>-----> Comparison: Z1 vs Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video (Spoiler: one of them lags)
Here's a video comparison showing both Xperia Z1 and Galaxy Note 3 playing a heavy 4K video.
http://youtu.be/fwn8cgWpTnc
Why is it lagging so bad? (I mean, the other one, compare the butterfly wings for example)
Thoughts?
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S800 cant handle the sammy bloatwares. Anyway old.
Good Luck recording 4K videos then haha
when I had XZU I played a few sample 4k videos and they play flawlessly
dang the color difference is just so far apart. XZ1 FTW
Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone
krabappel2548 said:
Take that Samsung! Screen of Z1 also is way better, ZU also has great screen like the Z1 and plays things better then Note 3 with less rom
Samsung big fail with 3GB ram etc and still a crappy phone
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Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
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OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
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Have you ever overclocked a Kernel?
And yes it is very significant... to Samsung's marketing dept.
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OMG Overclocking by 0.1GHz is so significant!
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They probably still do the same benchmark cheating like they had, especially when they actually admitted it and said they did nothing wrong. I always wonder why Touchwiz is laggier than others with the same/similar SoC and yet it always top on benchmark. That was why.
the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just threw me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????
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the last few posts on this thread mean nothing to me, I have seen benchmark scores from Z1 that are better than a higher clocked device - does it really matter ?
what's the phone recently that has a rear end stitched on - what were they thinking, that just through me completely - I can't say more because I am totally blown away - who decided that a modern device looked cool with the back panel stitched on ???????
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wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.
gtrab said:
Curiously enough, when Samsung learned Sony was getting the same SoC as their newest flagship and Sony was shipping it earlier, they ordered Qualcomm to "slightly overclock" their SoCs in order to keep the king-of-the-hill position, but as you know for sure overclocking is not always easy and not always a good idea. I'm dying to see a battery life comparo between those two beasts.
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It's not "slightly overclocked", it's just another variant of the chip...
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wtf are you talking about....Note 3 has changeable back plate anyway.
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http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3
Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
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http://www.imore.com/samsung-picks-faux-stitched-leather-and-slaps-it-back-galaxy-note-3
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Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
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Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
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So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
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So apparently, there's this Samsung fanboy, running here to give the Note 3 protection and unnecessary details like how Note 3's SOC is superior. Seriously?
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Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.
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Damn some people in here have no clue what they are talking about.
The s800 supports 4k video fine the note 3 dropping frames is a firmware problem not hardware and will be fixed with an update.
The s800 in the note 3 is also superior to the one in the Z1, its not overclocked its called a higher bin soc. The s800 in the z1 has a max gpu clock of 450mhz the one in the note 3 has a max gpu clock of 550mhz.
Its a faux stitching. The back is plastic and is removable
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Major problem in all samsung Device ia touchwiz, samsung always have good devices in hardware.
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le_lutin said:
Someone said the Note 3's SoC was overclocked. He's simply saying it isn't.
I fail to see the fanboyism.
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I agree, it wasn't fanboyism. Although it was wrong as far as I can tell, I find no record of any phone other than the Xiaomi MiPhone3 that is shipping with the MSM8974AB, which has the higher clocked GPU. Everything I can find points to the GNote 3 shipping with the same MSM8974 CPU as the Sony Xperia Z1.
The screen is only good in the Gallery App, when playing games IPS and Amoled emits better colour or doesn't look as dull. Of course you won't notice this until you put them side by side. I mean the Xperia Z1 screen is beautiful but Sony should really just use the same colour calibration on the gallery app through out the whole system.
Related
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined
According to anandtech there are two different camera sensors being used just like other manufacturers and it makes sense that some are experiencing the color issue and there are two different firmware updates
(I don't have the pink hue issue and i wonder which one i have)
Awesome review. This proves my feeling: SGSII audio quality overall is crap. I am very dissapointed with Galaxy Audio performance. Well, will see what the Samsung Galaxy Note will do.
Very good review
carlitos66 said:
Awesome review. This proves my feeling: SGSII audio quality overall is crap. I am very dissapointed with Galaxy Audio performance. Well, will see what the Samsung Galaxy Note will do.
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Now you know why I have Cowon J3 as my mp3 player.
I still have Galaxy S with Voodoo though.
The review says, the lte version of s2 is using different display controller, there is a possiblity for the lte version not to have yellow tint.
amazingly detailed review! i especially loved the excurse into GPU rendering technologies.
Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
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Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
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What?
They said the Mali-400 is the best GPU in any Cellphone right now
Their review definitively proves the SGS II is the best phone currently available. Droid 3 and EVO 3D users may feel butt hurt after going through their benchmark reviews.
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Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
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Hardly, power vr had some of the best theoretical benchmarks, but not in the real world.
It was a great in depth review.
Also Tegra 2 lacks the arm neon SIMD.
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I was expecting from Anandtech to cover the gradient banding issue. Professionally, like they do usually. But they didnt even mention that
Pity he just dismissed the AOS bug just simply like that.
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I was expecting from Anandtech to cover the gradient banding issue. Professionally, like they do usually. But they didnt even mention that
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radier said:
Tegra 2 owned by a wide margin.
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Maybe I'm reading this comment wrong, but I think what this guy is saying is that the Exynos owned Tegra 2 by a lot.
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The review says, the lte version of s2 is using different display controller, there is a possiblity for the lte version not to have yellow tint.
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do you know how to check the tint? do all SGS2 have it? just got my phone on saturday havent noticed any tints so far...
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Maybe I'm reading this comment wrong, but I think what this guy is saying is that the Exynos owned Tegra 2 by a lot.
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I agree with your assumption.
On another note, the review didn't conclude with the audio being "crap", but that it had it's flaws. I have read the original thread by supercurio concerning the audio, and I understand (and hear) that the yamaha chip is an underachiever, but it's still the best sounding smartphone i have owned. Unfortunatly it's not as high end as we'd like it to be (and i understand coming from the original SGS it has to be quite the disappointment) but it doesn't suck either. Samsung has probably learned from this (i hope) and the next SGS iterations has this sorted.
I just hope i don't break this one as fast as I did my HD2. Touch wood.
A little disappointed by the audio in that review. Sad to see that they couldn't even match the iPhone 4 (which I came from). That being said, I am not listening to the device on $100+ headphones ($50-70 range) and it sounds good for what I need it. I got my better quality audio gear on my PC.
Awesome review.
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do you know how to check the tint? do all SGS2 have it? just got my phone on saturday havent noticed any tints so far...
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goto 1st page of this thread. you will find the test web page to find out whether u have yellow tint or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079444
I definitely do not have the yellow tint issue, never have. As for the colour banding/gradients, I have had this on HTC Desire and Xperia X10, so do not see this as an issue.
I think the sound is fine on this phone. It enables me to listen to music on the bus to work with good quality (through poweramp), and sounds better than any ipod i've ever used, but then I guess thats personal opinion.
/not an audiophile or picky git lol
Adreno 220 faster than Mali-400 but it is have many futures locked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Isn't that a test unit though? Plus benchmarks don't really mean that much, it's the actual user experience which is important I think
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Isn't that a test unit though?
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What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:
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What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:
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I see what you mean, the actual production devices could ship with different software I don't know? I agree about the battery though we'll just have to wait for a full review I guess
Engadget got the ZL at 13,589
It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.
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It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.
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The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.
The ION has the best display. Take a look at the thread in the Xperia T forums that compares the ION, T, and S in terms of display.
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The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.
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I never said anything about oversaturation being better. You are making assumptions that I prefer the blown out colors of AMOLED or the extra warmth of the SuperLCD. I mentioned the LG display looks better than the Sony one, and it is even LESS saturated than the Sony display. The point is Sony does not have a single IPS display on their phones. It is 100% agreed upon that IPS is the pinnacle of LCD technology and has been for years. Professional monitors from NEC, Dell, and HP use IPS panels. The colors and contrast do not shift when viewing off axis, and that is important for an even image, even when looking dead on. LG and HTC have been putting IPS displays on their phones for years now. Sony has no excuse. If you live in a bubble of Sony phones and never look at any other smartphone, I'm sure the display looks great. But there are plenty of reviews stating the obvious. The poor viewing angles are becoming increasingly unacceptable in a premium smartphone. The flaws are even more apparent on a small mobile display that you move around and use at different angles. It's not some nice monitor you prop in front of your desk and sit perfectly in front of.
Still way prettier and with far better UI than TouchWiz.
scores slower because of the Full HD screen
Final results are close to 20.000 in AnTuTu...
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its a prototype so definitely the software isnt optimized yet, wait for the final release and then start whining.
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scores slower because of the Full HD screen
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That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.
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That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.
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I've seen droid DNA got 19k in antutu with that resolution..
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Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.
About what I expected and not low at all for a stock device. You have to keep in mind most of the top scores on Antutu are with custom kernels and roms. As for battery I am not worried about it as it has not really been a issue with the newer Sony stuff.
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Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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Agreed. And I'll be hiding the on screen buttons completely, and using gestures instead, meaning that I get the complete 5" !!
Very glad Sony did this, was waiting for someone to stop making redundant buttons.
Now if only they actually gave it a removable battery, then I'd be sold 100% (mostly talking about the ZL, I can understand the Z)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
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Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Ummm I should point out the S3 gets around the 9000 range in Antutu and the Nexus 4 which runs the same processor as the Z gets around 16,000 which about in line with that benchmark so... wtf are you talking about. Also *GASP* a phone lose battery while doing intensive benchmarks I am soooo shocked. Obvious troll post.
Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?
Trying it out in-store I found it juddered a bit scrolling in Polaris Office. Otherwise it seemed very smooth. But then again I found the XZ smooth too.
Isn't the Z on S4 pro?
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Isn't the Z on S4 pro?
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It is. Faster CPU but same GPU.
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itsmemuffins said:
Isn't the Z on S4 pro?
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Yes, but they share the same GPU.
any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.
I know exactly what you are talking about, had Z for 2 days and was very disappointed. I agree that lags are caused by poor optimization done by sony, expecially sony's own launcher. After I switched to Nova Launcher, things were a lot better.
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any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.
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I don't know about yours, but I don't think mine is 100% buttery smooth. Minimum apps installed (maybe like 6-7?) and widgets on home screen, but scrolling through apps/widgets drawer still seems a "little" bit from perfect.
do u mean when scrolling in the app draw and noticing a quick jitter as you scroll from the final page of apps to the first widget page?
if so, i get that, that i accostum to being a coding glitch simply because everything else is completely smooth. I had the same on my galaxy nexus too.
mark99uk said:
any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.
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Nexus 4 is 720 p whereas these phones are 1080p which has to push more than twice the amount of pixels.
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I know exactly what you are talking about, had Z for 2 days and was very disappointed. I agree that lags are caused by poor optimization done by sony, expecially sony's own launcher. After I switched to Nova Launcher, things were a lot better.
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Not for me dude its maybe like 20% better? Still terrible and im hoping this phone would be better.
The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.
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Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?
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Different CPU do help in different performance even though both same GPU. I was suprise when seen people mention Xperia Z was lagging, I seen everywhere people mention it. I never own any Sony (/SE) android phone as it always never meet my requirement in certain part especially the screen. But I am really surprise Xperia Z could lag! HTC Butterfly was completely same CPU + GPU, I test it before, it run perfectly smooth.
Xperia Z - Snapdragon S4 Pro
One - Snapdragon S600
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The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.
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Yea man im gutted welp guess the gs4 with its octa cpu have a chance.
used the htc one in store and it didnt lag a bit, even through blinkfeed which i would imagine is one of the most heavy of applications.
Hopefully the sony is just a bit of poorly written software and either sony or the devs can fix.
Still i think it will make a lot of peoples choice between the sony and htc very easy!
I had a play around with the Z a couple of weeks ago in a 3 store and found the pinch and zoom gestures very how can I say intermittent to say the least, it was fine scrolling left and right but any gestures took at least 2 or 3 attempts and on a flagship phone that is totally crap.
Best bet like another poster said is to put on a 3rd party launcher until sony fix the issue.
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The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.
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+1 mate, really have no idea what the folks are doing at Google...
Stock android on my s3 lags when I have a few things running...seriously these CPUs are starting to reach speeds of my desktop PC....and I wonder why I can't make a day without recharging lol
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My gs3 lag with touchwiz i use temask rom now, its very good. Because of this i Dont buy the gs4. I give a chance tô HTC.
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+1 mate, really have no idea what the folks are doing at Google...
Stock android on my s3 lags when I have a few things running...seriously these CPUs are starting to reach speeds of my desktop PC....and I wonder why I can't make a day without recharging lol
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That's because you have a horrible exynos SoC in your phone, which is all but impossible to dev for. This is the fault of Samsung alone...
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Fasty12 said:
Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?
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HTC One X with Tegra 3 and stock JB firmware, UI is locked 60fps
Droid DNA with Snapdragon 4 pro and stock JB firmware, UI is locked 60fps
HTC One is using a faster version of the DNA and Z processors, same but more optimized GPU and much lighter Sense UI, all reviewers noted the UI is liquid smooth and brisk
Since JB HTC's UI has been locked 60fps in 90% of the OS areas, they've implemented google's project butter in full fashion
Sony Xperia Z2 (C770X). The phone is code named Avatar and is equipped with a 5.2 inch IGZO Triluminuous Display with a 506ppi pixel density. If true, this would top the current industry leader, which is the 468ppi on the 4.7 inch HTC One. The silicon inside the phone would be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 Chipset and a multitasker's wet dream, 3GB of RAM, would be on board.
The 20.7MP rear-facing camera would support 4K video capture and a 3200mAh cell would keep the lights on. and Xenon Flash. And the Sony Xperia Z2 would give you a break as it said to run on Android 4.4 Kit Kat. Expect the new model to be on display at CES 2014 where it will have some pretty big shoes to fill. AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE ON APRIL
I think we need to slow down a little bit
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I think we need to slow down a little bit
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Sony will update their flagship every 6 months... If you want you have to buy it now. anyway processor is not updating.. ram will benefit only for multitasking. only display is updating. with that ppi it will be 2k display.. it means performance will be halved... i think it will be just some fake news with little truth
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I think we need to slow down a little bit
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I saw an article on the iPhone 8z...
jos_031 said:
Sony Xperia Z2 (C770X). The phone is code named Avatar and is equipped with a 5.2 inch IGZO Triluminuous Display with a 500ppi pixel density. If true, this would top the current industry leader, which is the 468ppi on the 4.7 inch HTC One. The silicon inside the phone would be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 Chipset and a multitasker's wet dream, 3GB of RAM, would be on board.
The 20.7MP rear-facing camera would support 4K video capture and a 3200mAh cell would keep the lights on. And the Sony Xperia Z2 would give you a break as it said to run on Android 4.4 Kit Kat. Expect the new model to be on display at CES 2014 where it will have some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Fake rumor 100%
A site with no whereabouts published this rumor and all sites like phonearena and etc etc are spreading the rumor.
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Even if the rumour did turn out to be true the Z1 is still one hell of a phone and won't be lacking for performance for quite a while.
I thought Sony will be giving a more "Japanese-ish" device code name. Remember the Yuga - Togari - Honami?
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knightrazor said:
I thought Sony will be giving a more "Japanese-ish" device code name. Remember the Yuga - Togari - Honami?
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Avatar is japanese word i guess
jos_031 said:
Avatar is japanese word i guess
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Avatar is a Sanskrit word, meaning "Incarnation". Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages that has its origin in India.
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kmysore said:
Avatar is a Sanskrit word, meaning "Incarnation". Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages that has its origin in India.
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That is sanskrit meaning... but remember Avatar the air bender tv series.. it is not indian
This "rumor" seems to be no more than someone's wet spec dream. Moving on, nothing to see here.
As for the nomenclature: avatar is a hindu concept.
the rumour missed the OIS, IR blaster and 135gm weight of the Z2
Guess im going to have to get this phone... Its codenamed after me.
I cant believe these sites are posting these "leaks." Cough cough, phonearena. I can easily just submit a tip and make a educated guess on the specs.
Achieving 500 ppi would mean putting full HD resolution on roughly a 4.6inch screen, or on a 5.2inch screen you would have to bump up the resolution to something like 2560x1440 (these are rough figures... I haven't worked it out).
Apart from boasting about large numbers, the benefit of a slightly higher PPI would be negligible and certainly not noticeable to the human eye, and the extra processing power required would probably result in a noticeable performance loss (the higher resolution has almost double the number of pixels at 3.6m compared to 2.1m).
Also, IGZO tech hasn't even made it's way onto larger sized monitors on a large scale yet. The likelihood that it'll be good to go for Sony's next flagship is small.
Clearly whoever made these up is just dreaming and has no idea about the technology behind those specs.
If it really has an IGZO display I WILL get it. But we'll have to see about that. I haven't heard anything else about it so for now it feels like a pretty unbelievable rumor.
Why So Serious? said:
Achieving 500 ppi would mean putting full HD resolution on roughly a 4.6inch screen, or on a 5.2inch screen you would have to bump up the resolution to something like 2560x1440 (these are rough figures... I haven't worked it out).
Apart from boasting about large numbers, the benefit of a slightly higher PPI would be negligible and certainly not noticeable to the human eye, and the extra processing power required would probably result in a noticeable performance loss (the higher resolution has almost double the number of pixels at 3.6m compared to 2.1m).
Also, IGZO tech hasn't even made it's way onto larger sized monitors on a large scale yet. The likelihood that it'll be good to go for Sony's next flagship is small.
Clearly whoever made these up is just dreaming and has no idea about the technology behind those specs.
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Personally, I think, its possible for next year's september flagship to have such specs but not the Jan one at all! Also like you said, the specs are too much to expect in a short period of time... Definetly made up and I don't expect anything of this to materialise!
and here we go again!
the device isnt even available worldwide and rumors of next device start!
DooMLoRD said:
and here we go again!
the device isnt even available worldwide and rumors of next device start!
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And the cycle begins again.
This is so fake that I'll made a slogan:
The best of Sony got better. Again and again...
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.
Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
bachera said:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
mgolder said:
Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.
The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...
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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time
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And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.
lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....
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ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1