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If Nexus S (2?) has similar hardware to Galaxy S, is it easy to port 2.3?

Even though I have followed dev/porting for 8 months starting with HTC Touch, I have little knowledge of how it is actually done. So here's my question to the developers.
We all know that Nexus S (2?) will have Gingerbread 2.3. Looking at the rumored specs and model number, it seems that Nexus S is a slight upgrade from Galaxy S.
Assuming most of the hardware is identical to Galaxy S, how easy is it to port 2.3 to Epic 4G, once Galaxy S becomes available?
Specifically, what is needed to bake a new 2.3 rom? Do you need to reverse engineer like what devs did on HTC WM devices? Or is it a straight port? I suspect it's somewhere in between but want to hear from you.
(If necessary, please move this to android development forum.)

The simple answer to this (which has been answered in other threads already if you looked) is no its won't be easy.

Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.

muyoso said:
but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.

vansmack said:
I agree and think this is the bigger problem (for the Epic at least).
Sure would be nice if the folks at Google would release at one clean Google device for each carrier. I'd be on it in a heart beat.
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Yes that would be nice if they did that.I am surprised they are even doing another google phone by the way it sounded when they stopped marketing the nexus 1 that had no interest in doing another google branded phone.

muyoso said:
Also, the Nexus S is rumored and pretty much guaranteed to launch with a dual core processor. The rumor is that they delayed the device and gingerbread to implement this, since it will be google's new flagship device and has to be cutting edge. Everyone knows that dual core processors are set to hit the market within the first couple months of 2011 anyway, so releasing an old generation processor in a flagship google phone just makes no sense.
So no, it will not be easy to port from the Nexus S. It will not only have a completely different processor, but will also probably only be a GSM phone.
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Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.

LucJoe said:
Those are just rumors, all of the official specs that have come out say it will be a 1.2ghz hummingbird. The dual core 1ghz orion chip is definitely on the horizon but I highly doubt they will be able to get it in at the last minute, and there's a good chance we won't see it in phones until late next year. All rumors of a dual core Nexus S have had no credibility with their sources.
That said, if this turns out to be a dual core phone and gingerbread turns out to be optimized for dual cores, a port will probably be very difficult. But if it's just a 1.2ghz hummingbird then it would just be a matter of getting the CDMA radio working.
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The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.

muyoso said:
The reason that I think he has to have a dual core in it is as follows:
If it has a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, BFD. It immediately launches and is mediocre. Nothing exciting at all about it.
If it launches as the first dual core phone, it is the top of the line phone worthy of being branded as a Google flagship device.
Also, if it just had a 1.2 ghz hummingbird processor, what is the holdup? It is no different from phones released months ago. Also, if its a 1.2 Ghz processor, it will be eclipsed within a matter of a month or two performance wise by Tegra 2 and dual core snapdragon processors. Basically, it would be an embarassing flagship device. The original Nexus is still to this day a damn good phone that is near the top of the pack of android phones performance wise, and it is a year old.
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You are fully aware the the Tegra 2 do not even exceed the hummingbird in gpu or cpu performance right? Im just saying cause it would suck if you didn't know what you're talking about.
Plus gingerbread will have HW acceleration, putting gpu performance on a step for the overall fluidity of the gui. So again... what's faster?

Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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InfDaMarvel said:
Really? I assumed it would greatly ourperform. Where did u get your facts.
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I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%

apatcas said:
I'm trying to find the article again, but i know they were close but Tegra 2 did not outperform the hummingbird. Apparently now they optimized the platform more.
Don't get me wrong i love nvidia, that's all i've purchased and stayed with them even thou they still dont have a decent dx11 card that doesnt need 2 power supplies. But they really need to step up and their CEO needs to wattch what he says and deliver more.
Here's a quote "On the 3D side, Nvidia says it has doubled the performance of the initial Tegra, resulting in a peak speed of 90 million triangles per second. This level is well beyond the performance of any mobile processor shipping or even sampling today." Hummingbird has the same exact performance. And CPU performance is a very interesting area. Anyway the GPU performance is almost par with the Hummingbird leading maybe by 3-5%
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Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.

gTen said:
Since Tegra 2 is dual core and android does not have 2 core support till Gingerbread (Actually I don't think it even supports cortex A9 till gingerbread)..so if they ran 1 core vs 1 core I'd see a hummingbird win against a Tegra 2..but if Tegra 2 is running dual core (and optimized for it) it should win...but by that analogy Orion would then be superior.
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Not to mention that Tegra 2 does 1080P video recording. So yes, releasing a google flagship phone that within one month is eclipsed by LG with the first Tegra 2 phone, would be embarrassing. The Nexus 1 set the standard for almost a year, before the Galaxy S line came out. If the Nexus 2 can only set the standard for under a month, that would be stupid. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that the rumors of the Nexus S having a dual core are most likely true. Doesn't mean it has to be the Orion, but it would be awesome if it was.

Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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Electrofreak said:
Tegra 2 is a Cortex A9 CPU... as is the Samsung Orion and the TI OMAP4xxx chips. They accomplish 2.5 instructions per MHz as opposed to the 2 instructions per MHz in the Cortex A8 Hummingbird, and that's not counting improvements to instruction efficiency (getting more done with less instructions.) Add to that improvements such as out of order instruction handling and dual-channel memory support and Cortex A9 chips are head and shoulders above Cortex A8.
The only reason Tegra 2 wouldn't outperform Hummingbird significantly is, as mentioned, lack of dual-core support in current builds of Android, and the nVidia GPU which is, surprisingly, only just about on par with Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540.
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OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o

apatcas said:
OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.

apatcas said:
OK here's facts dudes. Tegra sucks... really please get it.
Tegra250 based Toshiba AC100 Running Neocore Benchmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJav9ns6b4o
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Here's the facts dude, and try to get this; Tegra2 does not, in fact, suck. You just posted a video of it being benchmarked on a netbook running Android 2.1 which cannot make full use of Tegra2's dual-core CPU. Secondly, neocore is a GPU test, not a CPU test. We already discussed the fact that the Tegra2 GPU is only just about on par with the SGX540. Thirdly, that test is being run at a signifcantly higher resolution than a mobile device would run, and frankly, considering this, the score isn't bad.
Fail, man, fail.
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sauron0101 said:
I'm not sure that triangles per second is accurate to describe performance.
Still, if you want an article:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
The Hummingbird has memory bandwidth limitations that I don't think the Tegra 250 will. Lets wait and see.
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I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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Electrofreak said:
I would also like to point out that I wrote the article that sauron0101 just linked. It's also posted on my blog (linked in my signature) posted back in March. Tegra2 does feature dual-channel memory support as part of the Cortex A9 architecture, which is a significant advantage.
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Any idea how fast the other Arm Cortex A9s are compared to the 250?
- We know that the SGX540 will be in the TI OMAP 4 series; probably not bandwidth limited - I am surprised that they did not opt for the SGX545
- The Samsung Orion series has Mail 400 (unknown performance)
- The Snapdragon (A8 unless Qualcomm opts to keep the name "Snapdragon for its A9 CPUs) will have a new generation of Adreno 300 graphics
Unknown if we will see this on mobile
- Marvell also has a new SOC
Also interesting is Samsung's Netbook roadmap, which uses the same SOCs on a phone:
Sorry if all of this is a bit off topic, but it is worth looking at what everyone has.
Edit: Qualcomm is keeping the Snapdragon name for the A9 processors.

Does no one see i was talking about Gpu perfomance? That's what's gonna matter in Gingerbread. And that's running 1024x600 on that res Galaxy tab is around 53 fps. It's the same thing that Vista started doing with HW accel so u understand.

Adreno 225 vs "New" Mali 400MP4

So I have been doing a lot of research looking for what will be better and I am guessing that the Mali 400 is going to out perform the Adreno 225. I wish android had a solid GPU test that would give something close to real world results. But if you take a look at these articles you will see on paper the Adreno is the same as the Apple 4S's Power VR543MP2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...mance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks/3
Now the International version will have the new Exynos 4 Quad (4412) Quad Core Cortex A9 but the US version is rumored to have a Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8960 with the Adreno 225.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
and here are some other benchmarks just to sum up the difference in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
The main thing I am worried about is GPU performance the CPUs in just about every phone out right not seem over kill. I want to make sure the phone I buy will be able to run FPSE(Playstation Emulator) and N64oid(N64 Emulator) smooth. FPSE now has an Open GL plugin that needs a hard core GPU to run well. My Galaxy nexus is just not cutting it anymore.

So............... get the international version.

cmd512 said:
So............... get the international version.
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LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.

Zzim said:
LTE Speed vs 3G Speed = not worth it.
Don't get me wrong I want a phone with a power house GPU but if the mobile connection is slow its just not worth it. I'm on Verizon and I don't want to move away from their LTE.
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I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.

cmd512 said:
I hear ya, LTE is blazing fast. But on my unbranded SGS2, I get downloads of up to 7.5Mbps, pay $10 a month for unlimited HSPA+ data w/ tethering, and everything is plenty fast for what I do on my phone. So, while LTE is tempting for sure, still doesn't outweigh the other benefits.
Now, if I ever need my phone to seed torrents or something, I'll have to look at LTE then... hah.
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Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?

How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks

bala_gamer said:
@ Op
did you see the date of the article regarding "Mobile SoC GPU Comparison" ? its dated february and they are comparing with the sgs2 mali 400 gpu not the one in sgs3. the new mali gpu is already beating all the current lineup of many gpus in many becnhmarks
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The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
That article also show that the GS2(Mali400) and the GS3(Mali400MP4) are different in some way.

Zzim said:
Are you with ATT because I can get a line through my work for 20 a month unlimited everything. 7.5 would be enough speed to make me switch and how consistent are these speeds?
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At work (average congestion), it's consistently 7Mbps+. In areas of great congestion (the mall, etc), it does slow down, but again, for work E-mails, surfing the web, youtube, etc, I've never had issues. Of course, I'm in Austin, TX as well, and I've heard HSPA+ speeds are very much region specific.
If you can get a line through from work with unlimited everything, they may be able to get you onto the smartphone data plan tier, which some folks have gotten up to 10-11+Mpbs. I'm on the $10 a month unlimited non-smartphone plan, so I think AT&T caps it at around 7.5-8Mpbs. Still though, plenty fast for what I do with my phone.
(And, the unlimited tethering is a blessing when you're in airports and stuff. Our US airports blow as there is almost never free WIFI.)

Zzim said:
The other articles were just to show the performance of the 225 this article shows how the new Mali will run http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview
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the scorecharts does shows the new mali400 topping the chart with good margin. what else do you need from a gpu ?

The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.

dude have you seen those scores ? it beats the 4s graphics which we cant deny has a great gpu...
this is more than just an overclocked mali400 ... it may still be a mali400/mp4 but its not just overclocked its remade and has much higher clocks by the look of it
also im not sure about it coming with the s4 pro with adreno 320... i heard its not ready till end of year at earliest.. the mali-400 was the best android gpu and now its the best mobile gpu out atm

^^
u are right its not only just overclocked,there are some changes in the hardware part which we will know eventually in the upcoming days. i can easily OC my sgs2 mali400 to 400mhz, but you people know it wont give the same result as sgs3 which has much more pixels than s2

urmothersluvr said:
How could the just give the us version a dual core? That makes the phone a very slight upgrade to the s2
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More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.

Daemos said:
More cores doesn't = faster...
Look at AMD's bulldozer CPU with 8 cores vs Intel's core i5 with 4 cores...the i5 is faster in basically almost everything except for very specalized applications.
Faster cores > more cores.
The LTE dual core version of the SGS3 will use Krait S4 cores which are faster than A9 Exynos cores.
I wished Samsung did dual core A15s instead of Quad Core A9s.
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Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos

ph00ny said:
Let's be clear on this
CPU vs CPU
Dual core S4 is not quicker than Quad Core Exynos
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Hmmm I don't know about that...

Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
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I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos 4412 was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful than last year's model. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Gene_Bailey said:
I for one certainly do. The Exynos 4412 uses a 32nm fab process as opposed to nearly every other A9 architecture based processor (like the 4+1 T3) and High K metal gate tech which basically means twice the processing power of the Exynos 4410 dual core with about 20% less power consumption and that's on a core against core basis. The 4410 was used in the Galaxy S II. So even if the Exynos was dual core, it's already natively 20% more battery efficient and twice as powerful. Clearly we're talking about a lot more than just quad vs dual and 28nm vs 32 or 40. There is a LOT that has gone into the design of the Exynos. For instance keeping it the same size physically as the dual core model, or accepting 128 bit instructions rather than the paltry 64 bit instructions most other mobile processors are limited to.
Trust me, do your research, a Google search of Exynos 4412 brought up instant results that detail what a beast this chip set is.
Like these:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn...re-processor-in-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S3_id29615
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...nos-to-appear-in-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id29494
And of course the official press release. Read through this and then the benchmarks you pointed out in the OP (I'm linking em anyway) Anandtech's benchmark tests were performed on demo units on display to handled and groped by hundreds of people. There's no telling how many people had used it before they bench marked it and no telling if they were able to do it clean (reboot device, no other apps running). If not than they tested it after some fairly heavy use and it still proved itself a beast.
http://phandroid.com/2012/04/25/sam...ynos-4-quad-for-their-next-generation-galaxy/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Research is your best friend. If you're looking for the most powerful CPU and GPU on a phone right now, this is it. And when the devs get a hold of it, it will become even better and will really be utilized to its full.
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Zzim said:
Hmmm I don't know about that...
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Outside of floating point tests such as linpack, CPU benches will even have quad core tegra3 well ahead of the dual core S4
Quadrant, Antutu, etc will all show the same exact same performance gap and it's a big one
Let's get this straight
Main selling points for Dual Core S4 setup = battery life from 28nm die size and integrated LTE

Spartoi said:
The SGS3's Mali-400 is just overclocked.
Anyways, if the US SGS3 comes with the S4 Pro (which has the new Adreno 320) then the difference in GPU will probably be minor.
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you are wrong,mali 400mp4 is a quad core gpu while mali 400 is a dual core gpu.
I want to see mali 400mp4 against sgs543mp4

2 GB RAM Galaxy S III variant down the line?

Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?

megagodx said:
Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?
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There is no doubt about that.If you remember Galaxy Note marketing strategy,Galaxy Note 2 to be expected to be announce very soon will be their new flagship,note 10.1 tablet benchmarks clearly shows better GPU Mali 600(5 times as powerful as the Mali 400 use in galaxy sIII),just imagine 5 times,there is no doubt that Note 2 will be launching with the same hardware.Note 2 is their next flagship(expected to be announced shortly).As for LG they are ready with A15 krait quad core with adreno 320 and is officially the most powerful smartphone out there,enough to put all these A9 quad core to shame(remember what dual core A15 did to quad A9,Tegra).Now it's up to you which flagship you want,as in android unfortunately every week will have a new flagship,specs and size going higher and higher.

Again, Krait is no A15, but QCOM's own design, with pipeline lengths and OoE somewhere in between of A9 and A15 (stock ARM designs). Then again Exynos is not stock A9 design, but optimized by Samsung.
So, we don't know till we taste the pudding.
Also, the timeframe for Note 2 (or whatever it will be called) announcement is somewhere in October and shipping probably in late November or early December.
That's a long ways away

vasra said:
Again, Krait is no A15, but QCOM's own design, with pipeline lengths and OoE somewhere in between of A9 and A15 (stock ARM designs). Then again Exynos is not stock A9 design, but optimized by Samsung.
So, we don't know till we taste the pudding.
Also, the timeframe for Note 2 (or whatever it will be called) announcement is somewhere in October and shipping probably in late November or early December.
That's a long ways away
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How is that a long way,a flagship in July to be replaced by another flagship in October that's like 4months of flagship

megagodx said:
Knowing Samsung's reputation for preducing the best Android smart phones and probably the best smart phones period for the period of their release, and how adamant they are about staying above the competition (Note: HTC One X), do you think we'll see one?
With LG producing the first ever smartphone with 2 GBs of RAM (double the average competitors software), therefore dethrowning them as the defacto best Android phone makers, and with newer hardware being utilized by Samsung's biggest rivals, Apple and their latest iPhone; do you foreseably see a rendition of the Samsung flagship phone before the year is up?
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competition is bigger , market will be changing every now and then. A 2 gb of ram dosent dethrow anything, eventhough 2gb sounds nice practically its of no use. Every flagship will be at their top for atleast a year as per their specs, you can expect the same for galaxy s3, its the best around now. If you need a bigger screen then go for Note or wait for Note 2.(assuming note2 wont have any significant changes)
Yes there are always next generation(exynos 5 series,quad core krait) waiting to demolish all the current lineups like s3,hox,etc etc but it wont happen for atleast a year. this will be the same in the feature but with the reduced time gap

The SGS3 in Japan actually has 2GB RAM.
http://www.samsung.com/jp/galaxys3/index.html?pid=jp_home_thelatest_main_galaxys3_20120515
It uses S4 instead of Exynos.
It's like a totally different phone with the name of SSG3 (in terms of hardware).
BTW guys, recent "leak" by Nordichardware suggests that Note 10.1 will have a Exynos Quad using Mali-T604.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...th-mali-604t-gpu-crushes-the-competitors.html

rd_nest said:
The SGS3 in Japan actually has 2GB RAM.
http://www.samsung.com/jp/galaxys3/index.html?pid=jp_home_thelatest_main_galaxys3_20120515
It uses S4 instead of Exynos.
It's like a totally different phone with the name of SSG3 (in terms of hardware).
BTW guys, recent "leak" by Nordichardware suggests that Note 10.1 will have a Exynos Quad using Mali-T604.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...th-mali-604t-gpu-crushes-the-competitors.html
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mali t604 packed with exynos 4412 a9 design?? i dont think its possible......

bala_gamer said:
mali t604 packed with exynos 4412 a9 design?? i dont think its possible......
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@ rd_nest
it shows a dual core mali 400 mp for 2012-2013 , but we already have a quad core mali 400... ? the graph is interesting though

android_master said:
There is no doubt about that.If you remember Galaxy Note marketing strategy,Galaxy Note 2 to be expected to be announce very soon will be their new flagship,note 10.1 tablet benchmarks clearly shows better GPU Mali 600(5 times as powerful as the Mali 400 use in galaxy sIII),just imagine 5 times,there is no doubt that Note 2 will be launching with the same hardware.Note 2 is their next flagship(expected to be announced shortly).As for LG they are ready with A15 krait quad core with adreno 320 and is officially the most powerful smartphone out there,enough to put all these A9 quad core to shame(remember what dual core A15 did to quad A9,Tegra).Now it's up to you which flagship you want,as in android unfortunately every week will have a new flagship,specs and size going higher and higher.
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Did you ever take in consideration that that might be a rumor? Or the over hype factor like what happen with the SGS3?
-1080P Screen
-1.5 ghz quad core
-12 mp camera
-2gb ram
Remember all that? I mean it's believable because LG is late tot eh party, but lets not forget that the S4 Pro hasn't even been found in a device and you think they're going to skip over that?
If it's true, I just want to believe it when I see clear and concrete evidence.

bala_gamer said:
@ rd_nest
it shows a dual core mali 400 mp for 2012-2013 , but we already have a quad core mali 400... ? the graph is interesting though
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Yea, this graph is representative of the ARM portfolio. That dual-core Mali (year 2012-2013) was projected for a device in the entry-mid range level. If some company releases a phone in the entry level with Mali400 MP2, I think it's quite acceptable in 2012.

Samsung announces Exynos 5 Octa, an A15 and A7 hybrid SoC

Samsung's most exiting announcement yet - the Exynos 5 Octa chipset.:laugh:
It brings 8 processor cores, which distribute the work load among each other.
Four Cortex-A15 cores ensure incredible performance while the other four are low-power Cortex-A7s that kick in for the less demanding tasks and save battery power.
The chipset is based on ARM's big.LITTLE tech, which ensures that you will always get enough performance without having to deal with terrible battery life.
Samsung promises up to 70% lower power consumption compared to the Exynos 5 Dual, which is powering the Google Nexus 10 tablet and the latest Chromebook by Samsung.
The Exynos 5 Octa could posses as much as twice the 3D rendering prowess of the Exynos 4 Quad, which is found in the Galaxy S III. :good:
Will this end to Samsung S4?

Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?

_delice_doluca_ said:
So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?
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I think the main idea about this chip is the low power consumption.
Tegra used single companion core but Samsung uses 4 companion core-like.
Samsung is crazy they may add it in S4, besides they are the manufactures.

XeactorZ said:
Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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Exynos 5, maybe. But the Chip are the same with Exynos 5 but with just addition of little cores. Im i right?

XeactorZ said:
Hard to say, normally use exynos 5 quad since no device using it yet
Yet, the other 4 core should use cortex a9
Then totally is a beast already
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Agree. A7 cores may provide good battery life but i guess performance will not be up to the mark. But then there's 4 a15 cores, a heck of performance
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All that announcement sounds great, but how to cool it down when reaching high clocks and high temperatures? Isn't this Biglittle chip more suitable in a bigger body , Chromebook, tablet, rather than in a phone? I understand the swapping on the fly between the lower and higher cores, but the heat question is not answered for me. Can somebody with better knowledge enlighten me?

Aur3L said:
All that announcement sounds great, but how to cool it down when reaching high clocks and high temperatures? Isn't this Biglittle chip more suitable in a bigger body , Chromebook, tablet, rather than in a phone? I understand the swapping on the fly between the lower and higher cores, but the heat question is not answered for me. Can somebody with better knowledge enlighten me?
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Some rumours suggest that they'll use the 8 core in tablets and chrome books, and that the S4 may have a 4 core version with 2 A15's and 2 A7's. Just a rumour but heat and volts will be a lot lower with 4 less cores. I have no idea how dual A15's are in terms of perfomance, haven't checked other phones benchmarks in ages

Just need to announce the most expected product: exynos sources
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_delice_doluca_ said:
So? What is it that a single A15 core can not do but 4 A7 cores can? Low expected performance or low power consumption?
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You must look at this as the current Intel laptops who have I3,5,7 processors.
When you are browsing the web the onboard videpchip is doing all the rendering. But when you Start up for example FarCry the onboard chip gets overloaded and the graphics card takes over the duty. Power when you need it, to save power.
Another example :
When the V-TEC kicks in yo !
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The reason for the A15 and A7 is that the A7 will handle simple tasks and minimal multitasking but when pressure is placed on the CPU it will switch to the A15 to easily handle it then back to A7 when the power of the A15 is not needed aka BIG little tech which means the perfect balance between performance and battery life
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marcellocord said:
Just need to announce the most expected product: exynos sources
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1+ mate

DramatikBeats said:
Some rumours suggest that they'll use the 8 core in tablets and chrome books, and that the S4 may have a 4 core version with 2 A15's and 2 A7's. Just a rumour but heat and volts will be a lot lower with 4 less cores. I have no idea how dual A15's are in terms of perfomance, haven't checked other phones benchmarks in ages
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If they switch to Dual A15 and Dual A7's then Sony Z will take over in performance and will be the number one choice.
If S4 gonna have Big Small 8core its gonna Rock and will have unbeatable performance.
About the temp, when on 3G and browsing i guess it will be on A7 so temperatures is expected to be low.
Do you know most of the time S3 uses dual core and the rest are off and sometimes single core only!!

Note III will have plenty of space to include this monster of a chip. Looking at all the 5"+ devices at CES, the S IV will also be big enough for it (and also with enough room to dissipate all the heat).

Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !

demlasjr said:
Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !
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Exynos octa is a exynos 5 quad with a A7 cpu

demlasjr said:
Guys, just think, if you check on wikipedia, there is no Exynos 5 quad and I don’t think they will release any after the OCTA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)
As everywhere is said, the exynos 5 quad will be just a murder for a battery, so I’m sure they will use OCTA in S4. Come on Samsung, we want S4 with OCTA !
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Wikipedia is written by users, not companies.
There is a Exynos 5 Quad and they announced it in their smart TV's and that expansion module for upgrading for > 2012 models. It's running at 1.3GHz.
We know there's a 5410 (As shown during the Octa presentation at CES) and a 5440, as disclosed in the Linux upstream kernel.

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Do you have the thread link on PCInLife? Edit: Found it but attachments are registered only and I can't get passed the Chinese catpcha.
Anyway, those slides are great. It supports all use-case models so basically the possibilities are limitless on the side of the kernel and power management. Only thing I wonder now is if the two clusters are on separate frequency planes.

I think it's come from here : http://we.pcinlife.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2038663&extra=&ordertype=1&threads=thread&mobile=yes
But i'm not sure because i don't speak chinese. I found it on Anandtech's forum.
Edit : Sorry, i'm a little late.

BB AMOLED and Exynos :(

Sad news...
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
We also know more about the build and dimensions of the device. According to our insider the dimensions of the device are 140.1 x 71.8 x 7.7mm and the weight is 138 gram, the new Galaxy S IV will use a home button and will have touch buttons. If you look at the photo below you will see that it will be square formed again, so they dropped the Galaxy SIII design line. He also said the sides are made from aluminium but the back is still plastic which automatic hints to a removable battery which is good to know.
Yesterday we already found out that the Galaxy S IV will have a 13 megapixel camera. Some leaked photos created by the Galaxy S IV showed up to confirm that.
If our insider is right again this is a bad sign for all the EXYNOS and AMOLED freaks out there. Below a list of the confirmed specifications through us right under the specification list you will see the boot screen photo.
- 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display
- Snapdragon 600 1.9 Ghz
- 2 GB RAM
- 16, 32 or 64 GB
- 13 Megapixel
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- 138 gram
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http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Sad news? This is great news if it's true!

AW: BB AMOLED and Exynos
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
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So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame

Glebun said:
So no octa - core discussed earlier? shame
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Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..

harise100 said:
No Exynos isn't that bad.
No AMOLED would be disappointing.
SD card, removable battery and a menu key makes it still top on my list.
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No octa - disappointing because no power saving
But if it was supposed to be Eynos Quad A15 - dont care, Snapdragon is good too
Meemo23 said:
Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
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Exynos octa is 4xA15 + ultra power saving 4xA7

Meemo23 said:
Why do you even need 6 cores. Currently no app is using 4 cores anyway. It is a waste of time and money to have 6 core processor on a phone..
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Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.

delsus said:
Exynos 5 Octa uses I think it was 4 low power cores and 4 high speed cores, so it's not a battery drain for low end tasks. (Octa = 8)
I will wait for official word on this, I can't see Samsung announcing the Octa this year, then not using it, it gives competitors a chance to trump it.
If they do use the snapdragon 600 it will be good because whist yes the Exynos is a good processor Samsung will not release decent documentation for it, so developers have a hard time getting AOSP roms working efficiantly, the Snapdragon range is completely open source so roms will work a lot better, and be easier to port. Exynos has already made developers leave Samsung devices.
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Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?

#fake #fail

samydroid said:
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
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Possibly but less likely with them using Exynos in the i9305 showing they can make it work (im not too sure the exact reason for not using Exynos in the US variants)
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Sv: BB AMOLED and Exynos
Makes me wanna sell my S3...
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WOW GS4 with Amoled plus @1080p with Exynos Octa and 3GB of ram with 128GB memory
LMAO

samydroid said:
Or may be, just like S3, the Snapdragon will be for LTE and Exynos for non-LTE S4s?
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doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
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HandsomeAssDomo said:
doubt that, since they got LTE and exynos working together finally. but the snapdragon seems like a give and take situation. that octa looks like it'll be an amazing processor, but if it's a snapdragon then we can finally get AOSP working fine.
as for the LCD, that's gonna be a personal preference for everyone. I wouldn't mind either, but I'd miss the blacks on the LED. the color punch is really nothing, I set my display to natural.
but really, do we even need the octa now? these phones we have now are over powered. I run my note ii at 1ghz with 1 core enabled and notice no differences in day to day use (except video chatting, that requires at least two cores lol) . point is, these quad cores (by today's standards) are just too much, and kinda gimmicky. I don't think we'll need to see the octa for a good year or two.
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Samsung have announced the Octa now, it won't be long before other chip manufacturers try to beat it, then Samsung's great idea will be old tech before it comes out. They have no choice but to put it in something if they want to make any use of it.

Btw we will get more details from Samsung on mwc starting tomorrow. Ill believe this only if it comes from Samsung. Whatever the processor or screen it has already been decided and s4 shoukd be in mass production right now.
《posted from s3》

I think that's nt true. Because making a SS on PS and open up that image on a phone and taking a photo in bad light conditions isn't too hard.
Actually, I think that phone is Xperia Z or LG Optimus and photo taken with a S3...
Next Galaxy S device(international version) will have Exynos Octa(5440 or 5410) or Dual(5250) with 5" FULL HD Super AMOLED Display. Why Samsung use another solution? I don't know any logical reason. Warming? Power consumption? Software based reasons? I don't think so. This is my two cents.
On the other hand, I think(I know, I used a lot -I Think-s)next Galaxy S device will have Exynos Octa, 2GB of ram, Mali T604 or T658 GPU, better camera lens(S3's sensor is good but lens is a bit deficient.), 2600mAh battery and also more durable chasis and screen. On software, Samsung will do wonders...
Edit: If I had gramatical mistakes, I want to say I'm sorry for that. Because Eng. is my 3rd language.

You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||

I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?

ch0ka said:
You obviously seem to have very little knowledge concerning technical product design. If it' physically impossible at the moment to manage the heating problems in this case, then in fact THIS IS a reason to kick the Octa processor for a Snapdragon...
|| Typed with my S3 or my Note 10.1 ||
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sorry u r Wrong , because snapdragon s4 pro overheat and throttle like hell and probably S600 will overheat even more

Theshawty said:
I for one welcome Qualcomm in the international Samsung phones. Makes for a great if not superb aosp experience, doesn't it? Or am I being too naive?
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well lets hope, but its Ssung, u never know what they come up with.