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I unboxed my X10 today, and found that besides the relatively more obvious protective film I taken off once I opened the box, there is a EXTRA, very well positioned film on the top of the glass. If you look closely enough, you will see the edge of the extra film from the actual glass underneath. Does anyone else notice the same or is it just me? Is that really just one more layer of protective film or it is part of the material of the glass?
Yes, it comes with one pre-applied screen protector and one inside the box!
Out of interest what sized microSD card was included? Mine came with 16GB (Nordic version).
If I understood it right from the webpage I ordered mine from. does mine come with 8 GB
So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
ivansee said:
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
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I hate it too...so i just removed it
before/after pics: (replace xx wiiht tt)
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I actually got 2 ADDITIONAL screen protectors :-/ and mine came with 8gb card so ordering a 16gb one online
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
brodos123 said:
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
Trekster said:
As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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There is nothing in the white papers suggesting that either the nexus one, iPhone nor my old Hero had any other coating than the oleophobic coating for easy fingerprint removal.
Here is a good explanation of mineral glass vs. sapphire glass:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1870141
And yes Sapphire glass is the best but cost too much for ordinary phones. mineral glass will protect the phone against most pocket scratches. But the real test will be the next 7 days, today there is no apparent scratching of the phone(no micro-scratches either).
Also of note is that the screen seems much more responsive after the removal of their so called "shutter proof sheet".
What we really need is an reviewer that doesn't give a damn about his test-unit to give it a go...with and without the sheet!
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Yes the sensitivity has been improved quite a bit. I would say it's on par with the other touchscreen phones now.
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So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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Yes if you read my posts further along I do point out that the screen isn't scratch-proof
I do question the decision and still do as my HTC Hero(which I bought back in August 09) has ZERO scratches And they are both supposed to be based on the same mineral-glass technology.
Im testing
Well, I've removed the screen protector and I think it is much better.
It seems so much smoother, and the screen is definitely more responsive.
I will post again in a couple of weekend to keep you all up-to-date.
soo... u guys can confirm the touchscreen is way better without the foil on? ( more sensetive aaand more accurate???)
coz i am thinking of swappin mine 2 the Desire.. but cant test it takin of the protector.. otherwise they wont return it...
I have had my problems with the X10, but the screen and its sensitivity is not one of them.. Without the exception of the edges...
I can almost never type "a".
I added the second protection as well, and love how the screen works / flows...
(with the exception of the left edge )
It's up to you to decide whether you want a screen protector or not, but there were too many people with misconceptions over at the discussion thread. Please discuss Protector vs No protector over there.
Here are a couple of misconceptions about Gorilla Glass and it's scratch resistance (source links below).
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Misconception 1: Gorilla Glass does not scratch???!?!?!?!?!?
Absolutely FALSE. While it's true that Gorilla Glass is scratch resistant to many materials, some will scratch Gorilla Glass. Gorilla Glass is reported to have a hardness of 7 (some say it is as high as 9. I've reached out to Corning for their "official" value, since they only use Vickers to measure hardness) in the Mohs scale, so any material with higher hardness, such as sand, diamond, or other minerals , will scratch your screen.
So, if you drop your phone, and if it happens to land on a grain of sand, it will scratch your Gorilla Glass screen. Or, if a grain a sand goes into your pocket where you keep your phone, then the screen may be scratched.
To those who didn't learn hardness scale in elementary school: materials with lower hardness than 7, such as steel knife, coins, or car keys, will never be able to scratch Gorilla Glass no matter how POINTY and SHARP it is. You can shatter the glass using a steel knife with enough force, but you cannot scratch it.
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Misconception 2: The oleophobic coating, not the glass itself, is what's causing the scratches, so use sand paper to grind the coating away!!!!!!!!!
DON'T!. According to Corning's own documents (link below), the anti-brasion/oleophobic coating on the Gorilla Glass actually provides better scratch resistance than "naked" glass surface.
Corning performed an experiment where half of the Gorilla glass was treated with the coating and the other half was naked Gorilla Glass, and they rubbed silicon carbide sand paper on it. You can see the resulting picture on the link below. To use their words, there was a "significant scratching on the non-coated region whereas few visible scratches existed on the coating".
If you already have scratches on your Gorilla Glass screen, then it would've been worse had the coating not been there.
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I hope that clears up.
Sources:
Source 1 - Corning's own documentation. Look at "Abrasion Resistance" section.
Source 2 - Post from Erica Griffin
adotkdotjh said:
It's up to you to decide whether you want a screen protector or not, but there were too many people with misconceptions over at the discussion thread.
Here are a couple of misconceptions about Gorilla Glass and it's scratch resistance (source links below).
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Misconception 1: Gorilla Glass does not scratch???!?!?!?!?!?
Absolutely FALSE. While it's true that Gorilla Glass is scratch resistant to many materials, some will scratch Gorilla Glass. Gorilla Glass has a hardness of 7 in the Mohs scale, so any material with higher hardness, such as sand or diamond , will scratch your screen.
So, if you drop your phone, and if it happens to land on a grain of sand, it will scratch your Gorilla Glass screen. Or, if a grain a sand goes into your pocket where you keep your phone, then the screen can be scratched.
To those who didn't learn hardness scale in elementary school, materials with lower hardness than 7, such as steel knife, coins, or car keys, will never be able to scratch Gorilla Glass no matter how POINTY and SHARP it is.
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Misconception 2: The oleophobic coating is what's causing the scratches, so use sand paper to grind the coating away!!!!!!!!!
DON'T!. According to Corning's own documents (link below), the oleophobic coating on the Gorilla Glass actually provides better scratch resistance than "naked" glass surface.
Corning performed an experiment where half of the Gorilla glass was treated with the coating and the other half was naked Gorilla Glass, and they rubbed silicon carbide sand paper on it. You can see the resulting picture on the link below. To use their words, there was a "significant scratching on the non-coated region whereas few visible scratches existed on the coating".
If you already have scratches on your Gorilla Glass screen, then it would've been worse had the coating not been there.
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Source 1 - Corning's own documentation. Look at "Abrasion Resistance" section.
Source 2 - Post from Erica Griffin
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Is this Only for Galxy s2 or for all phones which has Gorilla Glass?? Post this in Android general forum
Prashanthme said:
Is this Only for Galxy s2 or for all phones which has Gorilla Glass?? Post this in Android general forum
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It's not just for phones. It's for everything that has Gorilla Glass.
Looking forward to diamond screens!
Gorilla glass has a good resistance when you try to break it or the phone falls down, but it isn't indestructible.
Thread cleaned. Lets not Troll, derail or flame
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Misconception 2: The oleophobic coating is what's causing the scratches, so use sand paper to grind the coating away!!!!!!!!!
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Anyone who did use sand paper on his/her SCREEN should consider not buying a phone at all....
Thanks for the 'crystal' explanation though
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Thanks for information, perfect to know what to expect from some stuff, if it will scratch or not.
Please revise your article, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051373 Gorilla glass has not a hardness of 7! Quarz has a a hardness of 7! Gorilla Glass is 9 according to about.com.
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Gorilla glass was originally developed to be shatter resistant. It's debatable if it offers more scratch resistance than regular glass, and it may actually be slightly less scratch resistant than regular glass. In most case (not all) higher shatter resistance = less scratch resistance (IE, plastic). I've been telling people for awhile that if you have a glass screen, a good screen protector is a good way to get peace of mind.
To those who didn't learn hardness scale in elementary school, materials with lower hardness than 7, such as steel knife, coins, or car keys, will never be able to scratch Gorilla Glass no matter how POINTY and SHARP it is.
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So basically if i grab a steel knife and scratch my phone with all possible strenght on earth, my phone will not scratch ?
Gorilla glass was intended to be put together with stuff like your keys, coins etc
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Anyway, despite having gorilla glass, i still use a screen protector. I dont want to get my screen dirty and oily
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Poroto said:
So basically if i grab a steel knife and scratch my phone with all possible strenght on earth, my phone will not scratch ?
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Force can lead to shattering, but you won't scratch it. Ask yourself this, how many scratches are on your car's windshield? How about the windows of your house? Take your car keys or even a steak knife and run the edge along your house or car windows. Any scratches?
Yes, if you take it and stab glass with all of your strength, you have the potential of shattering it. You can do the same by throwing a rock. But that's not the same as scratching.
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Force can lead to shattering, but you won't scratch it. Ask yourself this, how many scratches are on your car's windshield? How about the windows of your house? Take your car keys or even a steak knife and run the edge along your house or car windows. Any scratches?
Yes, if you take it and stab glass with all of your strength, you have the potential of shattering it. You can do the same by throwing a rock. But that's not the same as scratching.
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Exactly. There is a difference between fracturing and scratching.
That is why phones like s3 with gorilla glass still shatter when dropped.
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I posted this in the screen protector discussion thread, mentioned by the OP:
"One more thing and i'm done with this! I found out how it is now, according to:
[1] http://chemistry.about.com/od/howthingswork/f/What-Is-Gorilla-Glass.htm
[2] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness
[3] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand
Mohs scale:
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Gorilla Glass - 9
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Random metals - 0.2 to 8
Tungsten - 9 to? 9.5
Titanium - 9.5 to? 10
Diamond - 10
Quartz (SiO2) - 7
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SAND (composition: mainly SiO2 + other rocks and minerals, location dependent) - 7 to 10!
CHEERS!
So in CONCLUSION: if you happen to rub sand, containing diamond (extreme case) on your phone, it will scratch.
I also found this: "Misconceptions about Gorilla Glass" on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866049 He sais that gorilla glass is 7, but i found out it is 9 [1].
He talked about another aspect that he sais is on cornings own website, that what actually scratch on a gorilla glass is the oleophibic coating. Oleophobic coating? Maaan my phone always looks like a friteuse! Maybe screen protectors do better... Also maybe thats why some sources say its a 7.
My conclusion: i wouldnt use a screen protector to cover my good looking screen. Im always pretty careful with it, not dropping it on floor or concrete. I very rarely to never have dirt in my pockets. Keys, lighters and such, wont hurt it. So who cares about protectors? I dont."
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FrankStealth said:
I posted this in the screen protector discussion thread, mentioned by the OP:
"One more thing and i'm done with this! I found out how it is now, according to:
[1] http://chemistry.about.com/od/howthingswork/f/What-Is-Gorilla-Glass.htm
[2] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness
[3] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand
Mohs scale:
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Gorilla Glass - 9
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Random metals - 0.2 to 8
Tungsten - 9 to? 9.5
Titanium - 9.5 to? 10
Diamond - 10
Quartz (SiO2) - 7
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SAND (composition: mainly SiO2 + other rocks and minerals, location dependent) - 7 to 10!
CHEERS!
So in CONCLUSION: if you happen to rub sand, containing diamond (extreme case) on your phone, it will scratch.
I also found this: "Misconceptions about Gorilla Glass" on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866049 He sais that gorilla glass is 7, but i found out it is 9 [1].
He talked about another aspect that he sais is on cornings own website, that what actually scratch on a gorilla glass is the oleophibic coating. Oleophobic coating? Maaan my phone always looks like a friteuse! Maybe screen protectors do better... Also maybe thats why some sources say its a 7.
My conclusion: i wouldnt use a screen protector to cover my good looking screen. Im always pretty careful with it, not dropping it on floor or concrete. I very rarely to never have dirt in my pockets. Keys, lighters and such, wont hurt it. So who cares about protectors? I dont."
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I dont care if it is gorilla glass or not, I will just put a screen protector to protect the screen from dirt :thumbup:
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brandonjuraimi said:
I dont care if it is gorilla glass or not, I will just put a screen protector to protect the screen from dirt :thumbup:
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I dont care if the air is breathable, i will use a gas mask. Thanks for usefull post in right thread. Lets all produce as much garbage as possible for no good reason! (Including protectors)
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its all about peace of mind baby....and with a good quality screen protector there is little difference really
True, ignorance is bliss. Please post comments on screen protectors in the do we really need a screen protector thread mentionrd by the op.
And @ OP. Please throughly rethink your article...
Or at least mention that sand mainly contains quartz which is 7 (gorilla glass is 9 and cant logically be 7, because else we would use normal glass which is mainly quarz + additives and it's a bit under 7), and sand in general has 7 to 10 depending on composition.
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This is the first time that I've ever used a tempered glass screen protector and for the life of me I cannot get bubble out. Rest of screen is smooth but the only two bubbles. One on the edge of the button and another on the edge of the phone.
Any suggestion ?
ajamils said:
This is the first time that I've ever used a tempered glass screen protector and for the life of me I cannot get bubble out. Rest of screen is smooth but the only two bubbles. One on the edge of the button and another on the edge of the phone.
Any suggestion ?
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Is the protector actually made of glass??? If so there is nothing you can do as two areas are lower that the protector and it is not flexible enough to be pulled down by force of the static adhesive.
I have seen the glass screen protectors often recently. I want one for my S4 and Note 3 after seeing that they do not exhibit the 'rainbow effect' issue which is HORRIBLE under typical office lighting.
With the standard type screen protectors (plastic/flexible), including the Moshi iVisor I have on my Note3, and super-crappy no-name brand I have on my iPhone 5s, I use a super-heavy-duty extra-large freezer bag and my industrial shop vac to suck out the air. Removed ALL air bubbles from both with this method.
Installed screen protector 'lightly' with no squeegee or pressing, I placed it in the bag. I made a hole in the bag (zip-lock is fully intact and sealed) to insert the vacuum hose (tight fitting), and let it run for about 2-3 minutes while 'smoothing out' the protector lightly through the bag.
End result: ZERO air bubbles on both devices.
If the adhesive is no longer sticking (based on the pics you posted), you may need to remove, lightly wash the adhesive portion with dish soap + water, then re-apply if it is even possible to remove the glass protector without breaking it.
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ajamils said:
This is the first time that I've ever used a tempered glass screen protector and for the life of me I cannot get bubble out. Rest of screen is smooth but the only two bubbles. One on the edge of the button and another on the edge of the phone.
Any suggestion ?
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This worked amazingly for me!
Slowly remove the case up untill the air bubbly is not scene then quickly as fast as you can close it back up and slide your through the screen upwards or downwards depending in which way you peeled it off from. All the air should go at once.
Could the case be putting pressure on the protector and causing it to lift?
You could try removing the case, lifting the protector a bit and then press it back down.
My Z008 has got scratches out of nowhere. I always check before placing my phone under pant pockets. Still don't know how come these scratches are appearing. Now looking for a screen guard.
It's the gorilla glass 3 problem, I had the same scratches on my galaxy s5,so I got a tempered glass which is allot better in terms of micro scratches.
But fear not it's not the actual glass that is being scratched but the nano coating on top of the glass which is used to give a soft slide feeling, that's why you only see then with the screen off and from an angle.
The camera lens also gets scratched pretty easily, ad the glossy black plastic frame around the screen also develops small dents even if my phone is in a Ringke case.
I guess they really had to cut corners to give good specs at a cheap price.
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The camera lens also gets scratched pretty easily, ad the glossy black plastic frame around the screen also develops small dents even if my phone is in a Ringke case.
I guess they really had to cut corners to give good specs at a cheap price.
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Same here. the black bezel is easy scratched . I already have alot of scratches on my screen and almost 70 % on my camera lens. I only have my phone for 2 months . And got a case for it after 2 weeks.
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My Z008 has got scratches out of nowhere. I always check before placing my phone under pant pockets. Still don't know how come these scratches are appearing. Now looking for a screen guard.
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With original zen cover no scratches, both zcreen and camera lens. Only a little scratch from wife's dimond earring near front cam, she forget to close cover before phone call, so for me filmscreen is waste of money and touch felling, useless
Apparently all material very soft. Frame around screen really soft.
jason4962 said:
Same here. the black bezel is easy scratched . I already have alot of scratches on my screen and almost 70 % on my camera lens. I only have my phone for 2 months . And got a case for it after 2 weeks.
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I have had my phone since mid July and no scratches, black bezel around camera lens still perfect. Phone goes into my pocket every day. I use a dedicated pocket ie: nothing else goes in that pocket.
With the inexpensive Ringke case Impossible to scratch camera bezel or lens when placing phone on its back as it is then inset. For people that carry stuff in pocket with the phone I am sure a case would help prevent scratches. $200 or $300 for the phone spend $10.99 for a case. Lots of people must be buying the case as price has gone up several dollars since I got it.
Tempered Glass protector
If you all are experiencing these micro scratches, it's sort of an inevitable thing. Gorilla glass scratches with grains of sand or little things from your pocket. If you're really worried about your phone, you can purchase a tempered glass screen protector, and a case to fully protect your device!
Case and tempered glass screen protector are a must. Added them as soon as I took my zen out the box
Tempered glass save my screen from crack also.
Even glass broken, but my phone screen is protected.
I've had no issues other then dropping and breaking the screen but the repair guys told me this phone for the cost is really well built with easy repairability
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I quit using a case months ago (cheap crappy pleather wallet case I bought for it just irritates me, and my wife pinched my clear soft gel case). No scratches on screen, one or two minor dents on the black plastic edges but you'd need a magnifying glass to notice them. Very pleased - my previous phone (black slate iPhone 5) got scratches on it if you as much as looked at it, and silver scratches on slate iodised aluminium looked bloody awful.
i have a cover and dont worry about scratch )
Yea same problem got alot of faint scratches out of nowhere threw a tempered glass on
Have quie a few phones and tablets, every one since the Samsung Galaxy S3 has had a tempered glass screen protector installed.
I know this phone is supposed to be cheap in comparison with say, the note 5, but I don't have around $500AUD to throw away just because I cracked the screen, even $200 to repair is a kick in the nuts....
Those glass protectors have helped a lot of my phones survive intact.
I don't care if I don't notice the scratches when the screen is on.
For those hoping miracles on gorilla glass:
Diamonds only can be scratched by diamonds
Sapphire only can be scratched by sapphire or diamonds
Gorrillaglass can be scratched by the diamonds, sapphire or whatever is harder than GorillaGlass, this is the rule.
Where you can find things harder than gorilla glass?
a Jewelry ? sure,
the floor? - maybe, some dirt particles actually are are sand, in some places sand is composed by limestone someties harder than gorillaglass.
your pockets? very likely specially if you have two cellphones, the sapphire cover on the lens camera easy can scratch the gorillaglass on other phone, also some pencils have diamond particles on its graphite, further DIAMONDS PARTICLES ARE VERY COMMON, SINCE SiNTETIC DIAMONDS ARE USE AS ABRASIVE ON MANY DRILLING TOOLS.
So, protect your gorillaglass if you hate scratches, harder is not warranty to be invulnerable.
Hi folks,
I'm looking for feedback on oleophobic coating.
No matter whether it's the native glass or screen protectors, I just need to look at my phone and within seconds it's a mass of disgusting fingerprints.
Has anyone here any experience/recommendations of oleophobic products that actually work at keeping fingerprints at bay?
Your feedback would be much appreciated, even if it's only to confirm my thoughts that they're all just 'snake oil'.
Thanks.
I tried some products, and not a single one worked, I just accepted the fact, only way to reduce finger print smudges is to keep hands reasonably clean, cleanning the screen repeatedly or compulsively will at some point make micro scratches due to very tiny silica particles in the dust, this, I learned the hard way...
2 second wipe of my display and it's pristine again. Also, this is a Note device so I'm constantly using my S-Pen which helps lower the amount of fingerprint smudge.
I haven't touched the bare factory glass, so can't comment there. But the factory installed screen protector was very oleophobic in my experience. And my Whitestone Dome is almost impossible to leave fingerprints on it. Maybe you just have naturally greasy fingers?
Now the back glass? Ha! If I look at it, it gets a fingerprint mark.
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I bought my phone in early February. Removed the protective film early March, and 3 weeks later I can't hardly use fingerprint without wiping the screen thoroughly first.
The area where I swipe with my thumb is completely missing oleophobic coating.
I even bought my first leather case ever the day I removed the protective film.
Anyone know If Samsung has any warranty for that kind of stuff?
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I bought my phone in early February. Removed the protective film early March, and 3 weeks later I can't hardly use fingerprint without wiping the screen thoroughly first.
The area where I swipe with my thumb is completely missing oleophobic coating.
I even bought my first leather case ever the day I removed the protective film.
Anyone know If Samsung has any warranty for that kind of stuff?
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LOL
Vicemania said:
I bought my phone in early February. Removed the protective film early March, and 3 weeks later I can't hardly use fingerprint without wiping the screen thoroughly first.
The area where I swipe with my thumb is completely missing oleophobic coating.
I even bought my first leather case ever the day I removed the protective film.
Anyone know If Samsung has any warranty for that kind of stuff?
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Doubtful IMHO because the screen works and detects your touch input. If your having to wipe it a lot before it will work then make sure your not smearing something onto the screen.
The oleophobic coating can wear off and from what I can interpret that's normal wear and tear (especially if your having to wipe the phone a lot) and not manufacturer defect. Granted it's always best to get a hold of Samsung yourself and ask them if it is covered under warranty... It may very well be, but only they will be able to tell you for sure with your phone.
Side note - If your trying to use the fingerprint sensor and can't without wiping the screen first then (based on your wording) your maybe doing it wrong. You don't swipe your finger on the sensor... You touch or tap your finger on the sensor. You can always also try deleting and re-registering your fingerprints using the instructions it provides, and also consider ensuring the phone firmware is up to date (in case any patches/fixes are included).
It's the oleophobic coating that has Weared out in that area.
If the screen is locked I unlock it with my fingerprint, and after that I swipe it open with my thumb.
And for some reason the oleophobic coating disappeared at that spot across the screen after a month's use.
So to be able to use my fingerprint, I have to clean the screen from the smear first.
Vicemania said:
It's the oleophobic coating that has Weared out in that area.
If the screen is locked I unlock it with my fingerprint, and after that I swipe it open with my thumb.
And for some reason the oleophobic coating disappeared at that spot across the screen after a month's use.
So to be able to use my fingerprint, I have to clean the screen from the smear first.
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My phone screen gets dirty and full of fingerprints. Despite that I have zero issues with the ultrasonic fingerprint detection.
Now if the screen gets extremely dirty thats a different matter... but I'm talking more then just a finger print or smudge of a finger print. I'm talking things like if I handle foods or materials (especially ones that leave sticky residue on the screen) that leaves a residue on the screen. This could cause me some issues, but that is understandablly normal and why I clean my phone once a week using a soft microfiber cloth.
I just wanted to throw this in even though I'm mad late, but I had my note10 replaced on warranty. I specifically stated that the oleophobic coating had worn out too soon and I believed it to be a defect. It's only been a few months since then and it's already worn out again. I'm gonna try a Whitestone Dome.
I'm using IQ Sheild. I wipe it down every now and then with a dry microfiber cloth, dampen slightly if needed.
Looks great at the 3 month mark with no scratches or mars.
It still retains its original surface feel/qualities.
If I need to replace it tomorrow I got my money's worth out of it. Very pleased with its performance.
After 10 months, I have zero scratches and the oleophobic coating still works, not as day one, but reasonably well, at least it is still very easy to clean after smudging appears, I kept the preimstalled film for three months, at that point, it was somewhat scratched, and made the screen look ugly, I peeled it off, and to this very day, I enjoy the naked display in its full glory
winol said:
After 10 months, I have zero scratches and the oleophobic coating still works, not as day one, but reasonably well, at least it is still very easy to clean after smudging appears, I kept the preimstalled film for three months, at that point, it was somewhat scratched, and made the screen look ugly, I peeled it off, and to this very day, I enjoy the naked display in its full glory
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It will be fine until it faceplants on gravel etc or you get sand rubbing across it.
I live in the desert. It took only 6 months of no screen protector to get my S4 screen scratched even though I kepted it as clean as possible. Gorilla glass 6 is not more scratch than 4... the writings on the wall.
I did the S4 scratch test as an experiment as the LCD was already heat damaged.
The 10+ is always in a case with a screen protector and is spotless. I have zero issues with useablility or viewability and a high degree of necessary protection for a $1 G device.
Cleaning: best to a microfiber cloth to clean to glass or plastic. Ok to use dry, shake it out first even if just cleaned.
Use pure water for it's final rinse when washing.
I've used this method extensively on pro cam equipment including the plastic covered LCD displays without scratches. Always carefully clean off heavy debris like mud first though with running water.
Cloth, paper towels etc -will- scratch glass*, best not to use to clean optics with.
*only takes a grain or two of sand. Microfiber clothes help keep contaminants away from the item being cleaned very effectively.
I share with you the sand problem, as I live some 100 meters away the beach line, there is always wind blowing, and at some times, really strong gusts, not to mention when it is stormy, and yes, sand is a real nightmare
Yeah at least the 10 is well sealed... the older Notes weren't.
RickyShade said:
I just wanted to throw this in even though I'm mad late, but I had my note10 replaced on warranty. I specifically stated that the oleophobic coating had worn out too soon and I believed it to be a defect. It's only been a few months since then and it's already worn out again. I'm gonna try a Whitestone Dome.
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Same issue. Ordered Oleophobic coating and we'll see
boofman said:
Same issue. Ordered Oleophobic coating and we'll see
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This doesn't surprise me.
Your dry fingers/palms are actually abrasive.
They can and do polish glass.
On large concave telescope mirrors they use the palm of their hands in the last phases of shaping it.
I've polished out very fine scratches on L glass lens coatings* using just a clean dry finger. It takes about half an hour.
*these optic coatings are hard and very thin. Without them the optics are degraded.
blackhawk said:
This doesn't surprise me.
Your dry fingers/palms are actually abrasive.
They can and do polish glass.
On large concave telescope mirrors they use the palm of their hands in the last phases of shaping it.
I've polished out very fine scratches on L glass lens coatings* using just a clean dry finger. It takes about half an hour.
*these optic coatings are hard and very thin. Without them the optics are degraded.
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It goes without saying that we all need screen protectors despite Gorilla Glass and oleophobic coating