Hi,
Is there any chance of dualbooting Dell Venue 8 Pro with Windows 8 and Android? I like Windows 8 but would also like to be able to use Android on this awesome tablet.
If not dual boot, is there any other way of using Android as virtual machine or something that provides full touch and other sensor's support?
Thanks.
Don't "think" Android. Think Linux instead. It theoretically can be done, but the fact that the UEFI is 32bit while Linux uses 64bit.
You would disable Secure Boot in the BIOS. The other issue is a lack of drivers for the touchscreen during installation.
The stress isn't worth it in my opinion. Leave the device stock as is.
I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/
Not worth it
A_Str8 said:
I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/
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I'm downloading it now since it is just an emulator running inside VirtualBox.
There are many Android games, that I've already boght and would want to be able to play on the Venue8 Pro. I'll let you know how it works out in a few hours.
EDIT: I've installed and ran the application. As it stated, it is really just an emulator VirtualBox running a stripped down Android image.
Enabling my real cam with the emulator gave me my first BSOD. Installed a few premium games that I had purchased on my real device. The frame rate in the virtual environment wasn't smooth. It was obvious that you were using an emulator. Genymotion is a very good attempt at emulating Andriod on a running PC, however this solution is not for me. It isn't a replacement for a dual-boot scenario with the native OS.
So what would you guys recommend? I have tried both BlueStacks player and an Android virual machine on my Venue 8 Pro. I really want to be running Android smoothly.
To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
I'm wondering if these instructions will work for the Venue. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321292
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It looks plausible. I'd create a system image of my entire system partiotion before even attempting this.
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To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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But isn't install Linux also difficult (given the UEFI problems)? And will I be able to run Android apps smoothly on Linux somehow?
Linux to me would be easier since it already "exists" for PC. You should be able to install it in theory with a USB mouse and keyboard attached to a USB hub. Android on the other hand would simply not work "natively" with your Dell Venue 8 since it would have to be re-compiled for this purpose. I can't imagine why the source code for an Android app can't be re-compiled for Linux despite the differences in processor type.
My only desire for Android on my Tablet is to be able to play all those games that I've bought for my Samsung Galaxy Note2,
If I knew how to compile Android from source code and simply slipstream the touchscreen drivers that would be great. Let's agree to propose this to the developers in the phone section of this forum such as Cyanogem Mod so that something can be custom built for our devices.
Contrary to the above poster. There is no issue with android across architectures.
Android apps are compiled to dalvik bytecode and run within the dalvik virtual machine. Its platform independent. x86 builds of android exist. There are x86 android devices on shelves, there is android-x86 and there is android-ia. Android is also available on MIPS processors. Community ports to PowerPC have been done. As long as you have a dalvik virtual machine you can run the dalvik bytecode, problem solved.
The driver issue is a big one. x86 operating systems dont have the issue of having to target different devices. But there arent touchscreen, wifi, bluetooth or sensor drivers for all combinations of hardware out there. The asus w700 seems to be the device best off in that regard.
Theoretically it could be done for the venue though. Without those drivers though it will be unusably slow (software drawn screen etc) and interaction wouldnt be possible without external USB.
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x86 builds of android exist.
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Thanks for letting me know.
Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
CL0SeY said:
Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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I was thinking of trying that but was too afraid to run into a problem that would ruin my new tablet.
Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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xueyao said:
Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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thats a different problem and solution entirely
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Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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A_Str8 said:
From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?
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I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?
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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?
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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?
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I about to take the plunge very soon. I just completed the usb part of the tut. I am gonna use the IA3 file. I guess Ill see what happens soon. I already took the time to offload my backup on a usb, initially to make more space since I got the 16gig which really left me with only 6-8 gb. Taking out the recovery partition made about 3.45 gb free from the tab.
I already disabled "Secure Boot"
After doing this and restarting this you will run into the problem about the bitlocker and needing to type in your bitlocker code from MS again. You could bypass and disable this by hitting disable bitlocker. But for the concern it will come up. I plan on making a thread for this and be the pioneer guy.
So yeah kinda scared to start it as I got this when MS store had there $99 deal.... waited for 8 hours till i got mine and hate to break it....
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Hello all
I have the tablet pc which the local brand, currently there is having the window7 os install on the tablet, and I preferred to install android os on it, I don't know my spec are suitable for the install or not, below is my spec of my tablet.
Processor
CPU Intel Atom N450 (1.66 GHz)
Graphic system
Graphic Chip Intel GMA 3150
Display Type Multi-Touch Screen 11.6 inch (1366 ? 768)
Main Memory Memory 1 GB
Hard Disk Drive Hard Disk 64 GB
Web Camera Details 1.3 Pixel
Port & Interface USB 2
Card Reader SD Card
Audio Out 3.5
VDO Out Mini HDMI
Connection
Wireless Lan WiFi 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth yes
Battery Type
Lithium-ion 7.4V,5000mAh
Life -Size
Size
295 x 195 x 14
Please let me know if I can change OS to android and how I do
Thank you
Arty
Short answer, no.
Not only would you need all the correct drivers for wifi, bluetooth, touch, etc..., but if you did happen to have those, your processor works on the x86 platform, and android is made to be used on the ARM architecture. Sorry.
^ Not completely correct. There ARE versions of Android that run on x86 architecture; Acer do some netbooks with an Android/Windows dual install as do other PC manufacturers. OP will have to search for them though, and he WILL have driver issues.
Basically, if OP wanted an Android tablet, then OP should have bought an Android tablet.
Thank you for the answer, I just would like to know.
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^ Not completely correct. There ARE versions of Android that run on x86 architecture; Acer do some netbooks with an Android/Windows dual install as do other PC manufacturers. OP will have to search for them though, and he WILL have driver issues.
Basically, if OP wanted an Android tablet, then OP should have bought an Android tablet.
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+1 on the option to install android on a windows device. Although it's not common, it has been known to be accomplished, especially on an HTC device for example, as they have done this to 1 or 2 phones.
The big issue, is to find a dev that has managed to do this. And considering you have a "generic", no name tablet, I suspect there would not be a high interest in this. Especially now, when there are several low cost tablets to exploit, and the release of the source for ICS.
Shouldn't knock a person for buying a windows tab. At least it's a tab And... it ain't an Ipad
Heck, my wife yesterday, said she wanted a new ph for her birthday.... A Mozart 7!!!!!!!!
What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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Debian
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What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.
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What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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of course debian or at least just run windows 7 windows 8 is not PC friendly as much as windows 7 its a dev preview not even a beta yet so its not even worth keeping as a daily OS because march will come around and then youll need to install the beta
im not gonna be one of those ass holes and say its the wrong section lol but yeah dude watch out lucky this aint the android forum
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of course debian or at least just run windows 7 windows 8 is not PC friendly as much as windows 7 its a dev preview not even a beta yet so its not even worth keeping as a daily OS because march will come around and then youll need to install the beta
im not gonna be one of those ass holes and say its the wrong section lol but yeah dude watch out lucky this aint the android forum
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Yeah, thanks for not completely burning me but I use Windows 8 as my daily OS and even though I mostly post on the Android forums, I think I have some rights to post here right?
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Windows will never be faster than linux, especially on slower/older computers!
When it comes to net books.
I've found that
Linux is faster than windows 7 32 bit. 64 bit windows is terrible to run.
Windows 8 64 bit runs great almost as good as Ubuntu.
Both the net books I've installed this on are atom based and have maxed memory.
windows 8 is much lighter and quicker than the older versions of windows but i think linux still takes the cake this round but it is still just a dev preview that we are seeing now.
Windows V Linux
There is a lot of populous opinion being regurgitated here. I have to agree though that on older hardware Linux has a better chance of performing well but just like any OS if you want it to feel snappy you wont be able to load it with all of the bells and whistles that a new machine will support.
Beyond that I've done some evaluations between Windows and Linux, Ubuntu specifically. Using a couple of models of laptop ranging from 1-3 years old Windows 7 booted faster and consistently ran better/faster than the same pc on linux. We ran the test as side by side comparisons then switch OS's and reran the test.
These were all default installs with only drivers or applications being tested added where necessary.
Overall Windows required fewer clicks and less time to perform the tasks being tested. The only area where Ubuntu was a clear winner wan in a simpler install and setup process than windows. After that it either tied or lost to windows.
We didn't include cost or time to train in our evaluation.
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I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.
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Well yeah, vista is the worst system hog Microsoft has ever released.
Windows 8 supposedly is the lightest Os Microsoft has released in a long time. I've seen it work better on some computers than XP. Just my 2ยข
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I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.
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Well, Windows Vista was a hot mess, so I don't think that's a good metric
I've found that Windows 7 (and perhaps Windows 8, but it won't slim down enough to fit on my netbook) was much better at handling disk IO than Ubuntu. This was particularly important for my netbook, which has a very cheap 4gb SSD that locks up on writing. Windows XP and Ubuntu were about the same on this problem, Windows 7 seemed to understand that it needed no access time and a few other tweaks, and handled that right out of the box.
In your case, though, given the processor, I'd say Debian would probably run faster. If you want to do some anecdotal benchmarks, though, I'd be curious to see them.
Not really a fair question yet, as Win 8 is not even in beta yet....so none of us really know. I am sure that there is a significant amount of debugging loaded in the current Win 8 dev preview.
That being said, you mentioned old hardware. In that case I believe most responders are correct: debian/linux will likely run faster on that old hw.
I run win7 (re-installed win7 ultimate to get rid of asus bloatware) and ubuntu 11.04 on my Asus G53SX-A1 in dual boot. This laptop packs new hardware.
My observations:
Ubuntu with all graphical enhancements runs faster, and boots significantly quicker than win7. The installation of ubuntu was also quicker than that of windows.
Ubuntu picked pretty much all the hardware and with a few tweaks I got all laptop features working (function keys and all). Overall installation of "ubuntu 11.04 + tweaks and a couple of drivers (new wireless driver and newest binary nvidia drv from PPA" was half that of Windows 7 ultimate + all the drivers from cd and website.
I recently also switched from ubuntu to debian 6.0.3 on my fujitsu e8210 laptop and noticed that debian runs faster and more stable than ubuntu.
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Is it possible to dualboot?
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Bit of research into what hardware android runs on and what hardware is in the iconia w700 would have taken 5 minutes and returned a definite yes.
Android on x86 (with exception of clover trail) has always been possible. Thats alright as the core i3 and i5 CPU's available in the w700 are x86 CPU's.
Android is no different from any other OS so dual booting android and windows wont be any different from linux and windows.
Now, to actually run android on normal x86 hardware there are 2 major projects available.
The first is android-x86. http://www.android-x86.org/ It works alright for most systems. Its commonly used on laptops and desktops but works across just about any x86 computer.
The second (and the one I recommend in this case) is Android-IA. Also known as "Android On Intel Architecture". This is a project run by intel themselves to have android running on intel core i3 and i5 systems. https://01.org/android-ia/
I've an Acer Iconia W700 and I've tried android-x86 in "Live Mode" and into a Virtual Machine.
I don't like very muche Virtual Machine mode because it's very slow and because the touch experience is compromised. All touches are in fact replaced with the related movement of mouse arrow and it's very different.
Live Mode is better but it runs slow too.
I would like to have a dualboot with something like THIS or better.
Any help is appreciated.
m_pascal said:
I've an Acer Iconia W700 and I've tried android-x86 in "Live Mode" and into a Virtual Machine.
I don't like very muche Virtual Machine mode because it's very slow and because the touch experience is compromised. All touches are in fact replaced with the related movement of mouse arrow and it's very different.
Live Mode is better but it runs slow too.
I would like to have a dualboot with something like THIS or better.
Any help is appreciated.
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it states very clearly in that video that it is using android-x86
Ask him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lvdUjNQkD0 how he did it
Thank you.
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Ok, so basically what i am wondering is if the Dell venue [baytrail] tablets are able to upgrade their OS? I really want to purchase the Dell Venue 11 Pro but i am reluctant to because when reviewing it i discovered that it only comes with the 32-bit version of windows 8.1. I was surprised because i knew that the baytrail processor actually supports 64-bit operating systems. Its just that the current 64-bit windows 8.1 OS does not have working drivers that are compatible with the Dell venue pros :| . (How convenient for me).
Basically what i am hoping is to get an answer from a person who already owns one or knows a little bit more about it. Are the venue pros capable of having their operating system wiped and having anything installed on it? IE. Ubuntu, or some other linux distro? because if this is the case then that would mean once a driver comes out that supports baytrails processor for the 64-bit version that customers with already purchased tablets can easily re-install the 64-bit version.
Just to note, so far i talked to some people from dell but they said i could not upgrade the OS. So, now i am going to try my luck with the tech department. Im hoping they will know a lot more about this.
Also, the reason i am wanting this tablet is so that i can program on it as well as take notes for my classes. I am currently going for a computer engineering degree with the computer science route @ Texas A&M- College station.
If anything, if i get enough taxes back i will purchase the the i3 version or maybe the surface pro 2. Im not sure yet =_= but that is a discussion for another thread. (basically i would like to be able to run unity, or blender on the tablet, and i know those programs are to processor intensive to run on an atom processor)
Unity or blender, sounds like you would be better off skipping tablets and actually getting a laptop or bare minimum something like the aforementioned surface pro 2.
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Unity or blender, sounds like you would be better off skipping tablets and actually getting a laptop or bare minimum something like the aforementioned surface pro 2.
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I have actually thought of using a team viewer app so that i can connect to my desktop when wanting to deal with unity....im just not sure if team viewer will support touch input :S . As for the tablet i just want it to be capable on its own. The baytrail can run full windows application so if team viewer does not support touch throughput then maybe something else will. I also want a tablet that can be self capable of course. So far from what i have read, the CPU seems to be superior to all ARM processors. But, unfortunately the graphics are terrible when compared to the latest arms. So that is why i am also wondering. Should i wait till the end of 2014 to buy a cherry trial tablet?
Cherry trail will be the next generation in the atom processors that will have a faster cpu and will have 4 times the graphics cores... so hopefully up to 4 times the graphics capabilities which will put it well ahead of all current arm processors. Even the upcoming Snapdragon 805 processor!
the main downfalls for me that are preventing me from getting a Dell Venue pro 11 are three things. First, that its on 32-bit windows, second it only has 2GB of ram, and third that the graphics on the tablet are terrible!
So all that aside.... should i wait for the cherry trail version of the Dell venue 11 pro? or wait for the 64-bit version of the baytrail venue pro with upgraded ram comes out... (if it comes out)
Would it be possible to boot any of them? The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
I don't have a Nexus Player yet but I suppose it should be possible, specially a Linux distro by flashing a modified ramdisk and a simple distro, being able to use a Nexus Player as a fully fledged PC would increase my interest in buying one exponentially
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The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
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Where did you see a Moorefield SoC supporting Windows? I haven't seen anything about that.
But yeah, given that Android is Linux, it should probably be able to handle other distros, if somebody gets the drivers working.
Yeah I'm afraid of that as well, specially with that PowerVR , I still have fears of Poulsbo on my old Laptop.
There aren't any devices other than Android running Moorefield yet but Intel announced they have big plans for Windows in these chips as well, I don't know how it could be brung up with the bootloader setup that Google uses but remember it's still the Silvermont microarchitecture, also we could get libhybris working on x86 for GPU bringup if they don't make X11/Wayland drivers for the PowerVR GPU
Reviving old thread, hoping someone could point me how to start trying to boot a bare debian on the player, with the final target being to run steamos. Imagine that, dual booting android and steamos from a pendrive or even from a pxe server
I've tried most of the streamers, kinoni being half decent, remotr has performance issues. I'm on an amd card so moonlight is not an option, remotr supports amd vce but lags a lot on the player, I'm guessing optimization issues as it works great on my nexus 5. As valve plans to sell the steam streamer soon, my hopes for a valve provided, native steam in home streaming client are low.