I got my S4 today, rushed home to open the package really excited to come straight onto xda and root it, as I need to run arliberator app in my car and also titanium backup to get all my data over from my old galaxy.
Now I see that i cannot root it because of Knox and that even though it is unlocked after kkitkat I wont be able to use my foreign sims when i am abroad which i always do as roaming costs are extortionate!
well my S4 has sat here all day switched off and I don't even want to switch it on, its a useless brick as far as i'm concerned i am hugely disapointed and really wish I had bought the Z1 or even the old xperia z instead of this SamDung
maybe you are one of the lucky ones with an old boot loader .if your firmware is older than mgg like ending with mga you can root without voiding your warranty .
iamflamez said:
I got my S4 today, rushed home to open the package really excited to come straight onto xda and root it, as I need to run arliberator app in my car and also titanium backup to get all my data over from my old galaxy.
Now I see that i cannot root it because of Knox and that even though it is unlocked after kkitkat I wont be able to use my foreign sims when i am abroad which i always do as roaming costs are extortionate!
well my S4 has sat here all day switched off and I don't even want to switch it on, its a useless brick as far as i'm concerned i am hugely disapointed and really wish I had bought the Z1 or even the old xperia z instead of this SamDung
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Are you not still within a cooling off period if youre not happy and want to return it for a refund?
I wouldn't rush out to get the Z1 either as there appear to be issues unlocking the boot loader as in the below link. Ive also had HTC devices were it was nearly impossible to gain s-off (having to perform a wire trick to apply an engineering hboot). If you check the HTC One forums there are people on a recent hboot who are unable to s-off as its been locked down by HTC, which can cause headaches when trying to flash certain ROMs.
The reality is Samsung just isn't making devices specifically catering for people who like to modify/flash custom stuff. If you want full control of your device with an easily unlockable boot loader, then get a Nexus.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/unlocking-sony-xperia-z1-bootloader-breaks-camera/
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2 questions:
1) What is your firmware? Old firmwares can be rooted fine
2) Even if you have knox, you can still root. You just lose your warranty. Are you ok with that?
nwsk said:
2 questions:
1) What is your firmware? Old firmwares can be rooted fine
2) Even if you have knox, you can still root. You just lose your warranty. Are you ok with that?
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I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?
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I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?
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How much $$$
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iamflamez said:
I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?
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You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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warranty is a fiction it dont protect against software bug bricks as there is no chance that you permanently brick your phome that way. it also dont protect for physical damages and water effects. if something is wrong service tell that is your fault anyway. so dont bother about warranty and root it
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You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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Umm rooting does not void your warranty. At least not here in Finland. The company is responsible for proving that the cause for say a hardware defect was indeed caused by the software and not an error on their part if the phone for some reason breaks down. They usually don't bother and just repair it under warranty.
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You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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Well FYI I've had to take a phone in to samsung for warranty before and it was really easy to flash back to stock and then take in in under warranty, this is now not possible so I hope nothing goes wrong with your phone otherwise you'll be the one whining
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warranty is a fiction it dont protect against software bug bricks as there is no chance that you permanently brick your phome that way. it also dont protect for physical damages and water effects. if something is wrong service tell that is your fault anyway. so dont bother about warranty and root it
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there has been issues before on previous samsungs with usb connectors stopping charging, phone randomly switching off etc and who knows what might wear out on the S4 as its still pretty new, I'd rather not take the risk, also if you come to sell your phone and the buyer sees your warranty is void it will make your phone harder to re sell on
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Well FYI I've had to take a phone in to samsung for warranty before and it was really easy to flash back to stock and then take in in under warranty, this is now not possible so I hope nothing goes wrong with your phone otherwise you'll be the one whining
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I've already accepted the risk. If something happens, it'd be very hypocritical of me to whine about something I knew could and did happen.
I know how easy it is to flash back to stock and hide evidence of it being rooted and customised. I've been doing this since the G1.
You won't find me opening a thread when I don't like something. Especially when it could have been prevented by doing a little research before buying the phone.
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Toss3 said:
Umm rooting does not void your warranty. At least not here in Finland. The company is responsible for proving that the cause for say a hardware defect was indeed caused by the software and not an error on their part if the phone for some reason breaks down. They usually don't bother and just repair it under warranty.
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Here in the UK, it's kind of the same. Yet companies here will still try and point the finger of blame at custom software when it's clearly a hardware fault.
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JonesWTF said:
I've already accepted the risk. If something happens, it'd be very hypocritical of me to whine about something I knew could and did happen.
I know how easy it is to flash back to stock and hide evidence of it being rooted and customised. I've been doing this since the G1.
You won't find me opening a thread when I don't like something. Especially when it could have been prevented by doing a little research before buying the phone.
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Here in the UK, it's kind of the same. Yet companies here will still try and point the finger of blame at custom software when it's clearly a hardware fault.
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well hopefully my whining will help someone doing a little research to notice the issue then, you're now whining about me whining so lets leave it here lol
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well hopefully my whining will help someone doing a little research to notice the issue then, you're now whining about me whining so lets leave it here lol
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Hahaha! I realised that when I hit the post button. Sorry, bro.
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JonesWTF said:
Hahaha! I realised that when I hit the post button. Sorry, bro.
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haha! no problem bro, :good:
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Hi guys
I'm waiting for my N7 to arrive in store for collection, and wondering what the reasons are for rooting the device?
I assume to run different kernels, but what other advantages are there?
Also, how does rooting this affect warranties?
Thanks
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I did it so that I'm able to use sixaxis controller.
I find the stock ROM to be awesome...
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Imagine you're tablet as a car. It has 6 gears but you can only use 5. Rooting gives you that 6th gear.
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To be honest, there is no vital reason to root. Now, I myself am rooted. But unless you "need" external storage(flash drives etc) then you will not notice much difference in the device. However it will be better on battery life and performance. And have a few minor bells and whistles that otherwise it would not. That's about it really. It DOES void your warranty, 100%. However, it's easily reversible so in theory no one would ever know that you did it.
Is it possible to root the device but leave the stock rom in place?
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hysteresis said:
Is it possible to root the device but leave the stock rom in place?
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Yes, you can. I do it to freeze apps.
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the only reason to root is to have total, complete control over your device. you're the boss, you do what you want want it.
simms22 said:
the only reason to root is to have total, complete control over your device. you're the boss, you do what you want want it.
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That is a ridiculous statement. Void your warranty solely to *be the boss*? Why not shove your kitten into the microwave just because "You are the boss" as well. It doesn't matter if you are the *boss* of your electronic devices. Don't be a dumbass lol. Root only if you need features that you can't otherwise get, or leave your warranty in tact!!!
pornhub.com nough said
Landara said:
That is a ridiculous statement. Void your warranty solely to *be the boss*? Why not shove your kitten into the microwave just because "You are the boss" as well. It doesn't matter if you are the *boss* of your electronic devices. Don't be a dumbass lol. Root only if you need features that you can't otherwise get, or leave your warranty in tact!!!
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Can't you always unroot?
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Landara said:
That is a ridiculous statement. Void your warranty solely to *be the boss*? Why not shove your kitten into the microwave just because "You are the boss" as well. It doesnt matter if you are the *boss* of your electronic devices. Don't be a dumbass lol. Root only if you need features that you can't otherwise get, or leave your warranty in tact!!!
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first off, do you realize that you can relock your bootloader with "fastboot oem lock" on any nexus device? warranty replacements arent an issue for a nexus. secondly, do you realize that "root only if you need features that you cant otherwise get" fits into the category of being the boss of your device? do you know what root is? root, by definition, IS being the boss of your device, having total control. now whos the dumbass, dumbass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooting_(Android_OS)
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parmend said:
Can't you always unroot?
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yes, you can flash the stock img and relock your bootloader. the beauty of owning a nexus.
simms22 said:
first off, do you realize that you can relock your bootloader with "fastboot oem lock" on any nexus device? warranty replacements arent an issue for a nexus. secondly, do you realize that "root only if you need features that you cant otherwise get" fits into the category of being the boss of your device? do you know what root is? root, by definition, IS being the boss of your device, having total control. now whos the dumbass, dumbass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooting_(Android_OS)
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yes, you can flash the stock img and relock your bootloader. the beauty of owning a nexus.
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not everyone know linux lol
G1_enthusiast said:
not everyone know linux lol
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What's Linux got to do with that?
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I know that you can unroot, but if you damage your phone in such a way that it couldn't have been caused without root access(such as fry something via messing with voltages, overclocking, etc) google will not replace it. They inspect every device RMAd to them. Hell for all we know they will begin looking at Google Play Store app purchases tomorrow to determine rooters. "Oh you bought Titanium Backup? Your warranty is void!". There is simply no way to be certain your will be covered when you need to be unless you don't root. Now as I said, I am rooted. But that's because I need to be. But i fully understand there is a chance, however small, that I will premanently lose my device and never get it back because of it. It is still a bit of a risk, and not worth it unless there is a feature you need that requires root.
Your statement above was, and I quote:
the only reason to root is to have total, complete control over your device. you're the boss, you do what you want want it.
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...and I stand by my statement that your statement is pretty retarded. This is my opinion of your statement, which I am entitled too, and which you cannot disprove as it is an opinion therefore further discussion in this thread on this subject is pointless.
Landara said:
...and I stand by my statement that your statement is pretty retarded. This is my opinion of your statement, which I am entitled too, and which you cannot disprove as it is an opinion therefore further discussion in this thread on this subject is pointless.
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lol, ok, your statement says it all. i refuse to argue with a child.
G1_enthusiast said:
pornhub.com nough said
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i didnt mean to thank your post. but what does porn have to do with root?
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I know that you can unroot, but if you damage your phone in such a way that it couldn't have been caused without root access(such as fry something via messing with voltages, overclocking, etc) google will not replace it. They inspect every device RMAd to them. Hell for all we know they will begin looking at Google Play Store app purchases tomorrow to determine rooters. "Oh you bought Titanium Backup? Your warranty is void!". There is simply no way to be certain your will be covered when you need to be unless you don't root. Now as I said, I am rooted. But that's because I need to be. But i fully understand there is a chance, however small, that I will premanently lose my device and never get it back because of it. It is still a bit of a risk, and not worth it unless there is a feature you need that requires root.
Your statement above was, and I quote:
...and I stand by my statement that your statement is pretty retarded. This is my opinion of your statement, which I am entitled too, and which you cannot disprove as it is an opinion therefore further discussion in this thread on this subject is pointless.
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You quote him saying to root is to have control, and say that it's retarded, then you go on to say you are rooted, that you need to be.
What exactly does that make you, by your own definition?
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Hell for all we know they will begin looking at Google Play Store app purchases tomorrow to determine rooters. "Oh you bought Titanium Backup? Your warranty is void!"
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probably the second most stupid post i've seen on XDA in my time being here.
Anyways root does not = overclocking. Besides the fact that the device has a handy feature which throttles the CPU if it gets too hot, most likely your warranty will be void due to expiration before it will be damaged by any overclocking.
Google or asus would not include the fastboot command "fastboot oem-unlock" if it would void anyones warranty for doing so. If i had the screen lift issue many have had, that is a manufacturer defect, and rooting or unlocking my device i own did not cause it. If I RMA'd it with an unlocked bootloader, google or asus would not say "oh sorry about the screen lift, but your bootloader is unlocked so we cant help you"
"To root or not to root?". That is the question. Hey whether Joe thinks rooting is stupid or Schmoe thinks everyone should.....who gives a ****! That's enough already with the kiddish bickering. Me personally, I haven't rooted yet but gave it long thought and I will for one main reason. So I can back everything up. I ran unrooted and locked for a month, filled my tablet up till there was only 500meg left and it began to run slow, soft reboot, and corrupt a couple games. I was pissed because I was almost finished with the dark knight rises and it totally crapped on me so I had to do a factory reset. This is my opinion only so stay unrooted or rooted and iwont argue with you in anyway
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That is a ridiculous statement. Void your warranty solely to *be the boss*? Why not shove your kitten into the microwave just because "You are the boss" as well. It doesn't matter if you are the *boss* of your electronic devices. Don't be a dumbass lol. Root only if you need features that you can't otherwise get, or leave your warranty in tact!!!
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LoL! We have four cats (so technically three spares) and a microwave.
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What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you dont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?
ValenteL said:
What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you d'ont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?
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Probably the main reason behind not to decide yet to buy it. For me is a BIG ISSUE. I have always rooted my phone, and have installed many ROMS, for me, is a MUST. I am buying a hardware not a software.
95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.
BarryH_GEG said:
95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...
Finding about this issue has just knocked the N3 from the top of my upgrade choices. Not happy at all.
Looks almost like a kicked up refreshed version of hboot on HTC devices. Anybody else get that feel?
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Was unaware of this.... Wow... idk... I pre-ordered and have been stoked for months... I'm hurting inside.
You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html
We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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designgears said:
You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html
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Well, why not? I see. This is what will make the device according to the personal. At once and for all ...
Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.
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We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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The Samsung has no obligation to xda. And we have a choice - to lose warranty or shake for it. The validity of that to pay for everything. And the phrase "I do buy the hardware and not a soft" - fundamental error ..
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Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.
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Yes and no. Pretty much all of Samsung's devices have had some form of flash counter in them. Plenty of people who root their devices and don't use Triangle Away have returned the phone for service, and Samsung fixed it anyway. I recall one guy saying has flash counter on his Note 2 was over 100 and they still fixed it without blinking an eye.
The legal side is questionable too - Samsung can put any clauses they want in their warranty agreement, but even if you were to agree to them in writing they wouldn't necessarily be enforceable. I don't know if anyone has ever had reason to test it, but if they refused service on my device I'd be expecting them to be able to justify with reasonable certainty that the fault was caused (at least indirectly) by running non-standard software on the device. I suspect if this were tested in court they would have a hard time enforcing it. In reality the non-rooting clause cannot render the device void of all warranty, but if the software needs to be reinstalled by them because of a faulty flash or to rectify a problem caused by rooting, they can still charge you for that.
Same way Dell can't void the warranty on my laptop if I load Linux on it........
* This is based on the terms of statutory warranty in the country of purchase. So in some jurisdictions the vendor has more freedom to add limitations.
So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.
Quasar83 said:
So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.
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You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...
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Well said Sir :good:
Rocheau said:
I am buying a hardware not a software.
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well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Do not need the bloatware offered by Samsung. Cynogenmod 10.2 is just fine for me.
Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Thank God! I don't care if I void my warranty add long as I can install custom ROMs
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Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty
lmike6453 said:
Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty
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You do not understand the basic. This technology Samsung KNOX ® has one goal - to tie the device to one particular user. That is, the device will not be a secondary market, as the user can not be removed. This means that the whole story is not vulnerable device, basically ...
p.s. I think that's why this technology has been approved by the Ministry of Defense USA. Or maybe I just being paranoid ...
In the EU rooting does not void warranty. I work at an official samsung cervice centre and we must fix softbricked phones at no cost since the updated licence.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
I know a bunch of us out here have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of a custom recovery, be it cwm, twrp, or philiz. After having root for several weeks and modding my note 3 the way I like it, I am wondering if there is a recovery method that will void my warranty but is already available. I realize many may not like this option, but at the same time I'm sure many like myself feel it's worth the tradeoff. Given the fact with a custom recovery and backups, many of the issues that may occur needing repair, outside of hardware failures obviously, can be fixed or restored via cwm. Many if the software bugs or issues that sometimes occur can be fixed via flashing stock after clean wipe or in the future a custom rom. So I'm all for a warranty proof recovery but at this point I'd much rather give up my warranty without hesitation than go without custom recovery.
What about you guys, is it just me or are there others around here that would do the same? And please if anyone has succeeded in flashing cwm or twrp and broke warranty let me and others know, who are willing to do the same as most if not all threads are talking about warranty proof recovery.
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Mega
I'm with you a long as we don't rush anyone to an incomplete "solution".
At this point I could care less about warranty. I would much rather get the ability to flash a super debloated Rom or even AOSP(yes I know I won't be able to use the pen). I think the Knox 0x1 possibility may be why there isn't a CWM/TWRP yet because the devs are wanting to preserve the warranty of the device. I know DesignGears has already tripped his Knox flag.
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At this point I could care less about warranty. I would much rather get the ability to flash a super debloated Rom or even AOSP(yes I know I won't be able to use the pen). I think the Knox 0x1 possibility may be why there isn't a CWM/TWRP yet because the devs are wanting to preserve the warranty of the device. I know DesignGears has already tripped his Knox flag.
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All I want is a debloated ROM. I just want to see how this phone runs without all the extra crap running in the background. I hate to say it..but I kind of like Touchwiz as long as I can theme it with Wanam!
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All I want is a debloated ROM. I just want to see how this phone runs without all the extra crap running in the background. I hate to say it..but I kind of like Touchwiz as long as I can theme it with Wanam!
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True that. Wanam and Unicon for me.
In a heartbeat I give up warranty for the option to finally get CWM, and get an awesome ROM like Scott's CleanROM on this phone. Debloat this beast, and tweaks to give even better battery life, and also makes the phone smoother / faster than stock.
Warranty from AT&T is pretty worthless anyways. I had some severe issues on my HTC One X with the Gorilla Glass just scratching to hell for no apparent reason and they refused to even switch it out with a refurb. There was a petition going around online with people claiming the same issues...I even sent the store manager a link to an XDA thread about it and they told me they would do nothing for me because it was considered physical damage and it was my fault. Garbage. I almost left them over it...the GN3 tempted me to stay.
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Why is this a thread
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Why is this a thread
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At this point is there anything else to really talk about?
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AT&T is pretty lax on battery replacement. My original battery had problems reading the current charge percentage remaining after fully charged. They just sent a replacement without asking for the old one to be sent back. Now I have a spare even though it does take the correct readings.
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True that. Wanam and Unicon for me.
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Please explain what Unicon is. I am familiar with Wanam, but never heard of Unicon.
Thank you.
I paid cash off contract to do what I want with it ..warranty is not a big deal for me
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Please explain what Unicon is. I am familiar with Wanam, but never heard of Unicon.
Thank you.
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It's an xposed module for theming your icons no matter what launcher you're using. It uses icon themes from all the popular launchers that are in the playstore.
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Because so many people cry about not being able to have their full warranty that it's probably holding back development. They don't realize that AT&T will not check their phones and send them a replacement whether they have a custom rom, Knox 0x1, etc. I've personally have NEVER had a device denied. They've been rooted, they've had custom roms and I've ALWAYS have gotten a replacement. So give it up will all this "I need my warranty crap." Seriously.
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Because so many people cry about not being able to have their full warranty that it's probably holding back development. They don't realize that AT&T will not check their phones and send them a replacement whether they have a custom rom, Knox 0x1, etc. I've personally have NEVER had a device denied. They've been rooted, they've had custom roms and I've ALWAYS have gotten a replacement. So give it up will all this "I need my warranty crap." Seriously.
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I turned in an htc one stuck on the stock 4.3 GE rom lol never heard anything from them about it.. in fact they sent me a brand new htc one.. ive had nothing but awesome experience with att warranty department. But then again I am on a business account so maybe they treat me differently
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I had an issue with my microsd card not staying in my note 2 today.
Rooted, custom rom.
I took it into ATT service center, figuring that they wouldn't care about root/rom, since the damn spring wasn't working on the micro sd slot.
The tech there told me she couldn't give me a replacement, since the phone was rooted; even though that had nothing to do with my sd card spring issue. She told me if I unrooted it and came back, she would then replace my phone.
I reminded her that rooting has nothing to do with a sd card spring, but she claimed that Samsung now inspects all the returns from the service centers, and if they find root, there is no credit given..
I find that impossible to believe, when you consider how many phones get returned every day, nation/world wide, but, my only point is, you never know what the status of your warranty is with ATT until you try to make a claim...
Never had issues like this with Sprint ..they couldn't care less if you were rooted..
And, BTW, I too am a corporate client with 4 lines on ATT, so no "special" treatment for me..
To those wondering why I started this thread, as others have mentioned above...every dev or cwm twrp thread ive come across talks about the hold up for warranty and not tripping the efuse or whatever....I paid outright for my note 3 and have never bothered with warranty anyway, and am sick of waiting to have cwm for safe backups for modding. As I noted im sure there are just as many who dont care enough or at all about the warranty or flash counter to give up custom recovery...I for one never bother fixing my flash counter on any of my phones or tabs, as I just dont care enough to worry about it, especially given the freedom and availability of flashing stock, covering your custom status theu custom recovery for any situation other than nard brick hardware failure. So please, any dev that sees us in this post asking for a dirty flash for cust recovery....void my warranty but give me cwm lol
seriously tho, I am tired of waiting and if warranty is the hold up on breaking the boot so be it...bye bye warranty hello recovery.
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I agree completely. If it's too broken for me to fix it it's time for a replacement.
regarding warranty, keep in mind that when a phone is swapped under warranty, the device is sent back to ATT via delivery. The device is then scanned to make sure you are returning a device you initially claimed for.
The device is NEVER turned on. It is only checked for physical damage.
Think on the mass amounts of shipments received in one day at the warranty center. Do you k ow how much time and the many employees needed to actually achieve turning on each phone to see what is working and not?
And also your device gets sent back w/no parts..batteries..etc. that would mean they would first have to grab batteries and back covers to start the run down?
never in a million years. the packages
only get checked for device / claim confirmation & no physical damage thats it. it then gets thrown into a recycling bucket.
These phones costs barely nothing to the mobile carries. They make most of their money on services. I remember hearing from a exec at ATT a while back when the first GNOTE arrived that each device cost about 7-10 bux wholesale.
Any losses from warranties easily get passed on to subscribers quietly along the line.
The only concern about custom /warranty voids is when you exchange your device at a warranty service location in person. That is your real only risk of getting shot down. ATT has a few of these locations around the US.
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I'm pretty sure your warrenty becomes void when you root.. not when you load a custom rom or get custom recovery.
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They either have no margin, a small margin or lose money on phones. Thats why you are locked into a contract and $700 unlocked device costs $300 because it's subsidized. Prices drop as new devics come out and manufacturers run promotions based on volume. Carriers have to commit to a certain number of phones and when they suck (facebook phones) they get rid of them cheap too
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I keep seeing all these posts worrying about your flash counter. Seriously, who is actually gonna go out of their way to go into DL mode and actually look?
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I keep seeing all these posts worrying about your flash counter. Seriously, who is actually gonna go out of their way to go into DL mode and actually look?
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Repair depot technicians, that's who! LOL
It's funny actually, I don't even think I have a warranty on my international model, but I still haven't rooted my Note 4...
I think the bigger drawback of rooting is that OTA updates may no longer happen . Or am I confused there?
I've had two different rooted S3s replaced at Best Buy and they have never checked for anything.
EDIT: But I did revert back to the stock rom before going to BB.
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I've had two different rooted S3s replaced at Best Buy and they have never checked for anything.
EDIT: But I did revert back to the stock rom before going to BB.
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What was the reason you brought two S3's back? I'm sure if it was something that needed immediate replacement, they may not bother, but a "regular" repair might involve checking your software/counters.
I don't really care since mine is far away from Hong Kong, and I think it doesn't support warranty (not too sure). I won't wait even it does, pretty sure it will gonna take over a month to get it fix plus fees. And I always change a new phone after a year, so unless hardware failure, I'm happy to have it even it tripped the Knox~
P.S. I rooted my phone straight away after I unpack it Now counted 2 already~
Normally rooting and Xposed is the first thing I'd do but I havent done it yet as I'm nervous about the flash counter and losing OTA updates. Really need root though for Viper and Xposed.
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What was the reason you brought two S3's back? I'm sure if it was something that needed immediate replacement, they may not bother, but a "regular" repair might involve checking your software/counters.
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The first time it was due to bad modem/radio( bad reception and dropping calls). The second time they couldn't have checked anyway, I destroyed it with a skid steer. But we've taken our kids S3s several times to be replaced and they didn't go into settings or anything like that so I know best Buy at least, doesn't know anything about checking for root.
On US carriers tripping Knox may be an issue with the 'Full-Price' upgrades (Next, etc.) -- That is how I picked up my N4, but if they look in detail, I would be on the hook for the remainder of the balance even though I had surrendered the phone back to them. There may be a work around / bypass eventually - there were in past phones that utilized counters. I would think there would be one if someone had the knowledge to dump everything and reload after a 'hard wipe'. They need to install them at the factory somehow. I am probably grasping at straws as my cooking experience was Windows Phones.
Top half of my screen suddenly goes bad out of no where!!
Anyone had this happened to them? Half of my screen now flickering, showing weird lines, unreadable stuff, and constantly flickering, and turning off. I can't even keep it on for more than 5 seconds.
Please see this video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2UhwqgZMmY
I can only think of RMA. .
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I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)
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I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)
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All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.
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All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.
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Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)
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Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)
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we'll see about that from Samsung.
Knox 0x1?
They will probably offer a "very competitive" out-of-warranty repair price.
Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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Oh man! That is killer! I have never heard of them doing that, but I have never heard of such a catastrophic failure on a Samsung tablet That kind of result will make ya a Samsung customer for life!
mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen
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mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen
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Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.
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Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.
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in my experience from years past, nobody that takes these returns really cares about root or custom ROMS when there is a hardware problem. The customer is usually shipped a refurbished model immediately while the damaged unit goes back for repair. By the time it gets to someone whos smart enough or loyal enough to care about root, the customer already has their refurb. when i sent in my droid x2 for repair it would ALWAYS boot to recovery options on first boot, then you would have to tell it to boot normally and it would. i was fine with it but forgot about that when i went to get it repaired....
they asked me "whats that green stuff on the screen?"
me: oh nothing.... *presses -boot normally- button*
"does it do that every time?!"
me: yeah but i dont care
"wow that must be annoying!".
then they shipped it off for repair and i got my refurb.
i dont think manufacturers or service providers care as much about root as many people think. they do a lot to prevent it sometimes but I have never had an issue on getting warranty services on a rooted device.
keeping in mind that none of those warranty services were because of software problems... every phone had something wrong with it physically.
Agreed, most phone warranties are like cars. It under warranty unless the "mod" could have possibly caused the problem.