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Reading Text on Super AMOLED

I remember a while back there was an article on Ars Technica (can't link yet, but google "ars Secrets of the Nexus One's screen" and you'll find it) about the Nexus One's AMOLED screen. They talked about how the AMOLED screen technology/layout resulted in text that wasn't as sharp as on the Motorola Droid. I'm curious if this is still a concern with Super AMOLED technology, as with the Epic 4G?
I'm looking to upgrade from my Palm Pre in the next few weeks (hoping the Epic 4G is out by then), but I'm hoping to do some background research before that. I use my phone quite a bit for web browsing now, and would probably increase that usage on a phone with a bigger screen and better browser. I'm also looking forward to being able to use Kindle's software for Android. Bottom line is that I know I'll be reading a LOT of text on my phone. Super AMOLED is supposed to be incredible for pictures and video, but if it's lackluster on text, it's not as useful to me.
If any of you have any thoughts or experiences regarding this issue (if it still is one on Super AMOLED), I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

Yes, it's still an issue.

SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!

violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653.
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If that's the reason that it comes out like that, will the text be fixed when Android Gingerbread comes out? I've heard that gingerbread changes the resolution, but I don't know if that's true.

EnderTheThird said:
I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..

I have a evo and do pretty much nothing but text reading (ebooks and the web). Text is very easy to read and I have not noticed any eye strain yet.
That sucks about super amoled not doing text well.
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gTen said:
Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
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I tried doing that at a Best Buy yesterday but someone had stolen their demo unit(s). Apparently it's one of the more ghetto Best Buys in Boston. Who knew. I'll be checking it out when I get back home for sure though.

Hmmmm.... I went to the AT&T store last week, to check out the captivate and I didn't notice any problem in reading the text personally. I haven't made the switch to a smartphone yet so maybe my eyes are too inexperienced to notice something like that, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my future Epic 4G

I have the captivate and yes, text on it is not as crisp as on the droid or droid x. But is it an issue, no. On really light colored backgrounds like white or light grey, if you look hard for it, you can see some fuzziness. But on colorful backgrounds you really cant see it. I can tell you, its a beautiful screen. Overall it looks better than the droid x, which has been described as dull or drab. The colors on the S-AMOLED really pop, and the fact that its an OLED means that black backgrounds are really true black (complete absence of light).
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.

derek4484 said:
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
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Why would you say the retena display is better?

gTen said:
Why would you say the retena display is better?
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The only way the retina display is better is if you're reading text from under 10" away from your face, but then again who the heck reads with a phone up in their face? I read alot of e-books and other sites and I can tell you reading a page from a normal distance there is little to no difference.
As far as video playback and pictures the Samsung blows the retina display out of the water and by leaps and bounds is the #1 screen in the phone market hands down.

i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.

systoxity said:
i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
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I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.

NeonMonster said:
I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
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Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.

Sebrina said:
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device.
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I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.

Sebrina said:
Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
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It is not possible to have permanent screen burn in..as for temporary one...even LCDs state not to keep the same image on for too long to avoid temp burn-ins...
As for updates...we are not sure how much of a bone Samsung will give, but at the moment, event the Sprint Moment has gotten a Foyo 2.2 by the community.

violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?

blakehess11 said:
I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?

kgold708 said:
Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
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Well that is for the regular AMOLED screen...the Super AMOLED screen would most likely be around like 260% for that..but you gotta realize that your screen will never be FULLY pure white like that...the next revision of Super AMOLED(for 2011 plans to go RGBW to fix that).
Either way you'd never have so much white on the screen for it to waist that much energy...
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
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It does not make it easy but not impossible...if they release a Galaxy S 2 in the future with Gingerbread or any other phone with it and don't do Gingerbread for Galaxy S..with some effort it would be possible to port it...

Return Questions regarding AMOLED vs SLCD

I'm on my second Nexus One which I've had for a long time. The headphone jack is screwy and isn't a solid connection so music stops frequently thinking the headphone jack was removed.
I called HTC and they will warranty replace it but I asked about AMOLED vs SLCD and she said that I would get back a LCD Nexus One.
I know some Roms and Bootloaders are funky with the new SLCD roms.
Has anyone recently gotten back a Nexus One through warranty exchange and gotten an AMOLED screen. I don't think I want a SLCD backlit phone. I love the deep dark blacks and bright vivid colors.
What should I do?

i recently got an exchange back... but it was an SLCD . i thought i wouldnt really like the SLCD. before i sent the phone in i tried to compare them .. the SLCD is much crisper. yea the colors are not as vibrant but it still looks great! also, idk if its just me or anything, but i feel like ive gotten better battery life out of it. i was very suprised. over all i like my phone AMOLED or not.

Yea they say SLCD is crisper but the AMOLED looks normal to me. Maybe a bit blurrier but I kinda like the "soft" touch it gives.
All the time I get compliments from Co-workers about how great the screen looks and how the colors pop. I like the colors pop. I also like how blacks are totally black. I like black themes to save battery on the AMOLED but I also like how only the colored parts are lit up. Looks really great especially in the dark when I play online and stuff before I go to bed.
I hate the jack to be flaky but I don't want to stare at a washed out screen ALL the time.
Do you regret not having AMOLED anymore? Do the colors still pop?

search for side by side comparison on youtube. i think it was desire amoled vs slcd....maybe nexus
amoled looked better in that vid due to true black colors which slcd does not have

I know I've looked at a ton of youtube videos and read a ton of threads talking about one or the other. I know the differences on paper but to what extent? The AMOLED screen was one of the major reasons I chose the Nexus One and now getting it replaced under warranty they're swapping to SLCD.
I also read somewhere that they can't swap out different parts like that and if you bought a device with an AMOLED screen then they should swap you out with an AMOLED screen.
Are the SLCD's a lot less vibrant or is it hardly noticeable? What about bleed through around the edges? I seen and heard the Desires have lots of issues with bleed through on their SLCD.

I just went through the whole swap process and I got two different amoled nexii. Still have never seen an slcd nexus.

hmmm. That would be awesome. You'd think that HTC would have back stock of the Amoled for the warranty repairs.
I just can't see them giving you a different screen then the one you purchased when it is under warranty.
On a side note I was playing with my SquareUp credit card reader last night and it seems to be working fine now after a few resets. So maybe it was a fluke but it still has me worried.

Meh, I bought my Nexus one as SLCD and honestly, the only thing I don't like about that screen is the blacks which are more blueish...it's especially ugly in dark environments, but for the rest, the screen is very good and I like how the colors are (I HATE fake colors like the ones displayed on glossy laptop/computer screens which is why I still have my good old Samsung matte screen )
As for the recovery, flash amon_RA 1.9 and you're good to go... the recovery works great and there are no issues whatsoever with the ROMs (unless the ones I tried already had updated support for the new hboot and so on)
Good luck
PS: Samsung are still jerks for saying that they don't have AMOLEDs to sell anymore >_>

Yea I use amon_RA 1.9 and know of its support for LCD. I'm currently liking the latest CM 6.1 RC1 a lot too, which I know had support for the updated HBOOT.
I haven't had a problem with my audio jack until I got my SquareUp reader in the mail. My first Nexus had a bad Audio jack problem where it always thought it was in headphone mode. So I am leery of my second one going bad. After a reset, last night and all today, the reader is acting as it should. So maybe I am safe.
I use my screen more then my headphone jack. And I think that unless the jack causes the phone to be unusable like my first Nexus, I'll deal with it vs sending it off for warranty exchange... that or simply have mine fixed and go without for a week or so.

Is Samsung the only AMOLED manufacturers? Where did Nokia get the AMOLED screens for their new phones?

Just got a swap handset. How does one text to see if its amoled or slcd?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUF4dLVdFKc
Left = AMOLED
Right = SLCD

gravufo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUF4dLVdFKc
Left = AMOLED
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Thank you gravufo for taking the time to post a video that makes it crystal clear

player911 said:
I'm on my second Nexus One which I've had for a long time. The headphone jack is screwy and isn't a solid connection so music stops frequently thinking the headphone jack was removed.
I called HTC and they will warranty replace it but I asked about AMOLED vs SLCD and she said that I would get back a LCD Nexus One.
I know some Roms and Bootloaders are funky with the new SLCD roms.
Has anyone recently gotten back a Nexus One through warranty exchange and gotten an AMOLED screen. I don't think I want a SLCD backlit phone. I love the deep dark blacks and bright vivid colors.
What should I do?
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In response to the headphone jack, are you sure your using the right connector when plugging headphones in? I had a issue a while back concerning the same thing as far as music stopping and skipping on its own and such. I read up and found out that its due to the connector on the headphones. I attached a pic of what im talking about. The standard headphones that come with the phone have a triple banded connector where alot of aftermarket headphones come with a double banded connector. The double banded connector was the problem. Once i stopped using the double banded connector all headphone jack related problems stopped. Hopefully this helps.
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Yea I think that is definitely the problem with the headset port. I found some jacks work while others give fits and I suspected that to be the reason. My grief was when I received my SquareUp credit card reader that was finicky to the touch. The reader uses a 3 prong jack pictured above so I was confused.
Fortunately a reset of the phone alleviated the problem.
I still would like to see some really good screens of "before and after" with the Amoled vs SLCD. I think it is really a crap shoot personal because it really comes to personal choice. Some people prefer the crisp text of the SLCD while others prefer the Deep blacks and pop colors.
To the video above, I've seen that and it shows how the backlight plays havoc on the blacks. I would like to see some screenshots or videos comparing common parts of the OS with the phones in a dark environment. Perhaps some solid black images looking for backlight leaks. I know the desire was riddled with 2 in the top right corners that looked nasty in darkened environments.

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Yea I think that is definitely the problem with the headset port. I found some jacks work while others give fits and I suspected that to be the reason. My grief was when I received my SquareUp credit card reader that was finicky to the touch. The reader uses a 3 prong jack pictured above so I was confused.
Fortunately a reset of the phone alleviated the problem.
I still would like to see some really good screens of "before and after" with the Amoled vs SLCD. I think it is really a crap shoot personal because it really comes to personal choice. Some people prefer the crisp text of the SLCD while others prefer the Deep blacks and pop colors.
To the video above, I've seen that and it shows how the backlight plays havoc on the blacks. I would like to see some screenshots or videos comparing common parts of the OS with the phones in a dark environment. Perhaps some solid black images looking for backlight leaks. I know the desire was riddled with 2 in the top right corners that looked nasty in darkened environments.
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I'd definitely do it but I only have an SLCD version
To be honest though I don't think you would notice a lot of difference as to everyday normal use unless you're always in dark environments with dark screens on the Nexus...
It is also known that AMOLED isn't the best type of screen to watch in direct sunlight (that's one of the reason SAMOLED was created), the SLCD version does perform a bit better on that part.
Can't help more than that though ^^
Hopefully, someone here has two Nexus, one of each type ^^

How can I tell which screen my óhönduglega has?
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So I just had my nexus screen replaced because of a crack then bleedout. I noticed on my new screen, there are no longer those crisscrossing grid lines on the screen that came with the original. I dont think that I have an SLCD screen because when I boot my phone up in a dark room, the black background doesnt light up or have a blue tint like in the youtube comparison video. Anyone know why?

I got an SLCD swap version today and I am going to try both out battery wise before sending the AMOLED version back.
Dunno if it's because of the SLCD using more power than AMOLED? but the tempurature got up to 98.7* Fahrenheit while using the Google Navigation + Music while in the car. The old AMOLED version never got above 95* F.
I don't want my batteries overheating so I'll have to keep track of this. If it continues to overheat I'll make sure to get an AMOLED swap sent to me instead.

Just a note, according to the ClockwordMod Twitter account, new version 2.5.1.1 should support the SLCD N1 now. If any of you would like to test it, you can use ROM Manager to do so.

About our displays.

Im pretty annoyed of all the people nit-picking about our displays, and how its grainy, etc. (The whole pen-tile thing). I was searching up on it and it is actually an advantage! it gives us better battery life, images are sharper than normal, and are brighter than normal while not using more battery, so you dont have to dim it to save battery (which i hated with normal displays).
anyone who is going to complain about it read this.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/2...x2-and-its-qhd-display-pentile-at-its-finest/

Why does this display looks so grainy.Does anyone know?
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asesino said:
Why does this display looks so grainy.Does anyone know?
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lol
10 char.

who has been complaining?? My display looks bad ass!!!

I have no display complaints either, only the auto brightness, can't ever make it's mind up.

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I have no display complaints either, only the auto brightness, can't ever make it's mind up.
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haha i know right! that has nothing to do with the display though, that is the accelerometer. and i love the display on this thing, i can actually see it in the daylight!! that has been a HUGE issue for me with HTC phones (almost every phone i have owned has been HTC). i can see it perfect walking down the street with the sun bright as sh!t. also the views on it, i can see everything still good when tilting the phone.

OP you haven't owned an iphone4 or SGS have you? Our display may be good for battery life but viewing angles, color reproduction and quality is garbage.
Not to mention the horrible gradients.
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I have owned the Captivate, Inspire, and Atrix. I passed my Captivate on to the wife, and now when I pick it up, I think the display looks horrible, and think the Atrix is crisper, and brighter than the others.

The captivate had a much better display in my opinion.
I love my atrix though and the display is not "garbage" either.
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The widgets looks so small on the Atrix qHD 960x540 screen.
Is there a way or app to switch the display to 800x480??
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Did you even read the article you posted?
You get a higher resolution and better battery life and better whites, compared to LCD displays, at the cost of blurrier text, grainier images, and poor yellow and green reproduction.
And it may give better battery life compared to normal LCDs that don't use pentile since it has fewer sub-pixels to drive, but it doesn't give the same battery savings that are possible from OLED displays as those completely shut off any black pixels for both battery saving and for true blacks. OLEDs also have better whites compared to LCDs due to the nature of the technology.

Question: do our displays use less power to display white or black?

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Question: do our displays use less power to display white or black?
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Yes on white, since only 1 sub-pixel needs to be used vs 3, and no on black.

Dude, whites on amoled are blue. It is true that amoled is not lit up when displaying blacks. However, it is the only advantage. In my experience every other color, especially whites can drain the hell out of amoleds. Oh and amoleds are prone to a permanent burn in.
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Atrix display is boss

Why such a debate? A screen is a screen, it shows images, and does what its gotta do.
If you don't like it, then you shouldn't have brought it in the first place.

tehrules said:
Why such a debate? A screen is a screen, it shows images, and does what its gotta do.
If you don't like it, then you shouldn't have brought it in the first place.
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Because TFT screens are as "pretty" as Amoleds, but they don't kill the battery like Amoleds either...

edgeicator said:
Did you even read the article you posted?
You get a higher resolution and better battery life and better whites, compared to LCD displays, at the cost of blurrier text, grainier images, and poor yellow and green reproduction.
And it may give better battery life compared to normal LCDs that don't use pentile since it has fewer sub-pixels to drive, but it doesn't give the same battery savings that are possible from OLED displays as those completely shut off any black pixels for both battery saving and for true blacks. OLEDs also have better whites compared to LCDs due to the nature of the technology.
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I don't even need to read the article to know how these screens act. From my personal experience, TFT screens give waaay better battery life than Amoled or even SLCD.
I've owned 4 different TFT phones. 2 Amoleds, 2 Super Amoleds, and 1 SLCD.
Take a non-TFT phone on a dominant white background website like Engaget for a while, and see how fast it drains on white backgrounds. Even with Google, I had to switch up to something as simple as Blackle instead.
No double Amoleds screens are "Eye-Candy", but they are like Gremlins where you have to keep them away from the light.
TFTs may look plainer and grainy, but you don't have change your browsing habits because of them either to save battery...

stratax said:
Im pretty annoyed of all the people nit-picking about our displays, and how its grainy, etc. (The whole pen-tile thing). I was searching up on it and it is actually an advantage! it gives us better battery life, images are sharper than normal, and are brighter than normal while not using more battery, so you dont have to dim it to save battery (which i hated with normal displays).
anyone who is going to complain about it read this.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/2...x2-and-its-qhd-display-pentile-at-its-finest/
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I would not call it nit-picking, people are stating facts ... In your link above you have decided to take the article as a positive article, but some of the people would take it as a negative because they can resolve the pixels (good vision maybe) and can not put up with any artifacts or imperfections ...
My story is that i bought the atrix at its full price but i could not put up with the screen (everything else was ok like battery, gps ... another annoyance was the inability to type in macedonian language ... and yes i've checked the market for keyboards and stuff, no video calls because of the unknown status with gingerbread) so i have decided to replace it with Inspire which had better screen (at least to me) but terrible gps, battery life and the same problem with languages ... At the end i've purchased iPhone 4 and all of the features that i wanted to have are available ...
My criteria:
1. Good screen (accurate) /i do not care how many cores the phone has, if the screen is not good then the phone is not good too/
2. Language (keyboard) / Video call (phone to PC with skype or google talk)
This is how i see the things ... Different people have different priorities when they want to purchase phones, electronics ...
When so many people say that the atrix screen is grainy ... probably it is ... some can put up with it, some can not ...
Another high level article describing the positives and negatives of a PenTile screen from an expert in that area:
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
Take care

stratax said:
Im pretty annoyed of all the people nit-picking about our displays, and how its grainy, etc. (The whole pen-tile thing). I was searching up on it and it is actually an advantage! it gives us better battery life, images are sharper than normal, and are brighter than normal while not using more battery, so you dont have to dim it to save battery (which i hated with normal displays).
anyone who is going to complain about it read this.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/05/2...x2-and-its-qhd-display-pentile-at-its-finest/
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Nexus 4 screen color vs Galaxy Nexus blacks

Recently I'm about to face an opportunity to get a nexus 4. But seriously i find galaxy nexus blacks outstanding. Can someone help me out with this?
Also Read that nexus 4 are coming up with similar IPhone 5 glue issue when phone gets warm?
Post in guys!
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Nexus 4 is ips and displays some gorgeous blacks! Realistic color as well. Solid performance and great contrast. Best Ips I've ever used. (iPhone 5 is arguably better)
You do see some idiots complaining about back light bleed (full brightness dark room) which is a limitation of the technology. Some are better than others. Mine has one little bit of bleed at the top. That's what auto brightness is for....
Galaxy Nexus doesn't produce black but instead turns off the pixel thus making it pitch black. Which is cool, but it's like comparing apples and oranges. Besides that colors are over saturated (people love this for some reason) and there is burn in and ghosting.
Regards, someone who is tired of this debate.
Edit: just note, you're buying an IPS panel, know this before you buy it. If you want AMOLED buy Samsung.
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Probably this will be my first ips experience my friend. And what about the overheating issue? I read across the forum and there was a thread of yellow tint due to some glue phenomena.
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also amoled screen suffer from black ink blots...

No the blacks are not as black as the Galaxy Nexus and it will take some getting used to but most likely, however, that is the absolute only thing you will miss and it's well worth the tradeoff!
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Coming from a GS3 to the N4, I love the N4 screen more. I never realized how over saturated the GS3 screen was until I had my N4 next to it. The N4 has a gorgeous screen, and like others have said, the colors are "natural" and more "true to life". :highfive:

Haven't noticed yellow tint.
This phone does run warm. But what phone doesn't? It's more of an enthusiasts phone than a consumer phone. So it's going to want some love and maintenance to run perfectly...
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My phone also ran pretty warm on stock but after using Franco's r14 kernel it's been cool as a cucumber. Plus he did a few tweaks to the color which makes the whites look whiter and less yellow or blue tint if you have any
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tatltael said:
I've loved amoled displays ever since I got my galaxy s and I've been using only amoled since then (galaxy s, s2, gnex), so I was apprehensive about whether I'd like the nexus 4 screen or not.
But after just a day of use, I can safely say I'll probably stick to LCD from now on. I never imagined I'd like the screen this much. Its one of the best things about the phone.
The whites are beautiful, the blacks are very good for an LCD and look just as black as my gnex when seen in daylight/well lit environments. In dark situations the blacks aren't as good but it doesn't matter because the display still looks gorgeous. And BTW I had trinity kernel as well. Trust me, no calibration could ever get the gnex to have whites this gorgeous.
I never had an issue with pentile before but once you use a non pentile display like this, the difference is very apparent. Its so much sharper and crisper from any distance.
And the colors just look nicer as well. Looking at my dads gnex screen after this actually makes me wonder how I ever liked colors that way.
Another reason the nexus 4 screen looks so beautiful is because gradients are actually smooth. After years of looking at amoled gradients, this is a huge and welcome change.
And its great having the screen so much closer to the surface of the glass.
The only downside to the nexus 4 screen are the viewing angles. Definitely not as nice as the gnex. I can't lie down and look at my screen diagonally anymore :/ The one x doesn't have this issue so I guess its LGs fault and not an LCD related problem.
All in all, you won't regret it. No matter how much you've loved amoled. You'll finally understand what all the hype around LCDs is about. And they were right.
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...again >_>
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When i put my Gnex next to my N4 the blacks on the N4 look more like dark gray... But im cool with it, ill take ips over pentile no question!
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elliot.newnham said:
Nexus 4 is ips and displays some gorgeous blacks! Realistic color as well. Solid performance and great contrast. Best Ips I've ever used. (iPhone 5 is arguably better)
You do see some idiots complaining about back light bleed (full brightness dark room) which is a limitation of the technology. Some are better than others. Mine has one little bit of bleed at the top. That's what auto brightness is for....
Galaxy Nexus doesn't produce black but instead turns off the pixel thus making it pitch black. Which is cool, but it's like comparing apples and oranges. Besides that colors are over saturated (people love this for some reason) and there is burn in and ghosting.
Regards, someone who is tired of this debate.
Edit: just note, you're buying an IPS panel, know this before you buy it. If you want AMOLED buy Samsung.
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My Galaxy s2 never burned in, and never ghosted. Colors looked wonderful...except for white XD
Colors POP against a black area. Nexus Revamped Live wallpaper, with a solid black back ground? Beautiful

Please use the search, there has been an endless discussion about IPS LCD vs AMOLED. Get the display that you like.

Nexus 4 display sucks, I would rated it from last to first, Nexus 4 <--S3 <-- iPhone 5 <-- One X.
The nexus 4 is my first phone with many screen issue and I used to have s2,s3, iphone 4, and htc one x without any issue
except the amoled black spot on black screen you can't see unless it really dark. Better then yellow spot on a white screen.
Problem with the nexus is the gamma issue causing color to be a bit wash out, I know it's a software issue, but it's still a Nexus 4 issue.
Next, the yellow screen tint and yellow spot. I know only some have it, My personal nexus 4 have a nice white screen, but a ugly yellow spot.
My family also have two nexus 4, one have a uneven yellow tint on 2/3 of screen, the other one have an even yellowish tint, not as bad as the other one.
The nexus screen quality is not good at all, you can see vertical lines effect on light color, I compare it to a ipad 3 I have and the ipad 3 is smooth with the same picture.
The viewing angle are not as good as the other phone I mention.
The last problem with the nexus 4 screen is the flickering, It happen to 2 of the 3 nexus we have so far.
First time I ever seen a screen flicker is on a nexus 4. It flicker one time really bad, you can see all sort of line color going vertical on the screen. Shutting the phone off and back on still does the same thing, I had to leave it like that for a minute or so and it start to slowing stop. I like the phone overall, but not the Lcd.

What sort of flickering?
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since the galaxy doesn't require a backlight the colours are vibrant, the display on the lg is good but the black is not black due to the backlight so its a bright black not just powered off black.the ink blotches were odd but not a issue with display. a higher dpi ans resolution and I would choose amoled/+

Some picture comparing the nexus to the ipad (supposedly ~100 NTSC ColorGamut)
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I concur to what has been said by most. The screen is one of the most beautiful screen on a phone. The GNex/pentile display is too bluish and I could not stand it. The S3 however, is looking pretty good, but doesn't hold water in my opinion. It is also comparable to the iPhone retina, but 4.7" > 4" any day.
Food for thought, you are less likely to carry several phones and compare screens in great detail every day. Get one with the display you like and stick with it. I had GNex for a year and every bloody day I'm thinking of getting a One X, One S or Lumia 920, that is until N4
All in all, it bogs down to your preferences. I for one doesn't mind a faux black on a phone, try using it for a few days and you won't really care. On the other hand, I expect a true black on my HDTV since that's where I consume HD content..

How is THAT screen?

I created this thread specifically for all the members to talk about the new 2k screen of the LG G3. The screen is the most important feature of the LG G3 and it is what LG brags about the most. For many of us including me, the screen will be the deciding factor of whether we buy the phone or not.How does the new 2k display panel perform in real life situations compared to other high end phone display panels like the Galaxy S5 or HTC One M8? Let's have a nice dedicated thread to the most important feature on this phone.
Ideas to talk about:
•Contrast levels
•How your content looks on it
•Your thoughts of it compared to the previous display you had.
•Any weird issues? (Screen interlacing, ghost issues)
•Color production
•Do you find it nice and worthwhile?
•How are those BLACK LEVELS (Important!)
•Any heat issues with the screen?
•Good high and low brightness levels?

All of the above... Thinking of upgrading from a nexus 5...
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I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!

Spewy1 said:
I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!
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Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)

And ffs please, reviewers, don't simply declare that you can't distinguish individual pixels on 1080p as well as 2k and then conclude from that that the extra resolution doesn't make a difference. The question is: how do you subjectively experience visual items in 2k vs. 1080p--images, text, UI items, etc.. Past 325 dpi, a pixel is not an item, so it's irrelevant that you can't see one. Tons of those online reviews provide what the reviewer thinks their impression of the screen must be instead of the reviewer providing their true impression.

Canard caché said:
Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)
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I don't like the s5. Various reasons but mainly the cover over the charging port and overall design.
I love my g2 but need more memory (64gb minimum). I am worried about the screen on the g3 but the reviewers all focus on the resolution but I want to hear from real users about the real world experience of the screen.
Many thanks in advance for any input from owners of the phone.

Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/

That cover on the S5 (my wife has one), is for water proofing and easily ripped off.
Personally, I could use a screen with less pixels and longer screen-on time. I consider the screen resolution to be a minus. My preference is less pixels and make it a 6", like the HTC One Max I just returned after a week.

liqn7 said:
Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/
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Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
Even at point-blank range, it's hard to resolve a single pixel. 1080p screens are also beautiful, though, and when looking at the two, side-by-side, we aren't convinced the jump to 1440p is necessary. More pixels only matter if you can see them, and on a ~5-inch device, it's almost impossible to tell the difference between a 1080p screen and the 1440p screen of the G3.
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That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.

Jimmy34742 said:
Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.
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I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?

Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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How can you?

theraker007 said:
I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?
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That's logical. But so is the idea that the human eye can't distinguish pixels at a density greater than 326dpi. So, yeah, it comes down to subjective judgment calls. In that case, I'm interested in the subjective point of view of people who actually have one of these devices and their actual experience. We already know how do deduce logically what everyone's experience must be, and all the reviews I've read only do that. Images and text may appear sharper at a given distance from the eye in a way unrelated to whether or not you can distinguish an individual pixel.

The LG G3 has the best smartphone display I've seen: It's sharp, but it's also bright and has great color. The colors don't pop quite as much as on some of the better SuperAMOLED screens I've seen (such as on the just-announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S), but the sharpness is off the charts.
Comparing the G3's display to the one on the HTC One M8 (my current favorite Android phone), I felt the LG's was just as sharp, and a few details — such as drop shadows in Evernote — stood out slightly more. And even though colors weren't as vivid as on the HTC, the G3 had more natural skin tones
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From Mashable's review. Everyone's eyes are different I guess.
Contrast was superb. Black text on white background — one of the most essential things a smartphone, or any display, needs to get right — really stood out. The ultra-sharp characters nearly jumped off the screen, and I couldn't discern individual pixels, no matter how close I put my eye to the screen.
So the LG G3's Quad HD display is more than just hype. But only a bit. There's nothing wrong with the HTC One M8's screen — or the Samsung Galaxy S5's or the iPhone 5S's for that matter. They're still mighty sharp, and can display great images, just not quite as sharply or as impressively as the LG G3.
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hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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I truly hope that the screen is great on this phone but I can't wait any longer and have just ordered an S5. I have waited for all the flagships to come out this year and was truly hoping that the G3 would be the one. Two of the most important things to me are brightness and battery life and I'm worried that with the G3 I would end up having the brightness cranked all the time and would have poor battery life as a result. Really wanted to try LG this time but lost my nerve
Tapped it!

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.

helikido said:
Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.
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yes but not for marketing.

I'm most concerned with the viewing angles, black levels, contrast, and color accuracy. I'm definitely getting the G3 but I really don't want to have to play the panel lottery. I'd prefer a warmer display over a cooler display - as long as it's not noticeably pink/green/blue, I'm fine. A slight yellow/orange tint is okay, but obviously a calibrated display would be the best. My black Nexus 5's viewing angles aren't great, with the screen washing out at 30+ degree angle. My buddy's white Nexus 5 seems to have better viewing angles, so I'm not sure what the deal is. I'm pretty confident in LG's ability to produce good displays -- they pretty much made this phone just to show off their new display.

Actually, I'm now concerned about the narrowness of the bezel. Yes, it's a cool feature, and everyone dreams of a bezel-less phone, but I already have problems due to the narrowness of my S4's bezel. When I'm holding my phone for an extended time, referring to notes while speaking to people, my grip often gets interpreted by the system as a touch and hold. That pops up a dialog that I have to dismiss, and it's really obtrusive in real time situations. Sure, I could be more careful, but it's just too easy to make that problem happen during normal usage. It's not like I have big fat hands or a weird grip or anything. I've already been thinking that when we finally get bezel-free phones, there will have to be utilities to create a non-reactive border of pixels in a user-specified width, or else the user will accidentally be popping things up all over the place. At present, though, I think the G3's large size and tiny bezel are actually going to make it difficult to use the way I want to use it even though it's hardly bigger than my S4. You never know until you actually use it for a few days and try to adapt, but there's no way to do that without buying it, which I'm now hesitant to do.

You're holding it wrong ☺
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