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So, received my Nexus 4 two days ago. My AT&T sim card is arriving today. I have not turned the phone on (just letting it charge) or paid my bill yet. Will the phone work on AT&T's 4G LTE network, or do I misunderstand its hardware capability?
Rumors along the following lines started floating around yesterday:
"On February 25th Straight Talk will be unavailing a revamped website experience, along with several new mid and high end phones and a new procedure for acquiring and activating AT&T sim cards. The new Straight talk sim cards will work on AT&T 4G LTE networks. You will also be able to view call history and other information if you have a Straight Talk account. For the first time Straight Talk will also allow certain smart phones to be used on their $30 plan and will be expanding the plan to offer more voice minutes (1500) text (2000) and data (300 MB). Enjoy and remember, you heard it here first."
If true, it makes sense that the Straight Talk AT&T sim supply is being depleted.
First, AT&T sims are no longer available on the Straight Talk web site.
Secondly, I saw this post regarding the sims:
"Walmart.com, the only place that's selling the ST SIMS, are running out. Orders are being limited to 2 and they're out of the Micro SIMS now. So you might want to get yours while you can. I've read the forum for the last few months after getting my Nexus 4, my first smartphone believe it or not. Just thought I'd finally post something."
Finally, I also emailed Straight Talk regarding the sim issue:
Please be informed that we are still able to activate the AT&T Bring
Your Own Phone (BYOP) SIM cards. However, the BYOP AT&T SIM cards are
not available for online purchase in our website at this time. They are
available for purchase on the Wal-Mart website (www.walmart.com) and
from participating Wal-Mart retailer stores nationwide. Our records also
indicate that AT&T service is provided in the zip code <removed>. Please be
advised that we have not received any feedback about AT&T canceling
their contract with our service.
for LTE check HERE
should give you some basic info
aaronrw said:
for LTE check HERE
should give you some basic info
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That's even worse.......that would mean that my operating system is obsolete and I can't ever upgrade if I want LTE. From what I am coming to understand is that not all the LTE circuitry is in the phone anyway (like amplifiers for instance) so it would not work properly anyway, and the phone was never certified for LTE so I guess that is why they removed the capability in software.
yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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So, received my Nexus 4 two days ago. My AT&T sim card is arriving today. I have not turned the phone on (just letting it charge) or paid my bill yet. Will the phone work on AT&T's 4G LTE network, or do I misunderstand its hardware capability?
Rumors along the following lines started floating around yesterday:
"On February 25th Straight Talk will be unavailing a revamped website experience, along with several new mid and high end phones and a new procedure for acquiring and activating AT&T sim cards. The new Straight talk sim cards will work on AT&T 4G LTE networks. You will also be able to view call history and other information if you have a Straight Talk account. For the first time Straight Talk will also allow certain smart phones to be used on their $30 plan and will be expanding the plan to offer more voice minutes (1500) text (2000) and data (300 MB). Enjoy and remember, you heard it here first."
If true, it makes sense that the Straight Talk AT&T sim supply is being depleted.
First, AT&T sims are no longer available on the Straight Talk web site.
Secondly, I saw this post regarding the sims:
"Walmart.com, the only place that's selling the ST SIMS, are running out. Orders are being limited to 2 and they're out of the Micro SIMS now. So you might want to get yours while you can. I've read the forum for the last few months after getting my Nexus 4, my first smartphone believe it or not. Just thought I'd finally post something."
Finally, I also emailed Straight Talk regarding the sim issue:
Please be informed that we are still able to activate the AT&T Bring
Your Own Phone (BYOP) SIM cards. However, the BYOP AT&T SIM cards are
not available for online purchase in our website at this time. They are
available for purchase on the Wal-Mart website (www.walmart.com) and
from participating Wal-Mart retailer stores nationwide. Our records also
indicate that AT&T service is provided in the zip code <removed>. Please be
advised that we have not received any feedback about AT&T canceling
their contract with our service.
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i don't get it, what the heck is straight talk? and how is your phone obsolete?
That's the basic gist of any product these days.
Now with the Nexus 4, that made it even a bit worse since it didn't come with the hardware needed to work. Then again having LTE is such a big deal to you then guess you bought the phone without doing any research.
hp420 said:
yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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Thanks for clearing that up. But is the LTE crippled by missing components like I have read, or is that another falacy?
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Then again having LTE is such a big deal to you then guess you bought the phone without doing any research.
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Actually I knew that LTE was not listed in the specs for the device before I bought the device. It was the very recent software update that concerned me, and yes again, they have every right to totally disable LTE in the future if they so choose. It was a lot cheaper than the Galaxy S III, so it is a gamble. Thanks for your constructive answer by the way.
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Thanks for clearing that up. But is the LTE crippled by missing components like I have read, or is that another falacy?
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crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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Great. This is my first smartphone, and I am trying to read up on the technology on several forums as fast as possible, so excuse my lack of knowledge. I have been supporting Linux for 10 years, so quite honestly my first priority is to root the device and install Busybox so I have a portable device with command line access via wifi with the most Linux commands available to all of my Linux servers at home, especially my Raspberry Pi for a project that I am building. Also hoping for Ubuntu on Android for this phone (Actually would prefer Red Hat/Centos/Fedora for Android). Second priority is phone calls. Third priority is data (HPSA+, 3G, 4G, etc.). I figure what I would have to pay for a camera, GPS, etc., as standalone devices, of which I own none, this is a fantastic deal.
hp420 said:
yes. every device is obsolete the moment it hits retail. there's always something better in development.
btw, there are a few things I should clear up:
1. the radio/baseband is NOT the operating system. it only provides reception to the device.
2. android is not an operating system. it is random optional memory, or a firmware, if you prefer to look at it like that.
3. just use the old radio and the newest version of android together. the only change wiith the new radio is they killed band 4 so you can't connect to lte. I'm coming from a nexus s 4g, and I never updated my radio for the whole life of the device until about 3 months ago. the only thing it affects at all is your voice/data signal. Your phone wouldn't ever know the difference, unless they start making radio updates mandatory.....then you can start crying about losing lte. and I'll be right next to you with a tissue in my hand, as well.
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How is android NOT an OS???
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hp420 said:
crippled?!?!?! hahahaha!!! what you read were reviews immediately after the phone launched where it waspointed out that the lte chip is present, but no one was connecting. the only thing that could be construed as 'crippled' is the fact that it can only connect to band 4 lte. but if you use band 4, you would never know anything was different.
Just sign up with a carrier that uses band 4 lte and you'll be fine. None in the US currently do, but tmobile is going to launch theirs soon, and it will be band 4. I've also heard rumors of users getting lte working on at&t, but since my hatred for at&t runs deep, I wouldn't even consider using them, so I never paid attention to how it's done.
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It is crippled. There is no amplifier.
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joshnichols189 said:
It is crippled. There is no amplifier.
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Sigh. There is an amplifier and all the hardware necessary to connect to and use LTE if your carrier uses band 4. Plenty if canucks have been doing it for months.
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shultz11588 said:
How is android NOT an OS???
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by definition, that's how.
wikipedia said:
An operating system (OS) is a collection of software that manages computer hardware resources and provides common services for computer programs. The operating system is a vital component of the system software in a computer system.
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android is not software, but rather firmware
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Computer software, or just software, is a collection of computer programs and related data that provides the instructions for telling a computer what to do and how to do it. Software refers to one or more computer programs and data held in the storage of the computer.
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In electronic systems and computing, firmware is the combination of persistent memory and program code and data stored in it.[1] Typical examples of devices containing firmware are embedded systems (such as traffic lights, consumer appliances, and digital watches), computers, computer peripherals, mobile phones, and digital cameras. The firmware contained in these devices provides the control program for the device. Firmware is held in non-volatile memory devices such as ROM, EPROM, or flash memory.
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Notice the bold in the last quote? This is the defining difference.
hp420 said:
by definition, that's how.
android is not software, but rather firmware
Notice the bold in the last quote? This is the defining difference.
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If you interpret and connect the two definitions like that, then iOS, Windows Phone 8, etc., none of them are OSes. If someone load an OS onto a ROM, it automatically becomes NOT an OS? Firmware contains program code, and part of the code can be the OS. Firmware and OS are not mutually exclusive. An OS is defined by its functionality, not where or how it is stored.
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by definition, that's how.
android is not software, but rather firmware
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I installed and ran android on my laptop. So how does that fit with your clever definition!!
An OS is not defined by the media it is on, you can run Linux off a USB stick,its still an OS.
Your interpretation of that definition is wrong, you have decided to just force it to fit in with your incorrect understanding
Also correct me if I am mistaken but the radio is also what starts the boot process? I read somewhere that it is the first thing to load and bootstraps in the rest of the OS? So it does a bit more than just provide reception.
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hi, i want to purchase the nexus 7 lte but it's important that i be able to use it with my existing verizon data plan (eventually). i've read the threads and understand they will be certifying it (eventually). i don't want to wait to purchase it so i want to make sure i'm buying the correct model (for verizon activation later). i noticed there are 3 versions being sold at google playstore: 1) with AT&T sim, 2) with T-Mobile sim 3) Unlocked. would the unlock version be the correct device to get or will they be coming out with another model, once verizon completes their testing and certifies it? thanks for any advice.
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hi, i want to purchase the nexus 7 lte but it's important that i be able to use it with my existing verizon data plan (eventually). i've read the threads and understand they will be certifying it (eventually). i don't want to wait to purchase it so i want to make sure i'm buying the correct model (for verizon activation later). i noticed there are 3 versions being sold at google playstore: 1) with AT&T sim, 2) with T-Mobile sim 3) Unlocked. would the unlock version be the correct device to get or will they be coming out with another model, once verizon completes their testing and certifies it? thanks for any advice.
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I purchased the Google Nexus 7 LTE (2013) which came with the T-Mobile SIM.
I took my microSIM card out of my Samsung Galaxy S4 (verizon) and put it into my Google Nexus 7 LTE (2013) and verizon LTE data worked fine. I forwarded my Verizon phone number to my Google Voice number, and used the N7LTE as my phone for a week. However, I found that GrooveIP and Talkatone apps would sometimes miss incoming google voice calls even when I was using WiFi for data. So, I moved my verizon microSIM card back to my phone.
It is my understanding that all three models of N7LTE offerred by Google are the exact same tablet. The only difference is which promotional microSIM card is included in the box.
Good Luck,
Howard
P.S. I do not know if Verizon can see that I am using the phone microSIM card in the N7LTE tablet. If Verizon can see this, then it is possible Verizon can take actions like dropping data service or cancelling my account or whatever else one can imagine. I do not know if Verizon can see which device the microSIM card is installed in. I also don't know if Verizon cares or not.
robbgo said:
hi, i want to purchase the nexus 7 lte but it's important that i be able to use it with my existing verizon data plan (eventually). i've read the threads and understand they will be certifying it (eventually). i don't want to wait to purchase it so i want to make sure i'm buying the correct model (for verizon activation later). i noticed there are 3 versions being sold at google playstore: 1) with AT&T sim, 2) with T-Mobile sim 3) Unlocked. would the unlock version be the correct device to get or will they be coming out with another model, once verizon completes their testing and certifies it? thanks for any advice.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2456807
I made that post for new buyers like you. All 3 versions work on all 3 carriers. Buy the t-mobile one since theyre the same price and keep the sim with free 2gb data for a rainy day. You can use your existing sim (microsim) in your new tablet until it is certified, which, knowing verizon, could be a long wait. Just know that if you have a nanosim or a traditional sim card then you will need a cheap adapter.
nexus7lte said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2456807
I made that post for new buyers like you. All 3 versions work on all 3 carriers. Buy the t-mobile one since theyre the same price and keep the sim with free 2gb data for a rainy day. You can use your existing sim (microsim) in your new tablet until it is certified, which, knowing verizon, could be a long wait. Just know that if you have a nanosim or a traditional sim card then you will need a cheap adapter.
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thanks for the advice. i have a micro-sim from my droid rzr which i believe works with the nexus 7, so i should be good. - robb
This may help some of you who want to use your Nexus 7 with Verizon but need to put it on a new line rather than swapping the SIM with another device. As you all know by now, Verizon won't willingly set up a new tablet line for you with a Nexus 7's IMEI number due to the fact that the Nexus 7 isn't yet "certified" for use on Verizon's network.
I went into a Verizon store and grabbed the IMEI number off of a floor-model Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. I then called Verizon customer service to set up the new tablet line. I gave them the IMEI number that I got from the Tab 2, which obviously passed the "is it approved for Verizon's network" test. They then set up the new line and sent me a micro SIM card via FedEx. When I got the micro SIM card today, I put it in my Nexus 7, went online to My Verizon, and did "Activate or Switch Device". I selected the new tablet line, then it asked me for the SIM ID# and the IMEI for the device. I gave it the SIM ID number from the card they sent me and the IMEI number from the Tab 2 floor model. I then turned on the Nexus 7 and after a little bit of a wait, it activated with no problem at all.
It's worth noting that you CANNOT do this in a Verizon store. They'll insist on seeing the tablet before they'll give you a SIM. The only way is to call and set up the line over the phone through Verizon customer service. Also, make sure you use an IMEI number from a tablet, otherwise it'll set up as a phone line and charge you for a phone plan.
oldblue910 said:
I went into a VZW store and grabbed the IMEI off of a floor-model Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, then called VZW to set up the new line. I gave them that IMEI and they sent me a micro SIM card. When I got the SIM card today, I put the SIM in my Nexus 7, went online and put in the SIM ID# and the IMEI from the floor model. It activated fine and my N7 is now working fine on Verizon. I think they only use the IMEI number to verify that your device is "approved" for Verizon's network. Once it gets past that, you're in the clear.
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hahaha. You're genius, man. F* verizon
calvinpl said:
hahaha. You're genius, man. F* verizon
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haha Exactly. There's more than one way to skin a deer. It just goes to illustrate the lunacy of black or white listing blocks of IMEI numbers.
Brilliant. Screw VZW!
Glad you got it to work. I love using mine on Verizon.
Its there a difference using Verizon stead att or T-Mobile ? That you have to work around to use Verizon
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So is the only association for billing purposes your sim to your account or is there also an association of your imei to your account, let's say for 3g data. I know the nexus doesn't do 3g on CDMA, but did the Samsung? Put another way, is there anyway the store demo Samsung's data usage is now counted on your account, in addition to your nexus data usage?
sfhub said:
So is the only association for billing purposes your sim to your account or is there also an association of your imei to your account, let's say for 3g data. I know the nexus doesn't do 3g on CDMA, but did the Samsung? Put another way, is there anyway the store demo Samsung's data usage is now counted on your account, in addition to your nexus data usage?
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No, it's only based on SIM card. The IMEI is only used to verify compatibility and to tell Verizon's system what kind of device you have.
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oldblue910 said:
No, it's only based on SIM card. The IMEI is only used to verify compatibility and to tell Verizon's system what kind of device you have.
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So how does billing for the 3g side (for the Samsung) work since it was my understanding the SIM is only used for LTE? I am not disputing what you are saying, just trying to reconcile my understanding of how things work with how the billing is implemented. It is possible my understanding of how the different pieces are working is deficient. On CDMA we've never had SIMs and just had embedded IMEI/MEID. Only with LTE did we get SIMs but it was my understanding the SIMs were only used for the LTE side and the old 3g stuff still used the IMEI/MEID. When I activate a 3G-only CDMA phone all I enter is the IMEI/MEID, there is no SIM to enter. The billing in that case must be done by IMEI/MEID or my data usage would never show up. I am just wondering if there are 2 phases to the activation, associating the SIM with your account for LTE data and associating the MEID with your account for 3g data.
Nice way to go around the idiotic process that Varizon have put in place. It just seems that there is absolutely no logic behind the process. From a business stand point I "as a business owner" would like a customer to pay me more for for new service of a tablet for example. It really should not matter what the tools used are as long as I am getting my payments on time and my customer is satisfied with my service.
sfhub said:
So how does billing for the 3g side (for the Samsung) work since it was my understanding the SIM is only used for LTE? I am not disputing what you are saying, just trying to reconcile my understanding of how things work with how the billing is implemented. It is possible my understanding of how the different pieces are working is deficient. On CDMA we've never had SIMs and just had embedded IMEI/MEID. Only with LTE did we get SIMs but it was my understanding the SIMs were only used for the LTE side and the old 3g stuff still used the IMEI/MEID. When I activate a 3G-only CDMA phone all I enter is the IMEI/MEID, there is no SIM to enter. The billing in that case must be done by IMEI/MEID or my data usage would never show up. I am just wondering if there are 2 phases to the activation, associating the SIM with your account for LTE data and associating the MEID with your account for 3g data.
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The SIM ID still carries over to the CDMA side. It's a software bridge in Verizon's system.
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alextop30 said:
It just seems that there is absolutely no logic behind the process. From a business stand point I "as a business owner" would like a customer to pay me more for for new service of a tablet for example. It really should not matter what the tools used are as long as I am getting my payments on time and my customer is satisfied with my service.
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This times eleventy billion.
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Oh that's good. Nice work around.
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I hope every Verizon user does this
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I am curious as to whether you have 4.4 or not. I have been starring at this system update downloaded notification for 3 days now, scared to pull the trigger in case they did something to block "unauthorized" devices.
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rhippler said:
I am curious as to whether you have 4.4 or not. I have been starring at this system update downloaded notification for 3 days now, scared to pull the trigger in case they did something to block "unauthorized" devices.
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It works fine on KitKat. And tethering is still enabled. Update with confidence!
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I just tried this, and the Rep on the phone would not activate it because he said the device was already associated with an account.
Mr.Preacher said:
I just tried this, and the Rep on the phone would not activate it because he said the device was already associated with an account.
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He said your N7 was already associated with an account?
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oldblue910 said:
He said your N7 was already associated with an account?
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He said the Galaxy was already associated with an account, referring to the IMEI I gave him that I got from the floor model.
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He said the Galaxy was already associated with an account, referring to the IMEI I gave him that I got from the floor model.
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That's interesting... I didn't have that problem. Maybe you could try to set up the account online?
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Hey guys,
I just purchased a nexus 6 from t-mobile and popped in a sim from att, sprint, and Verizon. I can confirm all 3 worked flawlessly with no problems.
At the device start up, i did skip the part where it tried to activate on the network the sim was from.
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
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If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
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Are you seeing the issue of voice + data not working at the same time? When I'm on a call on Verizon, Wi-Fi works, but mobile data shuts off... is this just Verizon, or is this a "feature"?
sephtin said:
Are you seeing the issue of voice + data not working at the same time? When I'm on a call on Verizon, Wi-Fi works, but mobile data shuts off... is this just Verizon, or is this a "feature"?
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That is not activated on Verizon...
But what I do want to know is if Verizon will whitelist the imei numbers . because I am soooo ready to pull the trigger to buy at a tmobile store. Did you have to activate the tmobile first? That's what the rep is telling me here
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Are you seeing the issue of voice + data not working at the same time? When I'm on a call on Verizon, Wi-Fi works, but mobile data shuts off... is this just Verizon, or is this a "feature"?
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Unless something has changed with CDMA technology, the Verizon phones shouldn't be able to use data while on an active call. I know they are working to get that working with some new LTE standard but I haven't heard anything about it being here yet.
dadsterflip said:
That is not activated on Verizon...
But what I do want to know is if Verizon will whitelist the imei numbers . because I am soooo ready to pull the trigger to buy at a tmobile store. Did you have to activate the tmobile first? That's what the rep is telling me here
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I'm considering switching to TMo anyway, so I picked up 30 days of pre-paid with the phone for 45$. I plan to try both carriers on my commute, see how signal is on both carriers on the train ride, downtown at work, etc. before making up my mind, and this device makes it as easy as swapping the SIM out!
The issue I had, was I didn't have a nano-SIM. Verizon rep at the store told me there was nothing they could do... I told them if he got me a nano-SIM, that customer support could active it... He gave me a SIM and let me use their phone to call Support to activate it. The support person did a "SIM swap" for my existing device, even though my Note3 obviously doesn't use a nano-SIM.. but that's all it took to activate the nano-SIM, and it works perfectly.
I may be misunderstanding your question... I believe the confusion is that you don't actually activate the phone... you activate the SIM IN the device. You should be able to take the phone out of the box, and drop in an already activated SIM and all will work fine...
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Unless something has changed with CDMA technology, the Verizon phones shouldn't be able to use data while on an active call. I know they are working to get that working with some new LTE standard but I haven't heard anything about it being here yet.
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Thank you for confirming, that's exactly what I needed to know! I'm sure I can live without needing mobile data while on a call...
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I'm considering switching to TMo anyway, so I picked up 30 days of pre-paid with the phone for 45$. I plan to try both carriers on my commute, see how signal is on both carriers on the train ride, downtown at work, etc. before making up my mind, and this device makes it as easy as swapping the SIM out!
The issue I had, was I didn't have a nano-SIM. Verizon rep at the store told me there was nothing they could do... I told them if he got me a nano-SIM, that customer support could active it... He gave me a SIM and let me use their phone to call Support to activate it. The support person did a "SIM swap" for my existing device, even though my Note3 obviously doesn't use a nano-SIM.. but that's all it took to activate the nano-SIM, and it works perfectly.
I may be misunderstanding your question... I believe the confusion is that you don't actually activate the phone... you activate the SIM IN the device. You should be able to take the phone out of the box, and drop in an already activated SIM and all will work fine...
Thank you for confirming, that's exactly what I needed to know! I'm sure I can live without needing mobile data while on a call...
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I know it works. My question is. Would Verizon block the imei or device I.d.s later down the road to where it doesn't work and only the imei that's been sold on Google play works.
dadsterflip said:
I know it works. My question is. Would Verizon block the imei or device I.d.s later down the road to where it doesn't work and only the imei that's been sold on Google play works.
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Good luck getting your answer. If the device suddenly stops working on Big Red, I'll post here (as soon as I've completed my switch to another carrier).
sephtin said:
Good luck getting your answer. If the device suddenly stops working on Big Red, I'll post here (as soon as I've completed my switch to another carrier).
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Lol. Yea that's what I was worried about. I didn't want to buy it then down the road oh yea this I.d. doesn't work anymore.
I did not register my device on T-Mobile at all. Just popped the other sims in.
What I'm told is that carriers only care about imei when activating for the first time. If you just put your own sim in there they just can't see the device type which really doesn't matter unless you're looking to call them for support.
T mobile store gave me **** about buying the phone out right. I had to get a friend to add me as an authorized user on his account to buy the phone OUTRIGHT. So stupid...
Also, at T-Mobile the phone out right was 649 where everyone else is like 50 or 40 bucks more which was also sweet.
I also did not get bloat Ware on the phone from the carriers.
The devices CDMA identifier (MEID??) needs to be in the carriers whitelist so if the OP didn't place a voice call over either the Sprint or Verizon networks itnis not "safe" to to say it works on all carriers.
This is supposed to be one model for all of the US with 4 SKUs for the variations, and it should work but there is still the question of whether the CDMA carrier. Allows the phone on their network.
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I can confirm I've activated my nexus bought directly from moto on both sprint and T-Mobile. Both voice and data worked with each carrier. Sprint takes a little more when than just putting the Sim in. They need to activate the MEID in their system. You can't just put an active Sim from another phone in and have it work.
Interesting..
Other users have reported the exact opposite.
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Interesting..
Other users have reported the exact opposite.
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If you referring to activating one on sprint, I was one of those users. Since Monday haven't been able to activate it until this morning.
seezar said:
If you referring to activating one on sprint, I was one of those users. Since Monday haven't been able to activate it until this morning.
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Yep, talking about Sprint. IIRC, there were multiple threads on here saying you can only activate on CDMA carriers if you buy from them or Google Play.
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Yep, talking about Sprint. IIRC, there were multiple threads on here saying you can only activate on CDMA carriers if you buy from them or Google Play.
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What about activating on Verizon?
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Buying from T-Mo living in a non-T-Mo area
Yes. I must be one of the only people on here in the U.S. not living in a T-Mo area.
I just ordered from T-Mo (64GB MB). After much conversation and clarification, I've learned that one can buy a Nexus 6 from them outright, which requires also buying a $10 SIM activation kit. Since I do not live in a T-Mo area, I will have to call and cancel my 'yet-to-be-activated' plan, which also required a $50 deposit. By utilizing T-Mo's "buyer's remorse", I will be able to keep the phone, since I bought it outright, but will be refunded my $50 deposit for the service, without ever having to activate it on T-Mo's network. From there, I will pop in my AT&T SIM card, and be on my way! The only thing I'll be out is the $10 SIM activation kit.
Also, the rep's did acknowledge that the Nexus 6 is one of the few phones they have that are already unlocked.
Please do critique this if you foresee any problems I'll have popping in my AT&T SIM and using my existing service with them.
EDIT: Yargh. T-Mo had zero 64GB phones, and have since called me back to tell me they are on back order. But hey... at least I have an order in now. Beats what I've accomplished so far on the Play store all to hell.
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What about activating on Verizon?
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As far as I'm aware, Verizon comes under the same category. You should only be able to activate on Verizon if you buy the phone from Google Play or from Verizon.
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As far as I'm aware, Verizon comes under the same category. You should only be able to activate on Verizon if you buy the phone from Google Play or from Verizon.
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That is what I have read. I am hoping by the 12/2 when I get my phone from Motorola I will have more options regarding Verizon.
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What about activating on Verizon?
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I bought my device from T-Mobile, removed the T-Mobile sim it came with, put my Verizon sim card in, and it worked no problem. This happened with my phone on ATT as well. The guy next to me did the SAME EXACT THING on Sprint.
I am not BSing you guys in the least. I have no problem helping out in anyway I can. I'll even give you the number and the guy at the T Mobile store who watched us do it lol.
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Unless something has changed with CDMA technology, the Verizon phones shouldn't be able to use data while on an active call. I know they are working to get that working with some new LTE standard but I haven't heard anything about it being here yet.
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This is incorrect, it has been working for 3 years now. Data while on a phone call has been working since LTE came out. It worked on my Note 2, Note 3, and currently works on my Galaxy S5. Also works on my families HTC M7 and M8.
However, it no longer works on the Droid Turbo, and now I believe the N6.
But the original assumption was incorrect, data + voice has been working for years. They did something now that it is not working on new devices coming out.
I am early but thought I would start this now.
Please feel free to discuss any Verizon related topics regarding the Nexus 6.
Been working well for me for over a month. No complaints except I would like volte. Otherwise, very happy with my decision.
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Not really sure we need yet another Verizon thread but ok
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I might as well summarize my experience with Verizon and the Nexus 6 thus far, since it's probably typical in many respects:
Getting a nano SIM for a phone that Verizon doesn't yet recognize:
Purchased a new, carrier-unaligned Nexus 6 that came from the Motorola website (64GB Midnight Blue), which obviously comes with no (nano) SIM card
My old Verizon phone, a Samsung Galaxy S III, used a Verizon micro SIM card
Experimenting with cutting a (different) micro SIM card down to nano SIM led to disaster for the card, though I did try to be careful. Decided that the manual cutting path wasn't for me. Maybe one of those punch-out cutters are more foolproof
Obtained a free nano SIM card from Verizon after calling Technical Support and telling them I got a Motorola that will require nano SIM format, for my existing line. They sent it via two-day FedEx.
Trying to activate a new Verizon Wireless nano SIM:
Learned that you cannot place a nano SIM card into a non-nano SIM phone and activate that SIM with Verizon - their online and phone-based activation methods both use the same check to determine if a SIM card is physically the same size as required by the phone. So, even using a nano-to-micro SIM adapted in a micro SIM phone won't fly for first-time activation of a nano SIM
A Technical Representative on the phone told me that one of her co-workers was testing out the Nexus 6 internally (as part of their job) and they really liked the phone, it was working well with their systems, etc. But, you couldn't register the phone with a consumer account, yet. I was also told that unaffiliated Nexus 6 phones (such as mine) should be formally accepted and recognized by Verizon after they open their systems to registration for that model.
I was able to obtain a used Moto X (2013) and activate my new nano SIM on my Unlimited Data Plan phone line using the Verizon Wireless website. I waited until the My Verizon website showed that I had a Moto X on the line, just to ensure everything was cool
Activating the Motorola-bought Nexus 6 on Verizon's network:
Placed the newly activated nano SIM into my Nexus 6 and went through phone activation on Verizon's network for the first time. It was showing a progress indicator for about two minutes . . . then, it moved to the next step of setting up phone configuration, Google ID, etc.
The My Verizon site now shows my line as having an unknown phone with the Verizon SIM, and an additional warning states this condition in more explicit - but non-threatening - terms.
I've been able to use phone and 4G data features on Verizon's network without problems on the Nexus 6 since activating with the nano SIM.
After Verizon officially recognize Nexus 6 phones in its system, I'll check back and ensure that my phone is propely recognized by them, in case network issues crop up and I need formal support in that regard. Obviously, I am not asking them for phone support, as I'll get that through my Motorola warranty.
So, I'd imagine the steps above for registering a Nexus 6 with Verizon will become
Bring your Nexus 6 to Verizon (i.e., they ask for the IMEI)
Ask for a new (free) nano SIM if you don't already have one
Place the new nano SIM in your Nexus 6 and activate both with Verizon either online or via Phone/in-Person Representative
after they formally recognize the phone .
I don't know if they'll give former AT&T or other carrier Nexus 6 owners a hassle in using their phones on the Verizon network due to IMEI, though.
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ooofest said:
I might as well summarize my experience with Verizon and the Nexus 6 thus far, since it's probably typical in many respects:
Getting a nano SIM for a phone that Verizon doesn't yet recognize:
Purchased a new, carrier-unaligned Nexus 6 that came from the Motorola website (64GB Midnight Blue), which obviously comes with no (nano) SIM card
My old Verizon phone, a Samsung Galaxy S III, used a Verizon micro SIM card
Experimenting with cutting a (different) micro SIM card down to nano SIM led to disaster for the card, though I did try to be careful. Decided that the manual cutting path wasn't for me. Maybe one of those punch-out cutters are more foolproof
Obtained a free nano SIM card from Verizon after calling Technical Support and telling them I got a Motorola that will require nano SIM format, for my existing line. They sent it via two-day FedEx.
Trying to activate a new Verizon Wireless nano SIM:
Learned that you cannot place a nano SIM card into a non-nano SIM phone and activate that SIM with Verizon - their online and phone-based activation methods both use the same check to determine if a SIM card is physically the same size as required by the phone. So, even using a nano-to-micro SIM adapted in a micro SIM phone won't fly for first-time activation of a nano SIM
A Technical Representative on the phone told me that one of her co-workers was testing out the Nexus 6 internally (as part of their job) and they really liked the phone, it was working well with their systems, etc. But, you couldn't register the phone with a consumer account, yet. I was also told that unaffiliated Nexus 6 phones (such as mine) should be formally accepted and recognized by Verizon after they open their systems to registration for that model.
I was able to obtain a used Moto X (2013) and activate my new nano SIM on my Unlimited Data Plan phone line using the Verizon Wireless website. I waited until the My Verizon website showed that I had a Moto X on the line, just to ensure everything was cool
Activating the Motorola-bought Nexus 6 on Verizon's network:
Placed the newly activated nano SIM into my Nexus 6 and went through phone activation on Verizon's network for the first time. It was showing a progress indicator for about two minutes . . . then, it moved to the next step of setting up phone configuration, Google ID, etc.
The My Verizon site now shows my line as having an unknown phone with the Verizon SIM, and an additional warning states this condition in more explicit - but non-threatening - terms.
I've been able to use phone and 4G data features on Verizon's network without problems on the Nexus 6 since activating with the nano SIM.
After Verizon officially recognize Nexus 6 phones in its system, I'll check back and ensure that my phone is propely recognized by them, in case network issues crop up and I need formal support in that regard. Obviously, I am not asking them for phone support, as I'll get that through my Motorola warranty.
So, I'd imagine the steps above for registering a Nexus 6 with Verizon will become
Bring your Nexus 6 to Verizon (i.e., they ask for the IMEI)
Ask for a new (free) nano SIM if you don't already have one
Place the new nano SIM in your Nexus 6 and activate both with Verizon either online or via Phone/in-Person Representative
after they formally recognize the phone .
I don't know if they'll give former AT&T or other carrier Nexus 6 owners a hassle in using their phones on the Verizon network due to IMEI, though.
- ooofest
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Interesting story. I plan to buy the phone at a VZW store so there should, in principle, be no problems having the network recognize it.
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Interesting story. I plan to buy the phone at a VZW store so there should, in principle, be no problems having the network recognize it.
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Yeah, from all they've told me, it should happen like any other subsidized phone.
I decided to document the stuff above for future reference, assuming that the whole "providers must unlock fully paid for phones after end of contract, etc." kicks in and might apply to either phones they don't yet accept in their particular network or for which they make you go through hoops to get a new SIM - that is, some elements of this might apply to future situations. I'm still wondering if they'll formally recognize my non-Verizon-bought Nexus 6 some day, as well (as they claim will happen).
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How many others are using their phones on Verizon and what did they use to unlock and root the phones?
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I might as well summarize my experience with Verizon and the Nexus 6 thus far, since it's probably typical in many respects:
Getting a nano SIM for a phone that Verizon doesn't yet recognize:
Purchased a new, carrier-unaligned Nexus 6 that came from the Motorola website (64GB Midnight Blue), which obviously comes with no (nano) SIM card
My old Verizon phone, a Samsung Galaxy S III, used a Verizon micro SIM card
Experimenting with cutting a (different) micro SIM card down to nano SIM led to disaster for the card, though I did try to be careful. Decided that the manual cutting path wasn't for me. Maybe one of those punch-out cutters are more foolproof
Obtained a free nano SIM card from Verizon after calling Technical Support and telling them I got a Motorola that will require nano SIM format, for my existing line. They sent it via two-day FedEx.
Trying to activate a new Verizon Wireless nano SIM:
Learned that you cannot place a nano SIM card into a non-nano SIM phone and activate that SIM with Verizon - their online and phone-based activation methods both use the same check to determine if a SIM card is physically the same size as required by the phone. So, even using a nano-to-micro SIM adapted in a micro SIM phone won't fly for first-time activation of a nano SIM
A Technical Representative on the phone told me that one of her co-workers was testing out the Nexus 6 internally (as part of their job) and they really liked the phone, it was working well with their systems, etc. But, you couldn't register the phone with a consumer account, yet. I was also told that unaffiliated Nexus 6 phones (such as mine) should be formally accepted and recognized by Verizon after they open their systems to registration for that model.
I was able to obtain a used Moto X (2013) and activate my new nano SIM on my Unlimited Data Plan phone line using the Verizon Wireless website. I waited until the My Verizon website showed that I had a Moto X on the line, just to ensure everything was cool
Activating the Motorola-bought Nexus 6 on Verizon's network:
Placed the newly activated nano SIM into my Nexus 6 and went through phone activation on Verizon's network for the first time. It was showing a progress indicator for about two minutes . . . then, it moved to the next step of setting up phone configuration, Google ID, etc.
The My Verizon site now shows my line as having an unknown phone with the Verizon SIM, and an additional warning states this condition in more explicit - but non-threatening - terms.
I've been able to use phone and 4G data features on Verizon's network without problems on the Nexus 6 since activating with the nano SIM.
After Verizon officially recognize Nexus 6 phones in its system, I'll check back and ensure that my phone is propely recognized by them, in case network issues crop up and I need formal support in that regard. Obviously, I am not asking them for phone support, as I'll get that through my Motorola warranty.
So, I'd imagine the steps above for registering a Nexus 6 with Verizon will become
Bring your Nexus 6 to Verizon (i.e., they ask for the IMEI)
Ask for a new (free) nano SIM if you don't already have one
Place the new nano SIM in your Nexus 6 and activate both with Verizon either online or via Phone/in-Person Representative
after they formally recognize the phone .
I don't know if they'll give former AT&T or other carrier Nexus 6 owners a hassle in using their phones on the Verizon network due to IMEI, though.
- ooofest
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Or save yourself a ton of time and cut your current microsim. Its really easy, no templates or anything needed.
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How many others are using their phones on Verizon and what did they use to unlock and root the phones?
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Fastboot and SuperSU, just read the sticky, its very straight forward.
I had no problem activating a nano sim in a non-nano phone. I put a nano sim in a micro adapter, and inserted into my Droid 4. Called Verizon, said I needed to activate a new sim, and it went without a hitch. Removed it from the phone and adapter, put it in my Nexus 6. and has worked like a charm ever since. 5 minutes start to finish.
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Or save yourself a ton of time and cut your current microsim. Its really easy, no templates or anything needed.
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Not always, unfortunately.
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ndoren said:
I had no problem activating a nano sim in a non-nano phone. I put a nano sim in a micro adapter, and inserted into my Droid 4. Called Verizon, said I needed to activate a new sim, and it went without a hitch. Removed it from the phone and adapter, put it in my Nexus 6. and has worked like a charm ever since. 5 minutes start to finish.
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Did they ask you for the phone IMEI? I couldn't get around that in the store, on the phone or via the website.
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Not always, unfortunately.
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Did they ask you for the phone IMEI? I couldn't get around that in the store, on the phone or via the website.
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Nope. It was already the phone (Droid 4) that was currently in my account as my active phone. It was already my active IMEI. I simply said I was activating a new sim card in it. All they wanted was the serial number of the SIM. I even got the SIM off ebay (new) and not from verizon. It was activated no questions asked. This was discussed in another thread and I mentioned this there, and several replies came back that they did the same thing. You can definitely activate a nano card in a micro device. Maybe it just takes the right rep.
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. . . Maybe it just takes the right rep.
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Maybe so - if you try to do it online, it will definitely perform the check, so perhaps some Reps manage to get around that step (unlike the two that I tried).
- ooofest
I was going to try Wug's nexus tool kit to unlock and root. In principle it should work.
it works great
ronaldheld said:
I was going to try Wug's nexus tool kit to unlock and root. In principle it should work.
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and if you want the best rom on the planet with the greatest dev ever, download chroma...
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and if you want the best rom on the planet with the greatest dev ever, download chroma...
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His support is insane, there's teams of devs building less stable roms that don't help their users at all. It's impressive.
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Maybe so - if you try to do it online, it will definitely perform the check, so perhaps some Reps manage to get around that step (unlike the two that I tried).
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I had no problem activating my nano in a non nano phone. I also activated it through VZW website through the account page. I called in and said I needed a nano SIM for a moto x that I would be receiving and never bought one and just activated it on my current non nano phone with adapter.
Once I get TWRP installed and working correctly I am likely to go back to being a flashaholic. I would expect to be running a ROM of my own in the future. I will keep chroma in mind along with CleanROM.
Masx said:
I had no problem activating my nano in a non nano phone. I also activated it through VZW website through the account page. I called in and said I needed a nano SIM for a moto x that I would be receiving and never bought one and just activated it on my current non nano phone with adapter.
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Yeah, that's weird. Given other positive results, I tried that action last week in 3 different ways (i.e., over the phone with two different Reps, in a store and online) - I actually tried using 2 different phones (i.e., a different one that was previously under our account, in addition to my Galaxy S III) online - and the system specifically kicked me out due to SIM size incompatibility, which was the exact same symptom that the two phone Reps said they couldn't get around, in my case. Even when I mentioned using a SIM holder that made it compatible with the phone, the live Reps wouldn't give me a break.
I wonder if my phone+SIM combinations were simply triggering events in their system vs other combination, or if they became more strict since a certain point in time.
I'm satisfied to have it working now, albeit after having to use a nano SIM compatible phone, and seeing a message in my account that Verizon doesn't recognize my Nexus 6. Just a minor "screw them" for the moderate hassle I went through.
- ooofest
When I received my nexus, I went to my local Verizon store and asked them for a nano sim. They happily went back and got one for me free of charge. They tried to activate it for me but were unable to since the phone was not recognized. They told me to call Verizon and activate it over the phone. Instead of calling, I did a live chat through the website and asked the agent to activate the sim for me. They did and took all of 5 minutes to complete.
Took a phone call...
Just like SFG, I was told buy a sales rep to call customer support. One of the host ladies (not a sales rep) in the store told me wouldnt work regardless since it wasn't a Verizon-branded phone. Well had to get ahold of tech support, and they did in about 10 minuets. The Verizon reps at my store know nothing, so I wasn't surprised they gave me a hard time.