battery like the Note 1-3?

While samsung don't make 4:3 ratio tablet at all, 12.2 or 13.3 tablet may be better.
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hajime_android said:
From the info posted on the web, it seems that while the battery is larger (for the larger display), the CPU and RAM are the same as the 10.1 2014. Could this mean there might be more lag? Why doesn't Samsung allow us to change the battery like the Note 1-3?
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Screen size is larger but resolution is the same so it wouldn't make a difference as far as lag is concerned, that's only rumoured spec anyhow.
Theres going to be four new tablets from samsung all rumoured to be out before March at the latest, with the 12.2 being one of the first released.

In that case, perhaps I should hold the purchase for the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and upgrade my Note 2 to Note 3.

Johny Jackson said:
While samsung don't make 4:3 ratio tablet at all, 12.2 or 13.3 tablet may be better.
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Good point. I'd rather see a 4:3 10" Android-powered tablet than a 12.2 or a 12.3 that is 16:10 or (eww) 16:9. It is frustrating that the only decent 4:3 tablet is the iPad (although HP did just come out with the HP Slate Pro 8, but the specs on that are pretty weak).

So if they Samsung is releasing a 12.2'' Note , the prices for Note 10.1 might come down aswell, if so i will just return mine and wait. _P

Anicane said:
So if they Samsung is releasing a 12.2'' Note , the prices for Note 10.1 might come down aswell, if so i will just return mine and wait. _P
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Highly doubtful. More likely is the price of the 12.2 will be noticeably higher. I use my 10.1 for entertainment when traveling and to get light productivity work done so I don't have to schlep my notebook with me all the time. At least to me, 12.2" is just way too big and defeats the portability benefit of a tablet. You've got to give Samsung credit though for leaving no niche unexploited.

BarryH_GEG said:
Highly doubtful. More likely is the price of the 12.2 will be noticeably higher. I use my 10.1 for entertainment when traveling and to get light productivity work done so I don't have to schlep my notebook with me all the time. At least to me, 12.2" is just way too big and defeats the portability benefit of a tablet. You've got to give Samsung credit though for leaving no niche unexploited.
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I agree, it'll most likely be more expensive, might as well buy a laptop or surface pro and be more productive.

I want one of these just because it's bigger, but there are just too many drawbacks. With the increase in screen size (which is substantial), there is a significant increase in weight and price with a drop in ppi
It's rumored to be 750g, which is actually only 3 oz heavier than an iPad 4, which actually isn't that bad considering the size.

I use my Note 10.1 while travelling. I take notes at clients sites, and I use t for reading and gaming in the airports. Even the 10" can get a little heavy for holding when reading, so I don't think I would want the additional weight of a larger tablet. For travellers weight is the enemy. I like a decent sized screen, but I have to balance that with weight.

A couple months ago I would have also gravitated toward the 12 - inch tablet. However, seeing the lower sales numbers for this device, due to the high price and how it has suppressed the development of custom ROMs, I have changed my perspective.
Thanks to Scott for Clean ROM, and finally breaking the log jam.
I cannot imagine the weight difference being noticeable in the long run, if you get the big dog.
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What's funny is the 7-8" crowd thinks we're all nuts for having a 10" tablet. Different strokes.

scrabbles said:
I'm sure it will be gorgeous, but at 12.2" aren't we moving into laptop territory? I think if I'm going to carry around something that big, it might has well have a real keyboard of sorts, like a 11" macbook air.
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My exact thoughts.
Sent from my freekin huge Note 10.1 ?

I own the Nexus 10 (same screen size and resolution of SGN 10.1 2014) and an HP TM2 12.2 hybrid tablet/notebook. The HP can be used either as a tablet with pen or by rotating the screen it can be used as a touch notebook. Comparing the 10.1" screen to the 12.2" screen; the 12.2" is significantly larger. I use my tablet for web browsing and while the 10.1" does a nice job, the 12.2 is much less fatiguing to use. You wouldn't realize this unless you could switch from one to the other and directly compare them. But since the Nexus 10 is much more convenient to handle, it is my go to tablet right now.
I'm definitely going to pickup the PRO when it is introduced and compare it directly to the Nexus 10 for daily use. I will either go with the PRO or the SGN 10.1 2014. Because of the pretty drastic difference in size, I think it will not take long to develop a clear preference in actual use. The PRO may be to big ... or maybe not.
Many people felt the SG Note was too big to be used as a phone, but I have really enjoyed my Note 2 and now my Note 3. When I switch to smaller phones they seem seriously inconvenient to use.

A Little Appreciation and why not to Upgrade

I bought the Note 10.1 a couple of months after it's launch in the US, and I have been using it in school to take notes on lectures ever since.
My friend bought the 2014 edition a few months back and I noticed that it just falls short. Yes, it's good, but it's no where near as good as ours is.
First and foremost - the battery is stronger. He squeezes out a day of usage while I can go to school 3 days in a row without getting near a charger.
The note 10.1 surprisingly does not lag. I think that it's one of the only samsung devices out there that don't lag with Touchwiz. The 2014 edition lags even when you pull down the notification shade.
Even the 2014 main advantage - it's display - is not worth it. The quality on the original note is so damn good that resolutions don't matter. I gave a few people the chance to compare them. The majority pointed on my tablet, claiming it had the better screen. The sheer quality of the display definitely makes up for the not-so-high resolution.
These are just some few basic things. If you go in deeper you'll surely find other little causes to favour the one over the other. But looking on the big things - battery, UI and general feel and even the display of the Note 10.1 are superior to the new 2014 Edition. If you have a 2012 edition and are considering whether to upgrade or not - save your cash. The 2012 is simply the better one.

Even Though That 2014 Edition might be thinner and smaller in size and looking better
but old one can do everything very well
i don't even Consider buying the new one because it will just be waste of money
i love my note and i think it's more than enough for me ^_^

Just bought the 2012, refurb from a major UK seller with 12 months warranty, half the price of cheapest 2014 I could find - well happy.

The only feat the 2014 edition Galaxy Note 10.1 has over the original Note 10.1 is the higher resolution.
2560 x 1600 on a 10.1" screen is beyond overkill.
about as much as the 1920x1200 resolution of my Nexus 7. I wish the Nexus 7 had capacitive buttons and not on screen dock buttons taking up the screen.

The Note 10.1 (N8000) is originally planned to run fluently with 1GB of RAM only (similar to Note 1 N7000), but its RAM is doubled (2x) at the last minute, making every specs twice the Note 1 with the same resolution, so it is more than enough even now. :good:
On the other hand, the Note 10.1 2014 only has its RAM boosted to 3GB (1.5x), its octa-core still operates in each group of four instead of true octa-core so they're not that much better, but the screen resolution becomes four times the N8000's, so it's somewhat insufficient. In fact, it is possible that the lag often occured when the tablet switches from the 'power-saving' group of CPUs (1.2Ghz x 4) to the 'performance' one (1.9Ghz x 4), so the Qualcomm version might be better.
About the screen: the 2014 one has higher resolution, which means in order to look nice everything displayed on it should at least match the huge resolution. The N8000 on the other hand still has HD resolution, which is quite good (considering HD was once a hype in TVs), and everything bigger than HD is guaranteed to look nice on it.

Yes n8000 is quite good all the way. Im not either going to replace this by 2014 or Pros. A minor (for me, huge) issue is the lack of a newer OS, but if you dont use smart-accessories, share SNote, you will be fine. Im using Sonys sw2 and unfortunately there is growing numbers of apps that require the API level of the newer OS than it is in A4.1.2 :/
Sent from my Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000).

One big thing that the note has going for it is support. I am not even sure if Samsung remembers this device.
I hate the home button on a tablet on a phone it's nice so it doesn't eat up space on a tablet with ample space navigation bars are a blessing. No matter how you hold the tablet you have access to the Navy bar unfortunately with a physical home button now you have to flip it around if you hold it a certain way.
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I bought my n8013 last month after reading lots of reviews. Unfortunately, I did not look at XDA. It never even dawned on me that a tablet as awesome as this one would not even be brought up to the level of OS that my dual-core S3 was at. Still can't believe it. Having said that, this thing flies on Hyperdrive, has no lag at all with Nova launcher. But this machine really deserves at least one more major update. If the S5 is not the absolute best phone on the market when it is released, I think I will be done with Samsung's stuff for a while. I'll use and love this tablet till it falls apart tho.
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Latest isn't always greatest.
Keep in mind that 4.4 will not allow you to install flash player, so you may want to get N8013 if you rely on flash.

I'd be content with 4.2 of Jelly Bean.

mingkee said:
Latest isn't always greatest.
Keep in mind that 4.4 will not allow you to install flash player, so you may want to get N8013 if you rely on flash.
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Really explain to me how I'm running flash on my nexus 5 ? Works really good with Dolfin :what:
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Really explain to me how I'm running flash on my nexus 5 ? Works really good with Dolfin :what:
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I have 4.4 on my Nexus 7 and I can confirm that Flash playback does not work well.
Try to play Youtube video embed.

GodSlayer said:
I bought the Note 10.1 a couple of months after it's launch in the US.
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I was one of the first on XDA to get a N10.1-12 in August, 2012, when it was launched. It replaced a year-old G-Tab 10.1 (which had the same screen resolution BTW). I've had a N10.1-14 since October. So I have lots of Samsung tablet experience. To say that the display on the '12 is "superior" to the '14 is ridiculous. The display on the N10.1-12 was painful from day one and Samsung was ridiculed for releasing such a high-end device without a 1,900x1,200 display which Asus and Acer were already offering. When I had a N2 going between it and the N10.1-12 was livable. The N10.1-12 was pretty much history after I got a N3 because of the pronounced difference in their displays.
The difference in form factor, design, and materials between the two is another big selling point for the N10.1-14. The N10.1-12 looked just like every other Samsung tablet and not like the flagship it was. And not a single reviewer had anything positive to say about the glossy plastic back and obviously plastic metallized bezel. The only benefit of the old design was front facing speakers but the N10.1-14's are certainly loud enough and most agree that the reduction in size by moving them to the sides was a worthy trade-off.
As for s/w changes the N10.1-14 adapts the same Multi View methods used in the N3. It's kind of jarring coming from the N10.1-12 but after using it for a while the changes Samsung made start to make sense. Using Air View to open apps with Pen Window is fantastic. You can have a browser present and minimized as an icon constantly available no matter where you are in the UI and no matter what you're doing. Leaks have already appeared of 4.4 with Magazine UX for the N10.1-14. In it, the number of Pen Window apps have tripled and the ability to "cascade" multiple apps is being introduced (it was a feature from the N10.1-12 that was missing). There's nothing from the N10.1-12 that I miss s/w wise.
The N10.1-12 is a great device and for people buying it today for $200'ish it's a great value based on the function it provides. Nothing's going to make a 147 PPI display acceptable when even today's low-end 7" tablets have it beat. And that low PPI display is the only reason the performance of the N10.1-12 is still adequate. The Exynos chip and Mali 400 GPU it uses are the same as what's in the SGS3 which debuted in March, 2012; almost two years ago.
And for those with short memories the N10.1-12 shipped with 4.0.4 and wasn't upgraded to 4.1 and the "Premium Suite" until January, 2013. There were tons of issues with the N10.1-12's launch s/w and plenty of lag; especially when multiple apps were open. So the N10.1-14 does have some occasional transition lag but is due to receive a major update this month; less time than the five months it took Samsung to update the N10.1-12 so it performed to its full potential.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to change it. But as someone whose owned both devices I wouldn't want someone to buy the N10.1-12 today without some counter point to consider because you and I have greatly differing opinions.

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I have 4.4 on my Nexus 7 and I can confirm that Flash playback does not work well.
Try to play Youtube video embed.
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Theres a hacked version in the Nexsus 5 Q&A section maybe you can give it a try on your N7. It works real well on the N5. DL link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1qjrD8ZER9ITmlVNW1EVWM5YlE/preview
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BarryH_GEG said:
I was one of the first on XDA to get a N10.1-12 in August, 2012, when it was launched. It replaced a year-old G-Tab 10.1 (which had the same screen resolution BTW). I've had a N10.1-14 since October. So I have lots of Samsung tablet experience. To say that the display on the '12 is "superior" to the '14 is ridiculous. The display on the N10.1-12 was painful from day one and Samsung was ridiculed for releasing such a high-end device without a 1,900x1,200 display which Asus and Acer were already offering. When I had a N2 going between it and the N10.1-12 was livable. The N10.1-12 was pretty much history after I got a N3 because of the pronounced difference in their displays.
The difference in form factor, design, and materials between the two is another big selling point for the N10.1-14. The N10.1-12 looked just like every other Samsung tablet and not like the flagship it was. And not a single reviewer had anything positive to say about the glossy plastic back and obviously plastic metallized bezel. The only benefit of the old design was front facing speakers but the N10.1-14's are certainly loud enough and most agree that the reduction in size by moving them to the sides was a worthy trade-off.
As for s/w changes the N10.1-14 adapts the same Multi View methods used in the N3. It's kind of jarring coming from the N10.1-12 but after using it for a while the changes Samsung made start to make sense. Using Air View to open apps with Pen Window is fantastic. You can have a browser present and minimized as an icon constantly available no matter where you are in the UI and no matter what you're doing. Leaks have already appeared of 4.4 with Magazine UX for the N10.1-14. In it, the number of Pen Window apps have tripled and the ability to "cascade" multiple apps is being introduced (it was a feature from the N10.1-12 that was missing). There's nothing from the N10.1-12 that I miss s/w wise.
The N10.1-12 is a great device and for people buying it today for $200'ish it's a great value based on the function it provides. Nothing's going to make a 147 PPI display acceptable when even today's low-end 7" tablets have it beat. And that low PPI display is the only reason the performance of the N10.1-12 is still adequate. The Exynos chip and Mali 400 GPU it uses are the same as what's in the SGS3 which debuted in March, 2012; almost two years ago.
And for those with short memories the N10.1-12 shipped with 4.0.4 and wasn't upgraded to 4.1 and the "Premium Suite" until January, 2013. There were tons of issues with the N10.1-12's launch s/w and plenty of lag; especially when multiple apps were open. So the N10.1-14 does have some occasional transition lag but is due to receive a major update this month; less time than the five months it took Samsung to update the N10.1-12 so it performed to its full potential.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to change it. But as someone whose owned both devices I wouldn't want someone to buy the N10.1-12 today without some counter point to consider because you and I have greatly differing opinions.
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You and I are quite the opposite. I bought my N8000 four months ago, and despite being able to get the 2014 version, I decided not to. I will tell you why.
1/ Yes, the 10.1 2014 is more powerful, but it does not make the N8000 any less so. I moved to my N8000 from the sk17i SE Mini Pro, and the sk17i is the same powerful device as the original Galaxy S, specs-wise: 1Ghz single-core and 512MB of RAM. With the power of the -once- most powerful mobile device, it still had things that couldn't be done, why? Because the Galaxy S was the very best they could give you at its time. The best of that time was simply not sufficient, that was why people longed for more (Btw, the sk17i still completed most of the tasks I expected). When I moved to the N8000, which has four times the sk17i's specs, the tasks I gave to my device mostly remained the same: word processing (not as nicely as the sk17i with its hardware keyboard, though), web browsing and email, plus being my personal drawing canvas, and all of those have always been completed without lag. What I mean is, there was a time when even the best they could offer was not adequate, but now there exists a line in specifications that, when you cross it, it does not make any difference no matter how far you cross it. No matter how many years it has been, either. OEMs always compete; specs have outgrown the actual needs for it, CPUs and RAM outgrown what an average PC once has, and screen resolution/dpi gone beyond what the eye can see. All for the privilege to brag that "My device is better than your device", and do so for, like, a month? Now, tell me what you can't do without the 2014 version's specs, some kind of multi-gigs 3D games that you play for a few minutes each day? No problem, I will live without it.
2/ The 10.1 2014 portrays what I personally call 'Google's major design flaw' and what Samsung has to come up with to improvise: the hardware navigation buttons. I have written this multiple times, but again, since Android 4.2+, the tablet UI no longer exists (though developers still manage to pull it out from the depth of codes till its complete removal in 4.4). Since the Tab 3 generation (including the cute Note 8.0) it has been determined that Samsung tablets will operate with Android 4.2+ as the final update, so all these devices are equipped with hardware navigation buttons as preparation. As for the N8000, can you download the harware buttons from the Internet? Of course not. So if a 4.2+ update for the N8000 ever existed, it would stand out from the rest of Samsung tablets and have to be specially made. Maybe the guys at Samsung was preparing the 4.2 update when 4.3 came out. Maybe when they decided to skip 4.2 and moved to developing the 4.3 update, when suddenly 4.4 came out. Maybe they then decided to once again skip the underdeveloped 4.3 update for 4.4, or decided it was not worth the effort and abandoned ship, whatever took them that long to deliver absolutely nothing. But I can tell you, a flagship device like the N8000 having no update till now is not entirely Samsung's fault, much less the N8000's. Blame Google for releasing Android versions so quickly with little changes, user-wise (Okay, having no Tablet UI is a big change here). Whether or not there is an update remains a test of faith, or even an inside joke, remember Half-Life 3?
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With those aside, I agree with you that the 2014 version feels much more premium; it was such a pleasure holding it in my hand. The size, weight and material is admirable, especially from Samsung.

The size of the new unit rocks. And there is about where it ends. I have a TabPro 10.1 here I may return, especially since we will be getting kitkat. While the smaller size and weight is really nice, I have 2 major problems with it....
1) Stupid Physical Home Buttons. Hate it on their phones, hate it on their tabs. Especially annoying on tabs in portrait mode.
2) Our original note 10.1 has far superior multi-windowing, imo. I didn't much care for it on the Note 10.1 2014 (android 4.3) and they've changed it again in 4.4.2 on the *Pro tabs. My concern is that the kitkat update to ours is going to change it to the new method.
TabPro 10.1 returned. Just not convinced the "upgrade" actually is an upgrade to this tablet. In waiting mode