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So I'm curioous how this new data plan requirement works. Is there anyone out there who didn't have a $30 data plan when they got the Pure, and still doesn't have a $30 data plan?
If you had a $30 data plan added when you bought the Pure, was it added automatically by the system when you stuck your SIM in, or did the sales rep add it?
If you did not have a $30 data plan before you bought it, and the rep didn't add it, can you check the Online Account Manager and see if the Pure shows up but your data plan is still not the $30 plan?
Prior to purchasing the HTC Pure I had the unlimited family data plan for $10.00. I purchased the Pure at full retail price, as I was waiting to see if At&t would come out with some new devices before the end o f the year. As of today my data plan has not changed. The retail clerk did not offer or suggest or state that I was required to change my plan at the time of purchase. So I still have the $10.00 unlimited family data plan on my account.
I used my upgrade to buy the Pure so I was required to get the $30 data plan. Before I was still using an old 2125 (aka htc tornado). The unlimited plan for that was only $15 per month.
The data plan requirement is supposedly based on the device you are using, but when you buy a phone they only check your account if you are getting the upgrade discount for the phone.
If you buy the phone without the contract then that would explain why your data plan hasn't changed.
For those of you with ATT you may be able to pay less for data like I do on T-Mo. Not sure what the equivilant Data plan to the $9.99Web2Go(formerly T-MoWeb $5.99) is but I get full web capability off of it with my unlocked phones. If I log onto My-Tmobile online and I put my phone as a WinMo phone My T-mo Web (GrandFathered in @ $5.99 ) goes away and I have to choose one of the $20+ Plans. So what I do is choos a low end phone as my device and I have the option of using my T-Mo web service. (Unlimited Data Baby)
This may work for ATT. I'm not familiar with ATTs site so I can't give direct directions for this but mebe you can do it. After doing it go to settings>all Settings> Connection and connection setup and your phone will automatically configure the settings. You probably wont even have to reconfigure the settingd. But you will have to be carful on what you DL because the low end data plans now have caps on them so you can only DL so much.
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I used my upgrade to buy the Pure so I was required to get the $30 data plan. Before I was still using an old 2125 (aka htc tornado). The unlimited plan for that was only $15 per month.
The data plan requirement is supposedly based on the device you are using, but when you buy a phone they only check your account if you are getting the upgrade discount for the phone.
If you buy the phone without the contract then that would explain why your data plan hasn't changed.
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Well I don't have the phone. I am just trying to confirm that if I buy a Touch Pro 2 no commit my data plan will or will not automatically change. I figured there must be someone out there who bought a Pure that can confirm this once and for all- one way or the other.
I'm waiting on the Pure which I ordered online on attwireless. I bought it retail, no commitment and didnt't change my current plan. I will be adding the $15 data on the line I will be using the Pure. I currently have an unbranded phone on that line and can add any feature myself on their website. Something tells me that I'll get by.
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I'm waiting on the Pure which I ordered online on attwireless. I bought it retail, no commitment and didnt't change my current plan. I will be adding the $15 data on the line I will be using the Pure. I currently have an unbranded phone on that line and can add any feature myself on their website. Something tells me that I'll get by.
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Nice. good to see that AT&T has a way to bypass the expensive plan like tmobile. Not many peolp know they can change plan options online.
Well we're all hoping that the "back door" way to use a $15 data plan works. But AT&T has been saying your plan will automatically get a $30 data plan added to it when you put your SIM card into any AT&T branded smartphone.
That's why I started this thread- to find out if they were bluffing or if they are serious.
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Well we're all hoping that the "back door" way to use a $15 data plan works. But AT&T has been saying your plan will automatically get a $30 data plan added to it when you put your SIM card into any AT&T branded smartphone.
That's why I started this thread- to find out if they were bluffing or if they are serious.
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I give you an example. I gave my 3GS to my wife and she had the first generation iphone with the $20 data plus messaging and they're yet to figure out that she's using the 3GS with a cheaper plan.
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Well we're all hoping that the "back door" way to use a $15 data plan works. But AT&T has been saying your plan will automatically get a $30 data plan added to it when you put your SIM card into any AT&T branded smartphone.
That's why I started this thread- to find out if they were bluffing or if they are serious.
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Intresting. I know T-mobile can see what phone I have (Topaz) and that it's not Branded. But if ATT automatically switches your plan with what phone you have that is total BS. Unlocked or Branded it shouldn't matter. It's non of their buisness.
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I give you an example. I gave my 3GS to my wife and she had the first generation iphone with the $20 data plus messaging and they're yet to figure out that she's using the 3GS with a cheaper plan.
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That's cool. They only say you need the high data plan to use all the phone features so they can make extra money. They could sell the phone without the data plan if they wanted and leave it as a side option.
AT&T finds out quickly what phone you use. I changed my sim from my unlocked Tilt to a Sony W580i, received 2 calls, made none, loged in to my AT&T account & there it appears my phone as a Sony W580i.
How do they find out& is there a way to get them from finding out?
AT&T finds out quickly what phone you use. I changed my sim from my unlocked Tilt to a Sony W580i, received 2 calls, made none, loged in to my AT&T account & there it appears my phone as a Sony W580i.
How do they find out& is there a way to get them from finding out?
Nope. They find out from the SIM card. It tells them which phone it's inserted in. Whenever I call Customer support for T-mobile they know I have an unlocked phone. They don't care. Not sure if AT&T cares. But on T-mobiles website I have the option of choosing which phone I'm "using" on my account. It doesn't automatically choose it for me unless I put my sim in a T-mo Branded phone.
I have been with AT&T for >7 years now. For the last 4 years or so, I've had a MediaNet plan that's $20 for All-you-can-eat data and 200 text messages. I've had 4 phones since then, 3 of which have been smartphones. I just checked my plan a minute ago, and it's still the same one.
There is an inertia built into the system. Unless someone goes in and specifically changes codes, they stay there forever. I'm still getting a company discount for a company I haven't worked for in over 2 years. Whatever codes you have in place will stay there. They know what phone you have because of the SIM card, but that has no effect on the codes.
The exception is the iPhone.
I have the $25 unlimited data plan that has 200 messages and unlimited "in-network" messaging (SMS and MMS).
AT&T is sending me a Pure as a warranty replacement when their 4 broken Fuzes didn't work. They never said anything about automatically upgrading my account.
We also upgraded my wife's old a$$ samsung Blackjack to the new Samsung Jack because it is supposed to get a WM6.5 upgrade soon. The guy said the upgrade was supposed to require a data plan. I just said she doesn't use data just likes the keyboard for SMSing... he quick to move on. No problem at all.
I think it's stupid that they even had 2 different data plans based off what phone you have. Total crap. They tell me that my phone is "too fast" for the cheaper data package and the internet can't keep up with it. lol.
AT&T is already expensive for their services. We pay like $140 for 2 freakin' phones; 1 with unlimited SMS and mine with Data. Outrageous. We almost pay more for the 2 addons then we do our actual voice plan.
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AT&T is already expensive for their services. We pay like $140 for 2 freakin' phones; 1 with unlimited SMS and mine with Data. Outrageous. We almost pay more for the 2 addons then we do our actual voice plan.
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Holy wow that's expensive. I pay $56 a month with taxes with unlimited data and 1500 messages. My sis and mom are on a family plan and pay 80 some odd dollars with messages. (No data for them).
Crazy how 3 phones is nearly the same as 2.
I just bought a Pure for 49.99 as an upgrade and one condition was to add the 30 dlls Data Plan. Att they don't sell you the phone if you don't add the data plan, thats what I've been told for one of their representatives. I had a Tilt for the past 2 years paying only $15 dlls for unlimited data, on my account appeared the tilt but on their system showed a Nokia 6682 phone. They didn't make the change from Nokia 6682 to the Tilt I don't know why. I bought the Tilt two years ago over the internet on Black Friday. Now it shows the Pure but with the 30 dlls data plan added. One thing is for sure if att finds out that you are using a Smartphone they will add you the 30 dlls data plan automatically and may charge for past months.
How did you get them to sell it for 49.95?
I thought I'm paying a lot for my phones but yours is worst. I have the Tilt with Unlimited data+200 message, my wife has the iPhone 1st Gen and my son has a Samsung phone with unlimited msg (no data). My monthly bill is about $140.
Since I'm already on the $30 unlimited data plan on my Tilt, is there a way to switch back to the cheaper plan?
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I have the $25 unlimited data plan that has 200 messages and unlimited "in-network" messaging (SMS and MMS).
AT&T is sending me a Pure as a warranty replacement when their 4 broken Fuzes didn't work. They never said anything about automatically upgrading my account.
We also upgraded my wife's old a$$ samsung Blackjack to the new Samsung Jack because it is supposed to get a WM6.5 upgrade soon. The guy said the upgrade was supposed to require a data plan. I just said she doesn't use data just likes the keyboard for SMSing... he quick to move on. No problem at all.
I think it's stupid that they even had 2 different data plans based off what phone you have. Total crap. They tell me that my phone is "too fast" for the cheaper data package and the internet can't keep up with it. lol.
AT&T is already expensive for their services. We pay like $140 for 2 freakin' phones; 1 with unlimited SMS and mine with Data. Outrageous. We almost pay more for the 2 addons then we do our actual voice plan.
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How did you get them to sell it for 49.95?
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On tigerdirect.com they have it as an upgrade for 49.99 and the Tilt 2 for 199.99 free activation also.
Was hoping to hear from anyone with an unlocked Treo Pro on AT&T, and if they are using the data unlimited (MediaNet), or PDA personal plan?
I previously was using a Treo 650 and now that I'm using my TP, AT&T still thinks I'm using my 650 (looking at the AT&T online my account site). I never had a data plan on the 650, but I can't really justify spending for the PDA plan. Is anyone with a TP using the data unlimited plan? Since my phone shows up as my 650, am I not be able to add data unlimited to my phone?
And lastly, has anyone been "caught" with the wrong plan, and what does AT&T do? Automatically switch you to the correct plan, or charge you their per KB rate?
If you have a dumbphone you can easily call up and tell them you changed phones and want the cheaper MEdia Net plan, then put your SIM back in your TP.
You can try calling them and giving them the IMEI to your unlocked TP and they should be able to do it since it won't be in their system.
You do not need the PDA plan for an unlocked phone since its not in their system.
The dumbphone trick usually works too, and even if you go back to an AT&T PDA you can keep the MEdia Net plan, but one day you may get caught.
Aggresive AT&T
I was all excited when I got my brand new Palm Treo Pro unlocked from Dell this week. I just took my SIM card (AT&T 450m Plan W/O data) from my old phone and put it in the new phone. Everything’s fine. My new phone is good, easy to use. So I went to Palm website yesterday night and I “registered” my phone by giving my phone number and phone’s serial number. I also mentioned that my provider is AT&T. Big mistake. If you are reading this, don’t ever say who your provider is.
Today morning, I get two SMS’s from AT&T saying “Did you know your Smartphone requires a data plan ? For convenience we have added a minimum plan to your phone” WTF….
So I called up AT&T and checked what the hell is going on…they responded saying it’s a requirement that all smart phones “should” have a data plan. I reminded that I was no longer under contract nor did I bought the phone from a AT&T store at a discount with a contract. I paid full price for that phone that I bought from Dell.
I also told them that if they don’t remove the data plan ($30 bucks a month), I will go elsewhere. After 10 mins of trying to make her understand that it’s an unlocked phone, she finally washed her hands off by saying she will transfer me to “another” department which will “rectify” my situation. Then I got another lady on the phone who started off saying “Do you want to cancel your account ?” Another 10 mins of explaining and finally she said she will use the “grandfather” clause to pull out the data plan from my account.
All in all, wasted around 40 mins to get the data plan off my bill.
It is very wrong of AT&T to push plans which customers don’t need. If you are being pushed around by AT&T, fight back !!!
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I had the same experience. I bought unlocked TP from Dell 3 days ago. Very next day morning after I swapped the SIM into TP, I received SMS saying "data plan is required for your smartphone" (I never registered AT&T as a service provider any where)
I called AT&T and asked them to remove $30 plan as I swapped SIM back into my old non-pda phone.
I did research on this issue, and found a website (can't post link here as I am considered new user and xda website won't allow me to post this message, but if you care, google for cingular selfcare and first link would get you there)
I can put my number, and it will tell me what device I have. I put SIM into TP, and it tells that I have TP!!
So, some how, my IMEI is recognized to AT&T database even if I had purchased this phone unlocked from Dell.
Now, I am left with 2 options
1. return TP back to Dell
2. Pay $30/month if I want to use it with AT&T
I want to use TP, but AT&T's evil policy would not let me. They should not have a say in what data plan I need with my phone when they never subsidized the phone for me. That is unfair.
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I have unlocked TP on AT&T, got it from dell last year and I wasn't required to put a pda data plan on the phone. I do have the old media net plan and so it comes with unlimited data, but it is cheaper than the $30 plan and comes with over 1000 sms.
t-mobile?
various people on XDA talking about having switched to T-mobile for this very reason. with t-mobile it's unlimited data (includes tethering, they tell me) for $25 a month, or no data at all. They don't do the "$2/meg" garbage that ATT does. The data can be "on" or "off" which is the decent way to do it.
you just need to unlock your phone. Edge will work on t-mobile, although 3G will not.
My TP experience
I know it's an older thread but figured would post my experience.
Been with AT&T for 6 years. First phone I got from them was an MPx220. Put the MediaNet plan on it (unlimited data, 1500 sms, 200 mms) for $19.99. I switched phones over the years going from iPAQ, i-Mate, HTC, Palm, etc. All along the way, never got any message about needing a smartphone data plan.
Then I brought an unlocked iPhone for my wife and stuck my SIM in there to set it up (it was a gift). Set it up for her, pulled my SIM out and back in my Treo Pro. The next morning I had two txts from AT&T saying my iPhone requried a data plan and it has been added for me. I had been swapping SIM cards for years and this 15 minutes with the iPhone changed my entire account.
I called and said I didn't have an iPhone and need my account restored back to the MediaNet. Well since it was an old feature, they couldn't add it back for me and opened a case with the Resolutions department. In the meantime, they put me on the $15 sms plan and the $15 unlimited data for dumphones and gave me a $25 credit until the issue was resolved.
Well while I was on the dump phone plan I got two more sms stating my smartphone required a data plan and one had been added. Now I was real concern because they never knew said anything about a smartphone before.
Finally the resolution team called and said they couldn't add the package because I was on the smartphone and should have never had the plan on the smartphone. So I put my SIM back in the MPx220 and waiting for them to add the feature again. I am concerned that once I do switch SIMs again it will send me another SMS at which time I'll be heading for another provider. But for 6 years I never had a problem into that damn iPhone.
Right now I really want the vibrant, but i'm not eligible for full upgrade from tmobile so i can't get the phone for 100 from costco where its on sale. Since my brother whose in a family plan with my parents is eligible, he could get me the phone since he says he's fine with his old sidekick.
So would it be as simple as him ordering the phone, giving it to me, and myself putting the sim card in, and using it right away? Also, I understand he has to get the data plan since it's required, but could he technically call tomobile to take it off and say he lost it? Because he's fine with his old sidekick and not wanting a data plan added on his bill. I would appreciate any responses thankyou.
Yes that should work fine. They may require you to add a data plan to your line though.
as for using a different line for upgrading the phone on another line, that is fine - I do this all the time (my company has over 30 lines, and most employees are still on the same phone they got in 2002)
the data plan will be an issue - technically, the price of the phone is subsidized by the data plan, so he would not be able to just cancel the data plan. if that were possible, tmobile would lose money, and that is a big NO-NO
But, I've heard from different people, that if you did report the phone lost, they would take the data plan off. Or that could go to your online t-mobile account and change what phone you have, like if you change that you have a "dumbphone". Can anyone else confirm this?
I was able to cancel the data plan here is how: Once you buy the phone and the data plan is active login at the t-mobile website and change the phone to another phone. On the left click on the line you just bought the phone on, then under the picture of the phone you just bought click on "not your phone/device" then choose a cheapo phone from the list (one that does not require an internet plan). Now you should be able to go under that accounts plan and cancel the internet. If this does not work then you would have to start begging tmobile to remove it (just explain to them the real situation and that you will add the plan to your line) usually if you have been a long time well paying customer they will help you.
Just have your brother, or whomever's name under the account, call in and ask to remove the Android data plan and put back the Sidekick plan. Of course, your brother's sim card needs to be in the sidekick at the time you request the change. If they ask for a reason, just say "I didn't like it, so I gave it to my brother." That's it. Keep it simple.
Cool, appreciate all the responses guys. I don't think my brother has the Sidekick plan, he just has the regular family plan line with no data or anything.
Okay, it's been about 2 weeks, and so I decided to call about the phone and switching the data plan. However, T-mobile would not allow my brother to switch his data plan over to my account. They won't allow him to get rid of the data charge on his account period. The only option the rep gave me was to downgrade to a sidekick plan for his account which basically cost the samee anyways. Anyone know what I should do now?
That will work, but like others said they will require you to have that data plan. So your brother will be stuck with his sidekick data plan and the data plan for the Vibrant. Unlike other phones I do not think he can use the Android data plan with his Sidekick. I have used my G1 plan with the Mytouch 3g, Cliq, HD2, and now my Vibrant. As you can see I used it with a non-adroid device (HD2) and it worked fine, but I think sidekicks are in a whole different league.
Just wait it out. How much longer is your contract. Also go to walmart instead of costco. If you go anywhere else you will get taxed on the full price of the phone when walmart only tax the cost shown. For example walmart taxes on 98.99. Whereas everyone else will tax 500.00.
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Talk to a T-mo representative in store and ask them if you have a equipment credit line. I'm not eligible for upgrade until Nov but I have like $300 ECL. So I still got the phone at the same price of an upgrade.
Appreciate the responses guys, but right now I have the phone and it's great and everything. I even got the data plan myself. But what im trying to figure out is how to take the data plan completely off my brothers account since he technically doesnt own the phone anymore and having the plan would be useless.
I've talked to 3 different reps and each refused to take his plan off. One rep recommended to go to the store and buy a cheap "dumbphone" for like 50 bucks which takes his data plan off. It seems like my only option now and would you guys recommend that?
Well the terms are that you signed into a 2yr contract knowing there is a data plan requirement for 2 years. And now you want help getting it off? I don't think it would be appropriate to ask that here.
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I'm currently on a family line with 2 phones having a 2GB data plan and 2 other phones having unlimited data. I currently have unlimited data on my line with an upgrade and I'm planning on purchasing this phone at a subsidized price.
My plan was to transfer my upgrade to a 2 GB line. Activating it on that line and then simply swapping it over to my line and inserting the SIM card into it. Now it appears that I cannot simply insert the SIM as it takes a nano SIM card and not the micro SIM that my galaxy s4 currently uses. How would I be able to switch over the line and keep my unlimited data?
Can I just grab another nano SIM from Verizon or is that not possible? I'm getting a little worried I'll lose my unlimited data if I swap lines. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm currently on a family line with 2 phones having a 2GB data plan and 2 other phones having unlimited data. I currently have unlimited data on my line with an upgrade and I'm planning on purchasing this phone at a subsidized price.
My plan was to transfer my upgrade to a 2 GB line. Activating it on that line and then simply swapping it over to my line and inserting the SIM card into it. Now it appears that I cannot simply insert the SIM as it takes a nano SIM card and not the micro SIM that my galaxy s4 currently uses. How would I be able to switch over the line and keep my unlimited data?
Can I just grab another nano SIM from Verizon or is that not possible? I'm getting a little worried I'll lose my unlimited data if I swap lines. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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I think we're the same person. I'm in an identical situation and I'd like to know the answer to this as well. I have upgraded other lines to keep my unlimited in the past but I haven't had to have a new sim to do it until now.
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They give Sim cards away at Verizon for no charge. Just ask.
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I think we're the same person. I'm in an identical situation and I'd like to know the answer to this as well. I have upgraded other lines to keep my unlimited in the past but I haven't had to have a new sim to do it until now.
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Just tell Verizon your buying a phone from a friend. Like perhaps a iPhone or a moot x. They all use a nano SIM
Verizon gives out some cards for free.
Here is the latest update to keeping unlimited I have seen. Transferring upgrade may no longer work. See Method 5.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/09/25/upgrade-verizon-keep-unlimited-data/
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Here is the latest update to keeping unlimited I have seen. Transferring upgrade may no longer work. See Method 5.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/09/25/upgrade-verizon-keep-unlimited-data/
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I've upgraded on a non smartphone line before since the other 2 have unlimited data, but it looks like you cannot remove the data anymore so your stuck paying the data fees for 2yrs.... Sucks
I believe they make SIM cutters. Might want to look into those.
Or just ask Verizon to send you a new SIM card.
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I've upgraded on a non smartphone line before since the other 2 have unlimited data, but it looks like you cannot remove the data anymore so your stuck paying the data fees for 2yrs.... Sucks
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I did it two years ago and I was able to remove it. Went into Verizon today to ask since I saw your comment, and they still said it's okay, but you have to wait maybe 12 or so hours to reactivate it on your line. I guess I'll ask somewhere else to confirm it tomorrow.
Please let me know. Can't wait to get this phone. Thank you
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Please let me know. Can't wait to get this phone. Thank you
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Talked to two different reps today. One store wouldn't give me any information since it's against policy I guess. The other rep at my usual store (this makes 4 people from this store saying it, one person has done it for me) confirmed it again. He said that transferring upgrades is okay but it may come back on the employee. Not really sure about that part, but it may be why they're hesitant to do it or admit it. But activating the phone and transferring it to your line is okay. Again I was told you may have 12 hours of down time to avoid suspicion or something like that. Again, not sure about that since 2 years ago they activated it on my line within 5 minutes and had me out. You can remove data lines from basic phones too by calling Verizon and having the CSR remove it from the system, which I did last time.
As far as SIM cards go, this should not be an issue. I forgot to ask the reps today, but yesterday I was told that it doesn't matter. They'll activate the phone on your non unlimited line, toss the SIM, and put in a new one for your line. I'm not sure which line gets the 12 hours of downtime here though, since I was in a bit of a hurry and forgot that too. I'm a little worried about that since I don't want my mother to go phoneless for a day since she has work and all. But as far as upgrades go, you'll be set and keeping your unlimited data with it. I'll be buying my phone next Thursday on the 30th, so if you want, I can let you know how it goes. I just hope I don't run into a rep that won't help me with this, since I guess technically they're not allowed to. If anybody has any conflicting information, please let me know. I'll try to clear it up with my store since they don't seem to have an issue with this method and are surprisingly honest about it.
After keeping my HTC Thunderbolt since its release (warranty claim recently upgraded me to a Droid DNA!), I finally have succumbed to relinquishing my unlimited data plan. I fully understand why you would want to keep it and admit that it felt like tearing my heart out when I switched to the more everything plan but I will say a few things:
1. Earlier last month I read that Verizon wanted to start throttling unlimited plans after 5gb of use. Recently I saw that they decided not to, so yay for you! I do however think that they are going to make it harder and harder to keep your plan as time passes. As it is, you are probably paying significantly more per month to keep the plan.
2. If you downgrade to a more everything plan there is a "month to month" promo that gives you the same Edge plan perk of $15/smartphone per month line access fee (as opposed to the $40 one). Again this is a promo for out of contract people and I know it is active because it was just applied to my account. (Note, you must select at least the 10gb plan and of course be out of contract)
3. By switching out of the unlimited data plan I now have unlimited minutes per month, 10GB of monthly data (family's average was 5gb-7gb anyway), and am paying ~$65 less per month on my bill now.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to switch, but $65 less a month is a lot of money saved when I wasn't even using 10gb per month.
I hope this helps someone like me who kept unlimited out of principal but didn't actually utilize it.
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Talked to two different reps today. One store wouldn't give me any information since it's against policy I guess. The other rep at my usual store (this makes 4 people from this store saying it, one person has done it for me) confirmed it again. He said that transferring upgrades is okay but it may come back on the employee. Not really sure about that part, but it may be why they're hesitant to do it or admit it. But activating the phone and transferring it to your line is okay. Again I was told you may have 12 hours of down time to avoid suspicion or something like that. Again, not sure about that since 2 years ago they activated it on my line within 5 minutes and had me out. You can remove data lines from basic phones too by calling Verizon and having the CSR remove it from the system, which I did last time.
As far as SIM cards go, this should not be an issue. I forgot to ask the reps today, but yesterday I was told that it doesn't matter. They'll activate the phone on your non unlimited line, toss the SIM, and put in a new one for your line. I'm not sure which line gets the 12 hours of downtime here though, since I was in a bit of a hurry and forgot that too. I'm a little worried about that since I don't want my mother to go phoneless for a day since she has work and all. But as far as upgrades go, you'll be set and keeping your unlimited data with it. I'll be buying my phone next Thursday on the 30th, so if you want, I can let you know how it goes. I just hope I don't run into a rep that won't help me with this, since I guess technically they're not allowed to. If anybody has any conflicting information, please let me know. I'll try to clear it up with my store since they don't seem to have an issue with this method and are surprisingly honest about it.
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I for one would love a follow-up. Thank you for the information.
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2. If you downgrade to a more everything plan there is a "month to month" promo that gives you the same Edge plan perk of $15/smartphone per month line access fee (as opposed to the $40 one). Again this is a promo for out of contract people and I know it is active because it was just applied to my account. (Note, you must select at least the 10gb plan and of course be out of contract)
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I assume this did not include getting a new phone. If you want to keep that offer when upgrading, I assume you will have to use Verizon edge, right?
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I assume this did not include getting a new phone. If you want to keep that offer when upgrading, I assume you will have to use Verizon edge, right?
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At the moment we still have all our old phones, yes. I was told that the promo would last until we decide to upgrade. At that point, if we use "Edge", the line access fee is still $15/smartphone per month plus the monthly cost of the phone (this is a permanent price feature for all edge plans 10gb and over AFIK). I asked what happens after the phone is payed off and was told that the line access fee jumps to $40/smartphone per month unless we "re-Edge" another phone or jump onto the "month to month" promotion again which may or may not be available. Note: I have been told many things about what happens after an edge plan phone is paid off. I am not 100% sure if the line access fee changes or not. I know that while paying off phones on the edge plan, plans 10gb or over have a $15/smartphone per month line access fee and all other non-edge plan devices have a $40/smartphone per month line access fee. Tablets are $10 per month on or off of edge which is cool.
Also, because I would have to pay full price for a phone on my old unlimited plan anyways, I did not incorporate the additional cost(s) of the phone(s) into my monthly savings mentioned above. I figure that with unlimited data or edge you have to pay the full price of the phone anyway so technically if we got new phones at full price and swapped them out, we would still have the promo active. Then again, not everybody (me included) can fork out $600+ per line on their account all at once. Lastly, so many great new phones are coming out every quarter that I kind of like edge because after 60% of the phone is paid off I can jump to a new one and continue payments as normal. It allows me to stay current with technology instead of holding on to a crappy thunderbolt just because it had unlimited data
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After keeping my HTC Thunderbolt since its release (warranty claim recently upgraded me to a Droid DNA!), I finally have succumbed to relinquishing my unlimited data plan. I fully understand why you would want to keep it and admit that it felt like tearing my heart out when I switched to the more everything plan but I will say a few things:
1. Earlier last month I read that Verizon wanted to start throttling unlimited plans after 5gb of use. Recently I saw that they decided not to, so yay for you! I do however think that they are going to make it harder and harder to keep your plan as time passes. As it is, you are probably paying significantly more per month to keep the plan.
2. If you downgrade to a more everything plan there is a "month to month" promo that gives you the same Edge plan perk of $15/smartphone per month line access fee (as opposed to the $40 one). Again this is a promo for out of contract people and I know it is active because it was just applied to my account. (Note, you must select at least the 10gb plan and of course be out of contract)
3. By switching out of the unlimited data plan I now have unlimited minutes per month, 10GB of monthly data (family's average was 5gb-7gb anyway), and am paying ~$65 less per month on my bill now.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to switch, but $65 less a month is a lot of money saved when I wasn't even using 10gb per month.
I hope this helps someone like me who kept unlimited out of principal but didn't actually utilize it.
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For some of us, like me, I am trying to stay on my unlimited data plan because it is cheaper (or pretty much the same price) for me than anything else Verizon currently offers. I have a plan with Unlimited Data, 450 minutes, 400 texts and I pay about $65 a month total. The only comparable plan would be the new single line plan which is Unlimited Talk/Text and 2Gb data for $60. Thing is, I don't need any more talk or text because I never use what I currently have. I do use a lot of data. If I were to switch to a More Everything plan I would be paying heaps more every month for less data than I get now.
Verizon just simply doesn't have plans anymore that cater to people like me who want limited minutes/texts and lots of data.
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For some of us, like me, I am trying to stay on my unlimited data plan because it is cheaper (or pretty much the same price) for me than anything else Verizon currently offers. I have a plan with Unlimited Data, 450 minutes, 400 texts and I pay about $65 a month total. The only comparable plan would be the new single line plan which is Unlimited Talk/Text and 2Gb data for $60. Thing is, I don't need any more talk or text because I never use what I currently have. I do use a lot of data. If I were to switch to a More Everything plan I would be paying heaps more every month for less data than I get now.
Verizon just simply doesn't have plans anymore that cater to people like me who want limited minutes/texts and lots of data.
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Yeah, I would stay on your current plan too It is harder to manage with a family plan and everyone wanting new phones though... Good luck!
Can someone confirm if this would work....
I have a 5 line family plan. 3 smartphones and 2 dumbphones. 2 of the smartphones are UDP and one is 2GB. I have an upgrade available on a dumbphone line. I would like to move that upgrade from the dumbphone line to the 2GB tier smartphone line and get a new smartphone. Once the new smartphone is activated on the 2GB line, could I then swap the sim from the new phone and give my existing phone to the 2GB line and then put my UDP sim in the new phone without changing my UDP? I was hoping this could work as the upgrade is not from my UDP line which would cause me to lose my unlimited as I have read on the net. So would this scenario allow me to preserve my UDP? Thanks for any help!
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Can someone confirm if this would work....
I have a 5 line family plan. 3 smartphones and 2 dumbphones. 2 of the smartphones are UDP and one is 2GB. I have an upgrade available on a dumbphone line. I would like to move that upgrade from the dumbphone line to the 2GB tier smartphone line and get a new smartphone. Once the new smartphone is activated on the 2GB line, could I then swap the sim from the new phone and give my existing phone to the 2GB line and then put my UDP sim in the new phone without changing my UDP? I was hoping this could work as the upgrade is not from my UDP line which would cause me to lose my unlimited as I have read on the net. So would this scenario allow me to preserve my UDP? Thanks for any help!
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Yes, i did a variation of this two years ago, it works. And according to the reps i spoke to, it still does. Although there is no need to transfer the upgrade. Activate the phone on your dumbphone line, then reactivate the dumbphone on that line. It will drop the data plan from the line and then you can activate the new phone onto your udp line. This is called an alternate upgrade. The reps i spoke to know what it is, and they probably will help you with it.
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Yes, i did a variation of this two years ago, it works. And according to the reps i spoke to, it still does. Although there is no need to transfer the upgrade. Activate the phone on your dumbphone line, then reactivate the dumbphone on that line. It will drop the data plan from the line and then you can activate the new phone onto your udp line. This is called an alternate upgrade. The reps i spoke to know what it is, and they probably will help you with it.
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Unfortunately this is no longer true. If you update one of the dumb lines and get a smart phone, the dump line will be locked in to a tiered data plan for 2 years. The carriers closed this loophole a few months ago.
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Can someone confirm if this would work....
I have a 5 line family plan. 3 smartphones and 2 dumbphones. 2 of the smartphones are UDP and one is 2GB. I have an upgrade available on a dumbphone line. I would like to move that upgrade from the dumbphone line to the 2GB tier smartphone line and get a new smartphone. Once the new smartphone is activated on the 2GB line, could I then swap the sim from the new phone and give my existing phone to the 2GB line and then put my UDP sim in the new phone without changing my UDP? I was hoping this could work as the upgrade is not from my UDP line which would cause me to lose my unlimited as I have read on the net. So would this scenario allow me to preserve my UDP? Thanks for any help!
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Great idea, but I'd double and triple check the new contract when you sign them though. Since the carries are doing it to the UDPs, they may apply the same restriction to all lines. IE., since the update comes from the dumb line, they may force you to sign up for a tiered data plan for 2 years on the dumb line.
... Just make sure you read the contact closely when you update
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Anybody get the S7 on a 2 year contract that had unlimited data and was still able to keep it with loophole? If so, how were you able to do it?
And I am not talking about Verizon $20 increase and making payments on phone.
When I go to the corporate verizon store they are able to upgrade me with the payment plan. When I do I overly stress that I can not lose unlimited. The last time they said this can only be done at a corporate store. Not sure about 2yr contact.
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reggie cheeks said:
When I go to the corporate verizon store they are able to upgrade me with the payment plan. When I do I overly stress that I can not lose unlimited. The last time they said this can only be done at a corporate store. Not sure about 2yr contact.
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Correct. Under 2yr deal you will lose unlimited. But was hoping to upgrade under the previous loophole.
I can make payments but have to wait until my contract is up in May and then have to wait another month so they can charge me the extra $20 then I can make monthly payments.
I still have UDP. We have 4 lines, I used an upgrade from a different line to get the S7. That lines upgrade has been used up and the contract on that line has been extended by 2 years whereas my UDP is unaffected
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I still have UDP. We have 4 lines, I used an upgrade from a different line to get the S7. That lines upgrade has been used up and the contract on that line has been extended by 2 years whereas my UDP is unaffected
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Yes, there is that option, but I was able to use both lines upgrades under 2 year deal and still keep unlimited data without having to use another lines upgrade. I have a theory that I will try and report back later if it works. They may have already plugged the last loophole to keep unlimited and stay under contract.
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Yes, there is that option, but I was able to use both lines upgrades under 2 year deal and still keep unlimited data without having to use another lines upgrade. I have a theory that I will try and report back later if it works. They may have already plugged the last loophole to keep unlimited and stay under contract.
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http://slickdeals.net/f/7743625-ver...a-2-year-data-plan-on-a-nationwide-basic-line
You could use the UDP upgrade to get the phone at the subsidized price, NEVER activate it, sell it, and buy whatever you want with it afterwards.
Could this new carrier sim lock have anything to do with people losing UDP through loophole now?
I tried to do the slickdeals way cause I was able to do it my last 2 phones (LG G2 & Note 4). The only thing I can think of is that my S7 shipped from store. So I think they activated before I got it.
Anybody got any possible solutions that I could try?
I am thinking about upgrading my wife's line then activate it on my line then switch it back to her line?
Just did this today on VZW successfully Grandfathered unlimited data still. The rep told me that the old strategy of activating on another line and then swapping would no longer work but he essentially did that and moved my old SIM from my Nexus 6 over and it worked perfectly.
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Just did this today on VZW successfully Grandfathered unlimited data still. The rep told me that the old strategy of activating on another line and then swapping would no longer work but he essentially did that and moved my old SIM from my Nexus 6 over and it worked perfectly.
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Are you paying the extra $20 on either line?
And your signed up for another 2 years?
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Are you paying the extra $20 on either line?
And your signed up for another 2 years?
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If you are refering to the extra $20 Verizon charges grandfathered data users now, yes (afaik this is done automatically by their billing department, not much you can do to avoid it except change the plan which loses unlimited data). Otherwise, not sure what you mean. I currently pay $50 per month for the unlimited data. The phone's contract is on the other family plan line but yes extended for another two years and subsidized S7 price of $200
Edit: To be clear, when you upgrade to a subsidized phone using another line, the contract gets extended (and updated) on that other line, not the unlimited data line. That's how the loophole works. The rep told me that now they are actually looking at MEID when you swap the phone onto the unlimited data lines in their system and if they see it's a newly activated Verizon phone (phones bought elsewhere or off contract are safe) they force you to lose unlimited data. Somehow my rep got around this by just inserting my existing SIM card in the phone during activation rather than using VZW's computer system. Then he reverted the other line to the old phone so my unlimited data line was untouched.
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If you are refering to the extra $20 Verizon charges grandfathered data users now, yes (afaik this is done automatically by their billing department, not much you can do to avoid it except change the plan which loses unlimited data). Otherwise, not sure what you mean. I currently pay $50 per month for the unlimited data. The phone's contract is on the other family plan line but yes extended for another two years and subsidized S7 price of $200
Edit: To be clear, when you upgrade to a subsidized phone using another line, the contract gets extended (and updated) on that other line, not the unlimited data line. That's how the loophole works. The rep told me that now they are actually looking at MEID when you swap the phone onto the unlimited data lines in their system and if they see it's a newly activated Verizon phone (phones bought elsewhere or off contract are safe) they force you to lose unlimited data. Somehow my rep got around this by just inserting my existing SIM card in the phone during activation rather than using VZW's computer system. Then he reverted the other line to the old phone so my unlimited data line was untouched.
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So what I did was order the S7 on my wife's upgrade line and we both have unlimited. I took out the new sim card and inserted her old one and it automatically switched the data to 2gb. So I took the phone back to get my unlimited back. That was the old loophole. Take out new sim and put old sim in.
But the only thing I can think of is that my phone was shipped from best buy store instead of warehouse maybe. So will try again from another retailer and see. Then bypass the activation on the phone and then insert my wife's sim after activating it on my line by inserting my sim card in it.
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So what I did was order the S7 on my wife's upgrade line and we both have unlimited. I took out the new sim card and inserted her old one and it automatically switched the data to 2gb. So I took the phone back to get my unlimited back. That was the old loophole. Take out new sim and put old sim in.
But the only thing I can think of is that my phone was shipped from best buy store instead of warehouse maybe. So will try again from another retailer and see. Then bypass the activation on the phone and then insert my wife's sim after activating it on my line by inserting my sim card in it.
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Ah yeah that's trickier. The main rule of thumb now is don't change or update plans period.The only way I've been able to do that is use an already tiered data line to upgrade and then swap it to my line. Bummer that just activation switched you to the new tiered plan though Best of luck getting it back
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Ah yeah that's trickier. The main rule of thumb now is don't change or update plans period.The only way I've been able to do that is use an already tiered data line to upgrade and then swap it to my line. Bummer that just activation switched you to the new tiered plan though Best of luck getting it back
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I did get it back. But it does seem like they plugged all the loopholes now.
I used to keep up with my wife and I unlimited data. We never used to go over 10gb a month combined. I ditched it because VZW offered me 20gb for $100 to share with my family, wife and two kids (who are cellphone less). Plus I get a 20% discount. So 20gb for $80. Those way I just buy my phones out right or pay monthly. I did this for the S7 edge. Sold my 6p and paid off the rest of the phone. Plus I got an additional 2gb for the upgrade so 22gb for $80.
I just upgraded to the S7 yesterday at BestBuy. They ran it through as a straight 2yr upgrade with no change to my UDP.
DOES NOT WORK!!! Had to reverse upgrade and go back to my note 4. They submitted a ticket, and now I'm waiting on my UDP to be restored.
Same rules still apply....
1. You CANNOT transfer/use the upgrade from a UDP line, or you will loose your UDP.
2. You CAN either buy a phone at full retail or on the device payment plan (on top of your current billing).
3. IF you have another non-UDP line on your account eligible for an upgrade, you can upgrade and activate the new device on that line. THEN, you can swap the SIM's.
**Meanwhile those VZW A$$HATS are still making bank on my plan (with the subsidized phone costs included) + the $20 bump they added last year.
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I just upgraded to the S7 yesterday at BestBuy. They ran it through as a straight 2yr upgrade with no change to my UDP.
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How did that happen? Can you be specific?
I just read one of your older post from the note 4 "unlimited data". So technically you are already paying the extra $20 for each one of your lines with UDP. I am still under contract. 1 line is up in May and the other is up in March 2017. I am trying the loophole without having to pay the extra $20 fee for UDP per line.
But if I am putting the pieces together from an older post that you have, you are paying the $20 fee per line with UDP and you were able to sign up for the the 2 year deal to get the S7 at $200? OR you upgraded 1 of your tiered phones and switched?
I only have 2 lines on my account and both have UDP. It's not worth it just to add a line to get the the phone to keep unlimited data before the $20 increase. BUT if what you are saying that you upgraded the line with UDP to a 2 year deal that has the $20 extra fee for unlimited data, then there is still hope. I just may have to wait until May so they can charge me the $20 fee then upgrade.
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How did that happen? Can you be specific?
I just read one of your older post from the note 4 "unlimited data". So technically you are already paying the extra $20 for each one of your lines with UDP. I am still under contract. 1 line is up in May and the other is up in March 2017. I am trying the loophole without having to pay the extra $20 fee for UDP per line.
But if I am putting the pieces together from an older post that you have, you are paying the $20 fee per line with UDP and you were able to sign up for the the 2 year deal to get the S7 at $200? OR you upgraded 1 of your tiered phones and switched?
I only have 2 lines on my account and both have UDP. It's not worth it just to add a line to get the the phone to keep unlimited data before the $20 increase. BUT if what you are saying that you upgraded the line with UDP to a 2 year deal that has the $20 extra fee for unlimited data, then there is still hope. I just may have to wait until May so they can charge me the $20 fee then upgrade.
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@anrichardson I edited my post. You cannot touch an upgrade on/from a UDP line and keep unlimited data.
Reporting my experience on #3. No need to activate then swap SIMS, I simply removed the shipped SIM before first boot and inserted the SIM from my UDP line. UDP still intact after new billing cycle.
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Reporting my experience on #3. No need to activate then swap SIMS, I simply removed the shipped SIM before first boot and inserted the SIM from my UDP line. UDP still intact after new billing cycle.
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Can you explain further?
Because I upgraded my wife's line with UDP and turned old phone off and took out old sim out as well as taking out new sim before turning on. I then put old sim into S7 then booted up and that is where I lost my UDP.
Edit: By your expierence, did you try this after Verizon implamented the $20 price increase for UDP? Because I have done twice before they charged $20 extra and worked just fine for me too, but trying now with the S7 doesn't seem to work and like others as well.
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Can you explain further?
Because I upgraded my wife's line with UDP and turned old phone off and took out old sim out as well as taking out new sim before turning on. I then put old sim into S7 then booted up and that is where I lost my UDP.
Edit: By your expierence, did you try this after Verizon implamented the $20 price increase for UDP? Because I have done twice before they charged $20 extra and worked just fine for me too, but trying now with the S7 doesn't seem to work and like others as well.
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OK so I upgraded my UDP line on 11/14/15 (The LAST day for the Best Buy "Keep Existing Plan" method), ordered online, shipped S6 Edge+ to home removed the SIM before first boot, placed my wife's SIM (Non-Unlimited Line) in new phone, destroyed toxic SIM that Best Buy shipped, thus avoiding the $20/month UDP price hike. Then, I pre-ordered the S7 Edge, received on 3/9/16, before first boot removed SIM, swapped SIM from my UDP Device. Activated fine, avoided activation fee, kept $30/month UDP (until 11/15/17) left everything completely the same on my wife's tiered data plan.
No issue whatsoever, even got my new bill two days ago after using S7 Edge on UDP for exactly two weeks. To be clear, I never activated the S7 Edge on the line which I used the upgrade, never switched upgrades, just used my wife's upgrade and never let the S7 activate on that line. No issues with initial activation.