EDIT: Despite what the CSR below told me, they do offer exchanges. You can do an 'advance return' where they will put a hold on your CC for the full amount of a new device, give you a code to buy a new one, and release the hold when they receive your old device so you're still only charged the original discounted amount. However, you can not exchange a discounted Moto X for one of the new Bamboo ones (read here)
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I've been looking into the details on exchanging a custom Moto X and was just told via chat that they do not do true "exchanges". Rather, they just have you return the phone, refund you, and have you buy another. So you wouldn't be able to get an exchanged one with the $150 discount. Here's the transcript.
Desiree: Hi, my name is Desiree. How may I help you?
Me: I have a question about the 14 day exchange policy
Me: I am planning on buying a device tonight with the $150 off promotion
Desiree: I will be more than happy to assist you on this.
Desiree: Go ahead, please.
Me: If I don't like my design and want to exchange it within the 14 day window, will I still be able to get a redesigned device at the discounted price?
Desiree: My apologies, the $150 off promotion will not be applicable to the exchange device,
Me: Ok so then you don't really offer exchanges, just returns?
Desiree: My apologies about this but that is how it works.
Me: ok thank you
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However, Motorola Support's twitter contradicts what this CSR said:
https://twitter.com/MotorolaSupport/status/412766868240220160.
detonation said:
The Moto X exchange policy listed on the site says:
I've been looking into the details on this, and apparently they don't really do a true "exchange". Rather, they just have you return the phone, refund you, and have you buy another. The one re-design mentioned above applies to when you buy it on contract and get a Moto Maker PIN (in that case, you send the phone back and they give you a new PIN rather than a refund). I just confirmed all this in chat:
So if you don't like your design or were hoping to switch it out for a wood one (if they come out in the next 2 weeks), you're going to have to pay full price for the new one.
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Good to know! Just ordered a phone for my brother, hopefully he will not be disappointed with his choices, hahaha.
We here's the real fact if you happen to get a defective one. They do an advance return if you choose it. They are authorize your card just like the nexus exchange after they send you a link to a new build with the same specs (you customize it but it locks in whatever memory config and model you chose before). They then go ahead and build your replacement and ship it. After they receive the return (that they pay to ship back!) They will remove the charge for the new device... Or the authorization. So really, with defects you don't lose out on your deal. I don't know about voluntary returns... But with defects, I'm in the process of it right now and paid the initial order with a coupon.
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Updated the OP, it's possible that that CSR was wrong as their twitter states you can exchange it (likely via the method mentioned above). Eitherway, it's annoying their own support can't give consistent answers.
Yeah, I suspect that you can get it exchanged and that their support is either confused or misinformed.
They state that you can exchange your device. Whatever internal process they use for that is not your problem: an exchange is an exchange, and it should result in zero dollars being paid.
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They state that you can exchange your device. Whatever internal process they use for that is not your problem: an exchange is an exchange, and it should result in zero dollars being paid.
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I strongly suspect that since I've unlocked my Tmo bootloader, I'm stuck with no chance of exchange.
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I strongly suspect that since I've unlocked my Tmo bootloader, I'm stuck with no chance of exchange.
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Well, maybe, but that has nothing to do with the Cyber Monday deal - which was the original question.
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Yeah, I suspect that you can get it exchanged and that their support is either confused or misinformed.
They state that you can exchange your device. Whatever internal process they use for that is not your problem: an exchange is an exchange, and it should result in zero dollars being paid.
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They would not do an exchange for me when I had camera issues. I was told their process is to return the unit either for repair or refund, no exchanges.
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They would not do an exchange for me when I had camera issues. I was told their process is to return the unit either for repair or refund, no exchanges.
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What, exactly, does that have to do with exchanging a Motomaker device for a different color?
Motorola explicitly states that they will exchange a device within 14 days for a different color configuration. The point is that it doesn't matter how Motorola looks at an "exchange" - any discounts to the original sale would still apply.
My advice: don't waste your time with the chat reps.
As Jayrod said, they do exchanges. What they do is they send you a new "special pin" through email that lets you re-order on MotoMaker (you input the pin at the end). This can be accomplished without a charge on your CC (they give you two options: advance replacement, or regular replacement).
You can replace OR refund even if it is not defective and if you just don't like the colors and even if you open the factory sealed box.
Well the Moto FAQ on the Bamboo back has answered the question a lot of people have been wondering:
I purchased a Moto X from Moto Maker using the a holiday promotion code. Can I switch it to a Moto X with Bamboo?
If your phone falls within our return period, you can return it for a refund of the original purchase price and re-purchase a Moto X with Bamboo. However, the Holiday discount you received will not apply.
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Well the Moto FAQ on the Bamboo back has answered the question a lot of people have been wondering:
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Yikes... so then, it's $250 more for Bamboo. Your head would have to be made of wood to exchange for the wood phone.
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Yikes... so then, it's $250 more for Bamboo. Your head would have to be made of wood to exchange for the wood phone.
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Pretty much. Maybe if the phone had a Snapdragon 800 and a much better camera I would do it because the phone would be a little more future proof. As it is though, I doubt I'll keep this phone much more than 6 months and definitely not more than a year. As good as the phone is, there is plenty of room for improvement and if I was paying $250 for wood, I wouldn't want the phone to become outdated as quickly as this might.
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Pretty much. Maybe if the phone had a Snapdragon 800 and a much better camera I would do it because the phone would be a little more future proof. As it is though, I doubt I'll keep this phone much more than 6 months and definitely not more than a year. As good as the phone is, there is plenty of room for improvement and if I was paying $250 for wood, I wouldn't want the phone to become outdated as quickly as this might.
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I agree.
If this phone had the latest and greatest then I can see shelling out that much for a Bamboo back. The Snapdragon 800 should last you a long time into the future. It's too expensive for me is all I'll say. Someone out there will definitely want a phone with a natural back even at the price it commands. I'm sure the process to make these type of backs was very complicated, but it would had made sense to have these out from release date. Hopefully the next version of this phone isn't too far off. The concept of it is really awesome and even with now mid range specs the experience is truly amazing.
I don't see the Moto's X specs being a hindrance to moving forward to next year. Slow down? Maybe a bit, but not too much as to say you will want to scrap it right away. After all the X8 chip is something done right.
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I don't see the Moto's X specs being a hindrance to moving forward to next year. Slow down? Maybe a bit, but not too much as to say you will want to scrap it right away. After all the X8 chip is something done right.
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I agree!
I think everyone is needlessly scared about the specs on this device. I just purchased a Moto X and have been using it for 2 weeks now, and have seen no reason to believe it will be out of date before the 1 year mark of my ownership. You really cannot compare the Moto X to other smartphones out right now. It's doing at least two things that no other phone is doing (touchless control, always listening and the active notifications), and it was built with those features in mind. That "crappy" 720p AMOLED screen is such that it is because if you went with a 1080p AMOLED or LCD screen, it would blow through your battery. The "slow" dual core processor runs the OS just fine, and the other CPUs handle the special features instead of the main CPU. Have naysayers actually used the Moto X and compared it to the Nexus 5 (arguable the best comparison of KitKat vs KitKat)? I have. I see absolutely NO performance difference between the Moto X and the Nexus 5, based on things I actually do day-to-day (none of these silly numbers only benchmarks that don't really give you a real representation of how the phone will perform for you).
From a financial perspective, maybe at this point, sure - be skeptical about if it's worth the money to get one, or just wait until September to purchase the next iteration. Then again, if you wait even longer, something even better will be out.
Not being made of money, I have started just purchasing the device that I think is the best device available to me at the time and sticking with it for a year (or longer, if it keeps performing well, and nothing else at that time interests me). Any "flagship" device that you purchase right this minute should last you one year just fine, even if it's already 6 months old. The Moto X should perform just fine until at least next October when we can start thinking about the next big update to Android.
Anyone had luck getting them to do an advance exchange on a dev edition?
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I agree!
I think everyone is needlessly scared about the specs on this device. I just purchased a Moto X and have been using it for 2 weeks now, and have seen no reason to believe it will be out of date before the 1 year mark of my ownership. You really cannot compare the Moto X to other smartphones out right now. It's doing at least two things that no other phone is doing (touchless control, always listening and the active notifications), and it was built with those features in mind. That "crappy" 720p AMOLED screen is such that it is because if you went with a 1080p AMOLED or LCD screen, it would blow through your battery. The "slow" dual core processor runs the OS just fine, and the other CPUs handle the special features instead of the main CPU. Have naysayers actually used the Moto X and compared it to the Nexus 5 (arguable the best comparison of KitKat vs KitKat)? I have. I see absolutely NO performance difference between the Moto X and the Nexus 5, based on things I actually do day-to-day (none of these silly numbers only benchmarks that don't really give you a real representation of how the phone will perform for you).
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Very well stated and I agree. I have been bouncing around all of the flagships of late (N5, G2, HTC One) and finally landed on X. I am surprised at how peppy it is and do not notice any difference in performance next to the N5. Now I don't game at all on my phones but for everyday use the X is fantastic. I like the features and the fact that I can be rooted and still under warranty. Also I love that I don't have to obsess over roms like I was on the N5 and HTC One. Go Moto!!!! Obey Google Now!
How long does it take them to refund you after you send it back?
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Very well stated and I agree. I have been bouncing around all of the flagships of late (N5, G2, HTC One) and finally landed on X. I am surprised at how peppy it is and do not notice any difference in performance next to the N5. Now I don't game at all on my phones but for everyday use the X is fantastic. I like the features and the fact that I can be rooted and still under warranty. Also I love that I don't have to obsess over roms like I was on the N5 and HTC One. Go Moto!!!! Obey Google Now!
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I was SO READY for a device that just WORKED. One that I didn't feel obligated to unlock, root, and flash a ROM every other weekend to keep it updated with the developer's bug fixes, because it lacked features I wanted or had a terrible OEM skin on it. I haven't even considered rooting my Moto X. Finally, a device from a manufacturer with a UI that's just barely kissed by OEM features, and features that are actually relevant. Coupled with the fact that Motorola usually has the best radios? I'm sold on "good guy Moto" again.
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Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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Not sure if anyone is interested but the nexus s for at&t, sprint, and t mobile is free today only on 2 year contract at best buy.
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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.
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Also for upgrades, I was really tempted but I rather wait for Nexus 3 or what ever Nokia and MS brings to the table.
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I am also really tempted but kinda wanna wait till the Nexus 3 as well. Very tempting though...
Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Heh, this is why I haven't signed a new contract in years. They'd force me to a plan that is $20-$25 a month more expensive (plus they don't even have unlimited data any more. I'm grandfathered in on unlimited). Over the course of a contract, it's cheaper to buy a phone out right then pay the high contract price and get even a completely "free" phone.
yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.
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yawn..
This is how successful the Nexus S was: now they're giving them away. If it came cheap without a contract, I'd go pick one up. Nope, still rather have my N1.
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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.
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Tell you the truth I think the N1 was a flop for Google they wanted to move units like the Iphone and have their own Web store that idea went down the drain. they didn't know how to market the Nexus One to normal consumers after few months they wanted to sell it on mobile stores for people to see and test that never happen. finally it slowly faded away to just be a developer phone, I think this time Google wanted a company like best buy to do the whole process and have exclusivity if Goole would of thought of this we would still see the Nexus One being sold for free etc etc.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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Difference between google and apple is google is web base company people don't think of them as a software company for the same reason people had trouble knowing about android until verizon put the Droid stamp on. Googles marketing is too geeky for normal consumers 1ghz what? 2 speakers for noise cancellation what? Apples marketing twice as fast as your 3gs, Better graphics for Gaming, our top of the line speaker for calls period.
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Problem I have, is that a new contract costs 20 bucks more a month for the same plan.over 2 years, that's 480 bucks.its only worth it if I can keep the same plan.
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Yup, the math never works out. If you can actually keep a phone for two years and buy it without a contract you usually break even before two years, at least I did with my N1 although I bought a pair of those off Craig's List for $350 each.
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Yeah. The Nexus One is unknown to the common folk.
I'll get asked what phone I have and tell them a Nexus One. The response is always, with out fail, "A Nexus what?"
I kind of like having a phone no one else really has though.
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When I tell them that I have a Nexus One, they ask "Is that a droid phone?" I have to admit that most of the common folk associate the Motorola Droid commercials with Android phones. Those were pretty cool I must admit, but I'd never go with an NS over my N1. May be the TMo Hercules when it comes out, but nothing else has been enough of a jump in technology to make me move.
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I think you're exactly right. The experiment that was the N1 was, in essence, a failure. Google may be big, but they don't have the computing experience Apple has. Apple users were already wishing for an iPhone product; but no one was hoping Google would release a phone. But this is what makes the N1 such a gem: it's been a completely underground developer's dream. The NS found itself in an odd place and was really to the N1 as the iPhone 3GS was to the 3G.
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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...
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I am not sure I completely agree with this. To me, the NS was more of a sidestep than an actual upgrade over the N1. Sure, it had a bit faster processor and more flash, but there was no micro-sdcard slot and no notification led. I think they traded off some important features and put different ones in (and NFC implementation isn't widespread enough for me to consider it a feature just yet). Both phones are great, but I think I would still prefer my N1 over an NS.
And while the original thought behind the N1 and the webstore might've fallen short of what google expected, the N1 itself was considered a success by google (although the webstore was considered a failure). Why? Because they wanted to present to the world what phones could be capable of. 1GHz processors, 512MB of RAM... Essentially, they wanted to kickstart the "superphone" craze, which as you can now tell, was extremely successful. I mean, N1s are over 18 months old, but they still hold their own. Sure there are fancier and faster phones out there, but in a fast-paced enviornment like smartphones, it is pretty impressive that people are still considering buying an 18+ month old phone (and are extremely happy when they get it).
I do think the NS was an attempt at kickstarting the NFC (and to make the phone more retail/consumer friendly vs more of a niche/developer phone that the N1 was). I am hoping the N3 will be another push for new hardware and that it will be a true upgrade (in every sense - I am really hoping for another cardock and trackball) instead of a partial upgrade in some areas, but downgrades in others...
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I own both the NS & N1 and I use the NS much more than the N1 for 2 reasons:
1) NS has a much brighter, larger, responsive screen
2) NS has more storage space (I'm aware of simple2ext)
As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
Not having notification LED sucks terribly though and I hope the iPhone 5 has one so Android OEMs will start adding them again..
It all depends on the user. Depending on what you use the phone for they could either be very similar or it could be considered a huge improvement.
I totally agree. Each user is different. My thoughts were my personal opinion. For me, it is necessary to have an sdcard slot so I can have my 32GB micro-sdcard installed (since mine is consistently sitting at 2GB or less freespace). I just wish that the NS was a total upgrade over the N1 rather than a partial one. I am really hoping that the N3 will quench my thirst for a new Nexus device.
I didn't realize all the stuff you can do with the NFC tags, so I will definitely be looking forward to that in a future phone.
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As far as NFC is concerned, sure it's not widespread but that doesn't matter. You can very cheaply purchase your own NFC tags and use this app NFC Task Launcher developed by an XDA member to basically do any function (it has Tasker support). I have a tag setup on my work desk that turns the phones screen off when I set it down. People put them in their cars as well. Very, very handy.
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That is an AWESOME use of NFC. I always thought it was just a gimmick, but the ability to place tags in places like that is pretty cool. Place one in the bosses office so that tasker puts your phone on vibrate when you walk in!
I'll be getting either the supposedly "blue" HTC One or the Moto X on Verizon by the end of this month. We all know the Moto X is slightly underspecced compared to the One but supposedly it's got a massive slew of new features and the PRICE tag equivalent to a dollar menu item at McDonalds compared to a Big Mac; assuming that you can get it from Google Play for Verizon. (Sorry for the run-on sentence)
Here's what will make or break my decision.
If the Moto X does these, I will not buy:
Lag: I will not tolerate anything less than buttery smooth like the HTC One
Camera: If the rear camera is a complete waste like the Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 camera.
Bad Battery life: I assume based on battery size and slower processor that this thing will have admirable battery life, but you never know
Quiet Speakers: This one is 50/50. If the external speaker(s) suck big time then I won't buy. But if it's at least as good as the iPhone5 then I will hold nothing against it.
Low Storage: I haven't read everything there is to know about it yet but this thing needs to have 32gb storage minimum, whether it's internal or achieved by an SD card, I don't care. It just needs to happen. I'm sitting at 4gb remaining as it is with my silver HTC One, lol.
Bad Screen: Here's the major kicker. I've read the rumors that the X will have 312ppi and our One's are rocking an incredible 468ppi. That's normally an indication of how great the screen will be in real life. If the screen looks obviously worse, then I'm going to just grab the Verizon HTC One and call it a day.
Feel free to add any other things that would make or break your decision between these phones. All the while keeping in mind that the X is a few hundred dollars cheaper.
You know as much as we do, why compare.
Keep in mind the One is also likely 2x the cost of the X, if the rumors hold true - so hopefully the One is better in most of those categories.
My opinion is this, it won't sound as good as the One due to the boomsound speakers, but I could live without them.
Same with PPI of over 450, there's basically zero difference over 300, so again, a wash for me.
Honestly, if the bootloader is unlocked and the battery is decent (better than the One), I'll probably switch to the X.
I hear the software optimizations are awesome on it as well.
I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.
"Who wants to be a fireman?"
Why not add that to your ridiculous poll?
lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:
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lol it is $200 on contract for AT&T (probably similar for Verizon). You can just get the One for the same price :laugh:
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Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,
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Yeah that just sealed the deal for me. What a flop. Looks like a blue One will be it,
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And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive
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And i think i read that the 32 gb will be AT&T exclusive
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As will the customizations.
I really had high hopes for this thing.
Hyped product is hyped.
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Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel
Man. And here I thought it would be a play device that would replace the nexus 4. Guess not. Although the notification system and the google now thing is pretty cool. I want that on my One.
Edit: I guess it will be released as a dev/unlocked device, but doubt the price would be anywhere near $300 if it's contract price is $250.
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Boo, motorola dropped the ball from the sounds of it.
Definitely no reason to get it over the One, IMO. (Unless you really want to talk to your phone when it sleeps :angel
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Agreed
Honestly, an HTC One Mini sounds better than Moto X.
What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.
Dual core vs quad core you decide.
IMO this is a huge mistake from Moto.
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What's hilarious is Motorola Mobility (a company owned by Google) won't be shipping the X with Android 4.3. Fragmentation is so bad on the Android platform that even a cell phone manufacturer owned by Google itself can't even get the latest version of Android on its own phones. I'm sure the US cell phone carriers are responsible, since it's coming out on all 4 major carriers. I'm not complaining or anything (4.3 is a relatively minor upgrade), I just think it's funny.
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I agree that it is stupid that this phone doesn't ship with 4.3. You would think Motorola would've been the first company to receive an early final build of 4.3. IMO if anyone wants this phone just wait until they release the Google Play version of it (if it doesn't have 4.3 then that would be pathetic)
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I have waited months for the HTC One to come to Verizon I will not to turn back now. But really Moto X is a mid range phone, I want the best.
Too be honest, I am a little conflicted
Motorola should be commended for allowing customization on their phones (even if its just aesthetics). In my opinion every company should do this.
The specification are considered mid-range, for specification buffs this is disconcerning (and most of us here are spec buffs) but my question how much does it matter? My brothers Nexus 4 runs just as smooth as my HTC One and it has a slower processor. Dual Core vs. Quad Core, how many apps actually use all the cores?
720p vs. 1080p this will depend on if you can tell the difference. This is what I tell people when they compare screens, if you can't tell the difference there is no point of spending that extra money. The 720p def will save battery and allow the phone to run faster (less resources diverted to run the 1080p screen)
Active Display and Touchless Control do add unique functionality. Touchless Control will be really useful when driving. Active Display is definitely a good way to handle notifications and may increase battery life.
Price being the same gives the HTC One a huge advantage though. If the unlocked version is around the same price as the Nexus 4 then it could be worth it. But its somewhat unlikely since its made in the US (our minimum wage is $7.50 an hour while the workers in China usually get $1.50 an hour. HUGE difference here)
Though I feel Motorola is heading in the right direction. If they add options to customize CPU, RAM, Screen...etc. (which they can definitely do with their new Texas factory) or even options for different material panels (I know they are prototyping wooden backs at the moment) this will go somewhere. Price is the biggest problem right now and to be honest I'm not sure how they will be able to solve it.
I love the X, at the price point though I'd rather buy the One.
I think a lot of people feel the same way, but I certainly hope it succeeds anyway.
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I personally don't see a reason to consider the X if the One is within your budget. Sure the X may be better bang for the buck but I wouldn't settle for decent when I can afford great.
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I'm sure many were like me, and after the announcement the 6P sounded amazing and you knew that if you didn't order it right away it would likely be sold out for months. Now that some time has past and we've seen some hands on, are you still going to keep your pre-order or cancel and wait for more reviews or a price drop?
I have the G4 currently and I keep going back and forth. If I was in the market for either the 6P would be the clear winner, but the fact that I have to sell my G4 and likely take a ~$200 hit on the swap, it makes me think twice.
I don't mean this to sound rude, but I fear it might come off a bit rude, but this is kind of a dumb question, if you ordered it, you should have only ordered it if you wanted it. Nothing has happened since it was released that makes it any less desirable, so why would people cancel? I saw the announcement live and watched hands on before I ordered, I knew what I was getting when I clicked order.
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I don't mean this to sound rude, but I fear it might come off a bit rude, but this is kind of a dumb question, if you ordered it, you should have only ordered it if you wanted it. Nothing has happened since it was released that makes it any less desirable, so why would people cancel? I saw the announcement live and watched hands on before I ordered, I knew what I was getting when I clicked order.
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No i agree, op sounds ignorant. To the op you wont feel the way you do if you made a conscious and educated purchase. sounds like you may have made an emotional buy.
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No i agree, op sounds ignorant. To the op you wont feel the way you do if you made a conscious and educated purchase. sounds like you may have made an emotional buy.
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If you read my post, you'll see that's exactly what I said. During the announcement they talk up all these features to make you really want the device, and then when pre-orders opened up right afterwards you had to make a choice whether to buy it then or potentially wait months if the previous Nexus launches followed the same path this time.
The leaks on this device were more geysers than drips. In other words, everyone already knew everything, and the presentation was just confirmation. Even then, you had nearly an hour (from the time they stopped talking about Nexus) before you could really pre-order, giving everyone plenty of time to think about it first. Emotional impulse-buys were probably very minimal.
Op, not a bad question. I made an educated decision before I pulled the trigger on my pre order. I watched every Hands on video on YouTube, read as much as I could. I knew before hand that there was no wireless charging (metal body?) , no OSI and fast charging is questionable. So I know what I'm getting into and the n6p still sounds compelling!
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Wait.. What. Why would anyone cancel their order? I was blown away by the release, and even moreso after the reddit AMA
the poll says it all
The features they "talked" up at the presentation seem to be panning out nicely in the hands on reviews. No foreseeable reason to cancel.
I buy and sell phones quite often, I actually am returning the iPhone 6s that I got to see what it was like (it was horrible haha). I was just curious if anyone else was like me where they buy phones on impulse and if any had already cancelled their orders.
Im giving the MS 950XL a chance to win my business, but pretty sure I'll keep the 6P at this point.
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I buy and sell phones quite often, I actually am returning the iPhone 6s that I got to see what it was like (it was horrible haha). I was just curious if anyone else was like me where they buy phones on impulse and if any had already cancelled their orders.
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I think cancelling a pre-order is very different from buying a phone only to see how it works. The former does not really impact the selling cost and margin manufacturers have to add to recoup that cost. The latter does.
In the specific case of the 6P I don't think a person is "ignorant" for canceling a pre-order. Yes, Google provided quite a bit of information about the 6P. But, since release there have been legitimate questions about the quality of the panel, the quality of the camera, etc. Also, between release and when it starts shipping, other phones have and will come out.
Definitely, the 6P is the way to go for most of the people who've pre-ordered. Great for them. But that does not mean people who end up canceling are demonstrating their ignorance.
i hope all the 64gb graphite users cancel so I get mine sooner
geoff5093 said:
I buy and sell phones quite often, I actually am returning the iPhone 6s that I got to see what it was like (it was horrible haha). I was just curious if anyone else was like me where they buy phones on impulse and if any had already cancelled their orders.
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What's your opinion on the 3d touch feature? I haven't been able to find an unbiased opinion on it. Most people over at /r/Apple think it's the greatest thing ever.
geoff5093 said:
I'm sure many were like me, and after the announcement the 6P sounded amazing and you knew that if you didn't order it right away it would likely be sold out for months. Now that some time has past and we've seen some hands on, are you still going to keep your pre-order or cancel and wait for more reviews or a price drop?
I have the G4 currently and I keep going back and forth. If I was in the market for either the 6P would be the clear winner, but the fact that I have to sell my G4 and likely take a ~$200 hit on the swap, it makes me think twice.
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I get what you meant when you said that you had to order it right away.
I thought it was going to sell out in like 30 seconds so I said buy now and think about it later. Which I have done now and decided to stick with my decision. So far the initial impressions look good. Waiting for a full review from MHBHD, Android Authority and Pocket now which will probably take another month I'm guessing.
Coming from a Moto X Pure btw
I got it from Amazon with prime so I can keep returning it until I get the N6P
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What's your opinion on the 3d touch feature? I haven't been able to find an unbiased opinion on it. Most people over at /r/Apple think it's the greatest thing ever.
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I bought a 6s Plus to give it a trial run, since my Nexus 6 busted and needed a device. I like to float between android and iOS.
The 3D Touch is actually kind of fun. Once it becomes more used in apps by developers, I can see it having a lot of power. It does feel very intuitive and gives a good flow to using the device. I will give it to Apple on the 3D Touch and A9 chip. The "Live Photos" thing is okay, doesn't work as fully advertised. If you have kids or pets you always photograph, then I can see it being useful, but Google introduced their version during the 6p launch with Burst Photos. Hope this helps.
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I'm sure many were like me, and after the announcement the 6P sounded amazing and you knew that if you didn't order it right away it would likely be sold out for months. Now that some time has past and we've seen some hands on, are you still going to keep your pre-order or cancel and wait for more reviews or a price drop?
I have the G4 currently and I keep going back and forth. If I was in the market for either the 6P would be the clear winner, but the fact that I have to sell my G4 and likely take a ~$200 hit on the swap, it makes me think twice.
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Long time no see buddy. From the Dell Streak 7 days?!? =)
Or I could be mistaken.
I did the same thing. Buy it now and think more later.
For reasons like my previous bad experience with another Nexus device , including becoming a flashing whore. Thirsty for ROMs and spend way too much time doing non meaningful stuff. Sometimes a little curb on playing toys aint a bad thing
Plus 128GB 6p is quite expensive, after I saw closer my current credit card bill.
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i hope all the 64gb graphite users cancel so I get mine sooner
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Hopefully I helped you or someone get their 64GB graphite sooner!
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I bought a 6s Plus to give it a trial run, since my Nexus 6 busted and needed a device. I like to float between android and iOS.
The 3D Touch is actually kind of fun. Once it becomes more used in apps by developers, I can see it having a lot of power. It does feel very intuitive and gives a good flow to using the device. I will give it to Apple on the 3D Touch and A9 chip. The "Live Photos" thing is okay, doesn't work as fully advertised. If you have kids or pets you always photograph, then I can see it being useful, but Google introduced their version during the 6p launch with Burst Photos. Hope this helps.
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3d touch is nothing new.... Android has had this feature for years. The difference is Apple's is hardware based, and Android is software. Most developers don't take advantage of it but it's there...
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Just cancelled my 6p 128gb graphite w/ Nexus Protect. The biggest reasons were 6p's band 12 would need T-Mobile's certification, and even if certified band 12 might not give the improvements that I hoped for. I pre-ordered b/c I was afraid that 6p would get sold out. But then I found it hard to justify $800 when my OPO is still plenty fast and a new N6 64gb can be had for $370.
I'm looking to change phones. I currently have a rooted HTC One M8 running FluentRom 6.0 (I know there are new versions, but if something's working for me I don't obsess about updating it), have had it for right at 2 years. I love the phone, actually am not tired of it, again I never have really been hung up on always having the newest and flashiest and most updated. However, I use the phone in my job, more specifically I use the camera a lot in my job, and as most people are aware the M8 is shooting a short stick there. So I need to upgrade.
I also use Selectel, a Verizon MVNO. I've toyed with the idea of maybe switching to a GSM carrier, because it's a lot easier to find phones, but I'm sticking with Big Red for now.
I'm looking at the Moto X Style because (a.) it's 16 months newer than the M8; (b.) it's unlocked and will work with Verizon; (c.) it has expandable storage which is an absolute must for me; (d.) it can be rooted although it's pretty close to stock Android, and I might even let it alone to be able to get Google Pay; (e.) rugged cases are available for it, and that's an absolute prerequisite for me, I'm a klutz and know it, and I can't afford to be breaking phones all the time; and (f.) it's reasonably sized, although being of small stature and having especially small hands, this probably is the absolute top end on the size of a phone that I can handle. I'm not interested in the 6P, besides lacking expandable storage it's just too freaking big. I also still wear my phone in a belt pouch, I know that's nerdy and old-fashioned but it just "works" for me, and there's no way I can wear what's practically a tablet on my belt.
So, point blank ... is it still worth buying this phone in 2017, with the expectation of getting a couple of years' use out of it?
My other option is the HTC 10.
No! In hindsight it wasn't worth buying in 2016, nevermind 2017!!
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No! In hindsight it wasn't worth buying in 2016, nevermind 2017!!
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Specifics why? Not looking to be contentious or doubting, just wanting info to make educated decision. Last two phones have been HTC, no issues staying there especially with better camera in 10, just seems like X Style is lot of phone for the money.
For MSRP the Moto G 4 Plus has a better price. 4 GB RAM, snappy as hell CPU, more than passable screen, fingerprint sensor, official Nougat... But as-is this phone is still plenty viable for some time, it truly is a beauty.
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For MSRP the Moto G 4 Plus has a better price. 4 GB RAM, snappy as hell CPU, more than passable screen, fingerprint sensor, official Nougat... But as-is this phone is still plenty viable for some time, it truly is a beauty.
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I don't think Moto G 4 plus will work on Verizon though, unless that situation has changed recently.
I just bought one myself and got it Sat delivery from Amazon. I can't say I'm overly impressed by it but it is a nice device.I too also have a VZW M8 that I put in the drawer for a backup.I will give this Pure a couple weeks and will probably move it to my backup device and use my Moto Z as my daily.
First impressions of the Pure were that it's worthy of a go even though I think Moto is going to abandon it sooner than they are telling everyone.
Nope. It has terrible battery life, no fingerprint scanner. Stock software isn't impressive either.
It's not that bad especially when it's so cheap now. Sure battery life isn't impressive but it gets me through a day without issues.
Got this device 2 months ago when it was on sale
It did indeed met my expectations... However, there are better options out there for the same price. like the LG V10.
Poor battery life and lack of fingerprint scanner are the main disadvantages. Unless you're a fan of Motorola or truly in love with the phone's looks, there are better choices on the market now.
V10 is attractive but is too big. As noted, Moto X Style is probably the absolute top end as far as size that I can handle in a phone. I'd probably do better sizewise with the HTC 10 but was thinking Style offers more bang for buck enough to at least try something a bit larger. Also I never buy new, anything I get will be off Swappa.
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Is this phone still worth buying in 2017?
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Answer: Depends what you are paying for it...
If it's much over $300 or so, nope, not worth it at all... the dated, poorly designed SOC, lack of support from Lenovo, and poor battery life detract too much from the positives.
At $240-$300, maybe worth it if the beautiful display, good camera, and other features offset the negatives for you.
If you can get it for $230-$240 or less, then yeah, it's probably worth it.
That said, MWC2017 starts tomorrow and we fully expect to see at least 5-6 major device announcements, maybe more since there is usually a surprise or two at these events. Look for info on the new Nokia devices and Moto G5 that could be interesting, and we could see other possibilities from HTC, Alcatel, and Huawei.
In other words, unless you need a phone now, I would wait at least a week or two and see what happens.
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I don't think Moto G 4 plus will work on Verizon though, unless that situation has changed recently.
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The G 4 line always worked on Verizon. My dad uses it and Motorola advertise it plenty.
1. Would not pay a penny more than current going Swappa price for a Moto X Style.
2. Research I've done here and elsewhere indicates that G4 line doesn't work consistently on Big Red, it works for some folks, is a nightmare for others who are stuck on 3G.. I'm an "I want it to work right out of the box without having to tweak" guy as far as the basic phone functions, looking for a sure thing.
Basically, I want something with a better camera than the M8, rootable or close to stock Android, with an SD card slot, that is not one micrometer larger than the Moto X Style, again that is absolute, non-negotiable top end on phone size for me, that will work on Big Red's network. With those choices, my options are I know slightly limited.
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1. Would not pay a penny more than current going Swappa price for a Moto X Style.
2. Research I've done here and elsewhere indicates that G4 line doesn't work consistently on Big Red, it works for some folks, is a nightmare for others who are stuck on 3G.. I'm an "I want it to work right out of the box without having to tweak" guy as far as the basic phone functions, looking for a sure thing.
Basically, I want something with a better camera than the M8, rootable or close to stock Android, with an SD card slot, that is not one micrometer larger than the Moto X Style, again that is absolute, non-negotiable top end on phone size for me, that will work on Big Red's network. With those choices, my options are I know slightly limited.
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You pretty much answered your own question. If you need a phone now the Pure/Style is the way to go unless you are willing to look at a carrier branded phone. There are very few phones out that reliably support both GSM and CDMA.
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You pretty much answered your own question. If you need a phone now the Pure/Style is the way to go unless you are willing to look at a carrier branded phone. There are very few phones out that reliably support both GSM and CDMA.
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Leaning that way, although I'm not in need of a phone THIS VERY SECOND so I might hold on a bit longer and just look, basically was seeking input here because community for this phone seems pretty vibrant. As noted I use a Verizon MVNO, I use an MVNO for the same reason I like rooted phones, I'm a control freak and hell will freeze over before I ever sign a phone contract with anyone else, ever again. I'm looking to stick with Big Red in the short term. Could change in the long term. FYI current Swappa prices about 200 for 32 gb, 250 for 64 gb.
I love MXP front stereo speakers.
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Leaning that way, although I'm not in need of a phone THIS VERY SECOND so I might hold on a bit longer and just look, basically was seeking input here because community for this phone seems pretty vibrant. As noted I use a Verizon MVNO, I use an MVNO for the same reason I like rooted phones, I'm a control freak and hell will freeze over before I ever sign a phone contract with anyone else, ever again. I'm looking to stick with Big Red in the short term. Could change in the long term. FYI current Swappa prices about 200 for 32 gb, 250 for 64 gb.
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New prices are only about $50 more than that... Worth it for warranty, and to be honest rooting is of less and less use as Android gets better and better.
Got mines for 200, so for me great phone, I'm actively trying to make a custom kernel (I mad one for the Moto E), but at the moment having big issues getting it to boot so as soon as i figure it out I want to increase battery life. As far as battery life, since owning the phone only 2 weeks i tried many Roms and the only one with decent battery life is Slim 7, coming from a Moto E LTE it was my fav rom also.
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New prices are only about $50 more than that... Worth it for warranty, and to be honest rooting is of less and less use as Android gets better and better.
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Gives me something to consider. Like I said, just looking for input and have gotten a lot. As far as Swappa prices though, in a lot of cases that's including an Otterbox, installed glass screen protector or other accessories. Last three phone purchases have been from there, quite satisfied with the results so I always look there first for deals before trying to buy new.
I just came across this deal with Bestbuy. It would lower the month rate for the 128gb version by $4.17 per month. Nothing be done or traded in. Still have the option for up to $300 on a trade in.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10652288-s...-in-for-pixel-2-verizon?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
https://slickdeals.net/?adobeRef=1e...ne-just-black-verizon/6099996.p?skuId=6099996
S8 S8+ and Note 8 are $250 off though.....in Bestbuy
I did this. No problems at all. Happy to get away from an LG G5 and to the Pixel 2.
Thanks for posting this! Think I'll be headed over to best buy today, was going to jump on the Pixel 2 anyway, I'll take the extra $100 break. Wish my Nexus 6 was trade in eligible.
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Thanks for posting this! Think I'll be headed over to best buy today, was going to jump on the Pixel 2 anyway, I'll take the extra $100 break. Wish my Nexus 6 was trade in eligible.
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according to Google, your phone is worth $70 for trade in (although, $100 off at best buy is better). on swappa, it's going for $135+
Interesting thanks for the info. I'll have to check out swappa!
FYI my local best buy didn't have stock on the Pixel 2. They got 2 in (yes two) and they were sold before they ever hit the floor with no ETA for more. Gave up and went to the Verizon store and they had plenty. Paid more but have a shiny new phone now. They said no trade value for the Nexus 6.
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Interesting thanks for the info. I'll have to check out swappa!
FYI my local best buy didn't have stock on the Pixel 2. They got 2 in (yes two) and they were sold before they ever hit the floor with no ETA for more. Gave up and went to the Verizon store and they had plenty. Paid more but have a shiny new phone now. They said no trade value for the Nexus 6.
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interesting. wish you did not boot up... folks on the other thread are trying to see if you can unlock the bootloader by leaving the SIM card OUT before the initial boot.
personally, I plan on waiting until black friday/cyber monday to see if the price drops to something more reasonable.
The Verizon person powered the unit up in the store, though I'm not worried about unlocking the bootloader myself. The email app I have to use for work checks for a rooted/unlocked phone and locks me out if I'm using one. Sucks.
I did notice however that when I enabled the developer options in the phone settings there is a switch for "OEM Unlocking" in the developer menu and the switch is available, it's not greyed out. If unlocking didn't factory reset the phone I'd give it a shot but really don't want to set the phone up all over again if by some miracle it were to actually work.
I wanted to wait until black Friday too but my Nexus 6 was getting so laggy I couldn't handle it any more, it had to go. I will say I really love the Pixel 2 so far. Such a nice upgrade from old Shamu.
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The Verizon person powered the unit up in the store, though I'm not worried about unlocking the bootloader myself. The email app I have to use for work checks for a rooted/unlocked phone and locks me out if I'm using one. Sucks.
I did notice however that when I enabled the developer options in the phone settings there is a switch for "OEM Unlocking" in the developer menu and the switch is available, it's not greyed out. If unlocking didn't factory reset the phone I'd give it a shot but really don't want to set the phone up all over again if by some miracle it were to actually work.
I wanted to wait until black Friday too but my Nexus 6 was getting so laggy I couldn't handle it any more, it had to go. I will say I really love the Pixel 2 so far. Such a nice upgrade from old Shamu.
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thanks for the feedback.
i called VZW today inquiring about any upcoming promos/black friday. rep claimed that he did not see/know of any aside from the $300 trade-in credit (which my phone is not one of).
he did offer to waive the activation/upgrade fee ($35), free shipping overnight, and honor the $100 gift card (which I think is only applicable to new lines). he mentioned there was a sale of $15/month on the XL that ended on the 9th, but could not re-enable it for me.
so I'm going to sit tight (not really, just getting antsy), and wait to see what promos come out on Black Friday.
also, he did say that the device comes with the bootloader unlocked - I reminded him what that meant, as most reps think that this means password locked or something - but he sounded very certain he understood what I was referring to - so this could be a good sign, but I'm not holding my breath.
from my understanding, unlocking the bootloader does NOT root the device, as root has not been established on this device (yet).
looks like the $100 off at best buy is gone.
just waiting for VZW black friday announcement. last year, they announced it on 11/4 - so this year could be on Friday, 11/3.
I keep checking google for any other promotions, but no dice.
so if anyone sees any deals, please post it here.
aaaand someone sold two pixel 2's for $325/each.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Google-Pix...660659?hash=item284265d0b3:g:YSIAAOSwRDtZ19uC
#toogoodtobetrue ??!?!?
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aaaand someone sold two pixel 2's for $325/each.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Google-Pix...660659?hash=item284265d0b3:g:YSIAAOSwRDtZ19uC
#toogoodtobetrue ??!?!?
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I hope u don't seriously believe this
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I hope u don't seriously believe this
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i didn't buy them.... but why wouldn't we believe it?
on a side note, was showing my kids all of those "iphone drop from 1000 feet tests", and it got me thinking....
maybe the manufacturers place such a high price tag on the phones when they first come out to make these folks think twice about trying to intentionally break the phone. then, once they've been out for several months, the price drops for those that are really interested in keeping the device rather than experimenting on them....
just a thought....
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aaaand someone sold two pixel 2's for $325/each.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Google-Pix...660659?hash=item284265d0b3:g:YSIAAOSwRDtZ19uC
#toogoodtobetrue ??!?!?
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i didn't buy them.... but why wouldn't we believe it?
on a side note, was showing my kids all of those "iphone drop from 1000 feet tests", and it got me thinking....
maybe the manufacturers place such a high price tag on the phones when they first come out to make these folks think twice about trying to intentionally break the phone. then, once they've been out for several months, the price drops for those that are really interested in keeping the device rather than experimenting on them....
just a thought....
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Well - of course it is too good to be true. Doesn't take much to figure that out. Why the hell would they sell a new phone at a loss instead of just canceling the preorder or returning it.
Check out the sellers feedback: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
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Well - of course it is too good to be true. Doesn't take much to figure that out. Why the hell would they sell a new phone at a loss instead of just canceling the preorder or returning it.
Check out the sellers feedback: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
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hahahaha!
I would imagine that e-bay/Paypal would still reimburse them. once the transaction went sour.
but you're 100% correct, check the reviews first.