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First, let me tell you, I really love Google and Android. I would never buy an iDevice because - well - I don't love Apple.
After watching all YouTube videos and reading all rare tests, I was very excited about the Galaxy Tab 7.7. Nice specs, super speedy, great display, etc...
Today I got it - more or less by accident - and with full of expectations I turned it on to show it to my colleagues. In the videos I saw every device jerking and stuttering and I thought: ok, all these widgets and live wallpaper - I will remove them and then this thing will fly!
Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
As I told you, I don't love Apple, but they get a super smooth experience on a 600 to 800 Mhz, 4 years old device while I NEVER saw this on ANY Android device. If you are honest and compare these 2 systems, Apple has done just a better job performance wise.
I don't think the hardware is not able to render menus, zooms and lists smoothly. Google has to improve it. Samsung did its job by adding the ugly touchwiz, which brought the performance down to zero.
A guy wrote on his blog, that Android will never be smooth, because of its system. It just can't be. Never. Google has to rewrite the code to get it smooth.
It's just awkward if you present your iColleagues the "new best device" on the market just to be laughed at when everything stutters. Pfff... I really hope that Google makes performance the number 1 priority in future Android versions so no iDiots can laugh at one. That's really awkward and I'm really disappointed...
Maybe I exaggerate now, and to be honest there are more important things in life. But it's just sad, that after years Google is not able to make it smooth like Apple had it from the beginning. Apple has done nothing than taking existing things, put them together and make them smooth with an eye for the detail. This I'm missing in Android. An eye for the detail.
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Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
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I think you might have received a defective unit. I have a TF101 and the new Tab 7.7 sitting in front of me right now, and when the TF101 is set to it's stock max clock of 1ghz I can notice a slightly faster response from the Tab 7.7.
It's not a big difference, but it's there. Perhaps you were comparing your stock clocked Tab 7.7 @ 1.4GHZ to a 1.6GHZ overclocked TF101?
If you really want to wow your friends, search for 1080p in youtube (or download from Nvidia) and play the Nvidia PureVideo HD 1080p Test on multiple devices at the same time. It is mind boggling how much better the colors look/pop on the Tab 7.7's AMOLED display. (Yes, I know that the screen is only 1280x800 and therefore scaling)
Oh, and that blog post you are talking about. It's from a bygone Google intern.
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I tried adding a widget to my screen and I did notice stuttering the first time, however every time I added a widget after that was very smooth. I haven't noticed any stuttering while going into the app drawer.
When you talk about Google competing with others like WP7, what do you mean? Android's only real competition at this point is iOS:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/
Also, your comment about Android growing because of it's price is a rather simplified view. If price were truly the reason for it's growth then why do the majority of people (in the UK at least) choose to purchase one of the most expensive variants of Android hardware?
http://www.mobileburn.com/16862/news/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-top-selling-android-smartphone-in-uk
I want to see Android grow just as much as you do, but I don't seem to have the same disdain that you do for its current iteration.
I would agree with you to some extent. I was slightly disappointed too when I first turned it on. I was thinking why in hell such a great hardware is so logy? I think TW and HC but specifically TW makes the whole experience awkward. So as with my other Samsung android devices, I got rid of TW and installed AWD launcher. The experience is totally different. 7.7 is now smooth and fast and just works great.
Just give me a larger font, so I can read!!
+1. I have had absolutely no worries with response time, lag, videos, hang ups, stutters, app drawer response, etc. My only problem is I can read my 5.3" Note a heck of a lot easier than my 7.7" Tab. Now if ICS fixes that, I am good to go. I am very critical, and yes, Android does need to consolidate and be sure when they release updates, etc., they function as well as the iGuys do (don't like i) I don't use TW at all, never have, beyond the first 30 minutes, currently using ADWLauncher EX, extremely fast, reliable........
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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I agree, the application name font in particular is quite small. Thankfully this should be fixed in ICS.
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system." - http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/
Perfect
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
I'm looking to replace my 10.1 with one of these tabs. I will say that after running CM9 on my 10.1, anyone who is annoyed with performance the stock ROM has will love the difference should someone maintain CM9 for this device.
Performance is night and day on CM9. There are couple things keeping me from buying this right now and that's the fact that 32gb+ versions aren't available and that I question CM9 support for this tab. I think CM support will come eventually, so that's not the biggest factor holding me back of the two.
I'm positive once people are free from stock they can see just how well this tab will perform.
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Honestly, this is kind of tiresome. Why bother with calling people iPeople and making it some kind of battle? You didn't invent anything so why act like it's somehow your technology versus theirs? People like their iPads and that's fine.
But I think you maybe should've at least checked the performance of the video you were going to display prior to show & tell time so this embarrassing scene didn't have to happen.
I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
hudl
I'm sympathetic to what you are saying. (See earlier discussion in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1464192; Jade Eye Wolf's long reply has been quite helpful to me.)
Couple of questions:
1. Does using a different launcher make any difference to the subjective experience? (E.g., using ADW EX or GO Launcher EX instead of Touchwiz.) My own experience is definitely much better with ADW and GO (I settled eventually on this) than with Touchwiz, widgets and all.
2. What are the properties of the video you were playing. Could it be that it was encoded at an overly high rate? How does the same video play on the Asus? Could there be some codec issue?
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I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
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For those who aren't interested in the hma5000 "slimstick" bluetooth handset, here is a link to the clip of his video that talks specifically about the Tab 7.7's performance, or you can skip to 3:30 manually.
http://youtu.be/8OHZbPv1Tsc?t=3m30s
Thanks for the video Jade Eyed Wolf, adwex looks to be very very fast on this device.
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nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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You're welcome.
hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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Just change your launcher... Yes TW launcher sucks, whatever the HW. And yes Samsung is to blame for this
The article you mention, even though quite interesting is from an ex Google INTERN... Not exactly a top gun either... even if he may be a very smart person
Anyway I can tell you: I have an original Tab, ie rather old HW and under BOCA ROM with Launcher Pro I don't get any stutter, even with many widgets (Oh and my Quadrant score after overclock is pretty close to yours ehehe. 3900ish)
Hopefully upcoming firmwares will fix your issue. But then again just changing your launcher should do the trick
TouchWiz is THE SUCK and absolutely evil! Honestly my Nook Color with its single core CPU felt faster with its optimized CM7 build.. I have used a Prime and there is no comparison. Everything is slower on the Tab but I think changing the launcher will help.
An obvious indication of the slow response is when you press the power button to wake the Tab up from sleep, the screen doesn't come on instantaneously. I mean WTF is up with THAT?
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HoneyComb + touchwiz are SLOW!!!
Tried all sort of different launchers, seems like they are working better then stock... which REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!
Anyhow, waiting for a proper ICS release, maybe that one will have a better launcher and will work better...
Have a nice day,
SK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaurAFNrrA
It is also explained and showed on this unboxing and walk through video.. Im not really sure if its TW or Andriod causing the lag but im hoping its just TW.
EDIT:
After watching JadeEye's post its now conclusive that its just TW.
Excellent
nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
lucid said:
My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
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that would require you to either shrink the screen or increase the resolution 4 times.
none possible at the moment
I just need text to be bigger throughout the whole operating system and applications.
Up close my eyes are 80%, which I think sucks. So i always bought the biggest
screen that comes with a phone. So after enjoying the note for a month, i heared about the 7.7 and now want/need that/.
just as the question states ,is it good for hardcore gaming ?
xKLDx said:
just as the question states ,is it good for hardcore gaming ?
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As good as any other device I suppose :3 everything on android can be played well on a galaxy nexus let alone the note.
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There are some games that are not compatible with the Exynos processor. So those games that require Tegra tech, are not playable on the Note, unless you install a patch, but I heard few reports of that patch bricking some tablets.
However, beside those, the Note 10.1 has all power you can pretty much get with $500 with android installed on it. So having the best of the best should mean that you should be able to run the compatible games like butter. It does get a lil warm after extended gaming tho. The tablet has some extremely good battery life, however, I notice that when playing the battery goes to hell pretty quick (like 3 or 4 hrs); graphics on big screen has some toll on the battery I guess.
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There are some games that are not compatible with the Exynos processor. So those games that require Tegra tech, are not playable on the Note, unless you install a patch, but I heard few reports of that patch bricking some tablets.
However, beside those, the Note 10.1 has all power you can pretty much get with $500 with android installed on it. So having the best of the best should mean that you should be able to run the compatible games like butter. It does get a lil warm after extended gaming tho. The tablet has some extremely good battery life, however, I notice that when playing the battery goes to hell pretty quick (like 3 or 4 hrs); graphics on big screen has some toll on the battery I guess.
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hmmm , and are these tegra requiring games too many ?!
i mean, how much is the percentage of tegra only games ?
i beleive th note has mali 400 graphics like the note 2 compared to GPUs like the tegra 3 on nexus 7. So far i havent done much gaming on it other than 3d scores on quadrant(yeah yeah i know
you can check tegra zone for the game list but half of those are not even THD anymore ^_^v
I haven't come across act games that don't work with exynos ( I own ALOT of games) only ones would be tegra exclusives which there isn't many of those. Tbh if you want the best gaming machine get a tegra or the nexus 10, the n10 has more horsepower and now that throttling issues have mostly been resolved it has a higher resolution screen good for games.
Also I don't think you need an adapter for HDMI out, I think it uses micro HDMI
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xKLDx said:
just as the question states ,is it good for hardcore gaming ?
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What is hardcore gaming to you?
kkretch said:
What is hardcore gaming to you?
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especially on a tablet...
Suppose your definition of "hardcore gaming" is warranted as mobile isn't known for it lol
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ECOTOX said:
I haven't come across act games that don't work with exynos ( I own ALOT of games) only ones would be tegra exclusives which there isn't many of those. Tbh if you want the best gaming machine get a tegra or the nexus 10, the n10 has more horsepower and now that throttling issues have mostly been resolved it has a higher resolution screen good for games.
Also I don't think you need an adapter for HDMI out, I think it uses micro HDMI
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nexus 10 isn't available in my country :'(
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hmm yea the word actually was chosen wrong xD
i just mean playing any new more demanding games , i don't really know a lot of names now cuz i still didn't buy the thing but let's say modern combat 4 , need for speed most wanted and things like that
i'm just trying to compare the gaming on it to ipad 4 , yes i know that ipad games look a lot better , but i just need them to look good cuz everybody is telling me that customization in android is a lot cooler than the ios stability
I offer you to buy nexus 7 or ipad3 or 4(128gb is awesome) ,why? As all friends said most android devices are the same but with different progressor & each of them can't run other progressor games,
Why ipad?
-ipad isn't like this & can run all high-end games with maximum effects & graphics (for example runs dead trigger with water effect which only tegra devices can show this feature)
-Games release before android (like Real Racing 3 ,it's released a month ago for ios but its not still available at Google market)
-700,000 games & apps(android have 700,000 apps but it include Widgets, launchers, live wallpapers,lockers, themes, etc,...)
-all ios apps & games are tested by apple before uploading appStore, so no broken apps & viruses
-awesome battery life, 11,000mAh battery (more than 10 hour gaming with just one charging)
-perfect support (ex. IPhone 3gs gets ios6 update)
Choose the best & don't waste you money for note,buy 1 time buy the good 1
This is Jay-z-s
jay-z-s said:
I offer you to buy nexus 7 or ipad3 or 4(128gb is awesome) ,why? As all friends said most android devices are the same but with different progressor & each of them can't run other progressor games,
Why ipad?
-ipad isn't like this & can run all high-end games with maximum effects & graphics (for example runs dead trigger with water effect which only tegra devices can show this feature)
-Games release before android (like Real Racing 3 ,it's released a month ago for ios but its not still available at Google market)
-700,000 games & apps(android have 700,000 apps but it include Widgets, launchers, live wallpapers,lockers, themes, etc,...)
-all ios apps & games are tested by apple before uploading appStore, so no broken apps & viruses
-awesome battery life, 11,000mAh battery (more than 10 hour gaming with just one charging)
-perfect support (ex. IPhone 3gs gets ios6 update)
Choose the best & don't waste you money for note,buy 1 time buy the good 1
This is Jay-z-s
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He may want more than what the iPad can offer though. Also not every version of the iPhone will get the full update so support isn't perfect. As for virus or malware, Apple devices aren't impervious and the rate of infection on android Is grossly over exaggerated. Also not all I devices run Max effects, in fact most can't except the ipad2 and iphone4s.
The only processor that can't run the others as u say is tegra vs everyone else and it's not lack of ability that's the problem it's nvidia paying for exclusive content. Games released first is valid but every other point was uninformed FUD which I kindly ask you don't spread around these forums. Think about the fact that you're posting in a forum where there are people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about.
Edit: Just one of many articles to prove my point on malware threat on both platforms
http://m.cnet.com/news/should-malware-risks-factor-into-the-iphone-vs-android-debate/57557684?ds=1
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yea ECOTOX is right !
i kinda don't want to be stuck with the standard ipad looks , i want something i can play around with
its not all about games , i don't want to run EVERY GAME out there , i just want a lot of games so that when i want to play , i won't be in shortage of games , but i have many other things to do with the tab
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What is hardcore gaming to you?
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Why I asked this is that I think any real "hardcore gamer" would not purchase a tablet of any brand to play games.
Hardcore gamer's have computers that they put many thousands of dollars into, they uses 2 or more monitors, 3 or more video cards, massive water cooler systems that are overclocked, they run gigabit modems, laser mice and special keyboards...... So.... my answer should have be NO.
^^ i know what a hardcore gamer is , and fyi , what u just talked about is a hardcore gamer with a ****load of money , there are hardcore gamers with less money like me that play on consoles (i have an x360) , but again i was talking only about the more demanding android games and got a wrong word , english aint my first lang man
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He may want more than what the iPad can offer though. Also not every version of the iPhone will get the full update so support isn't perfect. As for virus or malware, Apple devices aren't impervious and the rate of infection on android Is grossly over exaggerated. Also not all I devices run Max effects, in fact most can't except the ipad2 and iphone4s.
The only processor that can't run the others as u say is tegra vs everyone else and it's not lack of ability that's the problem it's nvidia paying for exclusive content. Games released first is valid but every other point was uninformed FUD which I kindly ask you don't spread around these forums. Think about the fact that you're posting in a forum where there are people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about.
Edit: Just one of many articles to prove my point on malware threat on both platforms
http://m.cnet.com/news/should-malware-risks-factor-into-the-iphone-vs-android-debate/57557684?ds=1
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Come on,Let's just be honest
You're telling me android is better because you are an android user !
I'm talking about ipad3/4 & comparing to note 10 & NOT GALAXY TAB OR OUT-DATED DEVICE (like you comparing ipad 2 with high-end devices )(all HD effects are shown on ipad3,4 & I don't know about ipad2,never testedon )
Security is something that user will feel it when playing, browsing,etc...
All of us know that if you don't jailbreak your i-device it's the most secure operating system all around the world.hackers were working on ios6 jailbreak for about 2 months & this shows how secure is ios6. (As I said apps before uploading to appStore will be fully tested )
(((Cracked apps are absolutely a serious source of malware & I don't know you heard about the new method of installing cracked apps on ios without jailbreak, that's a negative point for ios user but if they download from store there will be no problem)))
It's his choice & I'm not forcing him to buy a beast!
Benchmarks are helpful at this moment (if you say note is more powerful in tests {not only CPU, all tests})
But if he is in love with s-pen we can't do anything about that, Ipad comes with huge range of accessories but it doesn't support a s-pen style captive pen(or I didnt seen that,maybe exists)
I still say Ipad & nothing can change my mind :beer: :thumbup: trying both tablets is recommended, judge by your self
Sorry for English, it's not my mother language
This is Jay-z-s
jay-z-s said:
Come on,Let's just be honest
You're telling me android is better because you are an android user !
I'm talking about ipad3/4 & comparing to note 10 & NOT GALAXY TAB OR OUT-DATED DEVICE (like you comparing ipad 2 with high-end devices )(all HD effects are shown on ipad3,4 & I don't know about ipad2,never testedon )
Security is something that user will feel it when playing, browsing,etc...
All of us know that if you don't jailbreak your i-device it's the most secure operating system all around the world.hackers were working on ios6 jailbreak for about 2 months & this shows how secure is ios6. (As I said apps before uploading to appStore will be fully tested )
(((Cracked apps are absolutely a serious source of malware & I don't know you heard about the new method of installing cracked apps on ios without jailbreak, that's a negative point for ios user but if they download from store there will be no problem)))
It's his choice & I'm not forcing him to buy a beast!
Benchmarks are helpful at this moment (if you say note is more powerful in tests {not only CPU, all tests})
But if he is in love with s-pen we can't do anything about that, Ipad comes with huge range of accessories but it doesn't support a s-pen style captive pen(or I didnt seen that,maybe exists)
I still say Ipad & nothing can change my mind :beer: :thumbup: trying both tablets is recommended, judge by your self
Sorry for English, it's not my mother language
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If you read I didn't say even once android is better, not once. I also didn't mention a single outdated device, galaxy tab or otherwise. Also iPad 3&4 don't have all effects enabled as they can't at their resolution. ONLY the iPad 2 and iphone4s/5 do (nova3 looks 800x better on the iPad 2), all others prior can't handle full effects in all games, leaving the iPad 2 which at it's resolution has resources to spare the iOS gamers tab of choice. IOS is not the most secure, that is 1000% false, and it has malware just the same regardless of jailbreaking or not. Jailbreaking taking 2 months is a short period of time and in no way substantiates iOS security. Security is a state of mind for the user, you won't feel it ever during use because it isn't possible to "feel" system security. In fact both android and iOS are worse than blackberry in regards to security from my experience so by that logic that OS is the best. Googles apps store tests apps also, you just have less time between submitting the app and approval, malware rates on the play store are very low and when they do get on are removed quickly. 3rd party stores and sites are the main sources of malware on both platforms. I don't believe in one being better or worse, they're all just different. I really don't care what you pick but don't state opinion as fact because it isn't. you stated a opinion/view, one steming from inexperience and lack of knowledge, which is fine but again don't say anything you said is fact because it isn't.
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xKLDx said:
^^ i know what a hardcore gamer is , and fyi , what u just talked about is a hardcore gamer with a ****load of money , there are hardcore gamers with less money like me that play on consoles (i have an x360) , but again i was talking only about the more demanding android games and got a wrong word , english aint my first lang man
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The note will play everything just fine, but unless you want the spen there are better options like tegra3 or the nexus 10 if you can find a way to get one on eBay or something. So my advice is unless you want the spen, go w with something like the nexus 7 or 10, or whichever tegra3 or higher based devices you can get in your country.
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kkretch said:
Why I asked this is that I think any real "hardcore gamer" would not purchase a tablet of any brand to play games.
Hardcore gamer's have computers that they put many thousands of dollars into, they uses 2 or more monitors, 3 or more video cards, massive water cooler systems that are overclocked, they run gigabit modems, laser mice and special keyboards...... So.... my answer should have be NO.
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Are you in my room O.O? Lol
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Damn jay-z-s... this is the worst place for an IPad lover to make a point... (there is no point to be made anyway, lol) I am in the IT Business and I can tell you something... There is NOT a SINGLE person that I know... NOT even 1... That still thinks IPads are better than Android devices... if, if... the person tasted both devices. I can say that 99% of people (just for not saying a 100%) after using a device like a Note 2, Note 10.1... or S3... will go back to an IPhone or IPad. You just get in your hands an IPhone 5 and in your other hand a Note 2... and there is simply no comparison just by looking at it. You don't even have to do anything... don't even waste time turning them on, just look at them both for 10 seconds... and baaam... that's it. Market share for the IOS is going down at top speed, while Android's market keeps going up and up... Apple is going to have to wake up and start adding Micro SD card slots and do something really impressive with the ipads and iphones... because it will end up very bad for them... At least Microsoft now supports a full OS on their tablets... that's at least something to keep them on the market for more time... Not to be rude, but IOS in my opinion is simply a retard OS that you can just do pretty much nothing with it... With Android you can install another ROM... wow... another launcher, wow... widgets... wow... very, very customizable. With IOS... Hey... New version x.x.1... wow.... more locks! Less options! weeeeee! finally changed the settings icon after a week! Is that even possible? lol
okey thanks guys !
i'll go with the note for a few reasons
1.nexus 10 isn't available here and getting it from ebay i will pay a lot more than the price for the shipment and things like that
2.i want a 10" tablet so the nexus 7 won't be good for me cuz i want to watch movies and read stuff on a big screen
3.the s-pen and stereo speakers on the note look cool !!
so thanks again guys (Y)
Hi All,
So I'm going to speak about my Story in Smartphone and all my disappointments about the Sony Xperia Z. I was a Iphone User since the first one. I bought the Iphone 1 , 3G , 4 , 4S and my last one the 5. After reading a lot about Android, I decided to change and find a good phone on Android. So at this time XZ was the best with Quad Core Processor and 2 Go of Ram. I was sure that the phone will be incredibly fast! I bought a Galaxy Tab 2 before and even with Cynogen Mod it was horrible!!
So I bought my xperia Z, I was very Happy about Android, lot a personalization, beautiful etc until I see the real performance of the device....
I had a Micro-lag each time I'm scrolling between desktop with the base launcher xperia... Impossible I tought.. and no really it was micro-lag... So I decided to try Nova launcher and now hoo a little better but each time after unlocking the phone a microlag appear again when scrolling..
So After try a lot of launcher and same problem on each launcher except one! TSF Shell was the only fluid launcher... And it's the one with the 3D animations.. Weird....
So I was a little more happy but after that I decided to check performance in games.. So I install Real Racing 3 and hoo working fine but no fast as my Ipad Mini who are supposed to more 2x less powerfull... and the graphic was better too on ipad mini.. and the FPS was not good at all.
Then I tried Asphalt 7 Heat , and same problems... not perfectly fluid , I'm sure I have max 40FPS..... and the graphics are far from the quality of my ipad..
When I play 10 min the phone beginning to heat heat heat until 42 ° ... The Heat control service launch his process and powerdown the CPU... Great!!!
So I like Android.. It's a great OS , I liked it. I didn't want to change but those points disappoint me a lot... Why the base launcher is not running well? I don't even see the difference of performance between the old Galaxy Tab 2 and the XZ... and then why it's the most ressources launcher who are the most fluid one?
The Last thing is the MediaServer, it's running all the time and feed with half of my battery and I don't even know why... probably indexing media but it's everyday and when I check the CPU during the running of this process it's even more than 10% so why the battery is used so much?
Thanks a lot all for your help and excuse my poor bad english
You can deactivate certain applications like your app that are running medias.
And if you decide if a phone is good or not only for homescreen lag (iOS even hasn't one) or heat performance playing games why did you choose Android?
Oh and i'm sorry for the heat control service that powerdowns your cpu saving it.
graffus said:
You can deactivate certain applications like your app that are running medias.
And if you decide if a phone is good or not only for homescreen lag (iOS even hasn't one) or heat performance playing games why did you choose Android?
Oh and i'm sorry for the heat control service that powerdowns your cpu saving it.
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If you read everything I didn't juge android cause of that. I put a lot of Argument.
And then so you tell me that Scrolling between desktop is laggy on all android devices? and u said also that all android device heat? That's wierd
Ah, yet another repetitive thread that should have been in the troubleshooting section with all the other same threads.
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Nope, just sony having problems with no smooth launchers (every xperia i had)
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Sad to hear that you are experiencing poor problems with your device.
But first and foremost, do not compare the performance in gaming with the Idevices, because the way the games are made is often very different per platform. A lot of these games are made with idevice in mind, so the developers have put a lot of emphasis on the develophment there, so comparing framerates and else is like comparing apples and oranges.... We know that don't work that well.
Regarding the heat; in my ecperience every processor gets warm after intensive usage, and gaming is intensive. So yeah, a processor can become a hothead in that situation. Is like playing Far Cry 3 on Hires on a PC, and not expecting the GPU to run a bit hot....Kind of makes sense....
I have the same phone. And yes it is not perfect, but no phone is. Luckily I do not have any issues, but I guess the issues that people are experiencing now, might or will be resolved with the hopefully coming firmware.
I'm not a fan of any brand, I just get allergic reactions fro idevices. If for some reason you are not happy with the phone, return it and get another before it is too late to do that. And get another one. I mean brand. Or stay with your iphone 5.:laugh:
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Sad to hear that you are experiencing poor problems with your device.
But first and foremost, do not compare the performance in gaming with the Idevices, because the way the games are made is often very different per platform. A lot of these games are made with idevice in mind, so the developers have put a lot of emphasis on the develophment there, so comparing framerates and else is like comparing apples and oranges.... We know that don't work that well.
Regarding the heat; in my ecperience every processor gets warm after intensive usage, and gaming is intensive. So yeah, a processor can become a hothead in that situation. Is like playing Far Cry 3 on Hires on a PC, and not expecting the GPU to run a bit hot....Kind of makes sense....
I have the same phone. And yes it is not perfect, but no phone is. Luckily I do not have any issues, but I guess the issues that people are experiencing now, might or will be resolved with the hopefully coming firmware.
I'm not a fan of any brand, I just get allergic reactions fro idevices. If for some reason you are not happy with the phone, return it and get another before it is too late to do that. And get another one. I mean brand. Or stay with your iphone 5.:laugh:
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No like I said , I choose this one cause I wanted to switch to android Iphone is good but too lock.. The problem is that I don't have any heating with the Iphone 5 even playing game. Here with the sony, it heat so much that I don't even be able to touch it..
I really hope an update will come to solve all this
Every Quadcore phone is heating up a lot during playing games. That's not a Sony issue
Don't forget that the iPhone only has 1136x640 pixels vs 1920x1080 of the XZ, plus not all applications/games are optimized for fullhd.
This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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Thanks! That's maybe a beginning of an answer So We just need to wait for the 4.2.2 Hope soon
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This Linux version is known for this, the next version in JB 4.2.2 is much smoother and designed for higher specked devices. As Renzo4000 points out 1080p is new and nothing is ready for this properly yet, only been out for about 3 months on any phone, so obviously nothing has been optimised for that. And most stupid games etc just scale to fit the screen because they are not made for that resolution, I am sure you know if you enlarge photo's or anything beyond 100% it pixelises etc
Secondly once you unlock the boot loader and install optimised Roms the system will fly.
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this one...
sony is first fullhd android device... even tabs were 1280x720..
so software has to be optmized, for example, i have a strategic game (majesty) wich has serious problems in menu (everything becomes unstable) and game interface is too small...
or i tried another game (don't remember wich one) wich started in a window with black borders...
same goes for microlags, new kernel is much more optimized for s4 architecture , so we have to wait a couple of weeks... a friend of mine with nexus 4 had changes equal to day/night going to 4.2.2 even battery performance was much better
you can even block some apps (for example if you have a branded phone, you can have some bloatware)
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this one...
sony is first fullhd android device... even tabs were 1280x720..
so software has to be optmized, for example, i have a strategic game (majesty) wich has serious problems in menu (everything becomes unstable) and game interface is too small...
or i tried another game (don't remember wich one) wich started in a window with black borders...
same goes for microlags, new kernel is much more optimized for s4 architecture , so we have to wait a couple of weeks... a friend of mine with nexus 4 had changes equal to day/night going to 4.2.2 even battery performance was much better
you can even block some apps (for example if you have a branded phone, you can have some bloatware)
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Ok So the problem is really the old version 4.1.2 so I need to wait for the 4.2.2 or Flash with Cynogen ROM FXperia but losing my warranty Can't wait for this update So after this update the system will fly I suppose Yeaaah because , I like Android, I like the XZ , it's the only problem
XZ runs now on 4.1.2 and 3.4 kernel. The 4.2.2 update should also bring a new kernel, 3.6. sony XZ will be the first phone with 3.6 kernel.
4.2.2 together with the 3.6 kernel is way better optimised for the hardware etc in the XZ. 1080p is quite new so nothing is optimized yet, like posted before
Also, I don't have lag in Sony launvher, removed the weather widget, added some tweaks and all is really smooth now
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XZ runs now on 4.1.2 and 3.4 kernel. The 4.2.2 update should also bring a new kernel, 3.6. sony XZ will be the first phone with 3.6 kernel.
4.2.2 together with the 3.6 kernel is way better optimised for the hardware etc in the XZ. 1080p is quite new so nothing is optimized yet, like posted before
Also, I don't have lag in Sony launvher, removed the weather widget, added some tweaks and all is really smooth now
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It Depend me I have micro lags when scrolling between desktops. Now when launching applications I have no lags. It's really like the screen don't follow instructions.
right, take off the weather widget, photo widget and the lag in home disappear
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right, take off the weather widget, photo widget and the lag in home disappear
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The problem is that update coming out only at the end of April Wait then
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The problem is that update coming out only at the end of April Wait then
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Just announced, Apple is going through the same sort of issues with app/game quality as I mentioned earlier. Things not being built for the higher res screens...
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/21/apple-sets-a-may-1st-cutoff-for-app-submissions-that-use-udid/
I really dont have lags on my apex and nova and i kepping those both open..and no overheat problem like you said ..yeah it heat but not that it annoys me to dont touch...
I have a friend who has an ip5 after facebooking via data for 10 min...you know what happend? It really heat up more than the way your describing the heating up of the z...he is apple dependent and no way on the earth that he change phone from apple...he has apple phone since the verry first
But this this time he addmit that something is messed up
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Just announced, Apple is going through the same sort of issues with app/game quality as I mentioned earlier. Things not being built for the higher res screens...
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/21/apple-sets-a-may-1st-cutoff-for-app-submissions-that-use-udid/
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There's something to be said for the power of Apple regarding getting things fixed, android doesn't have that kind of app compliance
I just found a benchmark (antutu) of the dev console while I was browsing the web and the CPU looks pretty decent, but sadly the gpu was left untested. (Link to this person's Imgur: http://imgur.com/a/4welz )
It scores about the same as the infinity though, so nothing really impressive.
Infinity scores: http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=126
It's somewhat disappointing that they couldn't up the clock speed a bit more considering it has fan and no power restraints, but perhaps the tegra 3 doesn't perform well at those speeds.
=]
Good find looks like we are going to have quite the decent system on our hands
Hope they do a revision with tegra 5 or with sgx next time around.
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Yeah, I just don't see the incentive to buy if it doesn't perform better than a smartphone. I feel like that majority of their market will already have a phone or tablet that performs similar to or better than this. Hopefully the gpu is overclocked because if it isn't than I see almost no reason for having a fan and heat sink Lol, perhaps it will come in handy with overclocking later.
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Yeah, I just don't see the incentive to buy if it doesn't perform better than a smartphone. I feel like that majority of their market will already have a phone or tablet that performs similar to or better than this. Hopefully the gpu is overclocked because if it isn't than I see almost no reason for having a fan and heat sink Lol, perhaps it will come in handy with overclocking later.
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If you already have a fast smartphone or tablet you'd be better off getting a controller like the Moga Pro, sixaxis, or similar instead and taht HDMI cable. This thing is very cheap so it may be worth it for those that want a portable emulator.
I have noticed that watching games like Need for Speed Most Wanted and Deadtrigger the games are not as smooth as on my Excite 7.7, TF300 or even the GS3 (Dual Snap version). I thought it was a Youtube frame rate issue, but notice the lack of smoothness with all 3D game videos I have seen when compared to my other devices. Is this an output issue to larger displays? Seems it would not be, but must be some reason. I output the Excite via HDMI and as smooth as on the device display.
Ironic Need for Speed is a game being shown, since that one game takes up one third of the storage space (It is 2GB counting user data).
Hey guys.
I am looking at picking one of these up soon but I have a few things I would like to know from an honest person in an honest opinion.
Can someone tell me all or one of the answers to:
1.How is the general UI performance? (Lags, frame drops)
2.How do games hold up? (Again, frame rates and lags (especially N.O.V.A 3 & Modern Combat 4 if anyone has that (that would help a lot!)))
3.How is the YouTube app in general (playback and browsing.
4.Does it feel/ is it underpowered/ showing its age?
5.Has 4.3 improved things a lot (performance)
6.Should I get one overall?
... Please.
Thank you very much for your time reading this and possibly answering.
Faithfully,
-Riku
Its very vast and very very good for gaming. It has a very powerful gpu. So games and browsing and stuff are flawless for me. I dont know if 4.3 is so much better because when I got it I almost immediatly updated it.
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Strike_Riku said:
Hey guys.
I am looking at picking one of these up soon but I have a few things I would like to know from an honest person in an honest opinion.
Can someone tell me all or one of the answers to:
1.How is the general UI performance? (Lags, frame drops)
2.How do games hold up? (Again, frame rates and lags (especially N.O.V.A 3 & Modern Combat 4 if anyone has that (that would help a lot!)))
3.How is the YouTube app in general (playback and browsing.
4.Does it feel/ is it underpowered/ showing its age?
5.Has 4.3 improved things a lot (performance)
6.Should I get one overall?
... Please.
Thank you very much for your time reading this and possibly answering.
Faithfully,
-Riku
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1. The general UI performace is excellent. No lags No frame drops.
2. I play NOVA 3 and it is smooth as butter with excellent graphics even better than the one on ipad.
3. Youtube and general browsing is also very good, everything briskly fast. I have yet to encounter anything that lags or with frame drops.
4. I have HD2 with Gingerbread 2.3.7, so for me N10 with 4.3 is a huge improvement and lots of usable new features.
5. Its an outstanding deal. You are going to love it.
Strike_Riku said:
Hey guys.
I am looking at picking one of these up soon but I have a few things I would like to know from an honest person in an honest opinion.
Can someone tell me all or one of the answers to:
1.How is the general UI performance? (Lags, frame drops)
2.How do games hold up? (Again, frame rates and lags (especially N.O.V.A 3 & Modern Combat 4 if anyone has that (that would help a lot!)))
3.How is the YouTube app in general (playback and browsing.
4.Does it feel/ is it underpowered/ showing its age?
5.Has 4.3 improved things a lot (performance)
6.Should I get one overall?
... Please.
Thank you very much for your time reading this and possibly answering.
Faithfully,
-Riku
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1. I love the performance, and it does not lag at all. I typically turn off animations, transitions, etc because I like the performance better.
2. I don't really play games on it
3. YouTube works great for me even HD, and I use it all the time
4. In comparison my various phones, ipad and cheap Nextbook tablet, this one stands out
5. Yes on most newer android devices
6. Yes. I recommend the current Samsung version over the new Asus version that is soon to be released
I agree except for one thing there is some lag sometimes but mostly smooth and the home screen reloads sometimes when leaving an app that uses lots of memory. But that is very unnoticeable and its a great tablet. I think I'll keep it for another year and a half or 2 before getting a new one
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Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
I honestly thank everyone of you (check your comment) for helping!
#Nexus
Strike_Riku said:
Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
I honestly thank everyone of you (check your comment) for helping!
#Nexus
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1. Watching videos and browsing the web
2. No, the current version is great. If you want to save money look for one used
3. None
4. The only accessory I have is a usb-otg cable, picked up from Amazon for 2 bucks.
5. No
6. $250 from classified ad
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Strike_Riku said:
Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
I honestly thank everyone of you (check your comment) for helping!
#Nexus
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1. I generally use it for watching video's and browsing. I do play some games from time to time.
2. I dont the new one will be much better. This is a top of the line tablet that will last some time. And I heard Asus has bad products.
3. I dont have a case. But I dont travel with it. I hate cases.
4. I have a sleeve. Not really necessary but always handy. Also an anti glare screen protector may come to use but since the screen will be more pixellated its not for me.
5. No I have never had any problems with it being a dual core. I have to say that I never owned something quad core.
6. I got mine imported from Amazon total: €500. I feel stupid because a week later media markt started to sell it for €400 (before that the Nexus 10 wasnt for sale here)... So I wasted €100..
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Strike_Riku said:
Hey guys.
I am looking at picking one of these up soon but I have a few things I would like to know from an honest person in an honest opinion.
Can someone tell me all or one of the answers to:
1.How is the general UI performance? (Lags, frame drops)
2.How do games hold up? (Again, frame rates and lags (especially N.O.V.A 3 & Modern Combat 4 if anyone has that (that would help a lot!)))
3.How is the YouTube app in general (playback and browsing.
4.Does it feel/ is it underpowered/ showing its age?
5.Has 4.3 improved things a lot (performance)
6.Should I get one overall?
... Please.
Thank you very much for your time reading this and possibly answering.
Faithfully,
-Riku
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Hi,
1 - I never found a problem with the UI, very fast and smooth, my only problem was with the stock launcher, but you can get a third party one and solve it haha.
2 - The games look nice and have no problems, however I was disappointed with Gameloft, because the games looks much better on my S4 than on Nexus 10, about framedrops no worries, but if you want the BEST graphics go for other games (like Ravensword which looks amazing).
3 - YouTube app is great, the UI is really nice! And playback is normal, the only problem is that it misses 1080p playback I believe, but that's a YT app problem, so you might wait for an update to have this.
4 - Nope, I never used something as fast as this haha. Soon Nexus 10 2 will be released, but this one is still a beast.
5 - I believe, my device got much smoother after it. Also, I always used a video (FullHD, FLAC audio, mkv) to test the versions. Galaxy S4 4G on 4.3 run with many lags, Nexus 10 on 4.2.1 was able to run with heavy lags (unwatchable), on 4.2.2 it ran with some lags and on 4.3 I can watch with no lags at all . So I can say that something was improved haha.
6 - If you don't want to wait for the Nexus 10 2, go for Nexus 10 surely! It's a beast and you won't get disappointed. However if I were you, I'd give a look in Xperia Tablet Z too, as people say it's as powerful as Nexus.
Hope this helps ,
~Lord
"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)
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Strike_Riku said:
Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
I honestly thank everyone of you (check your comment) for helping!
#Nexus
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Will answer this to complete my other post.
1 - I use it to write my fanfic, to read some things, navigate on the web, watch videos/movies and play games.
2 - Not sure, you must give a look. Remember the next one is Asus, which is very different from Samsung, if you don't like Asus go for this one surely, however I'd wait.
3 - I have the Poetic Case with Keyboard, which is amazing, very good and premium feel, also the keyboard is great for typing . I only miss a trackpad in the keyboard, but u can understand why they didn't put one hehe.
(Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AG0D61O)
4 - Pogo Cable for faster charging, USB OTG Cable, Micro HDMI Cable, and the case I said in item 3.
5 - Nope. It's a Cortex A15 with a beast GPU, Cortex A15 is very good and fast, you won't find any problems. There's a misunderstanding about cores that I'll resume like this: More Cores ≠ More Speed. Like I already said my Nexus 10 can run videos my S4 can't, Nexus is dual core and my S4 is quad. It can multitask goodly and even run a PC OS (CompleteLinuxInstaller) so you will not have any problem with it being Dual Core dude.
6 - I bought mine from amazon and paid 550$ (without shipping, including shipping price I think it was plus 30$, but I was getting a Galaxy S4 and the case together so the shipping price may vary). Iy was bought back in June I believe. Oh, I got the 32GB version.
"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)
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Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions?...
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1. primary uses: a) audio recording & editing (using a USB mic & powered hub), b) image editing, c) up- and downloading photography and other content, d) calendaring & to-do organizing, e) e-mailing, f) SMS messaging sync'ed with my phone, g) writing, h) Internet browsing, i) participating in online forums, j) using it as a cable TV remote, k) listening to Pandora, l) viewing YouTube and Netflix videos, m) shopping on Amazon and n) killin' me some lowdown egg-stealin' piggies with some strategically slingshot birds!
2. should you wait?: no, jump in... it's a great device!
3. case: the black Google book cover. I really like the look & grippy feel of the N10's back... and the flip cover's cool because: a) it's thin & minimal, giving you a more visually clean and tactilely direct experience of your tablet, b) it's easy to install and extremely well integrated, c) it magnetically awakens the device and puts it to sleep and d) it efficiently protects the screen between uses. In addition, I use a $6 neoprene sleeve for travel.
4. accessories: a) pogo plug (excellent charging, ∅ wear & tear on the USB port... it's a no brainer), b) an On-The-Go male micro to female standard USB pigtail for data transmission, c) external Bluetooth speakers, d) Bluetooth mouse, e) Bluetooth keyboard, f) collapsible stand, g) HDMI cable for viewing videos with your honey, h) flash memory storage.
My favorite tablet accessory is a WiFi LAN Windows desktop computer, which is the perfect large-screen mass-storage device.
5. the chipset is absolutely great!
6. Google Play Store / 32Gb / 499 USD
Strike_Riku said:
Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
I honestly thank everyone of you (check your comment) for helping!
#Nexus
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Heya! I personally am of quite a different opinion than others here (mainly on point 2), so bear with me.
1. I use it for social networking, Hangouts, and especially so: News. Through both Google+ and Pulse. Gaming, also, some 3D some more basic (Bloons TD, for example). Works great for this, except the frame-rate in Pulse for vertical scrolling isn't that great. Just FYI, I get anywhere from 5-7 hours of screen-on time per day, on average, with that use pattern.
2. YES. Absolutely no question: yes. People say that if you always wait for the next one, you'll always be waiting. That's just plain impatient right now. If there is a new one, it'll be out in less than a month most likely. You'll be getting the latest hardware, something that can properly power this beast of a display, and you'll also be getting a second-gen product, which in the case of the Nexus 7 was a MASSIVE improvement. I personally find that the RAM isn't enough on this device; about ~800MB is devoted to video, meaning you only get actually around 800-900MB for app use. The Nexus 4 performs MUCH better with multitasking than the Nexus 10 for this reason. Launcher reloads are common. Chrome doesn't hold a tab for more than 30 seconds reliably.
I also do see frame drops frequently. I have a keen eye for this, IMO; the SoC in the Nexus 10 simply doesn't have the oomph to handle this display based on my experiences.
If you wait, there is no downside. You'll be able to get a used N10 cheaper, and you'll also have the option of the much-improved new model. Don't listen to the people saying "don't get ASUS!!!! They ssuuuuckk!". I had a TF101 and a TF300. The only things holding them back were SSDs with poor I/O performance, and the facts show that Google has forced them to iron out these issues with both Nexus 7s. An ASUS Nexus 10 will be amazing.
3. None! This thing is pretty durable. I have a few scratches on the back, but not very noticeable. I even dropped it down a small flight of concrete/brick stairs once, with only minor scuffs to two corners! That impressed me. (No, I never let it happen again 0_0)
4. MagNector if you go original, Qi charger if you go new model! Also, a USB On-The-Go (OTG) adapter.
5. Not in the slightest. This thing is incredible at single or dual-threaded tasks. Still in the benchmarks in the top 3, generally. The GPU is what I'm more worried about.
6. eBay, about 4 months ago for $420! 32GB model.
Hope that helps you out in your decisions!
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4. I also use a stylus, which you may find more feasible than a mouse.
Strike_Riku said:
Hey guys.
I am looking at picking one of these up soon but I have a few things I would like to know from an honest person in an honest opinion.
Can someone tell me all or one of the answers to:
1.How is the general UI performance? (Lags, frame drops)
2.How do games hold up? (Again, frame rates and lags (especially N.O.V.A 3 & Modern Combat 4 if anyone has that (that would help a lot!)))
3.How is the YouTube app in general (playback and browsing.
4.Does it feel/ is it underpowered/ showing its age?
5.Has 4.3 improved things a lot (performance)
6.Should I get one overall?
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Let me begin by agreeing with CWalkop that you should definitely wait a week to see what the new Nexus 10 looks like, as it will almost certainly be announced this week.
1. Pretty good, but I get the feeling there's some light lag. Very occasionally the keyboard or app will freeze up for a second, but it's pretty rare. As Android goes, not sure you'll find much better.
2. I don't play games.
3. Youtube plays back fine, other than the inherent limitations of their app.
4. Doesn't feel underpowered, but then I haven't tried the new generation of tablets. It's running the first Cortex A15 chip and it goes toe-to-toe in CPU benchmarks with recently released tablets, though the GPU has been surpassed. I wish it was big.LITTLE, ie quad-core with two more Cortex A7 cores, so that it could save power in light use, but considering nobody else is doing that well yet, no big loss.
5. 4.3 helped, particularly fixing a memory leak in 4.2.2 and seemingly increasing battery life a little.
6. Hmm, this is a tough question. It was arguably the best Android tablet available at the beginning of the year, which is why I bought it for my first tablet. But WQXGA 2560x1600 is overkill for tablet resolution, you're probably better off with a Full HD 1920x1080 screen that won't drain your battery as fast. Also, the new iPad Air is 1 lb flat, hopefully lighter Android tablets are on the way, as this one can feel somewhat heavy. I'd never buy Apple, but something to think about if you do. I think it all depends if the strengths of this tablet fit your needs, but I'm happy with my purchase.
Strike_Riku said:
Thank you all guys!
If you don't mind, can I ask a few more questions? (My apologies if I come off as rude!)
1. What is YOUR primary use?
2. Do you think I should wait for (if) there is a new version? (Low budget)
3. What case do you have on (if one at all!)
4. What accessories do you recommend I buy?
5. Does the dual core bother you?
6. Where and how much did you buy yours from/for
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1. I use it for web browsing and watching some videos. I've also used it for torrenting, with the aDownloader app, and it gets surprisingly very good torrent speeds.
2. As I said above, definitely wait, as prices will almost certainly fall more when the new one comes out.
3. No case, I only use it around the house.
4. I haven't bought any. Google never released a pogo charger or dock, which I'd have considered buying.
5. Not at all, you will never notice it, as confirmed by the linked benchmarks above.
6. Google Play Store for $500 for the 32 GB version, came to $550 with tax and shipping.