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Hi Guys
I like the design and spec of Adam but I would also need proper usability from it. By proper I mean word, excel, usb to Com cables in general Windows 7.
Would it be possible to install Windows 7 on the device and how hard would it be?
I have not see the device in action so does anyone know does it have PC style bios or more like bootloader on smartphones?

TheDeadCpu said:
That would be hard. Not impossible.
The thing is I doubt anyone will actually waste hundreds of hours to get a worse operating system running.
(I say it's worse because it's not tablet optimized)
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Not worse, just heavier because more usable as PC. For me Android is the worse one as yo have no proper apps that make it usable as PC.
As said if I could get ubuntu to run with office on it I would not think about windows 7 but I can not even do that.
Andoid main problem is the same as one on apple ipad it is a OS for phones.

Adam started out as a dual boot Linux/ Android tablet.
Have not heard anything re Linux boot for a while though.
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I seen on forum for ink that they have image for ubuntu but still no office on it.
Grr I always loved tablet idea TBH even when they were called slates.
Until late I had my HP TC1100 and was very happy but it is lucking now in performance for win7 and office 2010. Also it is so "used" now that paint is coming off.
Oh well will have to wait for a win7 dedicated tablet.

The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).

smedley.jason said:
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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Well since they patented Windows 7 core to work with Arm in December one would hope that will be overcome. Apparently there will be al ighter version of Win7 for ARM based systems. Hmm we will see but fro now HP Slate 500 is the best bet.

Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.

tdh_andy said:
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Well if I wanted to use open office I wuld not ask for windows 7 would just go to ubuntu directly. Openoffice suck badly no matter what people say, if you do tons of docs, formatting and scripting in excel you need proper, real office.
Anything else I could deal with on linux just not lack of that.

I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.

Schattenspieler said:
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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Only time will tell for sure. Right now we can't figure that out as there is no ARM version available. Once they make one I'm sure that people will start trying.

Ubuntu Phone OS

So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.

phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible

I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014

Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.

Yes and simply
Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information

leclercqsteeven said:
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.

CSharpHeaven said:
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014

The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.

absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:

I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out

Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.

Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)

This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/

Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!

While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.

Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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samcripp said:
No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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Brainstorming.

Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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teh_cANONs said:
Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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In Free software, the individual software components are always being reused, and this is the correct practice.
Debian is the upstream distribution for Ubuntu, so the basic packages are related to Debian, and might have some small changes in Ubuntu.
However, the full composition is Ubuntu, which includes additional packages that are currently found only in Ubuntu.
It is acceptable and encouraged in Free software to reuse software components. That's the purpose of Free software.

teh_cANONs said:
Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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It's straight up Ubuntu, well a fork of Ubuntu for mobile resolutions, touch screens, etc. With added support for ARM devices and Android kernels. You can currently install the ARM version as a full OS on Nexus 7 devices, although it's far from polished as a full OS on tablets. The mobile OS is something different again, and should be great if it's done right. I already use Ubuntu 13.04 as my daily desktop environment, dual booting with winblows only for some games. Ubuntu for desktop just gets better and grows on me more each week, and each update. I imagine the phone OS will be similar, take a little learning, but become addicted with use.

I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?

zo1d said:
I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?
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1. don't know if there is a xserver involved or what, we will see when released.
2. hmm why would you want to do that? We dont know if canonical is using its own kernel based on the android kernel or if it will be the exact android kernel in which the device comes preinstalled.. We will see..
3. No.. sofar I am aware of, the core might be GPL'ed code, just like the Linux Kernel.. But we will first know when released, it could be LGPL too.. Thats what Qt is released on..
When it is released you will find the code on launchpad.

I really don't see why they can't use the same kernel that ships with the phones, since the android tree is included in the Linux kernel, and it is obviously open source. I think it would be trivial to redo tons of work that has already been done.
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Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....

blackout23 said:
Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....
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Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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jscurtu said:
Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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Would make sense as it would create more dev opportunities for everyone to try their hand at.
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Maybe someone can shed some light on this?

After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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luc.highwalker said:
After reading and watching multiple demonstrations of the Ubuntu phone os. I just can't seem to find features that I can't already do on my android. The notifications drawer is pretty neat in that you can pull it down at different places, but other than that, it just seems like a lightly modded android.
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I think for most users, they may not find value in this yet (until more apps are available and/or cheaper phones come out), but for those familiar with linux it will make a lot of sense.
I have been a linux developer for 3 years now (as a full time job) and I am just imagining all the cool stuff I can do with this device (at home and at work).
For one thing, you will likely be able to develop (native) apps on the phone itself instead of having to have a separate computer to do it. It might even be possible to develop Android apps!
It's basically a PC in your pocket so the apps will not be as limited as Android and iOS apps. There is still software out there that is not available on Android and iOS because those systems are designed for phones and tablets and don't fully support a desktop style interface. The appeal to an Ubuntu phone is that it can function as both, and you can develop software that will be interchangeable as both.

Thanks for your reply.
I'm not a developer (yet) so I can't say much on the subject. But I do know that you can develop apps directly on an Android device. There's even a Linux terminal Window.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see what people can make out of the phone. till then, I'll just stick to my beloved android
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If you love linux, this *could* be a game changer if it's done right. As BukaKing mentioned, the ability to run native apps on the OS is a huge plus, as you would then be able to make the most of the hardware presented rather than utilising a java engine.
Customisation I am assuming will also be a huge factor - Ubuntu Desktop can be so heavily customised, to function exactly how you want it to, so I am *assuming* that Ubuntu for Phones will be similar. So, just because the OS behaves a particular way on those video's circulating, does not necessarily mean that is how it is destined to remain. Once it's out there in the wild, I would even assume people unhappy with the lack of soft buttons may find them re-appear, as gnome/unity has the ability to create custom panels.
The oportunities I think this OS presents to smartphones is amazing, but in the end it comes down to 2 things for me. Will it be completely open source? If yes, then there could be a bunch of forks/derivitives explode around the webs where teams have customised the OS the way they want it. Developing for it would be far easier, so i'd expect if popularity gets high enough, apps will appear from everywhere. And, implimentation - will it be as easy for a non-linux user to pick up and use, as it will be for a linux user? Hopefully, that answer is yes too.

According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.

onlychevys said:
According to Shuttleworth, it will be 100% opensource! I can't wait till the code is released and we can all play with this. Since it will be using an android kernel and drivers I'm hoping it won't be to hard to compile from source for my phone.
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Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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batman38102 said:
Helllooo! This what i was waiting for....Open source! so that ports can be made for devices that cant be officially supported by ubuntu. For those who keep saying ubuntu cant on GT-$5660 just STFU! No offense but Samsung said ICS or JB cant fully run properly on gio! and look it runs almost perfectly! So a bit of tweaking ubuntu for my device and we can run this!
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:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app.. the native apps are made with C++ not java ... You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
If canonical would have chosen soft float instead of hard float then it would have worked, but it will be freaking slow and laggy..
Getting JB on that device is something else, it and android apps are running of a virtual machine .. That is the good thing about managed code and virtual machines and the reason sun Microsystems invented java in the first place ...
QML and c++ is not running off a virtual machine.. Its 100% native ...
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I'm wondering if native C++ Apps will not only be more efficient than Java on Android but if Ubuntu can take more advantage of multi-core systems than Android does. At least I have heared that Android isn't that optimized for multi-core phones.

jscurtu said:
:banghead: :banghead: No.. It won't work on the S5660... Ubuntu phone is not android... Have you ever wrote a program? Compiled software? The binary is compiled using the arm hard float v7 instructions, you will need to recompile the kernel, the OS and every damn app..
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Why does it have to be him that has to do that, some one else could do it and provide an image.
the native apps are made with C++ not java ...
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Yeah, who ever heard of making native apps in java!
The Ubuntu Phone OS equivalent to java will be HTML5.
You may be able to get a running build on a arm v6 like the S5660 but you can't install 3rd party apps from the store or proprietary apps unless the developer thought about that and supports it .. Likely not, they will be natively for arm v7 hf only...
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You go from saying "No.. it won't work" to saying "You may be able to get a running build", nice!
And what proprietary apps are there right now? The only apps that I have seen are either HTML5 or the one native app (the gallery app) that Canonical made which will be open source and can be rebuilt for any device.
Also this same problem exists for Android native app (android has a lot of them), the developers have to build binaries for the different Android devices. So you can port Android to an x86 device but you will not be able to run a lot of games unless they include binaries that support it. Games built with Unity 3D are native apps, games built on Adobe Flash/Air are native apps. Native apps *can be* more efficient in performance, memory and battery than Java apps. Also C++ in the case of mobile devices is more cross platform than Java, since it can be used on both iOS and Android, and the libraries in Android Java are not available on other platforms with Java.
QML itself is not technically native, it depends on how it is used. QML is a mix of objects/widgets and javascript (similar to HTML5), but native C++ code can access QML objects/widgets through Qt.
But that said, if Canonical doesn't officially support a device I would steer clear of updates. I just spent the weekend trying to update my HP Envy from Ubuntu 10.10 to 12.10 and I had a ton of problems, and while it works now, my USB is disabled for some reason (even though internal USB devices work). This isn't the first time this has happened to me with Ubuntu updates.
I wouldn't worry about it for the Galaxy Nexus since it is an officially supported device, but for devices that are ported too by some one else, I would avoid updates coming from Canonical.

Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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getrdy said:
Valve is testing Steam games for Ubuntu so we could be playing some real games on our phones soon.
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ARM != x86 .....

blackout23 said:
ARM != x86 .....
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What about those x86 based phones?
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Lesicnik1 said:
What about those x86 based phones?
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The smartphone GPU drivers and chips probably don't support OpenGL 3.0 like Steam games require.
Smartphones never had full blown OpenGL only OpenGLES (Embedded System).
Desktop PCs are still waaay more powerful than any smartphone. Any cheap Celeron CPU for 40 bucks will obliterate your Intel Atom powered smartphone.

Ubuntu or jelly bean for Samsung 7.7

Ubuntu is releasing its tablet version this week for developers, but its only for nexus devices, let's hope this will be available for our 7.7 also. My only dream id to run both jb and Ubuntu as dual boot on this tab
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I have spare Galaxy Tab 7.7 that I'm not that actively using, but I would like to try an port the Ubuntu touch for it. Any hints how to start? I have been working with software since 90's but I have no idea how to go forward.
So what I have understood is that what Canodical did was to take latest stable CM 3.5.xx kernel and then compiled their Ubuntu software on top of that?

I don´t know anything about porting ubuntu or roms but this page should help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting Well at least if u guys are talking about ubuntu touch...

https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
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Thx for help. I'm setting now Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on my spare laptop (Acer TimelineX 3820TG) with needed build environments.
I have no guarantees that anything what I'm trying will work, but I really hope that I can avoid bricking my gt-6800 and get the cm10.1 kernel to work with the device. After that it should be quite straight forward to get the build up and running in some shape.

Ok, now I have the environment set-up, but there are no kernel confs available. So it seems that I have to either found them somewhere or create a new one and then try to figure it out. It seems that Iocerras kernel is a bit old (3.0.xx series). We'll, as soon as I have something to show, I'll put the information available in the development section on this forum and release the first version of the platform. But currently the image build is on hold because I need to concentrate my daily work.

Will the cm10.1 not work?
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xrayA4T said:
Will the cm10.1 not work?
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There is no build for gt-p6800 available in CM10.1 with kernel sources. I'm still investigating where I might find the needed sources so that I can compile the kernel and start upgrading it towards 3.5.xx release.

Try this if you want the Ubuntu look right now
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mohammad.adib.sidebar.lite
Works great
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Heh, anyway I think I'm getting quite close to on finishing the first ever build for ubuntu-touch for gt-p6800...
I had to create two new repositories because the kernel and device configuration that is available is so messed up. I hope I do not have many legacy kernel problems anymore when I'm making the first build here.
Are there any gt-p6800 dev's around still or has the ship sailed already from this device. I really like it because its premium build quality, but I hate it if there is no one else interested on the device anymore

YEAH, first build done.
If someone has a good idea where to dump the image for others to test, please notify me in this thread or PM me.
Development thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38648150

is it better than ICS?

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is it better than ICS?
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I really cannot say. It is a development preview of a fully linux system that has potential (yes), but no software yet. At all... We'll see if it is better than meego, android or tzisen in future

Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))

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Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))
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Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.

dun1982 said:
Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.
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I think you are user of Ubuntu on PC, so could you please tell me in which aspects is it good?)) I had never used Ubuntu)))
P.S. sorry for my english))

I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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Sounds really cool:victory:
Thanks for answer:good:

I vote for Ubuntu because linux is very good So i think it Will work Great for. You
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I would definetely prefer a well running Ubuntu to Android. Meaning phone, data, wifi working. The hardware of my tablet is almost as good as the hardware of my laptop running Ubuntu. 1.4Ghz vs 1.8 Ghz, 1Gb Ram vs 2.5Gb, powervr xyz vs geforce 7400m. One device to rule them all .