Hi Guys,
So I've just put a deposit down on the S4 with Carphone Warehouse, as I've waited so long for something worthy of replacing my S2 I had to have one, but I've missed the S3 generation entirely, so I'm not sure what the story is with the Exynos processors...
Basically, I don't care about flashing custom ROMs on my phone at all, I went through all that with my old HTC HD2 just in an effort to make it usable, but thats not really necessary anymore. I would, however, like to root my S4. Is this something thats likely to be possible in the not too distant future, or will Samsungs reluctance to help Devs put an end to this as well as custom ROMs?
shortie1987 said:
Hi Guys,
So I've just put a deposit down on the S4 with Carphone Warehouse, as I've waited so long for something worthy of replacing my S2 I had to have one, but I've missed the S3 generation entirely, so I'm not sure what the story is with the Exynos processors...
Basically, I don't care about flashing custom ROMs on my phone at all, I went through all that with my old HTC HD2 just in an effort to make it usable, but thats not really necessary anymore. I would, however, like to root my S4. Is this something thats likely to be possible in the not too distant future, or will Samsungs reluctance to help Devs put an end to this as well as custom ROMs?
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Yes possible and easily unlike other manufacturers.
Just don't expect CM.
That is good to hear I'm not really bothered about CM anyways to be honest, I ran it for a while on the S2 but preferred the working touchwiz experience to the stock, not working CM at the time...
Its easy to root but development wont be so good if you are going to get exynos model. Qualcomm is another story,opposite..
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I think in the UK on 3g networks I'll be on the Exynos model anyways... but that's the one I want so I'm happy with that!
uvaman said:
Its easy to root but development wont be so good if you are going to get exynos model. Qualcomm is another story,opposite..
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LOOOOOOOL
I believe chainfire said he already has rooted an s4, by virtual means (remotely)
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Wow, he might be using an emulator to simulate the s4 rom. Maybe just a guess
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So as my old thread kinda pointed out before, the Samsung slider Verizon was getting was awfully similar to our Epics in appearance. And guess what? it is real and it's being released soon. So what I found to be interesting about it is that it runs on the exact same hardware as the Epic! Well, that is, excluding the processor -__- while we have a single core 1ghz processor, the Verizon slider will sport a dualcore 1.2ghz processor. The real reason behind this post is this: this to me sounds like the closest sibling our Epic has in the Galaxy S family thus far, so with the processors being the only real difference, will we be able to port anything from it over to the Epic and/or will their source help us in any way to further advance development on our Epics? Hmmm...
http://www.mydaily-gadget.com/news/...g-stratosphere-fcc-release-date-verizon-specs
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Well, that one would hurt. So, they have a stable, problem free Cingerbread on that phone already? EDIT..it doesn't say that's going to be dual core for certain. They are comparing the stats of the Galaxy S2
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Well, that one would hurt. So, they have a stable, problem free Cingerbread on that phone already? EDIT..it doesn't say that's going to be dual core for certain. They are comparing the stats of the Galaxy S2
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So there still might be some hope for us afterall. The mandatory 18 month support deal google is enforcing now means that this Verizon slider will hopefully get up to ICS, and if we can hopefully find something useful from it ( like port some of its ROMs, kernels, use some of its source) then we might have a shot at extending the Epics "life" right? I'm being hopeful because as bad as I want to jump ship to a new device, I'm not ready to give up my physical keyboard just yet.
EDIT: ok, just reread it JC and your right. As of now, all the hardware specs coincide with our Epics, the processor it will be porting is yet to be announced. It does say it'll be a "budget phone" in another article I read, so considering high end devices at the moment are sporting dual core processor 1.2ghz and up, I'm willing to be it will also be a 1ghz single core like ours
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Well, that one would hurt. So, they have a stable, problem free Cingerbread on that phone already? EDIT..it doesn't say that's going to be dual core for certain. They are comparing the stats of the Galaxy S2
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Unfortunately I wouldn't doubt it. The Galaxy S line(Not 2) was handled horribly. We should have been like Samsungs personal nexus line with support and updates, but not a single phone got that. Which isn't bad in all truth. But it could have went better with ICS coming soon.
Also aren't we still within 18 months? It's been a year but not too much over it.
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Yeah especially if we were basically Samsung's testers for Gingerbread on another similar device. I don't know enough about development to know if ROMs could be easily ported from it
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Everything I saw about the stratosphere showed it to be exactly like the epic, just for VZW. Been waiting for it as my girlfriend has VZW and her renewal is this month. And the leaked pics I've seen of it show 2.3.4, so maybe if we're lucky we'll see the source for that and can put something together from it if we don't see official GB released by then..
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Unfortunately I wouldn't doubt it. The Galaxy S line(Not 2) was handled horribly. We should have been like Samsungs personal nexus line with support and updates, but not a single phone got that. Which isn't bad in all truth. But it could have went better with ICS coming soon.
Also aren't we still within 18 months? It's been a year but not too much over it.
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The 18 month support policy wasn't being enforced until just recently so our Epic's, I'm guessing, won't get further than GB (officially speaking of course) Korey also stated that GB would be the final "dying breath" of the Epic support wise. So this could be our final chance at a big helping hand in development...
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Highly doubt this will be relevant at all. Thinking there will be similarities in driver code is akin to thinking there was going to be similarities in our epics and other galaxy s's. And we all know how well that turned out.
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Highly doubt this will be relevant at all. Thinking there will be similarities in driver code is akin to thinking there was going to be similarities in our epics and other galaxy s's. And we all know how well that turned out.
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Well what this handset has that the rest of the other handsets dnt is the hardware keyboard which I heard was a problem devs had a rough time with considering the other galaxy s counter parts had no hardware keyboard. Also, the rest of the hardware matches perfectly, all we need is the processor to be announced. I'm thinking this handset will help us out a bit somehow, but then again, I'm no dev, so take my "hopefulness" with a grain of salt
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QUOTE=squshy 7;17522647]Highly doubt this will be relevant at all. Thinking there will be similarities in driver code is akin to thinking there was going to be similarities in our epics and other galaxy s's. And we all know how well that turned out.
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Try not to get too excited, the article that the op posted mentioned that that this phone may be Verizons gsII contender. The only thing that may be similar is the cameras. Then again that's what we said about the nexus s...
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QUOTE=squshy 7;17522647]Highly doubt this will be relevant at all. Thinking there will be similarities in driver code is akin to thinking there was going to be similarities in our epics and other galaxy s's. And we all know how well that turned out.
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Try not to get too excited, the article that the op posted mentioned that that this phone may be Verizons gsII contender. The only thing that may be similar is the cameras. Then again that's what we said about the nexus s...
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Accidently thanked you...
The camera will be different(1.3megapixel ffc) we have a .3megapixel
The keyboard however will be the same, 4 android butttons 4 capacitive android buttons 4" screen, the 5megapixel cam the same.
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I think it will be similar. Verizon rehashed the Evo a little less than a year later. Verizon only has 1 dual core 4G phone. Finally, Verizon said they weren't getting a GSII variant and if this was dualcore, it would probably be considered a GSII variant just like the epic is.
Well they also have a better screen because they have a super amoled plus instead of a super amoled so they don't have to deal with weird subpixels.
Epic 4G, is that you?
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Well I guess best we can do at this point Is hope we can pull some dev off this device. But hey. hope is better then nothing.
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corythug said:
Well I guess best we can do at this point Is hope we can pull some dev off this device. But hey. hope is better then nothing.
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Yeah, that would work as well. In any case, even if their source or porting any of their stuff doesn't help us, their device community would still be of great value to us.
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Is it feasible that international note roms could be ported to the AT&T notes by reorienting the kernel and modifying the ROM like with the original galaxy s?
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I would think so...maybe some kind of hellraise action....i was actually thinking about that the other day...my buddy has the AT&T Note
I don't think so, the internals are quite different.
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I don't think so, the internals quite different.
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Yep. Porting stuff from N7000 to ATT would require the same amount of effort as building Roms from scratch.
I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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Good Luck and Enjoy.
marcusva79 said:
I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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Sorry to see you Marcus, you've been a great asset to the evo community. Too bad you couldn't hold out till June for the LtEVO.
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I'm in the same boat, but my charging port fell out last year With sprints TEP now being $11, (starting in June) I'm wondering which phone will be more durable, the Galaxy Nexus or Evo 4g LTE?
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I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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Same here man. I don't remember the last time I used an EVO Sense ROM. I will probably be joining you.
Hope I will see some familiar faces soon.
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Hope I will see some familiar faces soon.
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I'm gona be on that galaxy S III train, for sure.
Offically have the Galaxy Nexus. Love it!
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Offically have the Galaxy Nexus. Love it!
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What persuaded you to go that route vs. the EVO LTE? I mean, Sense is way toned down with the new 4.0, and seems to not do much but enhance the experience. Just want to point out that I haven't ran a Sense ROM in about 6 months either, but the new version seems nice, and the hardware on the LTE is absolutely sick!
Anyway, I'm asking because I'm in the Nexus vs. EVO LTE vs. GSIII boat right now...
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I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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I really like the HTC hardware, but haven't used sense in forever. Conundrum. Hopefully the Evo will get AOSP/CM/AOKP right quick.
Congrats on your new phone. I'll miss your posts of battery use screenshots lol
Enjoy your nexus. Thanks for what you've done here.
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My brother has the nexus and I really liked it. I hardly used any sense widgets and any sense apps. Just mainly downloaded them from the market. Sense 4.O could be good. I'm fine with what I got
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LTeVO
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To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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exactly
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imheroldman said:
To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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Go check the other evolte threads where scottspa quoted toastch from the twrp thread in the onex forum. HTC has forked up the unlock so badly you cannot flash firmware once unlocked, USB connection is unavailable in recovery mode so you can't flash the boot partition, system partition meaning without and exploit to gain s-off access to the bootloader the htcdev unlock is essentially useless for flashing roms/radios, any kind of p*img.zip, onlyway to flash any kind of upgrades currently is thru an ruu. HTC locking their bootloaders and giving a halfassed unlock method as some kind of joke/tease is why I currently will not purchase another HTC device. I'm not giving my money to a company who claims to support developers by giving them a halfcocked useless tool to unlock what shouldn't be locked in the firstplace. Samsung doesn't lock the bootloader they just implemented a flash count that triggers anytime you flash an unsecured kernel, its easily reset using a USB jig or if you're on ics an app called triangle away by chainfire. Rooting is as simple as running a prerooted firmware thru Odin/heimdall and Samsung is now releasing source prior to the ota and are dropping updates as quickly as they are stable. After I had a Samsung intercept as my first android device Samsung left a bad taste in my mouth and I went to the HTC evo, as if had several HTC winmo phones and liked them. Then I was given an ET4G sprints version of the sgs2 and realized how much of an improvement Samsung has made in the 2 years since I had my intercept. Now HTC goes and forks around with the monkey business of locking the bootloader then giving an unlock method thats about as useful as a broken key to your front door, so now you gotta spend alot of time and effort attempting to break in your own Backdoor with out damaging anything
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So I'm trying to consider whether I will purchase the International version or the LTE Canadian version...
I know that in terms of the processor's, quite frankly, they are identical for performance, with the LTE having better cores but the International having 4, so this isn't exactly a problem of "which is better"..
What I'm curious about, is how easy/likely are ports of ROMs and Mods going to be from the international version to the LTE version? Because quite frankly even if the Canadian version is outright better I want some dev support.. :/
What do you guys think? Same dilemma as with the HOX intn'l vs LTE ><
I will take LTE speeds and the 2 GB memory...
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I will take LTE speeds and the 2 GB memory...
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No yeah they seem awesome and the CPU will perform pretty much identically, but I really like the dev community the HTC Desire Z had and I want something similar :/
There probably wont be many ports of international roms if any at all. Though, if the Canadian and US versions are the same that will certainly bring more to the lte version in the way of development.
I'm getting the international version version for several reasons.
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Look at the one x american dev and you'll get your answer D: no love from devs for S4 based phones....
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Look at the one x american dev and you'll get your answer D: no love from devs for S4 based phones....
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look at the intl note and the american note dev, you will get your answer
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look at the intl note and the american note dev, you will get your answer
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Not sure i found the answer lol
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Lol the amswer is that if the device is astonishing both versions will have great devs
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Look at the one x american dev and you'll get your answer D: no love from devs for S4 based phones....
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Well i mean it does have over 60 thread on it ! That's not too shabby.. I want a way to get the phone cheap but there's no way bell will carry the international version i may just have to wait for the next nexus.. *sigh* this coulda been cool haha, expecting as much development as the s2
I have an upgrade available and am considering moving from the One to the SGS 4.
I'm on AT&T. From what I've been reading,and I've been reading for a while now, if my SGS 4 comes with the latest firmware out of the box, I can root it, but Loki, therefore custom ROMS and recovery are out. Is this correct?
I was hoping to be able to put the Google edition ROM on the SGS 4.
Someone please set me straight.
Please and thanks
Correct, if it has the latest firmware than no flashing roms
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Correct, if it has the latest firmware than no flashing roms
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Thanks. I'm going to look awful funny making the guy open the box and check the firmware version before I buy, but I guess I'll have to.
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Thanks. I'm going to look awful funny making the guy open the box and check the firmware version before I buy, but I guess I'll have to.
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The firmware version is on the side of the box, if I am not mistaken. I just got my S4 shipped directly from AT&T. It came with MDL.
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And mdl is what I want right?
If you want to install custom ROMs, yes.
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Typically, at least from what ive seen, the ATT box will have an "Updated" sticker on it if the firmware has been updated. My GS3 had that.
I have both the One and the S4. I don't think I'd give up the one for the s4.
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Eallan I'm just bored. Probably keep both phones and switch around
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Eallan I'm just bored. Probably keep both phones and switch around
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That's what I've been doing haha.
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Just go to the store and ask the sales tech to find one that ends in MDL and NOT one that ends in MF3.
It sounds crazy or embarrassing, but it is not! Certainly it is not illegal or wrong to do this.
Others have done that and the AT&T folks really don't care, or if they do select another sales person or even another store (like Best Buy or even Costco and Radio Shack! Those other stores may even have better insurance plans than AT&Ts!)
(As to which phone. ...the HTC One is prettier, and it is unique in design, but would you be happy with less/slower ram, no changeable battery, no SD card, and a smaller screen? The S4 also has some very nice camera options that seem (to me at least) a bit better than the HTC One. Of course, it is all personal preference . . )
Good Luck!