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My Fear is that this will have Dell Streak-destiny/poor dev support

I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
thanks

Dell Streak was a fairly unstable device with very little exposure, so it's adoption was much less. Samsung on the other hand is going out of it's way to advertise Galaxy Note, I am even starting to see TV ads when the device hasn't hit the market yet. Plus Note has a lot of similarity with Galaxy S2 in terms of internals, so it enjoys quite a lot of already established research and development. I mean we had a root and a custom recovery literally within the same week of its release.

I know of a few talented devs getting the device soon.
Dell Streak was a poorly advertised device. But a really good one.
Galaxy note on the other hand is a close relative of SGSII. so easier in terms of development.
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It probably won't get the same dev attention as say the nexus one or galaxy nexus, but personally I'm not too bothered about that. The note is a bit of a niche device. The Samsung apps specific to the Note look like they're pretty good already, and I believe Samsung are releasing APIs for the s-pen soon, and on the horizon is ICS with pen APIs built in.
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.

paulshields said:
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.
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And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
a) It's superior in almost every regard to the Galaxy Nexus (IMO)
b) It will get official ICS at some point
Regards,
Dave

rockky said:
I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
thanks
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When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. Samsung believes that most people would prefer to carry a Note than carry a large tablet plus small phone and I think they are right. Most people will be very happy with the Note, even if there is no development in forums, because it is such a great phone.

Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.

rockky said:
Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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Note has a lot of crap running in its background, even then it manages to be on par or beat the Galaxy S2. Plus I believe it's software isn't properly optimized for that resolution. Time will fix these. Hardware wise, the Note is miles better than the Galaxy Nexus. Pure AOSP Android 4 should be absolutely faultless on the Note.

rockky said:
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave
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I agree, I didn't see anything particularly exceptional with the Galaxy Nexus, at least at the hardware level. Which is a pity, as it was going to be the natural replacement for my ageing but still brilliant Nexus One... The lack of an SD slot and no obvious availability here in the UK of the 32GB version was the final nail in the coffin. The Note is actually pretty powerful from a hardware perspective. I'm sure ICS will run extremely well on it. Coupled with confirmation that 64GB sd cards work fine in it, makes it a pretty powerful and capacious device .

There is root and I am a TouchWiz keeper, battery lasts longer than GS2, regular apps run, getting ICS - I guess I wouldn't be needing dev support.
Edited: And I am not super hungry for ICS at version 4.0, I can wait until 4.0.4 when ICS is finally super stable.

i'm just waiting for Cyanogenmod to make it's way over ... it IS coming, right...?

I feel your PAIN...
rockky said:
...I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device...because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
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Coming from the Dell Streak 5 myself, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I flashed as many ROMs as were available -- all TWO OF THEM!!
Amazingly, my son STILL USES my HD2 because it never gets OLD--he can change to a new ROM almost DAILY. There has to be about 82 million ROMs for that thing!
Now that I just picked up the SGN on Friday, I too am hoping the SGN will get that kind of love!!

Gaugerer said:
When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. .
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Quite right. With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore. At my work place every one seems to be carrying something really big.
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No love for Dell Streak
I completely understand how you feel, coming from the streak.
I got the streak in Oct last year, because 2.x was "coming soon". Gave up and did it myself in December. I'm still on 2.2.2, which is super stable for me.
I've looked at the SGS2, but that 4.3" screen is just too hard to get use to.
If someone in the states would offer the Note, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I'm not sure I want to get one from overseas...just yet. Bought several items from HK, but, nothing almost a grand in price.

...and I'm OK with that
drgopoos said:
...With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore...
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Me too!!! NOW, I don't have to feel OBLIGATED to let people FEEL UP my phone.
people don't wash their hands you know...

foxmeister said:
And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
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Well, the Tab 7 had lots of rommers basically modifying stock with some UI tweaks, and Technomancer doing a proper job with CM7. Nowhere near the likes of something like the Nexus One where lots of real development took place.
I can see lots of development of the Note in comparison, especially once Samsung drop the source. Even more activity once it moves to ICS. I think there are reasonably long legs in this device for devs to come on board.

I am concerned as well. Actually, this is the only reason why I have still not purchased the Galaxy Note.
Are there any good developers who have already promised to support this phone?

chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go

fards said:
chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go
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One of devs who I respect most.
I am sure anyone who has used dell streak knows it.
Damn the delivery from amazon. I thought u might get it today and work your magic.

I got my Asus TF700T yesterday. Im gonna sell it & buy a Note 10.1

I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!

I think you're making the right decision, but....
You should know that the Note 10.1 also doesn't use a mini-usb plug. It's also proprietary.

Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates

blud7 said:
Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.

ricardosteve said:
That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.
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+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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hoss_n2 said:
+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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did you vote yes or no ?

I got my Note last Friday and can say that I love it. The quad core and 2GB of RAM keeps it fast and responsive, something I can't say about my first gen Android tablet that this replaces. I'''ll upgrade my Android phone next year once I see which LTE may come to my area; however, I know it will have similar specs to the Note.

toofank said:
I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!
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I'm done with ASUS, too...
TF700 has a superb display, and thats about it...mine was laggy,too. OTA wouldn't work, so i did an unlock using ASUS's unlock-tool, tried to update with TWRP and downloaded update.zip - would't work either but kept the tablet in a bootloop. ASUS of course refuses warranty because unlock, tries to charge me repaircosts 90% of a brandnew device - come on guys, kidding??? Sold the keyboard, bought the note 8010, fast and smooth with root and Team Union Jelly Bean...an expensive lesson for me, too...

I'm not bashing the Note. I have the phone and the tab as well and love both.
I'm commenting on the op's qualms about the choice he made, which he regrets.
All I'm saying is the op obviously didn't do any research before buying. Some of the
stuff he hates about the Asus TF are also present with the Note. Which means he
is still making the same mistake of not researching.
The reason I said he should keep it is cuz he seems to be guilt-tripping over a perfectly
good purchase. That and he's going to sell his perfectly good tab and be out $100 bucks
because of it.
And you're making a point of there being cheaper docks for the Note 10.1.
Cheaper dock options are also available for the TF700.
And no, the note does NOT have LOTS of ROMs but dev is heading there. On that subject
I was saying that if he waits, dev will get better for the TF.There are ~20 custom ROMs
on xda for the TF700 and less than ten for the Note 10.1. Two or three for the WiFi only devices.
I still also maintain that Samsung drags its feet when it comes to updates.
The TF had JB since October. As of writing this there still is no JB for the N8013, no
leak, no official. Asus is in fact known for their frequent updates.
The tab has quality control issues as I well. I had to return the first one I bought since
the screen was defective. If you read up, this very forum will confirm that I was not alone
in this. Some report lag with the software. Asus is well known for having poor quality
control though.
With all that said, I considered both tabs when buying, did my research and bought the
Note. I love the one I have now and don't regret it at all. It is amazingly good despite any reviews
saying this or that is better.

I've had both and the Note is a better choice (for me at least). A lot less lag and more options. I have the OG note for my phone and have it running stock android. I much prefer touchwiz on the 10.1. Multi window is awesome and I actually use the IR blaster a lot more than I thought I would. Lots of cool features that vanilla android doesn't offer. I vote Note
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Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.​
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.​
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.​
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.

BarryH_GEG said:
Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.​
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.​
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.​
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.
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I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?

rap6388 said:
I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?
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Because HTC, Motorola, and Samsung all suck at managing device updates. Before I got my N2 two weeks ago I was using a Teg3 One X. In an official press release with quotes from their CEO HTC said the Teg3 One X JB roll-out was going to be in October. Taiwan (HTC's home country) got a JB update in October that was so bad the roll out was stopped for the rest of the world. It started again two weeks ago and only five regions out of over a dozen have received it. In between, regional HTC offices have been providing inaccurate and conflicting updates on what the JB schedule really is.
Back to Samsung. Having nothing to do with updates Samsung's s/w management process is a cluster f-k. A single device can have over twenty four "current" versions of s/w running on it because Samsung creates unique s/w for each region a device is sold in. A good example is that while rolling out JB to the N8000 they were still releasing 4.0.4 ROMs in certain regions of the world. So there are newer ICS ROMs than there are JB. HTC rolls out a single version of "current" s/w that all of their devices globally (except specific Asian markets) get updated to within the span of a few weeks. So HTC's managing two versions (global and Asia) of s/w per device while Samsung's managing dozens. And the complexity this creates makes Samsung's update process overly complex and difficult for us on the outside to track and make sense of.
So, the short answer to your question of "where's the N8013's JB update?," is that it's stuck somewhere in Samsung's plumbing waiting to be deployed. It's fun to talk about reasons for delays like patent issues and the like but I really think it’s just Samsung being Samsung. The OG 8.9 on AT&T just got ICS last week after the rest of the world received it in August. Go figure.
The upside is that Samsung's s/w is versatile for end-users to manage with Odin so that when a newer ROM comes out for a different region you can just use that with no repercussions. My Brazilian N2 is running a Panamanian ROM and my also Brazilian Note 10.1 is running a British ROM. At some point soon either someone on XDA or Samfirmware is going to post a complete MD5 file for the N8010. Once that happens every 8010/3 user can update to it using Odin without the current complexity of loading a new ROM followed by using recovery to update it to JB from SD. Look at it this way; at least we have some options. The poor folks waiting on HTC and Motorola just have to wait.
This is kind of old but makes the point of how complex Samsung's s/w managment process is. This is a list of ROMs deployed just for the N8000. Kind of scary.

I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.

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I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.
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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.

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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.
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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!

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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!
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I was just answering his question :crying:
And that's a good price. I paid $499 plus shipping.

You can charge on a PC's USB... Just reeeeeeeeeally slowly.... Best to leave overnight to charge in this instance, but I have been using it before and charging at the same time...

Thanks for all the info. Im still waiting for someone to buy the asus
The thing that was most dissapointing was the lag. Jerky surfing and delayed responses.
Dont care much about that tiny higher screen resolution

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Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
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The JB update came out the day I bought mine so YMMV.
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
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Which is relevant only if the N8013 is the version he is going to buy (and seeing that he is from Norway it most probably is not).
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is.
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Sure but IMNSHO it's the best one out there.
Based on your post, you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand.
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Agreed, how could he assume for example that the Transformer had to have 2GB of Ram just because it was more expensive... :silly:
[*]The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
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Yes, which means neither of them has an advantage over the other in this respect.
[*]The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
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False, I got a Samsung original desktop dock (stand, charge and audio out) for € 20 (in Italy) and it works with practically all of the Samsung 7" and 10" tablet lines.
[*]The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
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Which is its ONLY advantage.
[*]The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
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Which is actually a PLUS (unless you are a gamer maybe, which I am not).
[*]Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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False, Asus has been one of the best ones for their tablet line but Samsung is not bad at all when you compare it with all of the others and has actually been pretty good with their smartphones.
I run the official JB on my Note 10.1 3G and should get the official JB update on my OG Note very soon.
What he should keep in mind is:
- the Note 10.1 has 2GB RAM (a killer spec for how I use it)
- MultiWindow
- the 3G version is one of the handful of 10" tablets in the world (all of them Samsung AFAIK) that have full GSM call and message capabilities (another killer spec for me)
- it has the S-Pen (I don't use it all that often but when I need it it's VERY useful)
- very good and loud stereo audio
- Touchwiz and Samsung added SW, services and personalizations
- I don't know how it would do with games (I don't have a single one installed on my mobile devices) but on everything else the quad-core Exynos is the fastest and smoothest Android tablet I have ever seen.
- very good battery life
- one of the very best non-HD displays
- light and with a PLASTIC back (I HATE metal bodies!!!!)
- it has an IR blaster and you can use it as a smart remote

Buying a Note 10.1 ?

Hey guys,
I'm thinking of buying a Note 10.1 with the Note 2 in my pocket I find it useful and fun to use, and I perfect selecting text etc with the S-Pen.
However I've got some reservations. I've looked at one 3 times (I know WTF am I doing?) and I've been resitant on buying one as all of them are running 4.0.4 and I'll be honest I found it a bit clonky, and not as rapid as the Note 2.
Now with mention of a possible GT-N8200 which is a possible successor to the N8000 is it wise to buy one? with rumors of the Nexus 10 screen, an updated spec and possible S-Pen improvements I'd hate to buy one and the N8200 pop up 2 months later. One of my reasons for such hesitations is there £379 here in the UK and haven't really dropped in price since there introduction is this because there isn't a replacement or are they just expensive,
When there is the likes of the Tab2 for £265 and the Nexus10 £319 While neither offer the S-Pen I found all in store demonstration models on 4.0.4 are quite laggy and not responsive enough with the S-Pen detection being too slow to realistically use it for drawing I'm finding it difficult to spend more when the S-Pen doesn't seem to work in a way where i'll actually use it.
Can anyone give me a unbiased opinion on how well it works, I know this is the forum for it, but I'm hoping you guys and gals will be able to tell me how it is, as in store demonstrations don't make me want to part with the cash and buying one blind without trying the 4.1.2 up date is financial suicide imho.
TIA
Luke.

14 Views and not one opinion?

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14 Views and not one opinion?
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so I have only had one tablet, this one and I bought it a couple days after its release. the 4.1.2 update definitely improved just about everything for me. ~10 hours per charge, another after the update, and expanded multi window. I understand your reservations about buying now and having a newer model. The display isn't good enough for some, and adequate for others look for the nexus 10 vs. note 10.1 thread, it is debated ad nauseam. perhaps is because my eyes are beginning to fail me somewhat but the screen works fine for me. keep in mind higher resolution requires more battery and cpu usage. fwiw, this note was announced Feb 2012. and took 6 more months to be released. my honest opinion, you won't see the next note 10.1 till July- August time frame. that's my gut feeling.
I find the s pen to be plenty responsive, there is a thread with art work done in the note 10.1 and I'm amazed at what people create.
Like I said I have only used this tablet and have never regretted my choice. my advice would be to peruse some of the threads reporting problems, but honestly there don't seem to be as many of those threads as opposed to some devices.
don't trust the store displays, watch some you tube videos, I always have power saving on and it never slows down.
good luck!

Please don't trust a unit in the store! When I went to worst buy to play with 1 the screen was covered in jelly lol. I love mine & could care less about retina displays. Whenn they come out with the note 10.1 2 I will buy it but until then I'm happy with my purchase. There will always something else newer coming out when you buy a tablet. Hell I bought the galaxy note 2 & now they already talking about the galaxy note 3
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Thank you for taking the time to give me an idea what the Note is like.
I will go get one based on this new information, I really wish stores would update the devices they sell as Jellybean seems to have transformed the Note by what I can see, meanwhile the general public see them and obviously prefer the iPad, is it any wonder when some of the Android devices are running so badly.

Even on ICS I was impressed at what this baby could do compared to my old transformer prime. Jellybean has turned this baby into a multitasking beast! Thank god I didn't get the Microsoft surface. Lastly the speakers on the front of the tablet is something I've been hoping a company would do forever. There's nothing worse than having to cup your hands at the back of your tablet to get the sound to fire in your direction
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Even on ICS I was impressed at what this baby could do compared to my old transformer prime. Jellybean has turned this baby into a multitasking beast! Thank god I didn't get the Microsoft surface. Lastly the speakers on the front of the tablet is something I've been hoping a company would do forever. There's nothing worse than having to cup your hands at the back of your tablet to get the sound to fire in your direction
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+1 for the speakers, the IR blaster is kinda cool too
EDIT: as far as becoming obsolete soon, Verizon just began selling these on this side of the pond, Sprint as well I believe. and the 8 inch version hasn't even been released yet. read into that how you desire. enjoy!

Get it recommemded from my internal heart !!!
I have used ipad, windows tablets, tab2 10 and note 10 is the best of them !!!
Speed and functionality as good specification except retina screen !!!
All your multimedia needs and writing needs not like other tablets
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I love my 10.1. I did however buy a different stylus (the Wacom Bamboo feel) because writing with the original stylus can be a little awkward due to its size and shape (for me, anyway). But for school, it's been a great alternative to carrying around multiple notebooks, and I can use my Note II hotspot to easily connect to the internet when not near a router.

I think the note 10 is the most underrated tab around, I had the original n7000 and this is considerably quicker, I even like the touch wiz implementation (mostly) on it, something I never thought I'd say...
It also made me realise I didnt really need a phone with an spen, as I used this one 100x more than the note one.
Use it for drawing all the time would like a higher res screen though.
They have been reduced btw, argos were selling them cheaper, and Samsung were doing a rebate on top of that for uk purchases.
Check old hotukdeals.com topics for those.
Not sure when I'm down in London next, other wise I'd say you're welcome to try mine out,
OT what do you ride btw? I teach mtb
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I love my 10.1. I did however buy a different stylus (the Wacom Bamboo feel) because writing with the original stylus can be a little awkward due to its size and shape (for me, anyway). But for school, it's been a great alternative to carrying around multiple notebooks, and I can use my Note II hotspot to easily connect to the internet when not near a router.
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It looks as if that Wacom stylus has a button, if so, does it behave the same as the stock s-pen?

I highly pecommend this tablet.
It is very fast, Well built and can be used in an office as well as in the field.
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HTC Volantis to be the next Nexus Tablet

Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet

brett_day said:
Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet
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4:3? $399 for 16GB?? It would take a lot for me to buy a Touchwiz Tablet over a Nexus but this would do it. If that is how it will be I will be buying a Galaxy Tab S 8.4" instead of this thing. 80% of my daily tablet is usage is watching videos of some sort and 4:3 just don't work for that at this age.
Plus I wouldn't call the spec impressively, 2GB Ram is standard nowadays and Tegra K1 is nice, but 2048X1536(reported as 2048x1440 due to onscreen buttons) is lower res than Tab Pro/Tab S 8.4 and Kindle Fire HDX(all are 8.9" and smaller with 2560x1600 res).

brett_day said:
Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet
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I can't see Google going with 4:3 and only 2gb of RAM. Both are non starters for me. I would buy a Galaxy Tab Pro before this and deal with the darn physical button(s).
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Out of all the specs listed I was most surprised that it is only rumored to have 2gb of RAM. With a 64-bit processor in tow, I was expecting more. Just remember that these are just rumored specs. Still $399 is a little steep, however I would still pick one up over other devices just because of quick updates, hopefully easy boot loader unlocking and, quality ROM development.

I agree that I thought the spec's to be a bit lack for such a long wait (Q4) but the upside is the 64-bit processor. I got tired of waiting so I ordered a Tab S 8.4 and I will buy a Note 4 when it's released. . I am at the point with Android that I think it works well in regards to performance and I usually replace my devices every couple of years so I am less reliant on updates. I haven't even rooted my latest tablet ( Note Pro 12.2). So in other words I will be passing on this one.

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I agree that I thought the spec's to be a bit lack for such a long wait (Q4) but the upside is the 64-bit processor. I got tired of waiting so I ordered a Tab S 8.4 and I will buy a Note 4 when it's released. . I am at the point with Android that I think it works well in regards to performance and I usually replace my devices every couple of years so I am less reliant on updates. I haven't even rooted my latest tablet ( Note Pro 12.2). So in other words I will be passing on this one.
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Yeah the Tegra K1 is certainly an interesting processor, and it will be interesting to see how Google approach 64-bit Android. I agree with you that Android is at a point where rooting and rom'ing to get enhanced performance has perhaps seen it's hey dey, but regardless of that, there will always be those who love to tinker Why Google seem to be going the route they are is beyond me, I would rather have a slightly less premium build quality in terms of material used to cut costs, but obviously there has been enough demand, or their have been enough voices raised for them to ditch plastic in favor of aluminum. I will just stick with my Nexus 7, it already does everything I need it to do, and it's at a price that I can live with

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Yeah the Tegra K1 is certainly an interesting processor, and it will be interesting to see how Google approach 64-bit Android. I agree with you that Android is at a point where rooting and rom'ing to get enhanced performance has perhaps seen it's hey dey, but regardless of that, there will always be those who love to tinker Why Google seem to be going the route they are is beyond me, I would rather have a slightly less premium build quality in terms of material used to cut costs, but obviously there has been enough demand, or their have been enough voices raised for them to ditch plastic in favor of aluminum. I will just stick with my Nexus 7, it already does everything I need it to do, and it's at a price that I can live with
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I concur with what you said, plus Nexus 7 have the aspect ratio that I prefer(16:10). So if Google wants to sell Nexus 9 with those specs and 4:3 aspect ratio then I will just keep my Nexus 7 and wait till a new 16:10 Gpe/Silver Tablet or the next 16:10 Nexus tablet instead.

Also, reading that a LTE model could cost $600? I was really hoping for more. But we will know offically next week at I/O. If thats all we really have foward to, I will probably make Galaxy Tab S 10" my next device. I have been wanting a bigger tablet and LTE. I was hoping for it here, but if this proves to the final model. Ill move on. I love ease of rooting, unlocking bootloader and contract free. We know Nexus targets that middle ground. But if this is the middle ground with high end pricing, im not so sure they will make a impact.

Only 2GB of RAM blows my mind.

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Also, reading that a LTE model could cost $600? I was really hoping for more. But we will know offically next week at I/O. If thats all we really have foward to, I will probably make Galaxy Tab S 10" my next device. I have been wanting a bigger tablet and LTE. I was hoping for it here, but if this proves to the final model. Ill move on. I love ease of rooting, unlocking bootloader and contract free. We know Nexus targets that middle ground. But if this is the middle ground with high end pricing, im not so sure they will make a impact.
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Not sure if they will say much about Volantis/flounder at I/O if it is due in Q4, the most they do is show off some Android L features like how Apple did with iOS8 at WWDC.
I do get the feeling they will announce a few new Gpe/Silver devices as 4(Galaxy S4, HTC One 2013, Xperia Z Ultra & Gpad 8.3) out of 6 current Gpe devices have gone out of stock recently. I am hoping for a Galaxy Tab S 8.4/10.5 Gpe release.
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Only 2GB of RAM blows my mind.
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Same here, Basically this a device that is out-speced by the recently announced Galaxy Tab S 8.4(same price and have SD slot) in every aspect aside from the SOC. It would be a really tough sell at its Q4 release date.

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Not sure if they will say much about Volantis/flounder at I/O if it is due in Q4, the most they do is show off some Android L features like how Apple did with iOS8 at WWDC.
I do get the feeling they will announce a few new Gpe/Silver devices as 4(Galaxy S4, HTC One 2013, Xperia Z Ultra & Gpad 8.3) out of 6 current Gpe devices have gone out of stock recently. I am hoping for a Galaxy Tab S 8.4/10.5 Gpe release.
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I would most certainly go with a GPE Tab S. But i want the multi window. Is it on Nexus 7 2013 through Xposed? I haven't look. That's probably the only feature that i would like. Especially on a 10"

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I would most certainly go with a GPE Tab S. But i want the multi window. Is it on Nexus 7 2013 through Xposed? I haven't look. That's probably the only feature that i would like. Especially on a 10"
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It is not a xposed feature, it is an OmniROM feature that is still in early beta. I think it might work eventually but if you want stable multi-window I guess you have no option but to put up with Touchwiz for now.

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It is not a xposed feature, it is an OmniROM feature that is still in early beta. I think it might work eventually but if you want stable multi-window I guess you have no option but to put up with Touchwiz for now.
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I don't care for tw, but like the multi window feature. My only hesitant waiting for another rooting and unlocking exploit for a Samsung device. There is always hope. But I love the ease of,
fastboot oem unlock.
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I don't believe any of this news (rumor) neither the date nor the aspect ratio (4:3) I believe aren't consistent

Has everyone given up on the N10?

There is hardly any activity in any of the N10 threads. Has this device been abandoned by most?

Most Lively it does seem to be the case. Well the tablet suffers also of some jitters.
At the moment all games run perfectly but I can sense a lack of power with the exynos chip. So I assume ppl have migrate to something better

That's a shame. This tablet can hang with most of new ones still

I haven't given up. Its depressing to come here all the time and not see anything "new" though.
I've been eyeing that Yoga Pro Tablet 2 as a replacement for my aging N10.
The N9 is just such a POS!

I've had mine since launch and its still going strong. I have no immediate plans to replace it.

I'm waiting until next year before upgrading that would give me 3 years with my N10. I want a 64bit processor, 3 or more GB of ram, at least the N10's screen resolution/size with AMOLED technology. It would be nice to also have a built in mSD reader. I believe that is not out of the realm of possibility.
I spent extended time with a Samsung TabS 10.5 this last fall and definitely drank a large gulp of the AMOLED coolaide. Just looking at that screen technology in a store did not do it justice but seeing it under various light condition made me a believer that backlit technologies are dead.
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I've had mine since launch and its still going strong. I have no immediate plans to replace it.
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Same here. Running better than ever with 5.0.

My Nexus 10 is running better than ever with Dirty Unicorns 9.1 (Android 5.0.2).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-10/orig-development/rom-dirty-unicorns-v9-0-t3005674

Was the Nexus 10 that popular when it came out? I remember all the hype was for the Nexus 7. I'm fairly new to the Nexus 10 so I don't know how it was around this forum back then.

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Was the Nexus 10 that popular when it came out? I remember all the hype was for the Nexus 7. I'm fairly new to the Nexus 10 so I don't know how it was around this forum back then.
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Probably not as popular as the N7. IMO, partially because Nvidia/Qualcomm hype, partially because 7'' screen, partially because N7 had 2 editions, 2012 and 2013 (that even had cellular connectivity), so it's only natural.
What I do know is that I'm still using my N10 daily. Still running KK, Xposed and TabletKat cos of that POS unified phablet UI.

No idea why but this device was never a commercial success. What is true is that the resolution was a bit ahead of the technology resulting in some jitters when scrolling pages but that apart everything run nicely and smoothly so do games
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Google never was able to provide a nice user experience on a 10" screen.