Sony is doing a pretty good job with optimizing software for their hardware. The xperia SP which has a dual core processor beats the xperia Z and the Zl and some other quadcore phones in benchmarks. I hope sony will make improvements to the xperia Z as well. The only thing sony needs to work on is their displays, the SP seems to have about the same level blacks as the Z and the contrast ratio is also very low.
Benchmarks: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_sp-review-924p5.php
All this shows is... sony are very lazy with their 'flag ship' if a mid range phone can beat it in most tests....
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All this shows is... sony are very lazy with their 'flag ship' if a mid range phone can beat it in most tests....
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No man, it's all because of that 720p resolution. Z have 1080p with the same GPU.
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According to the GSM arena review, the contrast ratio on the SP is better than Z. How could a mid-range phone has a better contrast than a flagship phone?
I can not understand why Sony does not use ips TFT
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But it does (for the Xperia Z).
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According to the GSM arena review, the contrast ratio on the SP is better than Z. How could a mid-range phone has a better contrast than a flagship phone?
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Sony have a habit of doing stuff like that though, when they released the Xperia T it was meant to be the flagship yet the V had certain features that were far better...
If you make a flagship it should be the BEST! of what you can do.. not parts of it.
Lets make things clear.
First of all, the Sony Xperia SP is indeed a fast phone, but not faster than de Z or ZL. The reason why the SP scores higher on some benchmarks is easy to explain. The SP has a 720p display, while the Z and ZL both have a 1080p display. That's about twice as many pixels to render. In the real benchmarks such as Antutu or Linpack, the Z and ZL clearly have their advantage.
Second of all the software on the Sony Xperia SP is probably more mature (albeit with two months) than the Z and ZL software. GSM Arena and other reviewers just benchmark their phones when they receive them, so probably with pre-release software. Since the SP basicly has the same platform, you can easily guess why some benchmarks on the SP are a bit higher. But when you will test with new software on the Z or ZL, the difference should be minimal.
Lastly, Sony uses IPS LCD on their phones. If you don't think that's true, you're just ignorant.
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What's the need of this? If you're not happy with your phone that's your problem... But this kind of comparisons are useless. If your neighbor's car is better than yours even if he paid less, does that mean your car is bad?
Instead of doing this things, try to enjoy your phone please.
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No man, it's all because of that 720p resolution. Z have 1080p with the same GPU.
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But if you compare nexus 4 with xz.
Both have same cpu and gpu.
But nexus 4 comes with 720 p screen unlike XZ
And when benchmarked, XZ showed better results than nexus 4.
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abd_alazeez2002 said:
But if you compare nexus 4 with xz.
Both have same cpu and gpu.
But nexus 4 comes with 720 p screen unlike XZ
And when benchmarked, XZ showed better results than nexus 4.
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come back to the saying...numbers isnt everything. 1080p isnt something amazing either, for a screen size this small you will not see it. Buy this phone because of it durability not because of it spec.
G1_enthusiast said:
come back to the saying...numbers isnt everything. 1080p isnt something amazing either, for a screen size this small you will not see it. Buy this phone because of it durability not because of it spec.
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Bull****. Numbers is almost everything. Aesthetics are important too, but would you buy a phone that has only a dual-core, qHD screen and 2G because it looks beautiful? Nope, don't think so.
Comparing to the SP is also nonsense. It's like comparing a current-gen pc with a slightly less current-gen pc. Both are fast, but the higher end one should clearly be the winner.
Finally, 1080p on 5" is amazing. Anyone who says it isn't is ignorant. I had a Galaxy Note which has a pixel density of 285ppi, which would be high enough. But I still see the difference with this device. It is just amazing! Also the quad-core, 2GB of RAM and fast GPU are amazing too. If you don't think it matters, buy a Note or any other last-gen phone and see for yourself...
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Bull****. Numbers is almost everything. Aesthetics are important too, but would you buy a phone that has only a dual-core, qHD screen and 2G because it looks beautiful? Nope, don't think so.
Finally, 1080p on 5" is amazing. Anyone who says it isn't is ignorant. I had a Galaxy Note which has a pixel density of 285ppi, which would be high enough. But I still see the difference with this device. It is just amazing! Also the quad-core, 2GB of RAM and fast GPU are amazing too. If you don't think it matters, buy a Note or any other last-gen phone and see for yourself...
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um yea I would I am actually debating on keeping the S3 over the Z because I can attach a bigger battery to it, hence i dont care about esthetic, It's a ****ing phone not a ****ing ferrari.
you cant even see the 1080p on a 17in laptop why would u see it on a 5in display. PPI can be change via root app big deal
http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
here's a little reading, stop buying into the marketing gimmick, this is just like the statement "the larger the MP the better the picture" um no its not, any photographer can tell you the glass is what make the picture better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diLD42QafIo pause at 3:57 thats how close you got to look to see the difference in 720p and 1080p
G1_enthusiast said:
um yea I would I am actually debating on keeping the S3 over the Z because I can attach a bigger battery to it, hence i dont care about esthetic, It's a ****ing phone not a ****ing ferrari.
you cant even see the 1080p on a 17in laptop why would u see it on a 5in display. PPI can be change via root app big deal
http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
here's a little reading, stop buying into the marketing gimmick, this is just like the statement "the larger the MP the better the picture" um no its not, any photographer can tell you the glass is what make the picture better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diLD42QafIo pause at 3:57 thats how close you got to look to see the difference in 720p and 1080p
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You're just wrong. If you used your phone at about 0.6 feet away, which is 18cm you could probably tell the difference. Furthermore, because the human eye (according to Apple) has a ppi of about 300, 400+ ppi is a tremendous difference from 286 (Galaxy Note) ppi. Which is just below our 330ppi limit.
Also you can't change the ppi (which is what we are talking about here) via root or anything. You can change the 'dpi', which is the scaling of the Android OS. The Z uses a 480dpi setting, which is a bit more than the display is (which is 443) but it scales better. The Galaxy Note has a set dpi of 320, which is also a bit higher than the 286ppi of the screen.
Regarding the Youtube video.... I'm not even taking you serious anymore. The camera and your monitor make a huge difference on that perception.
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You're just wrong. If you used your phone at about 0.6 feet away, which is 18cm you could probably tell the difference. Furthermore, because the human eye (according to Apple) has a ppi of about 300, 400+ ppi is a tremendous difference from 286 (Galaxy Note) ppi. Which is just below our 330ppi limit.
Also you can't change the ppi (which is what we are talking about here) via root or anything. You can change the 'dpi', which is the scaling of the Android OS. The Z uses a 480dpi setting, which is a bit more than the display is (which is 443) but it scales better. The Galaxy Note has a set dpi of 320, which is also a bit higher than the 286ppi of the screen.
Regarding the Youtube video.... I'm not even taking you serious anymore. The camera and your monitor make a huge difference on that perception.
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ok be in denial thats fine with me, i'll give you the point on the DPI and PPI but I just gave you an article on resolution and sizes, if you refuse it then that your right. I dont stare at my phone from 2in away so its fine with me. I dont pick phone like its a part of me or for esthetic looking, i pick it because its use as a phone, I am not going to sit there buy into the marketing gimmick, if I did i would have waited for the S4, as i'm sure the S4 outperform the Z in all hardware spec. the only thing is the plastic shell which doesnt bother me.
Guys I think the xperia SP performs better because it has a dual core processor. Most applications dont have support for multi cores or they dont take advantage of it.... even if they support more then one core most are optimized to 2 cores not 4. So the Quad core doesnt really make a difference if most apps arent optimized for it
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Guys I think the xperia SP performs better because it has a dual core processor. Most applications dont have support for multi cores or they dont take advantage of it.... even if they support more then one core most are optimized to 2 cores not 4. So the Quad core doesnt really make a difference if most apps arent optimized for it
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Think the biggest factor is the benchmarks the SP excelled in was more to do with GPU performance that was run in its native resolution. Which was only 720p
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Guys I think the xperia SP performs better because it has a dual core processor. Most applications dont have support for multi cores or they dont take advantage of it.... even if they support more then one core most are optimized to 2 cores not 4. So the Quad core doesnt really make a difference if most apps arent optimized for it
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Also not true. Since version 3, Android nativly supports multiple cores and can handle them by itself.
Ba7rani123 said:
Guys I think the xperia SP performs better because it has a dual core processor. Most applications dont have support for multi cores or they dont take advantage of it.... even if they support more then one core most are optimized to 2 cores not 4. So the Quad core doesnt really make a difference if most apps arent optimized for it
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I tend to agree, quad core is not needed, RAM on the other hand....2 GB was the biggest upgrade ever, solve lag issue, launcher redraw problem. everything and anything can run on my Dual Core S3. So processor is not a big factor at all.
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HTC Sensation or Galaxy S2?
Torn between these dual core beasts.
Just a very small overview:
HTC:
Screen
Battery
Internal storage (1GB lol)
VGA Front Cam
RAM
Weight. 148 gr. Holy Moly. We should send the phone to fat ca...errr weight management retreat lol
screen resolution: qHD
HTC Sense
Galaxy:
All things HTC has red are better
The thing HTC has green
Easy decision for me.
I think Galaxy S2 is better.... at least in Korea.rep
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sensation is running gingerbread..
@OP, C'mon there are tons of threads to talk about this comparison use the damn search button !!
Sense vs TouchWiz if a slapped on interface matters, sense is lovely! Hardware wise SG2 wins.
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both are good phones and you cant go wrong with any. however. i believe the GS2 is better specd hardware. better GPU. better screen in terms of colors. there is no even lag in scrolling at the browser.
the only advantage you will have with the HTC if you call it an advantage is the HTC S 3.0 and i wouldnt call it an advantage.
besides. and the most important factor you need to consider. the HTC now is using a Locked bootloader. meaning you wont get custom roms for sure. and considering how the incredible S is been locked for 3 months now without any luck to open it. i would say avoid HTC phones for now
i will not even buy the HTC for 100$. locked bootloader = useless phone for me.
i learned that the hard way from the atrix. and never again.
Having a lower weight does not necessarily mean 'better'. I think build quality in terms of materials (partial reason of the higher weight) is another plus for the Sensation. On the other hand, I prefer the dimensions and shape of the S2.
Furthermore the Sensation's camera has an instant capture feature but the S2 cam has a pretty fast capture too.
Looking at all the + and - I think the S2 is the overall winner.
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Very true, imagine when the sgs2 gets cm7 or darky rom!
It's blazing fast on stock!
Guitarfreak26 said:
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Very true, imagine when the sgs2 gets cm7 or darky rom!
It's blazing fast on stock!
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I wouldn't want to put CM7 on that as the browser would loose any GPU acceleration and be as crappy as other dual core phone, I'll take it as it is with all the optimization from samsung included for performance and battery life
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
both are good phones and you cant go wrong with any. however. i believe the GS2 is better specd hardware. better GPU. better screen in terms of colors. there is no even lag in scrolling at the browser.
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We don't know that yet, so far the benchmarks indicate that the Adreno 220 GPU inside is quicker than the Mali-400 in the Samsung, I still find it hard to believe considering the mali-400 is quad core, so maybe the benchmark is not up to date with quad-core graphics processor's.
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We don't know that yet, so far the benchmarks indicate that the Adreno 220 GPU inside is quicker than the Mali-400 in the Samsung, I still find it hard to believe considering the mali-400 is quad core, so maybe the benchmark is not up to date with quad-core graphics processor's.
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what ???? isnt adreno 220 GPU is the same was used in Desire HD and Xperia Play ?
if so, thats more reason to avoid the Sensation. because that GPU is lower than the Nexus S GPU. let alone come close to SG2. that thing will do marathon around the Adreno 220 and that is based both trying to run Nintendo 64 Emulator at the same time same game.
hell i just hope you made a typo and you are not talking about that old horrible GPU :/
Here is a poll for you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=995752
I do not understand how HTC can build such a ****.
Do not or can not?
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what ???? isnt adreno 220 GPU is the same was used in Desire HD and Xperia Play ?
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Nope thats the 205
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Nope thats the 205
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oh ok then. i thought its the same GPU. i was about to throw you out of the window lol
we will see. honestly i dont have high hopes for it because the 205 came after the hummingbird and still sucked compared to it.
Is this thread still going on, frankly there is no competition with the SGS2, here's a brief summary:
The Galaxy S2 is out May 1st (phones4u will release on 27 Apr), it will be the king of superphones for a while yet: Most powerfull 1.2 Dual core CPU/GPU combo (yes much better than HTC Sensation), Thinnest phone in the world (8.49mm compared to the Sony Arc 8.7mm and Iphone 4 (around 9.2mm i believe), Best screen tech in the world (exclusive to Samsung - Super Amoled Plus) see below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016334
MHL which is micro USB/HDMI in one, and lets you control the phone through a remote of a MHL enabled tv, Wifi direct - access your phone through wifi and any browser, the list is extensive, check out the comparison to its nearest competitor that was anounced recently(the HTC Sensation):
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=3922
The SGS2 is an amazing phone, 1080p recording check out the video comparison here (click the comparison tool at the bottom to compare videos with iphone 4 and Nokia N8 - also youtube has many other SGS2 1080p samples):
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_vs_lg_optimus_2x-review-585p4.php
3d capabilities here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
many youtube videos detailing amazing things like motion control zoom in-out, face recognition lock screen, front cam is 2mp, better than most phones back camera,NFC, Gorilla Glass, etc...basically think of a feature and the SGS 2 will probably have it.
also see below:
mur76 said:
Is this thread still going on, frankly there is no competition with the SGS2, here's a brief summary:
The Galaxy S2 is out May 1st (phones4u will release on 27 Apr), it will be the king of superphones for a while yet: Most powerfull 1.2 Dual core CPU/GPU combo (yes much better than HTC Sensation), Thinnest phone in the world (8.49mm compared to the Sony Arc 8.7mm and Iphone 4 (around 9.2mm i believe), Best screen tech in the world (exclusive to Samsung - Super Amoled Plus) see below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016334
MHL which is micro USB/HDMI in one, and lets you control the phone through a remote of a MHL enabled tv, Wifi direct - access your phone through wifi and any browser, the list is extensive, check out the comparison to its nearest competitor that was anounced recently(the HTC Sensation):
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=3922
The SGS2 is an amazing phone, 1080p recording check out the video comparison here (click the comparison tool at the bottom to compare videos with iphone 4 and Nokia N8 - also youtube has many other SGS2 1080p samples):
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_vs_lg_optimus_2x-review-585p4.php
3d capabilities here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
many youtube videos detailing amazing things like motion control zoom in-out, face recognition lock screen, front cam is 2mp, better than most phones back camera,NFC, Gorilla Glass, etc...basically think of a feature and the SGS 2 will probably have it.
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Just want to say : HTC Sensation also has Gorilla Glass. And NFC is not yet confirmed on all models :/...
And also
PS : I Didn't add the SoC though the Mali-400(Galaxy S2) probably is going to be a better GPU, but we can't verify for now. And Bootloader is probably not locked on Galaxy S2 but for the HTC Sensation it is quite sure.
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mur76 said:
Is this thread still going on, frankly there is no competition with the SGS2, here's a brief summary:
The Galaxy S2 is out May 1st (phones4u will release on 27 Apr), it will be the king of superphones for a while yet: Most powerfull 1.2 Dual core CPU/GPU combo (yes much better than HTC Sensation), Thinnest phone in the world (8.49mm compared to the Sony Arc 8.7mm and Iphone 4 (around 9.2mm i believe), Best screen tech in the world (exclusive to Samsung - Super Amoled Plus) see below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016334
MHL which is micro USB/HDMI in one, and lets you control the phone through a remote of a MHL enabled tv, Wifi direct - access your phone through wifi and any browser, the list is extensive, check out the comparison to its nearest competitor that was anounced recently(the HTC Sensation):
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=3922
The SGS2 is an amazing phone, 1080p recording check out the video comparison here (click the comparison tool at the bottom to compare videos with iphone 4 and Nokia N8 - also youtube has many other SGS2 1080p samples):
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_vs_lg_optimus_2x-review-585p4.php
3d capabilities here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
many youtube videos detailing amazing things like motion control zoom in-out, face recognition lock screen, front cam is 2mp, better than most phones back camera,NFC, Gorilla Glass, etc...basically think of a feature and the SGS 2 will probably have it.
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r there any vids showing the face recognition lock screen? I didnt know about that..seems like a good feature to have
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We don't know that yet, so far the benchmarks indicate that the Adreno 220 GPU inside is quicker than the Mali-400 in the Samsung, I still find it hard to believe considering the mali-400 is quad core, so maybe the benchmark is not up to date with quad-core graphics processor's.
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You cannot compare the number of cores on a GPU unless it is the same architecture, it doesn't make sense at all.
A single core GPU can easily be ten times faster than quad core GPU. It is just how they choose to arrange the GPU-architecture in order to have versions with different speeds.
In fact, even a 300$ gaming card for PC's is single core.
k87 said:
r there any vids showing the face recognition lock screen? I didnt know about that..seems like a good feature to have
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Don't be disgusted of womens because of this video, it's only to show face recognition!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6873r6Skm8
:The Chinese phone manufacterers like Oppo an Huawei are ready to storm the globe and that is great for us customers.Sick and tired Samsung and Apple spliting the cake and upping the prices yearly. It is time for real competition. They no longer soley build cheap and mediocre phones but are capable of building high end and like like you can read belowt he phone with the far best specs now available.
Oppo Unveils World's First 1080p Smartphone
12:00 AM - September 12, 2012 by Tuan Mai - source: Phonearena
Chinese manufacturer to release 5-inch smartphone with a whopping 441 PPI screen.
ZoomWhen you think of smartphone titans the first company that comes to mind may be Samsung or Apple. But despite their record high smartphone sales, neither company has achieved what Chinese phone company Oppo has. After releasing the world's thinnest smartphone and the world's thinnest quad core smartphone, the company is back again with the world's first 1080p smartphone.
Dubbed the Oppo Find 5, the 5-inch smartphone features a whopping 441 pixels per inch (PPI), making the iPhone's 326 PPI retina display look like an Etch A Sketch toy from the 60s. Resulting in a crisp 1920 x 1080 display, the Oppo Find 5 knocks the 5.5-inch Galaxy Note 2 out of the water. Even better, the Oppo Find 5 has just as much beauty on the inside as it does on the surface.
The device is going to ship with Android 4.1 on a quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro APQ8064 processor. To get an idea of how powerful this chip is, the APQ8064 easily beats the Exynos 4412-based Galaxy S III and Tegra 3-based Nexus 7 on a number of benchmarks. Other rumored specs include 2GB of RAM, a 12-megapixel rear camera, 2-megapixel front facing camera, 16GB or 32GB of storage and a 2,500mAh battery pack.
No word on pricing or a release date just yet, but we'll keep you posted. Until then, we'll just have to hope for a global release so we can all enjoy this promising smartphone.
Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Oppo-Smartphone-1080p-Display-Android,17494.html
I`am also interested in the Huawei Ascend Quad D and it`s successsors.
Lets hope 2013 will be the start of a revived playing field and many new players joining so we can have more to choose from at reasonable prices
They used quadrant, how qualified do you think they are to say that the S4 quadcore is "Better" than the Exynos 4412???
How is this post related to the S3?
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How is this post related to the S3?
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As i`am beeing a longtime Samsung user and most of the time satiesfied, it is exciting and more important necessary that when more parties are entering with good smartphones that is good for us consumers. It might keeps the big three (Samsung, Apple and HTC) pushing the envelope and produce even better and maybe more price fiendly smartphones. So this is not only related to the S3 forum but for all android devices forums. I as a consumer want the best in quality/price related phone. That doesn`t have to be a Samsung, HTC or any other device per se.
It's harder to sue a Chinese company for patent theft so the way things are going the Chinese companies might be the only real chance to risk some future innovation.
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As i`am beeing a longtime Samsung user and most of the time satiesfied, it is exciting and more important necessary that when more parties are entering with good smartphones that is good for us consumers. It might keeps the big three (Samsung, Apple and HTC) pushing the envelope and produce even better and maybe more price fiendly smartphones. So this is not only related to the S3 forum but for all android devices forums. I as a consumer want the best in quality/price related phone. That doesn`t have to be a Samsung, HTC or any other device per se.
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If related to all android move it to general android discussion. Every one should have access to it.
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So years of hard work by major players are not worth considering if a new mobile with a killer spec arrives? Releasing a mobile is one part, reliability and software support is another part.
If these Chinese players can do then I'm sure samsung or any other major players can do the very same
1080p sounds jaw dropping, I really doubt the performance of graphics with that resolution. Do exynos5 or adreno 320 has enough power to do so.? Considering the iPad with powervr graphics I think it might be possible.
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Exynos 5(CPU), Mali-T604 (GPU) has plenty of power to push the 1080P screen, has a huge pixel by pixel ratio it can push (2560X1600 to be exact)
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if everything is good...i ll definitely get one for myself .....
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Himan eye can't distinguish above 300 ppi.
It's an overkill.
Plus it will take an impact on battery.
Um the actual human eye can distinguish up to 1400dpi at smaller distances, don't fall for the urban myth.
b-eock said:
Exynos 5(CPU), Mali-T604 (GPU) has plenty of power to push the 1080P screen, has a huge pixel by pixel ratio it can push (2560X1600 to be exact)
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High End mali will be of t-658 which can push 2560x for sure. It's suitable only for tablets . Also I don't think 300 ppi will be a restriction for human eye
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Chinese stuff tends to sound good on specs but often usability is terrible....
If these specs are true, the oppo find will probably have better specs than the galaxy S4
I remember looking at the Oppo Find 3 around the time of the SGS2, it was a nice looking phone with good specs, but it was more expensive than the SGS2.
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Um the actual human eye can distinguish up to 1400dpi at smaller distances, don't fall for the urban myth.
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dude is there anythin u dont knw abt...i mean..i wudnt be surprised if it turns out that you are the one holding the particle and running inside the particle accelerator !
gee2012 said:
:The Chinese phone manufacterers like Oppo an Huawei are ready to storm the globe and that is great for us customers.Sick and tired Samsung and Apple spliting the cake and upping the prices yearly. It is time for real competition. They no longer soley build cheap and mediocre phones but are capable of building high end and like like you can read belowt he phone with the far best specs now available.
Oppo Unveils World's First 1080p Smartphone
12:00 AM - September 12, 2012 by Tuan Mai - source: Phonearena
Chinese manufacturer to release 5-inch smartphone with a whopping 441 PPI screen.
ZoomWhen you think of smartphone titans the first company that comes to mind may be Samsung or Apple. But despite their record high smartphone sales, neither company has achieved what Chinese phone company Oppo has. After releasing the world's thinnest smartphone and the world's thinnest quad core smartphone, the company is back again with the world's first 1080p smartphone.
Dubbed the Oppo Find 5, the 5-inch smartphone features a whopping 441 pixels per inch (PPI), making the iPhone's 326 PPI retina display look like an Etch A Sketch toy from the 60s. Resulting in a crisp 1920 x 1080 display, the Oppo Find 5 knocks the 5.5-inch Galaxy Note 2 out of the water. Even better, the Oppo Find 5 has just as much beauty on the inside as it does on the surface.
The device is going to ship with Android 4.1 on a quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro APQ8064 processor. To get an idea of how powerful this chip is, the APQ8064 easily beats the Exynos 4412-based Galaxy S III and Tegra 3-based Nexus 7 on a number of benchmarks. Other rumored specs include 2GB of RAM, a 12-megapixel rear camera, 2-megapixel front facing camera, 16GB or 32GB of storage and a 2,500mAh battery pack.
No word on pricing or a release date just yet, but we'll keep you posted. Until then, we'll just have to hope for a global release so we can all enjoy this promising smartphone.
Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Oppo-Smartphone-1080p-Display-Android,17494.html
I`am also interested in the Huawei Ascend Quad D and it`s successsors.
Lets hope 2013 will be the start of a revived playing field and many new players joining so we can have more to choose from at reasonable prices
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And it will cost more money then Sammy SGS3
Who knows about quality of Camera, sound, dynamic?
Will see! For now all China phones half a crap
Won't have good dev support= no good
Made in China= everything falls apart when you look at it
Simples!
The problem with the Chinese devices is that they use an annoying version of android like miui, lewa etc. If they just use AOSP with added features and theme they could blow samsung away!
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Where do you think the iPhone is made and 65% of Samsung Galaxy, anything can be manufactured in China to quality standards, if the customer pays the correct cost, pushing down the cost to have it cheaper means lower quality parts.
hey all
as the title says iam confused between Xperia Z and S4 iam not a fanboy but here i will say why iam confused
1-processor: i asked ppl who said that octa=quad in performance only better in battery life as its 2 quad processor (so almost the same)
2-Screen:Super Amoled Vs TFT idk which better actually both appeal to me one is Siturated and the other is natura...we cant forget about bravia engine 2 in Z
3-Camera: Ofcourse all samples say that S4 is better here but when i asked developers they ssaid its only because of OVER COMPRESSION is xperia z which could be fixed on the next update is that true?(as S4 has camera features i see that Xperia Z has HDR Video....so software vs hardware feature.....i think software can be added but hardware cant)
4-sound: No Doubt that S4 is much louder in outer speaker but does it rly matter? for me if i want to listen 2 music i will use headphones which r much better in xperia z in quality
5-Duribility:why shall i talk about this? it already goes for xperia z
6-BATTERY:well....2600vs 2330.....but 2600 with much sensors and amoled display(which i heard that it uses more energy that TFT but not sure) and 2330 with stamina mode that can be great.........another confusion here
7-at last....s4 is more expensive than xperia that about 1000EGP(egyptian pound)....does it worth?
thanks all in advance
This sounds more like a review than a question...
I personally think Xperia screen is horrible. Granted, I prefer SAMOLED, but there are absolutely gorgeous LCD displays like the One X (whose screen I still think is the best among LCD) or the One. Xperia Z's display I can't stand. And sound quality isn't particularly impressive either, from what I gather.
AMOLED doesn't necessarily use more energy, and Xperia Z even seems to perform worse than S4 in web browsing, which is where AMOLEDs tend to consume more battery due to white background:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915p3.php
And what makes you think that Xperia Z has "much better" sound quality?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915p6.php
Seriously, despite your "disclaimer", I doubt if you're looking for anything really. Might be wrong, obviously.
It is true that the Xperia Z compresses images a lot more. They're only about half the size of S4's images.
The Z screen sucks badly compared to the One or S4. Sony did a very poor job there.
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And durability - being waterproof is NOT the same as being durable, for the record. It may or may not be, just saying.
the reason octa-core supposedly saves battery life is because it has a low power quad core for when it doesnt need to perform heavy tasks, but a faster quad core for when its being taxed more.
the lower voltage, high endurance slower quad core helps to save battery life by shutting off the high powered one.
The waterproofing is apparently the reason the screen looks so bad, according to Techno Buffalo.
So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
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So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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I totally agree. I think the current 720p screen is beautiful, and if it means subtracting from the awesome battery life (unless battery specs change in Z4C), then it is a total waste. I think they are doing it for the higher pixel density crowd. It is the only negative potential buyers see on the phone because of the new push for higher resolution. I was even turned off initially thinking it was just another watered down compact phone, until I read the reviews in detail of how awesome the display is and all the other specs.
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
It doesn't sound like a dead cert the the Z4 will be coming out in compact form. Sony does usually skip a model with the compact versions.
But the changes rumored for the regular Z4 will be awesome -- Qi charging, exposed micro USB port, no more dedicated magnetic charging port (which will make cases much simpler). That is basically my list of what could be improved on the Z3. Now if only Sony would tell us it will have Gorilla Glass on both sides :laugh:
So I bought a brand new device day one a month ago and now the successor is announced it's a strange world we're living in....
King p1n said:
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
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Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
cyphomatic said:
Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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Don't have the link at hand but the same website said last month that's what their source revealed to them.
Well they could always do what AMD and nVidia do.... rebadge old products.... Then Z3 becomes Z4 compact .
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ?
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ��
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint device with 4.6-4.8'' screen @ 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and water resistant USB port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint 4.6-4.8'' screen size 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and not protect usb port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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I would buy this phone in a heartbeat.
EYeah ! Lag will be impossible with that Chipset and
720 but I think they will go higher res anyway.
I do not care if the phone is 10mm thick I want at least a
3000 mah battery.
This Z4 if ruggedly built may be a 2 year type phone , so
wonderfully overspecced.
Hope it's rugged Device and fully engineered Camera this time with digital and OIS.
I will pay tops for this, then I won't wish for a Note 4 Compact / Alpha type thing....
Love to see a full 810 in a Compact !
More wattage than HTC Speakers and maybe Kevlar Drivers like tiny studio monitors -already waterproof.
I'm not sure such wish lists of components and features will ever actually fit in such a small phone. But we can dream :laugh:
Actually I think this can be produced given the fact that since 2 years the motherboard is smaller and smaller :thumbup:
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I really hope there is no compact with the next release but If the z4c is real, I'll be broke again.. Damn you Sony!
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X Compact is coming up on IFA 2016
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/768782671707148288/photo/1
I think the design is a bit more like Nokia Lumia. Not much info yet but leaking info. said 2700Mah, S650, 4.6" IPS, usb type-c, 3GB ram.
https://www.facebook.com/sonyhongkong/videos/10154558233497871/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mb7OhTrojg
Plus Sony FES Watch looks coming soon too.
They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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yup, Sony is over priced, they are always expensive. I would like to know any new features or quality improvement on camera. I won't get a new compact now but if the camera is great this time, I may get it next year when it become cheaper.
Another problem is s650 get used, not s820 so we'll not supported by AndroPlus Kernel again(we need donate a x compact for AndroPlus).
The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.
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The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.
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CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.
What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.
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What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.
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My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.
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My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.
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It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.
civicsr2cool said:
It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/25/xperia-xz-and-xperia-x-compact-confirmed-on-sony-site/
The Sony Mobile Czech site has confirmed that the two handsets to launch at IFA next week will be called the Xperia XZ and Xperia X Compact. Looks like Sony has found a way to get the ‘Z’ branding back into its phones to denote the flagship device.
LOL .... X & Z = XZ
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CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.
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so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games
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so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games
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The XC prototype should be sd650 and retail ver still have chance to use sd820 but I think the whole idea is switch to a cheaper CPU and free up budget to get 3GB ram. Overall a fair trade. Some rumors claimed XC will use 4.6" FHD if that is ture together with s650 will got a big performace hit on gaming and probably battery life even worse than Z5c.
I think Sony MM memory management not optimized or MM really consumed more ram, or both. We can only debloat the rom and use greenify donated to free up more ram.
Gaming on 720P will use texture at a lower resolution.
Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh
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Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh
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Mid range and not so compact. In other news I bought my first iPhone yesterday and put my Sony up for sale.
Well, at least z5c will be even more cheaper... Kaz, who ever is a head of sony mobile needs to be shot to the sun with a cannon and a switch has to be done. I see vaio destiny for Sony mobile.
Anyone think Sony will price this mid-ranger at $300? Yeah, probably not but I hope to be proved wrong.
The XC is ****, jeez. How bad are they wanting to get their phones...
I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slitly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.
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I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Both SD650 and SD810 only used 28nm HPM but SD650 replaced the big core from A57 to A72(and reduced to Hexcore) should improve hot issue and battery life but I don't expect as much improvement of SD820. SD810 GPU much faster bcoz SD650 gpu only identical to SD808 gpu.
I don't like the XC design, I think my Z1c and Z5c much better but the color on XC looks good.
Sony removed 4K recording from XC though we can enable 4K with root just like other X series's phones but we got to use 3rd apps to shoot 4K. Hence, the new 5-axis steadyshot is only available to FHD bcoz 3rd apps can't use it.
Official support from Sony is longer but I doubt we will get many support from XDA this time bcoz our CPU is different now and just can't port from XZ directly like we did on Z1c, Z3c and Z5c.
Correction:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-x-performance/how-to/root-how-to-enable-sonys-4k-video-t3406075
XC should be able to use official 4K sony app with root follow this method but not sure if the 5-axis steadyshot still work.
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Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.
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Yes. It's safe to say only 3GB ram and camera is better and others are downgraded. I would like to see how good of the new camera bcoz I don't satisfy with Z5c.
If they real improve the camera, I may switch to XC next year but really, I don't think worth to do it, sticking with Z5c and wait XC2 is a better choice for most of us.