Hi Guys. Looking for honest opinions on the Nexus 7 (2013) as I have the Nexus 7 (2012) 32Gb and am looking to upgrade. Want to know if it's worth it? I know the spec is better, but wanted some opinions of people who have used it to advise how it feels, have the touchscreen issues been fixed, and other reported issues with first batches. Many Thanks in advanced
Is an upgrade in every aspect of the first. The screen is sooooo much better and with the new processor there is zero lag. Those were my main two issues with the first and I'm extremely happy with the second one.
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I'm coming from the ASUS TF300T (10" tablet). Granted, I never used the OG N7, but the TF300T also has a Tegra 3 processor, just clocked a little slower.
Physical differences:
While the change in size was a little bit of an adjustment for me (took like 20mins of use), it quickly grew on to me. I can easily hold it with one hand, as opposed to resting the 10" across my upper arm/wrist. It also fits into the pocket of just about any of my pants, and you would never tell.
Speed vs. Lag:
I can tell you that the difference between the two is night and day. You barely notice the tab slow down if you are installing/updating apps. There were times where the browser would not respond to my pinches, but the navigation bar would still respond as normal. I'm not sure if that's a problem with the tablet, or with Chrome. Might be Chrome, but I haven't used ugh of the other browsers (except for Dolphin, which allows me to save my downloads where I want to before it begins).
Multitasking is awesome. You sometimes forget which apps were running in the background, but 8 different apps later, and the old ones still reload instantly, without any redraw.
Conclusion:
This was my short review of the N7.2. I know that I left out a lot of topics, but I listed the reasons why I switched. Yes, the OG N7 isn't slow, but going forward, you will begin to see where its older hardware begins to lag behind.
The upgrade isn't necessary, in my opinion, but it's worth the money. If it's too much of a sacrifice, then simply wait for something that's way better.
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Big upgrade for me. The screen is much better, imo, and I don't have any touchscreen issues.
I like the slightly slimmer form factor, and the speed bump is noticeable to me.
No regrets upgrading from the original N7 here.
Look at it like this:
I am speaking from experience I own both models 2012 and 2013
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
Now... as far as overall smooth performance and usage the new N7 is the clear winner since it runs at higher frequencies and has a better CPU, better screen with higher ppi. You also have more RAM, dual speakers, two cameras, and less bezzel.
They are both great I own N7 2012 32GB wifi and N7 2013 32GB LTE.
I use my old one only for games so memory is full now and use my new one mainly for every thing from emails for work, apps, surfing and even voice calls with groove ip. you can still play games and they look great but I feel tegra is always going to deliver slightly and maybe even better gaming performance with future tegra chips.
hope it helps this is just my take on it
Edit: Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely an upgrade in every sense of the word, and I would say go and upgrade but it really depends what you use it for and if it makes sense to spend the money as well. The new N7 is a great device and I waited for it very much until the ATT version came out on GOOGLE PLAY.. just depends what you want it for that's all
sk8trix said:
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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i have a tegra 3 device and an Xperia Z (adreno 320-1080p).
on the z every game works lagfree on highest graphics, on tegra there are a lot of lags and stutters.
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Whether to upgrade or not is going to come down to personal wants and needs, I think.
My personal experience:
I've spent a total of probably an hour, over the course of a couple visits, playing with the 2013 model at a local store. That was enough device time for me to decide that the upgrade wasn't worth it....for me. I did everything I normally do (or as much as possible with a display model) on the 2013 and came away underwhelmed. For my needs (reading, email, news, calendar) I really couldn't tell the difference between the two (the screen included).
Anyway, my needs are obviously simple, so mileage will vary.
I have upgraded and can say: A huge improvement!
On the 2012 model, display contrast was poor, and text was not completely sharp - so you could read web sites with small text on it, but it was straining for the eyes, especially when the text was not black (e.g grey like in the Play Store or Youtube app).
On the 2013 model, all is very easily readable and eye-friendly (although my Tablet Z has even better contrast).
This alone is worth an upgrade.
I like my new Nexus 7, just as much as I enjoyed the 1st gen I had.
As the old model is an awesome tablet, I managed to sell it easily, and the price to upgrade was minimal, so that was a great incentive to upgrade. The new model has these improvements that I think is worth the upgrade:
A) the faster speed/processor plus the 2MB ram... everything is just slightly less laggy, most notably when multitasking many RAM-heavy apps at once, and switching back and forth between them
B) the dual/stereo speakers is a nice upgrade
C) the lack of any noticible pixels in the screen due to the massive resolution bump-up
D) the form factor of both models is excellent, but the new one is a bit lighter (quite a bit) plus thinner and all around better to handle
E) I don't have a cellphone, so the rear camera is a nice addition
Really though, both are excellent in all regards... I don't play GPU intensive games, so maybe there is a reason to upgrade as well, but I doubt it... If you can sell your 1st one easily, do it... Whoever gets your old one will be getting a killer tablet, and you will be (slightly) future-proofing yourself by having the latest and greatest.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Tegra 4 GPU isn't that bad. It's just a bit better than Adreno 320 but behind 330.
I have the tf300 and now the n7 2013, I think for browsing and other small things they are equally smooth (provided you run 4.3 on the tf300, otherwise it's laggy as hell) but I have to say this screen is beautiful, as good as the HTC one x (which is pretty damn good, just not as good as the HTC one), font in portrait are crisp and easy to read, unlike for instance the tf300 which could really only be used in landscape. Viewing angles are good too unlike for instance the tablet z.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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sk8trix said:
I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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agreed.
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Wow. From preliminary testing, the Sensation's performance is pretty underwhelming. I was seriously considering it before I got the SGS2 because I've had a lot of luck with HTC phones and I like the QHd screen. I'm not Sensation bashing but the results speak for themselves. The phone got really low quadrant scores when it was tested pre-production as the Pyramid. They've improved, but not tremendously.
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SlashGear 5/20/11 - In terms of performance, the Galaxy S II keeps its crown at this early stage. We ran benchmarking tool Quadrant Advanced, and the Samsung scored 3504 overall, with 7119 in the CPU category. In contrast, the HTC managed 2245 overall, with 5918 in the CPU category. I/O is also low, at half the score that the GSII manages. Bear in mind, though, that raw benchmarks generally don’t tell the whole story, and depending on how HTC (and Samsung) throttles its processor, results will vary widely (you can see that in the video above, where both phones get different in a different run of Quadrant; the CPU appears to be so new that Quadrant can’t identify it, either, in the System Info pane).
It’s too early to say whether the Sensation offers enough to take the Galaxy S II’s spot at the top of our Android leaderboard, that will have to wait for the full review. Its display holds up surprisingly well to Samsung’s Super AMOLED Plus, though we’ll have to see whether it can match the GSII’s impressively lengthy battery life.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-video-20153280/
For skeptics, go here and watch the benchmarking and web browsing tests of the Sensation before leaping to its defense.
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen
P.S. - I'm sure as HTC's flagship it's a great phone and will undoubtedly serve millions of users well and develop a loyal fan base. But, for this user, I'm happy I went with the SGS2.
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
In fairness to the HTC, Quadrant scores really have to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride for the most part. Still, unless they have put a decent battery in the thing, I can't imagine it will compete in that respect. The Desire HD has a terrible battery life.
EDIT - having looked at the HTC's specs it really is in 2nd place behind the Samsung in my view. At best it could match the performance of the Exynos but I suspect it won't be able to when software is written to take advantage of Samsung's chip, it only has 768mb of ram (as opposed to 1gb on the GS2) and 1gb of internal storage unless you put a card in it (in comparison to 16gb on the GS2 currently). Then there is the battery life which is less. You only have to look at the screen shot above to see the screen isn't as good quality wise. In fact, apart from the increased screen resolution and perhaps HTC Sense, I can't see a single thing I would take over the Samsung.
You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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dk206 said:
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either
dk206 said:
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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CPU test has nothing to do with resolution.
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we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either
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I wonder if there is any method to test the full potential of the gpu bypassing the 60fps cap? Just to know what this is capable of
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You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.
BarryH_GEG said:
I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.
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WOW, and that's with "on demand" flash..? the SGSII gets WAY better than that with "always on" It really is like night & day when it comes to performance. I guess you gotta take into consideration that the sensation IS a QHD screen..? More pixels..? Either way, the super amoled + makes up for that loss and then some.
Galaxy S2 is better but I love the build quality of the Sensation
The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?
Looking at the article on Anandtech
anandtech(dot)com/show/4144/lg-optimus-2x-nvidia-tegra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
The Qualcomm CPU is only partially out of order. It is more similar to a Cortex A8 than the Cortex A9. Since A9 is faster than A8, I guess, clock for clock comparision, Sensation's slower performance is expected.
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CPU test has nothing to do with resolution.
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The cpu part of quadrant or the benchmark overall?
Because resolution is a HUGE part in scores.
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No, only ~500 less.
Its even below droid X2....
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The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.
intruda119 said:
The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?
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Starting to wonder if the bad audio (both loudspeaker, and tinny call quality) have something to do with the build materials used? Both Samsung and Motorola = plastic and have superior sound in comparison. Sigh, guess I'm waiting until a Canadian carrier picks up the GS2, and hopefully by then, most issues with it are sorted.
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The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.
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I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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Your not alone. Not that I didn't like it, I just find LauncherPro better. ON my Desire - it's a LOT let laggy. A few widgets and it was lag-central on Sense - but i will miss the general UI if I get a GSII such as the round-edged-rectangular boxes, the colours. I generally prefer it to the blocky rectangles on TOuchWiz, but then again TW looks really sleek.
Also people must stop confusing build quality with "feel". the build quality is "supposed" to be superb. it's made from a lot of plastic, yet there are no creaks. It's the the lightness and the "feel" of the plastic that makes it feel like a "poor" phone. There is only one upside though - when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)
when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)
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Brb dropping phone off of a building
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Brb dropping phone off of a building
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haa. Just trying to apply physics GCSE revision to real life situations!
Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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You can't differentiate the performance of both device by general use.
Lets say the SGS has 1000BHP engine while the SGS2 has 2400BHP engine....
And general usage only requires 200BHP. In this scenario there will be no differences in performance because the extra horses haven't been utilised.
Therefore, you'd only see a difference in both devices if, i.e. an application the takes up for than 1000 horses AKA "1000BHP" simply because the SGS2 can output more "BHP" at peak than what the SGS can offer.
Semaphore kernels have touchscreen sensitivity set to "Sensitive(chainfire)" by default. That explains why touchscreen sensitivity on SGS with Semaphore kernel is higher than a SGS2 with stock kernel (both screens should be roughly identical on stock).
And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
There is still a lot of potential in our devices spike the fact that it is nearly 2 years from release unlike the HTC desire which struggled in the graphics department since it was released! ~ Asphalt 5..-_-
P.S. our device is till a runner up for productivity & Graphics
We are seeing compatibility with newer gameloft titles (<<<<funny that O2X's tegra versions run a awful lot better than PowerVR ones) and console quality games.
Official CyanogenMOD support and XDA dev support brings miracles
My sgs with debloated JW4, rfs (data/data smlink to dbdata), sephamore bigmem (default clock), is almost identical to my gf's sgs2 (factory rom) in speed, opening apps, web-browser etc.
And I overclock mine to 1.2ghz, it is incredibly fast . But my phone doesn't handle OC well at all
But of course, I think if the updates/mods her firmware, the sgs2 will be faster. but the SGS2 was not an amazing upgrade for me at all, it is like ip4 to ip4s.
Agreed, if the sgs2 was 'tuned' then it would be much faster, I was surprised to find my sgs keeping up with the sgs2 tho' as it appeared much slower when I last compared them
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Galaxy s has better 3D performance than s2.
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Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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Another fact is gingerbread has poor dual core support. On ICS difference is bigger. But s2 and s is very close because of our devs. S is even better on some 3D parts. Mali gpu is 400mhz which is 2x of our gpu. Anyway our gpu wins it with 200mhz on some 3D textures. Think when we live oc it.
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And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
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This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.
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This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.
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I didn't say it was better, it was just about how the pixels were arranged. RGB is the best
Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, I think there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.
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Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.
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Agreed, saw no reason to sign up to an 18/24 month contract for the SGS2 when I don't play high end games. Genuinely have had the most pleasant time with this phone, more than any other phone I have owned and it STILL isn't letting me down, especially with Voodoo Sound. Thats why I will be getting the SGSIII. People dig at Samsung for some reason but I honestly don't know why, their phones are awesome. HTC phones are plagued with bugs and issues, the overall user satisfaction between the two is phenomenal, I didn't come close to having this feeling with HTC's phones. (Hero, HD2 & Desire).
Frankly is like comparing a Bicycle with a Motorcycle ... both have wheels, handle bars, etc but let's be realistic here.
SGS is fine, a cool phone, huge development potential but it will never be able to top a dual core that punches double the ram we have.
You can throw whatever daily scenario at it and I can bet you you will be more pleased with the SGS2 simple because you won't be annoyed by memory swapping (even with 370 MB kernels I feel the need for more RAM).
Only if you keep the ROMS clean without anything else but stock apps you will most likely wasting your money on SGS2, better yet buy an old phone that handles just calls, smartphones are for running apps.
Currently have both, and to be honest "form factor" of SI is better for me.
JW5 gingerbread + Semaphore is incredible!!!
S1 has better battery life, less lag, better colors, better sound, better development, and reached maturity where everything just works.
S2 still has a great dual core and working gps.
Thats what I said! I did notice the poor battery life on the sgs2, I swear I could almost see the battery level move as I used it...
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I don't get this???
U are saying that sgs and gs2 is equal in performance,screen resolution and so on
There is huge difference in those to phones in all aspects,gs2 is a lot better in every possible way u can think of. Don't get me wrong,i love my sgs and will never sell it,but u can't compare a sgs with a costum rom and a gs2 with stock rom, compare when both are on stock or costum rom for a fair and clear result. But even when sgs is costum and gs2 is stock the gs2 is alot better on high performance.
Btw. I've had my sgs for more than 18month and my gs2 since 11/5-2011 and my first custom rom was insanity on one of his first froyo build(0.21 i think.
Thanx
Edit:gs2 battery is poor on ics,but on ginger there's only about 30 min difference
But who wants to still be using GB? The SGS was an IS a remarkable phone, remember all that time people spent moaning when Samsung said it wasn't getting ICS? Yet here all of us are, running it smoother than ever with better battery life than the SGS2. Don't get me wrong I am not digging at the SII, its a brilliant phone and I probably would have taken it had I been due an upgrade around then, however, no one and I mean no one can slate the SGS for what its been capable of, its far surpassed most peoples expectations, including mine.
yeah our galaxy was / is a cool / great phone. but it's slowly becoming outdated in terms of performance when it comes to daily tasks and multitasking - I for one (and I repeat myself) am hurting due to low ram always.
you can barely run services in the background. add a custom keyboard and some fancy stuff and boom you will get lag. you can run FROYO, GB, ICS you name it, once ram gets "depleted" everything is slower.
Yeah I do agree that if you do have a lot running at once it can start to get sluggish, but I've personally accepted it since ICS and keep processes to a bare minimum. I suppose once I upgrade hopefully to the next Galaxy phone they bring out I'll get back into the swing of maxing out the phone but for now I'm quite content with stock ICS and just using simple tasking apps
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-10-review/
Still believe Galaxy Note 10.1 is the best all-around tablet on the market but Nexus 10 is a worthy contender.
Yes agree with you it blows away Nexus 10 I said all along A15 will not be a superior processor to Ex4 because Samsung will not kill its own trademark product for another co branded
Nexus 10 ($399) ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 ($499) ASUS Transformer Prime ($499) Samsung GalaxyNote10.1
Quadrant 4,551 4,685 4,137 5,695
Vellamo 1,605 1,475 1,418 2,395
AnTuTu 8,731 12,027 10,269 11,962 (12153 on Antutu )
SunSpider 0.9.1 (ms) 1,371 2,012 1,861 1,193
CF-Bench 9,772 7,874 11,861 13,157
SunSpider: lower scores are better
So now it is note 10.1 outperforms on all test by some margin and that when its still running ICS, JB will improve performace
Really striking how none of the Android Tabs get "Strong Thumbs Up" from Engadget - with every Android device they find something wrong..
With Note 10.1 - it was the feel (felt cheap to them), bragged about the (low res) screen, S-Pen an "okay" feature, it's pricing etc.
Wit N10 - Screen is "okay" - are you kidding me, battery/performance is bad (it could be but they seem to focus on negatives), no specific detail on 4.2 feature list, pricing again, etc.
How can an iPad always get great reviews no matter how good/bad it is (never highlight their negatives) most of the reviews are always on their positives (mainly screen and apps) - this is just beyond me - and if this is pre-sales version these guys are testing, they should be putting up a note that once the device is ready numbers/facts would change (for better) - In fact, why Google/Samsung allow these to be reviewed at this stage
Very interesting review. I'm anxious to see AnandTech, GSMArena, or Swedroid do a detailed evaluation of the display. Below are some comments from PhoneArena discussing the N10's display. Samsung had shown two possible variants yet it appears the N10 is using a third. That would explain some of the loss of brightness and contrast Engadget mentioned.
Samsung showcased two 10" 2560x1600 panels at the FPD expo last year, one with the PLS-LCD technology plus the IGZO driver elements Apple got so fond of with its Sharp investment, and the other with an RGBW matrix arrangement, which is essentially a PenTile version for LCD screens.
The IGZO screen was still in development then, and Samsung said it didn't have any plans yet what to do with it, whereas the PenTile one was ready to go into mass production this year, but it actually seems that Google wanted the RGB stripe type, as two reports quote its reps calling the Nexus 10 screen "True RGB Real Stripe PLS".
Thus we have a true 300ppi pixel density, with three subpixels per pixel, but there might be minor tradeoffs in the RGB matrix version compared to the PenTile 2560x1500 screen. First off, the specs for the stripe matrix Samsung display quoted at the FPD expo were 300 nits vs 400 nits of brightness, since the PenTile arrangement is RGBW, with one clear (white) pixel that lets more backlight through, thus lowering power consumption to what you normally get with 1280x800 screen. Besides this lower brightness, the RGB type was quoted to have 500:1 contrast, compared to 900:1 for the PenTile version.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...ush-4-million-pixels-are-they-PenTile_id36103
I'm kind of surprised at the performance. On paper an A15 chip, even dual core, should outperform an A9 chip. Even Teg3, a dated 40nm SoC that's fifteen months old outperformed it; running an overlay no less. I know a lot of you guys loath TouchWiz and Samsung's tweaking of the OS. But they tailor each device’s s/w to the individual h/w it's running on. Android 4.2 is generic and has no optimizations specifically for the N10. I'd bet that's why some of the scores are as low as they are more so than poor h/w performance. I think the N10 will be like the GN. Out of the box both are pretty average. Because they are AOSP the development and performance improvement potential is huge. I think in the hands of the devs you'll see those Engadget scores blown through the roof.
AnandTech, GSMArena, or Swedroid also do a much better job at benchmarking than the utility sites like Engadget. I'll bet a detailed analysis of the GPU will show some pretty spectacular results. I ran GLBenchmark 2.5 and got 15FPS where the N10 got 33.
I'd also like to see some more standardized testing of battery life than Engadget's casual testing.
So at the end of the day the N10 is just like every other Nexus device. Generic in its approach and offering good value. I doubt the general consumer looking at it will see anything but the pixel count of the display. With its retina display, Apple's trained people that the higher the PPI the better and more premium the product. Hell, even they are taking flack based on using a perfectly fine but not "retina” display on the Mini.
Interesting times ahead...
I said this and will say it again all the tech sites are biased I would not be surprised that part of apples marketing budget goes towards please them. As far benchmarks are concerned they cannot be rigged atleast of what I know. But we should remember that the gigantic screen resolution is resource hungary secondly a quad core processor of Samsung is faster then A15 by around 20% or so if I am not wrong but we forget that it is using two cores instead to four.
What I am surprised is that the battery life even the battery is 2000 mah more is still less by around an hour compared to note which is a surprise.
I think this performance gap will increase with note getting JB
One more point Samsung will not hit is own product like by giving a superior product to its competitor unlike what LG has done may be they saw they were doomed so they took the call. None the less Nexus will directly compete against the note and tab 2 so Samsung will not make it better then them. They are not fools
I always said before nexus 10 reviews were out that A15 WILL NOT out perform Exenos 4 and most of the experts did not agree with me but my stand is vindicated now
Anandtech's posted some benchmarks a few hours ago. It's not a full test but it's a lot more detailed than Engadget's. They tell a different story than Engadget's too and are close to what you'd expect.
CPU Performance
The big story when it comes to CPU performance is a look at how the Cortex A15s perform under Android. Unfortunately we're still left with mostly browser based benchmarks to measure CPU performance, which actually highlights a major issue in our testing: Android V8 optimization doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good as it is under Chrome OS or Windows. As a result, all of the Nexus 10 performance scores end up slower than the new Chromebook - despite using the same SoC and running Chrome on both platforms. It's also possible that the Exynos 5 Dual in the Chromebook is allowed to burn a bit more power, translating to better performance, but either way the solution here in the Nexus 10 doesn't look as good across the board. BrowserMark puts the Nexus 10 behind many platforms that should be faster, I'm even wondering here if there's some hard partitioning of memory bandwidth between the CPU nd GPU to drive the 2560 x 1600 display that's simply choking the CPU here. Octane is the first test where the Cortex A15s are really able to flex their muscle - the Exynos 5 Dual based Nexus 10 manages to outperform the RAZR i by 34%, and compared to the A6/Swift based iPhone 5 the advantage grows to 64%
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This section is particularly exciting because it's our first look at ARM's new Mali-T604 GPU in our standard mobile 3D performance suite. We've already seen the Nexus 4's Adreno 320 in action, but the Nexus 10's behavior here should be interesting to see. As far as raw fillrates are concerned, both Nexus devices do quite well here at their native resolutions. The iPad and iPhone 5 are both quicker, but we're still good gains over the previous generation of hardware - particularly for the Mali-T604. Compared to the Mali-400MP4 in the Galaxy S 3, we're seeing more than 2x the performance out of ARM's latest GPU. The T604 is ARM's first unified shader architecture, which gives it far more balanced pixel/vertex shader performance. The result is a more than 4x increase in triangle throughput compared to the Mali 400MP4. It's not enough to give the Nexus 10 the edge over the latest Apple devices, but it's a huge improvement over where ARM was in the previous generation. The Adreno 320 continues to be quite strong here as well.
Battery Life
Display
I had the same impression while reading the Engadget review. Why the negative tone throughout the article? A few positives that he mentioned were always followed with a "but, ....". I also don't get the "Nexus 7 was premium, this feels cheap" argument. I have a N7 for my son, and it is just mediocre in terms of built quality and the materials used. So, a dotted plastic/rubber is OK, but a coated plastic (with a thin layer of rubber probably) is not OK? Do they have anything against Samsung?
A lot of BS in there... why the hel compare a tablet with a bunch of phones?!? anyway, I stopped trusting online rewievs after my tf700 fiasco. I think most of them are paid by apple in order to hurt their biggest rival. I remember I red about 5 rewievs and all of them put iPad first, tf700 seccond and the note far far down the list. That pos asus does not deserve the money, every component is inferior except the display.
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My bad. I forgot to post the link to the story. It's a preliminary performance review of the N4 and N10 together which is why it looks jumbled. Anand is one of the only reviewers to "out" Asus' IO issues so at least he can be considered somewhat objective.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
These news sites don't run a web site, pay for internet connectivity and hire editors for free. They're obviously funded some way but I'll let you use your imagination.
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These news sites don't run a web site, pay for internet connectivity and hire editors for free. They're obviously funded some way but I'll let you use your imagination.
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I agree with you that some sites are pretty flimsy and "garage" operations. Not all are. AnandTech, Swedroid, and GSMArena all put devices through standardized rigorous tests. That's why I rely on those three sites for benchmarks and opinion (even if it's subjective). All three are more like Consumer Reports than Motor Trend in their approach to reviews and rankings.
Here's GSMArena's testing methodology. It's six pages long.
"The GSMArena Labs are tests designed to give an objective account of how a device performs in real-world scenarios. In short, it's about what you can expect from a gadget you're planning to buy. Our tests are constantly being developed and refined to keep up with the latest emerging technology. We aim to give you real results, avoiding convoluted technical jargon, so you can easily compare all tested devices."
http://www.gsmarena.com/gsmarena_lab_tests-review-751.php
quadrant score is actually 6000+ for Note 10.1 on jelly bean... so the difference is actually more than reported by engadget.
How Comes the LG Optimus G is way faster than the Nexus 4 ? Same Resolution, Same Chip! Or is the Nexus 4 limited in Power ?
btt: I would be heavy dissapointed if the 5250 wouldn't be way faster than the 4412!
Surprisingly note 10.1 is missing in comparison
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Because it's optimized and n4 is running stock version this answers the question I guess to those who said stock is faster
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It's not. It shuts out the hardest part of the test due to stress and the score is based only on the (easy) parts that were completed.
Despite being based on the same hardware, the Optimus G is able to post a much higher score here than the Nexus 4. The explanation is simple: the Optimus G can't complete a single, continuous run of GLBenchmark 2.5 - the app will run out of texture memory and crash if you try to run through the entire suite in a single setting. The outcome is that the Optimus G avoids some otherwise nasty throttling. The Nexus 4 on the other hand manages to complete everything, but likely quickly throttles its clocks down due to thermal constraints. The Nexus 4 was really hot by the end of our GLBenchmark run, which does point to some thermal throttling going on here. I do wonder if the Snapdragon S4 Pro is a bit too much for a smartphone, and is better suited for a tablet at 28nm.
I had a G2X and am wary of any LG product because of it. The Optimus G is already having overheating problems and based on what Anand said above it could carry over to the N4 also. The GN got great reviews when it first came out then in people's hand it turned out to have a dim display, crappy camera, and dismal battery life. For those interested in the N4 I'd advise waiting until it's been in people's hand a while before pulling the trigger. It's not like they're going to run out.
One big problem: I did most of my testing with the screen brightness set to maximum. I noticed it dip considerably after about 10 or 15 minutes of benchmarking. When I checked on it in the phone's Settings, I saw the brightness level had dropped down to 66 percent. I tried to turn it back up, and got the message, "Unable to brighten more due to high temperature. Try again later." This happened on multiple occasions. Especially when using processor-intensive applications like games, the top half of the phone became increasingly warm. LG claims it has not encountered this problem, but this (AT&T) device, along with two test units on Sprint all showed the same behavior in our tests.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411169,00.asp
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Anand didn't test it. GSMArena did but used different benchmarking tools. Here's the two that were common. Don't underestimate the things Samsung's done to optimize the s/w for the Note's h/w. There are no platform specific optimizations on a Nexus device. Of course that could change once the devs get their hands on it.
SunSpider (Lower is Better)
1194 - Note 10.1
1384 - N10
2101 - TF700 (ICS)
BrowserMark (Higher is Better)
162657 - Note 10.1
139551 - N10
118375 - TF700 (ICS)
I'm reading opinions on the internet, watching reviews, tests, comparisons between new Note tablet and iPad Air but I still cant decide which device choose. I'm android user, Id rather buy android tablet than iOS but many many opinions on youtube and xda also says that Note has lags and device is very slow.. I know that there is S pen and its unique functionality on tablets market but it's not important thing to me, even if i would fall in love with stylus. For me most important is smoothness. So iPad is great because of smooth experience, and great tablet-optimized apps (design also is great but it doesn't matter). Note has SD slot and android so there would be easy to share files between my devices (i'm using Galaxy S4). I would stand every inconvenience of android if the tablet wasn't laggy and slow. There is many people who has Air and returned it to get Note and it would be great if they join discussion.
Hello Patroy,
I have been an apple fan for a long time but when I got my iPhone 5S I was really angry at how crap the phone and OS was. I'm giving my girlfriend my iPad 4 and staying with android now. I looked on youtube and there wasn't too many videos relating to the note 10.1 2014, so I decided to make some.
iPhone 5S(IOS7) and why I am switching to Android:
TL;DR: iPhone 5S was a huge letdown and IOS7 is baaaad.
Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 First impressions:
TL;DR: Note 10.1 2014 is pretty lag free and performs better than the iPhone 5S/iPad4.
I'm also recording some new videos relating to Touchwiz, Optimizations, IOS7vsAndroid,Apps, Games, etc. If there is a video you would like me to make, feel free to ask.
edit: Benchmarks are done. 10.1 = 2x better than iPad 4 and equal to iPad air. 10.1 wins overall. Video will be up in an hour or 2.
But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..
After performing all of the updates, the only lag I experience is the wakeup lag in the lock screen. I'm sure this can be fixed by installing some custom Roms that will come available soon.everything else is extremly smooth unlike other galaxy devices I have used in the past
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But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..
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l don t want to ruin Surprise , but the Galaxy 10.1 has the least lag. Far less laggy than the A7 in iPhone 5 (same specs as ipad air). This 10.1 is literallhnearly completely lag free, unlike ios7. Looking forward to showing the benchmark video whe its finished rendering.
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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns
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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns
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Im not talking about just benchmarks. The UI and everything is more fluid. Higher FPS and definitely smoother than ios7. The reason that racing game couldn't go high was because the developer didnt know such a bigh resolution device existed and is being sorted now so we can play highest in the next update. I have played Dead Trigger 2 and Real Racing 3 and they both look better o tbis tabket because of the higher resolution and some ga es have better effects. I wish my camera wasnt so bad because there is no lag or slowdowns.
On the ipad we saw a game benchmark where the game was getting 7fps at times on the ipad 4 (iphone 5s/ipad air around 13fps) and o the tab the lowest fps it got to was 17fps and that was very very rare. The lag was noticable on my iphone 5s and very rareoy happened on this tab.
That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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I have a 3rd gen I pad because back then everything offered by Android was pretty much beta. Went and bought an I pad air few weeks ago played with but it bored me to hell.. no innovation on apples part. Went and bought a note 10.1 and wow the device actually feels like a step forward. I haven't been able to put it down. Learning all the little tips/tricks is actually enjoyable. The spen really comes in handy and the multi tasking windows beats all. Sure it has a little lag here in there but nothing that keeps you from doing some thing. The Air would just crash the app and i think it has something to do with the 1 gig of memory off loading. Anyways yes the air has better battery life but note can still do 10 hours np. My air is going back.
Go into a electronic shop and play with the Note 10.1 for 10mins then go do the same with the Ipad Air. I bet you will get bored of the Air straightaway...Apple is just soo boring now.
I used to love Apple ages ago because they truely kicked started Smartphones and Tablets and they were the best in my eyes. But now I find them soo boring and android phones and tablets have not only caught uo but passed Apple. Each to their own i guess...If you still prefer the Air after playing with both well then you know which one to buy.
My Note hasnt been laggy once and I havent had issues that some claim. And I'm like you, i didnt really care for the spen much but i find myself using it more and more...Truley awesome.
Eitherway they are both great products when you really think about it, just the Note is Miles Miles better
I was searching for note in electronic shop but i couldn't find them anywhere, I was playing with the Air and I agree with you its booring and after 15 mins of using it i figured out that I know everything about this os but i was thinking there is nothing better than the ipad now. My first plan was buying nexus 10 2013 but id turned out that N10 2013 doesn't exist...
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Turns out after slme customizations, my note 10.1 has 14 hour battery life. Beats my ipad by a few hours. Awesome.
Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1
The only time I really experienced lag with my Note 10.1 2014 edition was when I first got mine, but I had pre-ordered so I got it the day of release. . The lag was definitely a software issue but all new products have some sorts of issues but they get fixed fairly quickly. After about a week give or take Samsung released an update which helped speed things up. Later after that they released another update to smooth things out further. Currently, my Note runs perfectly; very smooth and fast. I can't really speak on the Ipad's part, as I have not owned one.
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Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1
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Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air
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Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air
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The iPad Air does a fraction of what the N10.1-14 does functionally. Strip out simple multitasking, multiview, S Pen, and all the other creation features and the N10.1-14 would be equally fluid. Android as an OS is just as fluid as iOS in AOSP form. That is until you start adding in tons of apps and syncs that create open threads and consume resources which the N10.1-14 has tons of to power its features. So people have a choice - limited functionality and completely smooth transitions or tons of functionality, true multitasking, and, in the N10.1-14's case, the best creation and productivity tool on the planet and deal with the occasional millisecond long stutter. I choose the latter and don't feel the N10.1-14 lags in any noticeable or chronic way. People looking for a pretty display to read, browse, and consume media probably should buy an iPad; that's who they are made for.
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Just go into best buy or frys and play with it for a while. Nobody here is going to have the same opinion as you will on how "laggy" the tablet is.
Not that i dont enjoy the discussion but at this point, we have given you our opinion, so all that's left is to try it.
Another option is to just buy it on Amazon, if you dont like it, then return it.
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I have both, got my note 10.1 yesterday. Both have their pros and cons and I honestly enjoy using both. My note is the Wi-Fi octa core version, I wish it had the Snapdragon 800 instead.
I'd say the screens are almost equal, maybe a slight edge to the iPad. Audio quality threw headphones is pretty much even, the iPad speakers are better.
Hopefully the dev support will pick up for the note. I'd love to have cm 11 on this.
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iLagPad Air is a POS. Don't listen to people and the hype but actually try one yourself. This is what I notice right away within the first 5 minutes:
- Two types of Safari browser lag.
- First type is jello, flag or wave effect. Hold the iLagPad in portrait orientation, browse to The Verge (just as an example although I don't recommend that site as they lick Apple sponsor's nuts and will filter any negative facts) in full desktop mode, scroll up and down casually, look at the horizontal edges of the big page wide blocks where it suffers from the wavy flaggy jello effect because the GPU can't keep up with the resolution.
- Second type appears to be vsync which makes vertical scrolling look consistent but slow at about 20fps. For example, vertically flick scroll through The Verge's main page in full desktop mode as quickly as you can from top to bottom. It takes about 3 seconds. Do the same on a Note 3 with the current version of Chrome and it's about one second.
With extended use you'll run into more serious issues like blue screen of death and low memory crashes:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/23817728
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206
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Those links were interesting; especially the low memory one. I don't follow Apple products and just assume from reviews they are "utopianly perfect." I guess the grass really isn't greener on the other side, just "different."
"Google Pixel C 10.2" Tablet With 308ppi, Detachable Keyboard, Lightbar, And Android Marshmallow Coming Later This Year"
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10.2-inch 2560 x 1800 308 PPI touch display with a brightness level of 500 nits
Tegra X1 processor with Maxwell GPU
32 or 64 GB storage
3GB RAM
Android 6.0 Marshmallow
Price:
32 GB - $499
62 GB - $599
Keyboard
$149
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Fool me twice google?
It has a 10.2in, 308ppi screen with a bright backlight capable of 500 nits. It is powered by an Nvidia X1 quad-core processor with 3GB of RAM and a Maxwell desktop-class GPU.
Should I start taking bets on full OpenGL 4.X support?
I would sell my N9 at a huge loss in a heartbeat if I thought the PixelC would have full library support for the X1 from Nvidia. :crying:
So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.
I only just bought the Nexus 9 during HTC's most recent 40% of sale both because of the good price AND because I thought that there was no new tablets from Google this year.
If the Pixel C isn't called a Nexus, even though it runs Android, it probably means that it won't be running strictly AOSP. On the positive side, maybe this means it will have vendor-proprietary performance optimizations. On the negative side, it might not be as developer-friendly as a Nexus.
nVidia chipset? Yeah, good luck with those updates.
kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel
This is the first Google tablet that has caught my attention in quite some time. Although, I sort of wish it was going to be released with 4GB ram. Perhaps 3GB is enough though...
EDIT: Does Android Marshmallow have improved RAM management? I was just reading how you can now view how the RAM is being used app by app but wasn't sure if how the OS actually handles RAM management has changed any.
Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
Seriously though, what kind of productivity can we expect to do on an Android tablet?
The only thing I can think of is Microsoft's office apps.
From personal experience, a cheap intel powered chromebook is way batter for productivity than an Android tablet.
darkchazz said:
Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
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What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?
michaelearth said:
What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?
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I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.
best tablet for me for heaving gaming
Is this a joke? No stylus support, no mention of improved software interface for tablets. How is this different from a Samsung Tab S2 with a cheap 40 dollars Bluetooth keyboard?
True to that. I bought a Nexus 9 about half a year ago but sold it again 1 month ago. It can be razor fast however I feel the OS (kernel?) is badly optimised to properly support the powerful processor. The Nexus 9 felt laggy most of the time. At 1 point it bugged me so much I sold it off again. Felt like a beast in a cage
CheCorchete said:
So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.
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Google actually manufactures the Pixel line. They are typically made with stellar quality, design, and materials (and generally priced to match). Nexus devices are manufactured by other companies (LG, Asus, etc). They are made in partnership with Google and offer the clean Android experience. They're also typically very reasonably priced for the hardware offered (the N6 being the exception).
Here is the spec sheet for the Tegra X1 "Super Chip"
It is a 64-bit octa-core processor, according to Nvidia, with an Nvidia 256-core Maxwell GPU and full DX-12 and OpenGL 4.5 Support
darkchazz said:
I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.
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Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:
So all the kiddies in this thread led to me having no choice but to post, as I have been saying this for months over on G+. If you are having any "issues" with the Nexus 9, it is the way you are going about it, and not the tablet. As @NYCHitman1 can attest, the Nexus 9 is very battery efficient, and mine (at least) NEVER overheats, or even gets close to a point where i would consider it "hot". I get about a MONTH of standby time, and routinely see over 10 hours of screen on time when streaming media, and close to 6 hours of SOT when gaming. Never once has it heated up doing either. I love my Nexus 9, and the only way I would consider going with ANYTHING else, would be if Google decided to release another 10 inch Nexus (f the Pixel). I want the ability to let developers improve my device, I want the bigger screen size (after using the N9 for almost a year, I could never go back to a 7 inch screen like my Flo had), and I want to be able to rely on my tablet having battery left even if I don't charge it for a couple days. In my opinion, the Flounder is leaps and bounds an improvement over the 2013 Nexus 7, and I think Google hit a homerun with it. Just my lousy two cents. (Also, I just recently got 900+ hours of Up Time on my N9, with no lag issues, no freezing, and no dip in performance. The attached screenshot is with about 650 hours of Up Time, and it was still going like a champ)
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PivotMasterNM said:
kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel
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Personally, I will never buy another 10"+ Android tablet that doesn't have at least an option for a keyboard dock. Ever since my Asus T101, I absolutely must have a keyboard dock for any "large" Android tablet. I'm currently using an HP Slatebook 10 x2, which I LOVE. It's super fast, has a great keyboard dock and it just a great device (love the stereo front-facing speakers too!). ANd you can find the Slatebook for about $200 brand new (with keyboard dock).
The problem with this Google device is that they keyboard dock doesn't have a trackpad, any special function keys, a battery in the keyboard dock, etc - it's just missing way to much functionality that a tablet with a keyboard dock should have (the Slatebook x2 has all of this, plus a full sized USB port, full sized HDMI port, etc).
Even when I'm sitting in front of my PC at home, I still use my Slatebook x2 for everything! Android apps just allow you do things so much quicker than using a web browser - and the keyboard dock makes typing a breeze. Love having the extra battery in the keyboard dock as well....
I also have an Asus T100 (Windows 10 tablet/keyboard dock), but it's nowhere near as useful as my Slatebook x2 for day-to-day tasks. Even the T100 is only $200!
I would love a tablet with a REAL keyboard dock from Google, but this device just isn't it...
Just my two cents!
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Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:
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I have the 32gb white WiFi variant since release back in November. And before that, a Tegra 3 powered 2012 Nexus 7.
Performance of the Nexus 9 has been fine for me.
It can be amazingly fast at times, then there are some occasional stutters
But unless all I do is read books and documents on it, I could never get more than ~5 hour SoT.
The SoC gets quite hot, felt on the back near the camera, on a daily basis for me, especially when browsing the web.