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HTC One screen reviews: One comes with different display types

HTC One Display Brightness
The HTC One uses an adaptative contrast mechanism for the screen brightness that is in operation even when auto-brightness is off. This mechanism means that brightness settles after each picture change only after a 4-5 seconds, which means that measurements that are taken too quickly can overestimate brightness by 15%, which is why there is a wide fluctuation across all reviews.
At which level brightness settles depends on the average picture level. You can sometimes observe this while browsing: when the content displayed varies between dark and bright content, an adjustment is visible.
In my measurements below, I have indicated the brightness range as well as the typical settled brightness for the standard 100% Voodoo test pattern.
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HTC One Black Levels
Like with brightness, black levels also fluctuate due to the adaptative contrast mechanism:
Content with darker average picture level will be dimmed
Content with brighter content will will brightened
Overall black levels will fluctuate between 0.29cd/m² and 0.55cd/m², so dynamic contrast will be around 1700:1 whereas ANSI (or intra-picture contrast) will be around 1000:1.
Color Temperature: Three phones, three different display calibrations.
Unit 1 (silver)
Fabricated on 12th March 2013 at factory Tierra del Fuego Factory in Argentina (Serial: FA33CWxxxxxx, Panel ID JDI C2_2)
Display: color temperature slightly on the cool side
White color temperature: 6950K (some meters will incorrectly measure this up to 350K higher, especially if not using the right spectral file for the type of display)
Black Level: 0.37cd/m² to 0.50 cd/m²
Black Level (typical voodoo test pattern): 0.43 cd/m²
White Point: 370cd/m² to 490cd/m²
White Point (typical voodoo test pattern): 435cd/m²
Typical Contrast (without adaptative mechanism): 1000:1
ANSI Contrast: 1100:1​Unit 2 (silver)
Fabricated on 3rd April 2013 at Hsinchu, Taiwan factory (Serial: HT343Wxxxxxx, Panel ID JDI C2_2)
Display: neutral color temperature, slightly lower contrat:
White color temperature: 6550K (some meters will incorrectly measure this up to 350K higher, especially if not using the right spectral file for the type of display)
Black Level: 0.50 cd/m² to 0.64cd/m²
Black Level (typical voodoo test pattern): 0.52 cd/m²
White Point: 400cd/m² to 530cd/m²
White Point (typical voodoo test pattern): 466cd/m²
Typical Contrast (with adaptative mechanism): 900:1
Typical ANSI Contrast: 970:1​Unit 3 (black)
Fabricated on 12th April 2013 at factory Tierra del Fuego Factory in Argentina (Serial: FA34CWxxxxxx, Panel ID JDI C2_2)
Display: Even cooler color temperature unit 1 but same brightness and contrast
White color temperature: 7200K (some meters will incorrectly measure this up to 350K higher, especially if not using the right spectral file for the type of display)
Black Level: 0.37cd/m² to 0.50 cd/m²
Black Level (typical voodoo test pattern): 0.43 cd/m²
White Point: 370cd/m² to 490cd/m²
White Point (typical voodoo test pattern): 435cd/m²
Typical Contrast (without adaptative mechanism): 1000:1
ANSI Contrast: 1100:1​Comparison of warmest color temperature on Unit 2 (left) vs. coolest on Unit 3 (right):
Based on the collective reviews of the HTC One including my own measurements, it is now clear that HTC One displays can have different display characteristics in terms or color temperature, contrast and brightness. Even displays with the same Display ID have can have widely fluctuating brightness and color temperature depending on factory calibration.
Settled brightness between 390cd/m² and 475cd/m²
Color Temperature between 6550K to 7350K
ANSI contrast between 930:1 and 1100:1
Currently available reviews for the HTC One Display
Neutral Color Temperature
20.03.2013 GBR pcpro: 481cd/m² brightness | 1202:1 contrast (measured with i1 Display Pro)
20.03.2013 DEU Computerbase.de: 483cd/m² brightness | 1100:1 contrast | 6,600K white temperature (measured with DTP94)
26.03.2013 FRA 01net.fr: 485 cd/m² | 0,29 cd/m² | 1679:1 contrast | 6638K white temperature (measured with Minolta CA-210 and DTP94)
26.03.2013 FRA [email protected] (see below): 466 cd/m² | 0,52 cd/m² | 939:1 contrast | 6650K white temperature (measured with i1 Pro 2)
Medium-High Color Temperature
26.03.2013 DEU [email protected] 463cd/m² brightness | 1073:1 contrast | 6934K white temperature (measured with i1 Pro)
02.04.2013 DEU notebookcheck.com: 488.9cd /m² brightness | 0.23 cd / m² black level | 2117:1 contrast | 7205K white temperature
26.02.2013 RUS 3dnews.ru: 382cd/m² and 1,258:1 contrast | 6,938K white temperature (measured with Spyder 4)
High Color Temperature
14.03.2013 GBR uk.hardware.info: 426cd/m² brightness | 977:1 contrast | 7,820K color temperature (measured with i1 Display Pro)
26.02.2013 RUS 3dnews.ru: 453cd/m² and 1,328:1 contrast | 7,598K white temperature (measured with Spyder 4)
14.03.2013 NLD Tweakers.net: 489cd/m² | 1159:1 contrast | 8,166 color temperature (measured with i1 Display Pro)
26.03.2013 DEU [email protected] 420cd/m² brightness | 1060:1 contrast | 8,130K color temperature (measured with Chroma 5)
28.03.2013 RUS [email protected] 492cd/m² brightness | 1189:1 contrast | 7980K white temperature
Unknown color temperature:
14.03.2013 USA laptopmag: 463cd/m² brightness
19.03.2013 DEU Notebookjournal: 385cd/m² and 1100:1 contrast
19.03.2013 DEU PC Welt 447cd/m² brightness | 1711:1 contrast
20.03.2013 DEU Chip.de: 479cd/m² brightness | 1020:1 contrast
21.03.2013 FRA Les Numériques 460cd/m² | 1568:1 (measured with i1 Pro or i1 Pro 2 tbc.)
21.03.2013 FRA 01.net 480cd/m² brightness | 1,655:1 contrast (measured with Konica Minolta CA-210)
23.03.2013 BGR GSMArena: 647cd/m² brightness | 1541:1 contrast
Having said that, there are still different display calibrations out there, I myself measured "settled" brightness
I will try and keep this updated with new tests to confirm where each screen type can be found.
For reference, here are the luminance ranges of the color testing devices listed above.
i1 pro__________________________ 0.20 cd/m² to 300 cd/m²
i1 pro 2_________________________0.20 cd/m² to 1200 cd/m²
Chroma 5/Sencore Color Pro V_______0.01 cd/m² 1000 cd/m²
Spider 3/4_______________________0.02 cd/m² 5000 cd/m²
i1 Display 2______________._____._.__0.02 cd/m² 3000 cd/m²
i1 Display 3/i1 Display Pro/C6___._____0.003 cd/m² 1200 cd/m²
Konica Minolta CA-210______________0.01cd/m² 1000 cd/m²

Own screen measurements
Here are measurements I conducted today at a Vodafone shop.
White Balance
First of all, let me say that the readings were conducted by i1 Pro, which is certified until 300cd/m². Overall the readings will be very accurate for color temperature, black level, gamma and chromaticty, but maximum brightness may be off by a small margin (to be confimed tomorrow). Unfortunately Calman did not respond to me regarding my license upgrade to Calman5, so I could not use the Chroma5 for this measurement.
I will conduct new readings with the Chroma 5 likely tomorrow. The results are quite close to the PCpro review in terms of brightness and very close to the Russian review in terms of white color temperature (in fact nearly identical). Overall contrast falls in line with most reviews.
White point / maximum brightness: 445cd/m²
Back Level: 0.43cd/m²
Contrast (dynamic): 1034:1
Average gamma: 2.1
White color temperature (read the color tmperature section below): 6934K (same as Russian Review)
Black color temperature (read the color tmperature section below): 8882K
Average color temperature: 7353K
Overall the white balance is good but not perfect.
Color Temperature
The observed white balance translates into color temperature slightly on the cold side but it is colder at low stimulus and warmer towards the white point, which is important for a pleasing browsing experience:
I think displaying color temperature across the whole spectrum is important. Some reviews only mention one value, which can be the average or the white point temperature, but it is hard to interpret taken on its own.
Color decoding / Chromaticity
As far as color accuracy is concerned, the HTC One's display I tested had fairly accurate colors. Only the most critical viewers will detect thes imperfections in daily use.
Based on this measurement, this is more of a type 2 display, however I am not sure about the white point

Sites and reviewers test differently. I think if you look at the One X's performance you'll see it varied from site to site too.
Here's GSMArena's testing methodology. You can see how other sites might test differently and get different results because of it. It's more accurate to compare multiple devices on a single site than it is a single device across multiple sites. Assuming each site uses the same standardized tests a One X to SGS3 comparison on tweakers.net would be more relevant than a One X's performance off tweakers.net compared to a SGS3's peformance off GSMArena.
An important note about AMOLEDs is due here. As AMOLED units have the ability to completely switch off individual pixels, their black level readings are 0, which gives them an infinite contrast ratio under the testing conditions.
When we measure we take two readings off each device - first with the display brightness set to 50% and then with the brightness setting pushed all the way up. We test the handsets in complete darkness, because when ambient light is present, the luminance levels of the blacks displayed goes up, and affects the perceived contrast ratio.
Contrast ratio is very heavily influenced by the black levels of a display. While a brighter display would normally have an advantage, it will usually be unable to compensate for insufficiently deep blacks.
Our sunlight legibility test aims to show you how legible each screen remains in bright environments, where screen reflectivity matters as much as its natural contrast and brightness. We use fixed studio lighting to simulate sunlight falling on the phone screens and measure the contrast ratio of each of them, when faced with this powerful light source. We measure each display with brightness turned up to 100%.​

Re: HTC screen reviews: HTC One comes with different display types
Gsmarena is Bulgarian, not American

Here's a way to find the display type that doesn't require root.
1. Reboot the phone twice to get a clean "last_kmsg" file
2. Use any file manager that gets you to the root directory
3. Navigate to the /proc folder
4. Find "last_kmsg"
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5. Open it on the device or send it to a PC and open it as a text file. Your looking for "panel_id" and "panel_vendor." It's a long ass file so you're better off using an editor with a search feature to search on "panel."
Since there aren't many vendors making 1080P panels I'll bet all One's use the same panel type and it's probably from Renasis (Sharp) like the XZ and DNA.
The AUO (Acer) display on the Teg3 One X is "0x4940014"
The Sharp display on the Teg3 One X is "0x294000f"
The Sony display on the One XL is"0x18103" (The One XL only uses the Sony panel)
The AUO (Acer) display on the One X+ is 0x944a03 (The One X+ only uses the AUO panel)
The DNA uses a Renasis (Sharp) panel (only) but I can't find the ID

jasahu said:
Gsmarena is Bulgarian, not American
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Thanks I was looking for that information yesterday but could not find it. Do you know if this is the parent or did the testers also receive a Bulgarian unit?

BarryH_GEG said:
Sites and reviewers test differently. I think if you look at the One X's performance you'll see it varied from site to site too.
Here's GSMArena's testing methodology. You can see how other sites might test differently and get different results because of it. It's more accurate to compare multiple devices on a single site than it is a single device across multiple sites. Assuming each site uses the same standardized tests a One X to SGS3 comparison on tweakers.net would be more relevant than a One X's performance off tweakers.net compared to a SGS3's peformance off GSMArena.
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I agree with you with regards to black levels but not for brightness.
Brightness cannot move by more than 10% depending on measurement device or testing protocol
Calibration usually never reduces brightness either by more than 15%, except of course if you are calibrating an AMOLED to neutral color temperature.
The fact that there are several display types makes no doubt to me, as HTC like many others used that approach in the past and the brightness results are too different.

BarryH_GEG said:
Here's a way to find the display type that doesn't require root.
1. Reboot the phone twice to get a clean "last_kmsg" file
2. Use any file manager that gets you to the root directory
3. Navigate to the /proc folder
4. Find "last_kmsg"
\
5. Open it on the device or send it to a PC and open it as a text file. Your looking for "panel_id" and "panel_vendor." It's a long ass file so you're better off using an editor with a search feature to search on "panel."
Since there aren't many vendors making 1080P panels I'll bet all One's use the same panel type and it's probably from Renasis (Sharp) like the XZ and DNA.
The AUO (Acer) display on the Teg3 One X is "0x4940014"
The Sharp display on the Teg3 One X is "0x294000f"
The Sony display on the One XL is"0x18103" (The One XL only uses the Sony panel)
The AUO (Acer) display on the One X+ is 0x944a03 (The One X+ only uses the AUO panel)
The DNA uses a Renasis (Sharp) panel (only) but I can't find the ID
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Great stuff I will go to the shops and check it out. Why can't you find the ID on the DNA?

I made a thread about this earlier, but I only got troll responses.
Hope this thread receives actual input, this is kind of an important thing for me.

Hate to throw a spanner in the works here, but it may also be that different firmwares are producing different default colour temperatures. With the One X there were indeed three manufacturers of screen. For the European models it was Acer and Sharp. Acer had been colour fidelity, but less uniform, and not as bright. The sharp was a light cannon, but very cool colour temperature, and better uniformity. However, HTC reduced the disparity through firmware updates!
Therefore, the only true way is if we can find a reliable way of finding the vendor code such as in the log file.
Also I can tell you that I had a Sony Xperia last year. Even though all the screens are made by Sony, there was a huge variance between two supposedly identical phones, as I found out when I compared to a friends.
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The AUO (Acer) display on the Teg3 One X is "0x4940014"
The Sharp display on the Teg3 One X is "0x294000f"
The Sony display on the One XL is"0x18103" (The One XL only uses the Sony panel)
The AUO (Acer) display on the One X+ is 0x944a03 (The One X+ only uses the AUO panel)
The DNA uses a Renasis (Sharp) panel (only) but I can't find the ID
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Absolutely spot on accuracy here. I confirmed the One X+ my wife bought had an identical characteristic to the One X Acer screen I had before. However they seem to have improved the uniformity issues from my original One X.
I also have a suspicion that at least my One uses a Sharp panel and has a number of characteristics similar to the Sharp screen used on the One X. It has a colour temperature that is a bit on the cool side for sure. Although I haven't measured yet, I have a keen eye, and I would have said it was a little over 7000K. I also compared it to my wife's One X+ and it is a bit cooler, but not rediculous (nothing like the S3 which was wildly off). We may find a future firmware update corrects this if the variance between One's with sharp panels is not too severe.

jonstatt said:
Hate to throw a spanner in the works here, but it may also be that different firmwares are producing different default colour temperatures.
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Even if it were true, battery life will still fluctuate depending on the screen type you have, and it is something end users have no control over once the device has been purchased, so may as well test his before purchasing...

puremind said:
Even if it were true, battery life will still fluctuate depending on the screen type you have, and it is something end users have no control over once the device has been purchased, so may as well test his before purchasing...
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You're sort of on a witch hunt. HTC hasn't used two panel vendors on a single device since the Teg3 One X. When they did, none of the characteristics of the phone (EG: power draw, benchmarks) were any different. You're basing all your assumptions on tests conducted by eight different reviewers, using eight different methodologies, and using eight different sets of conditions.
Here's how the Teg3 One X fared in some of those same reviewer's tests. They were all testing a One X with the AUO panel because HTC didn't provide review samples that had the warmer Sharp panel (for good reason). And from being on the One X forum I assure you, as much as that phone was picked apart with a microscope, it there were any impacts to anything but color temperature because of the two different displays it would have been on the front page.
And if you performed the same analysis you did to reach your conclusion on any phone you'd see similar deviations. The deviations are there but it's differences in the reviewer's testing, not the devices themselves. By all means carry on but I think when people begin posting their panel ID’s it’ll most likely show a single display type.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're sort of on a witch hunt. HTC hasn't used two panel vendors on a single device since the Teg3 One X. When they did, none of the characteristics of the phone (EG: power draw, benchmarks) were any different. You're basing all your assumptions on tests conducted by eight different reviewers, using eight different methodologies, and using eight different sets of conditions.
Here's how the Teg3 One X fared in some of those same reviewer's tests. They were all testing a One X with the AUO panel because HTC didn't provide review samples that had the warmer Sharp panel (for good reason). And from being on the One X forum I assure you, as much as that phone was picked apart with a microscope, it there were any impacts to anything but color temperature because of the two different displays it would have been on the front page.
And if you performed the same analysis you did to reach your conclusion on any phone you'd see similar deviations. The deviations are there but it's differences in the reviewer's testing, not the devices themselves. By all means carry on but I think when people begin posting their panel ID’s it’ll most likely show a single display type.
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Please be honest about this. It is not even debatable that maximum brightness has an impact on battery life. Just to prove my point. Take this test:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/handys/2013/htc-one-im-test/5/
Battery time at maximal brightness (383cd/m²): 277 min (4:37)
Battery time at 200cd/m²: 322 min (5:22)
That's 16% more battery for a 58% decrease in brightness. Therefore, if you do the maths, this means an 11% difference in battery performance for web browsing/HD Video between the 650cd/m² model and the 385cd/m² model.
If you apply this to the current GSM Arena battery charts, which were created based on the top brightness model (650cd/m²), you can see that the HTC One climbs further up on the chart.
And this factor is even an underestimation for the GSM charts, because they measure standard definition video as opposed to HD, so the impact of screen brightness in their testing environment should be even more, probably around 20% between the two devices.

puremind said:
Please be honest about this. It is not even debatable that maximum brightness has an impact on battery life. Just to prove my point.
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Do you know what brightness settings each of the reviewer’s used when they tested battery life? I'm willing to bet it's not maximum brightness and that all the phones each of them test are set to some equivalent level that the reviewer applies consistently.
And what you're saying is debatable. Each of the reviewer's data you're quoting is correct; based on their testing methodology. What I'm saying is that the same display is performing within 10+/-% (normal deviation) and that 382cd/m2 from 3Dnews is the same as 647cd/m2 from GSMArena. The display's not performing any differently, it's how their testing that's causing variations. The swings in the One X comparative I provided show that. Do you honestly believe if the delta on One X displays at max brightness was 386 vs. 550 that the owners of the less bright display(s) wouldn't notice? There are 100 pages discussing the difference between the warm Sharp panel vs. the cool AUO panel so it’s not as if owners aren’t conscious of their display’s performance.
So you’re taking something that’s meant to be viewed vertically (EG: comparing multiple devices performance against each other on GSMArena where the same methodology was used) and trying to make it horizontal by taking a single device's results from eight different reviewers and comparing them. It can't work because, again, they all use different methodologies for each of their tests. No analysis based on an undefined or inconsistent baseline can ever be compared. There are just too many variables that can (and do) skew the results. And here’s how to prove this. If you ran the same analysis across the same eight sites for the XZ you’d get a similar result to what you got for the One. Same for any other phone. If what you’re representing were true every device produced would have three display types and wild swings in battery life based on huge variations in brightness. We know that’s not the case because it would be all over each devices respective XDA forum.
Here's one of GSMArena's battery tests.
The web browsing test is performed using an automated script which reloads a webpage every ten seconds. There are no flash elements on the web pages, so the playing field is even. The brightness of the phones' displays is set to 50% and we use a Wireless N router placed a few meters away to get full connectivity bars.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're sort of on a witch hunt. HTC hasn't used two panel vendors on a single device since the Teg3 One X. When they did, none of the characteristics of the phone (EG: power draw, benchmarks) were any different. You're basing all your assumptions on tests conducted by eight different reviewers, using eight different methodologies, and using eight different sets of conditions.
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No disrespect, but you don't seem to be intimately familiar with screen calibration. The difference between the top level of observed brightness and the lowest one is huge. Not difference is testing conditions, protocol or testing devices can explain such a difference (650cd/m² to 385cd/m²).
If testing devices had such error margins, it would be a well known fact amongst professional calibrators, and no one would hire their services because essentially eye calibration would not be any less accurate than measured calibration...Please be serious.
As someone who had calibrated many displays, and repeated measurements with different measurement devices and under different conditions, please trust me when I say that brightness measurements are very stable and reliable, using even the cheapest colorimeters (chromaticity and black levels are more sensitive to the device used but brightness is easy).

This thread makes me nervous. When the One X come out, I had access to several handsets at once, all of which displayed different tints when on boot screen or recovery screen. Some white some yellowed.
Is this the same with the One? Are there cool and warm screens?

puremind said:
No disrespect, but you don't seem to be intimately familiar with screen calibration.
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No disrespect, but you don't seem very familiar with comparative analytics which are the crux of your conclusions.
This is from the site you posted with the lowest cd/m2 score for the One. The One's performance against the One X+ matches up to GSMArena's comparison of the same two devices even though GSMArena's relative cd/m2 score for both devices was almost double. If the One's they each had didn't have screens that were performing similarly the deviation against the One X+ would have been pretty obvious to both of them.
Maximum brightness has remained virtually unchanged from the HTC One X +: was 373 cd / m 2, was 10 candelas more. But seriously change the contrast: on the already considerable 862:1 she grew up in half and is now 1258:1.​

BarryH_GEG said:
Same for any other phone. If what you’re representing were true every device produced would have three display types and wild swings in battery life based on huge variations in brightness. We know that’s not the case because it would be all over each devices respective XDA forum.
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Who spoke about wild swings in battery life? I gave you a figure (11% for a 58% difference in brightness) based on 1 testing environment, 1 testing device, 1 reviewer. The difference is there. In fact, I even have no doubt that the difference could be more when testing SD videos instead of HD videos like in the test I quoted or that this percentage could be higher when starting from a much higher brightness point.
I read the GSMArena testing setup. Based on this, the difference is probably even larger than in my estimate for their own setting. As you said, not all settings will produce the same differences. The GSM set up for video testing was less demanding in terms of video processing, therefore the impact of screen brightness should be even greater!
The fact that battery life is impacted by maximum screen brightness is just not debatable, especially if what you say is true and it is only one and the same display. This actually precludes any other factors such as different display energy efficiency between different display models from making the brighter display brightness somehow equally energy efficient than the lower brightness display.
If what you say is true, then the battery difference is just not questionable. if screens had been different, I could have agreed that the brighter screen could have been as energy efficient due to different technology, but as it stands, light must be produced with energy and more light with more energy..

BarryH_GEG said:
No disrespect, but you don't seem very familiar with comparative analytics which are the crux of your conclusions.
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Comparative analytics reinforce my point - the computerbase setup is actually more forgiving for screen brightness than the GSMArena one (focus on HD Video means the proportion of battery loss explained by brightess vs. that explained by video processing is less vs the GSM Arena setting), so based on comparative analytics, the difference would be even greater than 11%. That will teach me for understating battery improvements in my table just to not appear to arbitrarily inflate my results!

puremind said:
If what you say is true, then the battery difference is just not questionable.
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Of course it is. Your assumption, based on a flawed comparative resulting in a flawed conclusion, is that each One built could have a display that varies from 382-647cd/m2 and therefore battery performance could vary accordingly. I'm saying there's most likely a single panel used on the One and the difference in brightness between any two panels is no more than 10+/-% due to manufacturing tolerances and that all One's will have similar battery life when used the same way. If you're right this thread will balloon in to 100+ pages and end up a sticky because the lucky winners of the "screen lottery" you're describing that draw 382cd/m2 displays will be up in arms. If I'm right this thread will die out fairly quickly as the deviation you're hypothesizing only exists on paper.

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I can't see your concept image but the spec you listed is kind of obvious and at list some of it will most likely be a part of its spec. small fine tuning corrections though: with such spec and sony favoring razor like designs: height should be 150 mm or slightly more, thickness 8.5-9mm, weight 170-180 grams, its edges are rumored to be more rounded then Z2.

amirprog said:
I can't see your concept image but the spec you listed is kind of obvious and at list some of it will most likely be a part of its spec. small fine tuning corrections though: with such spec and sony favoring razor like designs: height should be 150 mm or slightly more, thickness 8.5-9mm, weight 170-180 grams, its edges are rumored to be more rounded then Z2.
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and Z2 is 146.8 x 73.3 x 8.2 mm
so for Z3 of course,will be a bit longer & wider as uses 5.5" (my concept) which is 148 x 75 x 7.2 mm
for 7.2mm would be lighter,155grams...

I can see your image now. i like your concept. looks nice, clean, authentic. i hope sony is staying with glass and metal sides materials - reception friendly.
though, even if it will be wider and taller i still doubt less then 8mm thickness for a phone with such spec plus most likely new internals like WQHD resolution, etc. i watch Z2 tear down and the camera sensor looks almost as thick as the phone thickness, it's crazy. don't forget that. if they make the camera sensor smaller then maybe. i would be amazed and happy if sony can design it with 7.2mm thickness. look at find 7 with 5.5 WQHD display - 9.2mm, but because sony know design better then oppo i'd bet on 8-8.2mm - same as Z2. also, i wonder if the rounded edges will look like in your concept or rounded all around let's say like oppo find 7. is sony staying with omnibalance design? their designer said in an interview that they would like to make a new design... many questions... it would be better if you add a two tone camera LED - i bet sony will add it. it's becoming a standard.

If that screen is 5,5 with that many bezel than than would be SO FKING HUGE!

SkyS1gn said:
If that screen is 5,5 with that many bezel than than would be SO FKING HUGE!
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Not huge at all, considering the big camera sensor, waterproofing design and bigger battery, etc and the phone profile thinness. it's all relative to what internals a phone has.

amirprog said:
not huge at all, considering the big camera sensor, waterproofing design and bigger battery, etc. it's all relative to what internals a phone has.
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His concept picture is basically a Z1 from the front/back, the bezels are huge, and if you couple that with the 5,5 screen, you get a totally waste of space phone what you cant even handle.
The spec is reasonable.
The only compains what i hear from reviews is that the Z2 is awkward to handle, but i dont care i have big hands.
5 and 5,2" OK, if they want to go bigger, they'll need to seriously reduce those bezels.

SkyS1gn said:
His concept picture is basically a Z1 from the front/back, the bezels are huge, and if you couple that with the 5,5 screen, you get a totally waste of space phone what you cant even handle.
The spec is reasonable.
The only compains what i hear from reviews is that the Z2 is awkward to handle, but i dont care i have big hands.
5 and 5,2" OK, if they want to go bigger, they'll need to seriously reduce those bezels.
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You realistically cannot go further with screen size. I could actually see the screen remaining 5,2" but bezel reducing and the size of the phone reducing compared to the Z2. Ideally, you'd want the top and bottom bezels to be as small as possible and nearly none on the sides. That I would consider a buy. Any additional increase in size and I'd have to give up on these phones...
And it's not just hand size, it's also pocketability. I have an ultra and although it fits in my jeans pockets, it's just too big. You can't sit with it, move around, without risking to actually break the thing (which I thing IS the reason why people say the screens crack);

globiboulga said:
You realistically cannot go further with screen size. I could actually see the screen remaining 5,2" but bezel reducing and the size of the phone reducing compared to the Z2. Ideally, you'd want the top and bottom bezels to be as small as possible and nearly none on the sides. That I would consider a buy. Any additional increase in size and I'd have to give up on these phones...
And it's not just hand size, it's also pocketability. I have an ultra and although it fits in my jeans pockets, it's just too big. You can't sit with it, move around, without risking to actually break the thing (which I thing IS the reason why people say the screens crack);
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There is no such thing as ideal for all, only personal preference. ideal for you is not necessarily ideal for me. Z3-4 are very likely to have 5.5" WQHD display and actually all the future flagships because the fact that there are no IPS panels with less then 5.5" for 2k resolution. plus, sony made the compact line for people who want smaller flagships. i personally glad that the new standard will be 5.5" for mid sized flagships. i'm willing to accept less pocketability for bigger display and better spec. nothing is perfect.
in my opinion the ultra has arrived to the borderline of pocketable phones. bigger device then the ultra should be marketed as a device that can be carried in a bag... more like tablet.

Z2 storage is expandable up to 128 (official info), and your Z3 concept will be limited to 64 gb
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isn't the current z2 big enough? It's super chunky

Naiks20 said:
isn't the current z2 big enough? It's super chunky
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This.
If it were 5.5 inches I wouldn't buy it as for everyday use it wouldn't be great.
4.7-5.2 inches are the best screen sizes for a phone in my opinion.
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chinedu40 said:
This.
If it were 5.5 inches I wouldn't buy it as for everyday use it wouldn't be great.
4.7-5.2 inches are the best screen sizes for a phone in my opinion.
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Then your only future daily driver flagship option is to follow sony compact line (its successor is predicted to have slightly bigger display - 4.5-4.7") or companies that still make 5.0" flagships. most if not ALL OEM's future mid sized flagships from now on will carry 5.5" display. find 7>OnePlus One>G3>Z3, etc. read the news.

amirprog said:
Then your only future daily driver flagship option is to follow sony compact line (its successor is predicted to have slightly bigger display - 4.5-4.7") or companies that still make 5.0" flagships. most if not ALL OEM's future mid sized flagships from now on will carry 5.5" display. find 7>OnePlus One>G3>Z3, etc. read the news.
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I doubt that this is going to happen. I can see them going to mayb 5.3 inches max, but i think anything from 5.5 inches and above is a phablet and I think manufacturers are aware of the ever increasing screen size problem.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with 5.5 inches, but the phone either becomes too wide, too long or both and this makes it rather uncomfortable to use every day and with one hand.

Things I think Sony can improve/add on next phones:
- IP68 instead of IP58 (better dust protection).
- Optical image stabilization instead of Digital image stabilization.
- High FPS recording mode where you can choose, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] **maybe: [email protected] and [email protected], Can S805 handle this?
- Internal memory, user should be able to choose between 16/32/64GB models, just like Apple do.
- Micro USB 3.0.
- MHL 3.0 support
- Bluetooth 4.1 (S805 supports 4.0 by default, but I read it somewhere that Bluetooth 4.1 can be done with a software update).

chinedu40 said:
I doubt that this is going to happen. I can see them going to mayb 5.3 inches max, but i think anything from 5.5 inches and above is a phablet and I think manufacturers are aware of the ever increasing screen size problem.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with 5.5 inches, but the phone either becomes too wide, too long or both and this makes it rather uncomfortable to use every day and with one hand.
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Fellow, i understand your preference for smaller devices but stop doubting it - find 7 is on the market being sold right now, oneplus one and g3 are confirmed to have 5.5". z3 is sure to follow them, a safe bet. also, enter japan display and auo websites - major panel manufacturers - 2k displays start from 5.5". OEM's don't want to stay behind in spec sheet. this is how the industry behave. anyway, i'm sure all other companies will wake up from their sleep and follow sony with their minis - making them mini flagships and not overpriced weak mid range phones, so you will have plenty of phones to choose from and not only sony compact. they won't have other choice because as you said, the mid sized flags are getting too big for some people. EDIT: for your information, there is no 5.3" display on the market, not in mass production anyway, so from 5.2" companies can jump to 5.5". anyway, i'm sure the mid sized flags will stay on 5.5" for a long time until devices get fordable because otherwise phablets won't have a legitimacy to exist.

RHBH said:
Things I think Sony can improve/add on next phones:
- IP68 instead of IP58 (better dust protection).
- Optical image stabilization instead of Digital image stabilization.
- High FPS recording mode where you can choose, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] **maybe: [email protected] and [email protected], Can S805 handle this?
- Internal memory, user should be able to choose between 16/32/64GB models, just like Apple do.
- Micro USB 3.0.
- MHL 3.0 support
- Bluetooth 4.1 (S805 supports 4.0 by default, but I read it somewhere that Bluetooth 4.1 can be done with a software update).
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It already has MHL 3.0 support....just no cables/adapters exist for it yet that a normal consumer can buy!
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amirprog said:
Fellow, i understand your preference for smaller devices but stop doubting it - find 7 is on the market being sold right now, oneplus one and g3 are confirmed to have 5.5". z3 is sure to follow them, a safe bet. also, enter japan display and auo websites - major panel manufacturers - 2k displays start from 5.5". OEM's don't want to stay behind in spec sheet. this is how the industry behave. anyway, i'm sure all other companies will wake up from their sleep and follow sony with their minis - making them mini flagships and not overpriced weak mid range phones, so you will have plenty of phones to choose from and not only sony compact. they won't have other choice because as you said, the mid sized flags are getting too big for some people. EDIT: for your information, there is no 5.3" display on the market, not in mass production anyway, so from 5.2" companies can jump to 5.5". anyway, i'm sure the mid sized flags will stay on 5.5" for a long time until devices get fordable because otherwise phablets won't have a legitimacy to exist.
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Whilst, I hope manufacturers do not do this, i can see where you're coming from.
Do you think a 2k display sub 5.5inches is feasible?

Whilst, I hope manufacturers do not do this, i can see where you're coming from.
Do you think a 2k display sub 5.5inches is feasible?
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Yes, i see no reason why it wouldn't be possible, but manufacturers don't do it because it would be harder to notice a difference in resolution in 5" display and 2k displays are more expensive to make. even in 5.5" the change should generally look subtle which is fine but it also depends on how close your eyes are from the display.

Ben Ling said:
Hello People,I Had Created The Concept Of Sony Xperia™ Z3
What Do You Think About It ?
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Specs
5.5" Inches Full HD IPS Display
1920 x 1080 pixels
Sony Live Color LED
Capacitive Touchscreen
Corning Gorilla Glass 3
25.7MP 1/2.3" HDR With LED Flash
Exmor RS™ Sensor For Image & Video
BIONZ™ for mobile
16x Digital Zoom
Full HD Video Recording 1080p + 4K UHD
Front Camera 3.2MP Exmor RS HDR 1080p
Quad-Core 2.7 GHz Krait 450
Qualcomm Snapdragon 805
Embedded Battery
PlayStation Certified
X-Reality for mobile
Adreno 420
148 x 75 x 7.2 mm
NFC
155 grams
3 GB RAM
4G LTE
Android v4.4.3 KitKat
Internal 32 GB Storage
microSD up to 64GB
400 Ppi Pixel Density
Camera Button
xLOUD Experience
Dual Stereo Speakers
Noice Cancelling
HD Voice
Li-Ion 3500mAh
Bluetooth v4.0
microSIM
Dust & Water Proof IP55 & 58 Certified
Available in Black,White,Red & Purple Color
Multitouch Up to 10 Fingers
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looks like more like Xperia M2 and bezels?? same need to change the bezel thing in Xperia

Nice concept, though I see no need to make the screen even bigger (5.5 inches sounds huge.)
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One plus one vs one plus 2 what do you think who is real flagship killer

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ONE PLUS ONE:
GSM/HSPA/LTE
BODY Dimensions 152.9 x 75.9 x 8.9 mm (6.02 x 2.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight 162 g (5.71 oz)
SIM Micro-SIM
DISPLAY Type LTPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.5 inches (~71.9% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes, up to 10 fingers
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 3
- CyanogenMod 12 (after SW update)
PLATFORM OS Android OS, v4.4.2 (KitKat), upgradable to v5.0.2 (Lollipop)
Chipset Qualcomm MSM8974AC Snapdragon 801
CPU Quad-core 2.5 GHz Krait 400
GPU Adreno 330
MEMORY Card slot No
Internal 16/64 GB, 3 GB RAM
CAMERA Primary 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, dual-LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, panorama, HDR
Video [email protected], 2160p(DCI)@24fps, [email protected], [email protected],
HDR, stereo sound rec., check quality
Secondary 5 MP, [email protected]
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes, dual mono speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
COMMS WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth v4.1, A2DP
GPS Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS
NFC Yes
Radio No
USB microUSB v2.0, USB Host
FEATURES Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Messaging SMS (threaded view), MMS, Email, IM, Push Email
Browser HTML5
Java No
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- MP4/H.264/WMV player
- MP3/eAAC+/WMA/WAV/FLAC player
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo/dial/commands
BATTERY Non-removable Li-Po 3100 mAh battery
Stand-by
Talk time
MISC Colors Silk White, Sandstone Black
SAR US 0.62 W/kg (head) 0.75 W/kg (body)
Price group 5/10
TESTS Performance Basemark OS II: 1196 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 1230
Basemark X: 13129
Display Contrast ratio: 799 (nominal), 1.961 (sunlight)
Camera Photo / Video
Loudspeaker Voice 74dB / Noise 73dB / Ring 80dB
Audio quality Noise -94.1dB / Crosstalk -94.3dB
ONE PLUS TWO
GSM/HSPA/LTE
BODY Dimensions 151.8 x 74.9 x 9.9 mm (5.98 x 2.95 x 0.39 in)
Weight 175 g (6.17 oz)
SIM Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)
- Fingerprint sensor
DISPLAY Type LTPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 5.5 inches (~73.3% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 4
- Oxygen UI
PLATFORM OS Android OS, v5.1 (Lollipop)
Chipset Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
CPU Quad-core Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A57
GPU Adreno 430
MEMORY Card slot No
Internal 16 GB, 3 GB RAM
64 GB, 4 GB RAM
CAMERA Primary 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, optical image stabilization, laser autofocus,
dual-LED flash
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, panorama, HDR
Video [email protected], 2160p(DCI)@24fps, [email protected], [email protected]
Secondary 5 MP, [email protected]
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
COMMS WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth v4.1, A2DP
GPS Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS
Radio To be confirmed
USB microUSB v2.0, Type-C reversible connector
FEATURES Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Messaging SMS (threaded view), MMS, Email, IM, Push Email
Browser HTML5
Java No
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- DivX/Xvid/MP4/H.265 player
- MP3/eAAC+/WMA/WAV/FLAC player
- Document viewer
- Photo/video editor
BATTERY Non-removable Li-Po 3300 mAh battery
Stand-by
Talk time
MISC Colors Sandstone Black
SAR EU 0.43 W/kg
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Great specs and price, but lack of NFC and quick charge support doesnt make this device any flagship killer

Well, moto x style or pure is an better otion for a flagship killer

It got minor improvement over op1 nothing special.
-sd810: a lot of negative things, so sd801 still good.
-4gb ram: its nice to have but I always got 700mb free.
-finger scan: again its nice, but I always swipe to unlock.. much quicker.
-USB type c: reversible good but still slow USB 2.0
-Thicker and heavier.
-No NFC, quick charge, wireless charge, no OTG.
-No USF 2.0 still using eMMC as op1.
I think its a good phone for first time buyer.

droidnext said:
It got minor improvement over op1 nothing special.
-sd810: a lot of negative things, so sd801 still good.
-4gb ram: its nice to have but I always got 700mb free.
-finger scan: again its nice, but I always swipe to unlock.. much quicker.
-USB type c: reversible good but still slow USB 2.0
-Thicker and heavier.
-No NFC, quick charge, wireless charge, no OTG.
-No USF 2.0 still using eMMC as op1.
I think its a good phone for first time buyer.
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Yes i don't think 1+2 is real flagship killer
What this mean IF YOU DON'T HAVE
NO OTG
NO FAST CHARGE
NO NFC
COPY CAT DESIGN OF SAMSUNG PHONES LIKE GALAXY XYZ SERIES EVEN OPO IS BETTER IN DESIGN THAN OPT
NO QHD SCREEN
MONO SPEAKERS
NO REMARKABLE CAMERA
IT WILL NOT EVEN MAINTAIN ITS CROWN OF FLAGSHIP KILLER FOR 2015 (THEY SAID ITS FK 2016)
IF THEY WILL ADD ABOVE FEATURES IT WILL BE REAL FLAGSHIP KILLER
BUT ANY WAY THROUGH XDA DEVELOPERS I THINK WE WILL GET SOME BENEFIT TO OPO
WHEN THERE WAS DEVELOPMENT OF OPT
MAINLY KERNEL VERSION I. E 3.10
HURREY
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No flagship killer... not even in the discussion.
In fact, their slogan, "Never Settle," should be taken down/ replaced.
Still a great value, but missing the mark in many ways. I think they lost their way with the fingerprint scanner. To keep the price low, that took away from other more desirable/ useful features (NFC, Wireless Charging, QHD, higher pxl density camera, significant battery life).
This might be built more for the international market more than the US market. The Moto X Style/pure looks like the better choice for the US market.

Why isn't both an option? It's a legitimate answer.

CafeKampuchia said:
Why isn't both an option? It's a legitimate answer.
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both could be an option, but both is not an option at the same time.
What I mean to say is that, the OnePlus One itself is a flagship killer for 2014. True. For 2015 it does hold up on its own (though you have devices such as LG G3, the OPPO Find 7, and I think xiaomi mi note, if you can get it without the bloated price)
But if you take 2015 phones as a basis, the OnePlus Two isn't a flagship killer, because either it never was, or got dethroned by Motorola Moto X Style.

im more concerned about their refusal to scrap the completely ridiculous invite system, after the amount of grief they got last time and the amount of people put off from buying the phone as they were not prepared to wait months they've gone and done it again and come out with nonsense like plenty more invites, well they weren't bankng of getting over 2 million requests so they'll never be able to accommodate all those people, ok some might be multiple email signups but i estimate at least 65% are genuine,
My OPO still running perfectly but at this stage i need a new phone, id love an S6 Edge but poor battery life and ridiculous price tag has put me off, but certainly i wont be waiting months for a 1 + 2 invite so ill be searching elsewhere, maybe Huawei or something.

A.VOID said:
No flagship killer... not even in the discussion.
In fact, their slogan, "Never Settle," should be taken down/ replaced.
Still a great value, but missing the mark in many ways. I think they lost their way with the fingerprint scanner. To keep the price low, that took away from other more desirable/ useful features (NFC, Wireless Charging, QHD, higher pxl density camera, significant battery life).
This might be built more for the international market more than the US market. The Moto X Style/pure looks like the better choice for the US market.
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You're right, not a flagship killer at all... Which makes sense considering it's half the price or less than the premium flagships out there. Just a good buzz word.
As for the Moto phones being good for the US market: I decided on the OPO over the previous Moto/Nexus 6 phones because of build quality problems. I know the OPO had its own issues, but I'd probably trust more in the early releases of the OP2 than these new Motos.
As for right now, I just replaced the LCD and housing on my OPO. I'm in no rush for the OP2, but wouldn't be against it if my invite gets sent out in the next couple months.

Neither ever was a flagship killer lol. These devices are for low budget people. 1+1 always had crappy screen. That yellowish urine at the bottom was hardware issue. While the 1+2 is biggest joke of the year. Whenever I see it get compared to real flagship devies I keep laughing.
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ambervals6 said:
Neither ever was a flagship killer lol. These devices are for low budget people. 1 1 always had crappy screen. That yellowish urine at the bottom was hardware issue. While the 1 2 is biggest joke of the year. Whenever I see it get compared to real flagship devies I keep laughing.
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Low budget peoples means
My opo is 6 month old no problem at all in software or hardware
Peoples who are complaining yellow tint and touch issues got faulty handsets
PEOPLES WITH OPO=LOW BUDGET PEOPLES
Its not true its because of thinking
YES IT IS TRUE THAT QUALITY OF HARDWARE IS NOT TOPNOTCH LIKE ON SONY/SAMSUNG BUT ITS NOT SO LOW QUALITY
but it has software quality is topnotch
and though we purchased most Premium devices like sgs6 iphone they don't have removable battery its going to die in few years about 5-6
So you have to change your device
so why to pay 50% more bucks when OPO will reach its limits like Premium devices

Open development vs close development software.

I jumped the gun and ordered a oneplus 2. After using it for a few weeks, I went back to my oneplus one. So much better. On the oneplus oneone, software is more stable and smoother, battery life is MUCH better, vibration motor is better, speaker is louder, phone is lighter, edges of phone aren't slippery, phone is much more comfortable to hold, back is flatter so doesn't wobble around on tables when typing, stereo speakers, no useless fingerprint scanner, faster charging, no notification switch that toggles in your pocket. The oneplus one really is the 2015 flagship killer it was advertised to be, but boy does the 2 disappoint.

Well I got a OP2 invite yesterday..
And after doing my normal xda thread reading....
I opted to buy the 64gb OPO and let the OP2 invite expire...
Of course my 64gb bamboo moto x Pure had a small part in my decision

I still think oneplus one really a value proposition . First is its price and second is its features. Although OPT is good enough to beat OPO but later is not a flagship killer mainly because OPT does not have NFC plus some software related issues , which OP need to rectify to be called as flagship killer.

Oneplus one is a beautiful device with CM ....myself used Nexus 4 ,5 for 4 years...bought OPO 1 month back...
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Oneplus One FTW

Op2, since its the latest and worth the price but opo was the real flagship killer before.
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one plus one inmortal flagship killer

Expert says Galaxy S8 has the best phone display ever!

Excerpt:
“The Galaxy S8 is the most innovative and high-performance Smartphone display that we have ever lab tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade.”
What’s New;
The Galaxy S8 has the following major new display performance features and display functions, which we cover in detail throughout the article:
· A new larger 5.8 inch Full Screen Display that fills almost the entire front face of the Galaxy S8 from edge-to-edge. Its display is 18% larger in screen area than the Galaxy S7, with almost exactly the same width but 17% taller.
· The Home button and Navigations buttons are now incorporated within the touchscreen display.
· A new display form factor with a taller height to width Aspect Ratio of 18.5 : 9 = 2.05, which is larger than the 16 : 9 = 1.78 on the Galaxy S7 (and widescreen TVs) because the display now has the same overall shape as the entire phone.
· It is taller in Portrait mode and wider in Landscape mode. This provides extra space for Notifications and for displaying multiple windows and content.
· A new 3K Higher Resolution 2960 x 1440 Quad HD+ display with 570 pixels per inch.
· Support for 4 Screen Modes and 3 Standard Color Gamuts with High Absolute Color Accuracy based on our extensive lab measurements.
· A new full 100% DCI-P3 Color Gamut and Digital Cinema mode that is also used for 4K Ultra HD TVs, so the Galaxy S8 can display the latest high-end 4K video content.
· The DCI-P3 Gamut is 26 percent larger than the Rec.709 Gamut that is used in 2K Full HD TVs.
· The Galaxy S8 is the first Smartphone to be certified by the UHD Alliance for Mobile HDR Premium, which allows it to play all of the same 4K High Dynamic Range content produced for 4K UHD Premium TVs.
· A new Video Enhancer that provides HDR-like Expanded Dynamic Range for photos and videos that don’t have HDR coding.
· A new record high Peak Brightness with over 1,000 nits, which improves screen visibility in very high Ambient Light, and provides the high screen Brightness needed for HDR.
· A new user adjustable White Point with RGB Color Balance slider controls that can change the Color of White for the Adaptive Display screen mode.
· New front and back Dual Ambient Light Sensors for significantly improved Automatic Brightness settings.
· A new Night Mode with a Blue Light Filter that allows the user to adjust and reduce the amount of blue light from the display for better night viewing and improved sleep.
What’s Improved;
The Galaxy S8 also has the following improved display performance features and display functions, which we cover in detail throughout the article:
· Higher Screen Brightness from 5% to 19%.
· Larger Native Color Gamut with 113% DCI-P3 for better displayed Colors in High Ambient Light.
· Improved Absolute Color Accuracy.
· Improved Viewing Angle performance.
· Enhanced configurable Edge Display for the curved side screens.
· Enhanced Always On Display mode operated with IC hardware rather than App software.
· Enhanced Personalized Auto Brightness Control.
· Enhanced Image Processor for Adaptive Dynamic Brightness and Contrast Range Expansion.
· Enhanced Performance Modes and Power Saving Modes.
· Stronger curved Gorilla Glass 5 protecting the display.
Galaxy S8 OLED Display Technology Shoot-Out!
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Can't wait for the Note 8 "Great" (a.k.a. 옹호) to show up and show off its display along with other expected innovations!

Great to get a better perspective on the changes made, undoubtedly the best screen to grace a smartphone.
Very much looking forward to shipment day......?
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Even though I'm looking very much at the GS8+ because of availability, the article doesn't even compare to other competitors especially being the Xperia XZ Premium. The XZ Premium is literally built with a 4K HDR screen and it's one of the most well renowned top flagship features. For DisplayMate to not even mention it kind of discredits what it grades any way if it does not compare other flagships.

GigaSPX said:
Even though I'm looking very much at the GS8+ because of availability, the article doesn't even compare to other competitors especially being the Xperia XZ Premium. The XZ Premium is literally built with a 4K HDR screen and it's one of the most well renowned top flagship features. For DisplayMate to not even mention it kind of discredits what it grades any way if it does not compare other flagships.
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They are comparing it to their previous model, that's what most people care about as Samsung panels have been the best for quite some time. It's to show improvements over the last gen screens. You can always compare the review score between different devices yourself. The S8 is the highest rated mobile screen they have tested. Sony and LG etc are not really competitors, they don't sell enough phones. Apple is Samsung's major competition as they are both on top, by a huge margin. Most are losing money not making it. So they are doing the review for the largest number of potential consumers.
4k screens on a phone are very good for one thing, VR. Outside of that there isn't much difference at all, other than loss of performance and battery life. I would appreciate the higher res as an option myself though because I enjoy VR.
4k is wasted on smaller sized TV's even, unless you're sitting a few inches away from it. It's best for 50 inch and above screens. Over 60 is preferable if sitting a reasonable distance away.
If another phone takes top spot this year then they will probably compare that to the Samsung...

DOOGEE MIX - Information & Reviews - 5.5" HD | Helio P25 | 4/6GB | 64/128GB | AMOLED

DOOGEE MIX - Information & Reviews - 5.5" HD | Helio P25 | 4/6GB | 64/128GB | AMOLED
DOOGEE MIX
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Specs:
Dimensions: 76.2 x 144 x 7.95 mm
Weight: 193 g
Chassis: Metal with Back Glass
SoC: MediaTek MT6757CD (Helio P25)
CPU: ARM Cortex-A53, 4x2390 MHz, Cores: 8
GPU: ARM Mali-T880 MP2 900MHz, Cores: 2
Network: 4G Cat.6 (300MBps) with VoLTE Support
RAM: 4 GB/6 GB
Storage: 64GB/128 GB
Memory cards: microSD, microSDHC, microSDXC
Display: 5.5 in, 720p, AMOLED
Protection: Gorilla Glass 5
Battery: 3380mAh, Li-Polymer
OS: Android 7.0 Nougat, FreemeOS skinned.
Back Camera: 4920 × 3264 pixels (16MP), Samsung ISOCELL Sensor, with 3264 x 2448 pixels (8MP) 2nd Camera
Front Camera: 3264 x 2448 pixels (8MP)
SIM card: Dual-SIM, Dual-Standby
Wi-Fi: a, b, g, n 2.4GHz/5.0GHz, dual-band, Wi-Fi Hotspot
USB: Micro-USB, 2.0
Bluetooth: 4.1
Positioning: GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS
Other Features: Front Fingerprint Scanner, High screen-to-body ratio
Colors: Dazzle Black, Blue (two variants)
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Official Website:
http://www.doogee.cc/detail/mix-series-bezel-less-smartphone/106
Development & Support:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/doogee-mix-development-support-t3632785
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Reviews:
My own review: Post #6 & #7
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WiredLeaks said:
Will this phone have a led notification light?
Do you know when it will be released?
thanks
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Both info are unknown for now, what i can tell you is that i may receive it in June.

Does anybody know when the 128GB version will be available again?

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Does anybody know when the 128GB version will be available again?
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They will start to distribute the 4/64 variant first, then (i guess after a while), also higher capacity ones.

Review (part 1)
Introduction
This is the DOOGEE MIX.
Hardware
Being one of the first Xiaomi Mi Mix clone released in 2017, this MIX tries to be as similar as possible (of course not equal), providing a 5.5" screen in a smaller body. Also as regards the RAM/ROM capacity, it tries to be as similar as possible, with a maximum of 6GB of RAM and 128GB of ROM. Unfortunately though it uses a Mediatek CPU, precisely the Helio P25, that isn't bad at all, but not as powerful as a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820.
Unboxing
Packaging, with a really nice look, comes with some accessories: 1x Micro-USB Cable, 1x 5V/2A USB Charger, 1x Quick Start Guide, 1x Warranty Certificate, 1x Hard Plastic Case, 1x Phone Holder (Ring), 1x SIM Card Tray Remover and the Smartphone (of course). A plastic screen protector is already applied, and an extra protector is included.
As already introduced before, the design has been copied almost entirely from the Mi Mix, but with a Metal Chassis (instead of Ceramic), a smaller overall size (being smaller the screen) and less glossy colors. The device feels solid, and the Gorilla Glass panel placed on the back makes it looking really premium.
When it comes to the size, well...this is able to beat all 5.5" inches devices released in the last few years. It is only 14.44x7.67x0.80cm, unbelieably compact, but with a weight of 198g, unfortunately feels heavy due to the small size and high weight. I guess the amount of glass increased its weight.
On the front side there almost bezel-less AMOLED Display with an overall clean look (2.5D curved) and the upper front side of the device features an Earpiece (a real one), and the Sensors hole that includes Light, Proximity and Gesture Sensors. Somehow they choose to not include a Notifcation LED, in 2017 i think this is a must have feature.
As regards the lower front side, there is the Fingerprint Scanner in the center (doesn't work as a physical button, can't be pressed), and a Front-Facing Camera that due to space issues couldn't have been placed on the upper side. There is some wasted space though.
On the back side there is the Glass Back Cover i mentioned before.
The upper rear side of the device features the Dual Camera Sensor supported by a Single-LED - Single-Tone Flashlight, and nothing else. On the lower rear side, excluding the DOOGEE logo, there isn't anything at all because the Speaker is positioned on the lower side of the device.
Device
Screen
This is the most interesting part of the device, its almost bezel-less AMOLED screen looks gorgeous, even though i don't like AMOLEDs too much (due to unreal colors). Talking about color accuracy on a AMOLED is like talking about speed for a city car. Colors look really saturated and un-real, and the white balance is a bit messed up. Someone can like it, someone might not. This is really personal.
Unfortunately due to its 720p Resolution, pixels are noticeable on camera, and sometimes also while using it. I don't understand why DOOGEE choose to include a 720p screen instead of 1080p, the Helio P25 is fast enough to handle 1080p Apps/Games.
Its light sensor supports smooth light changes with a maximum brightness of ~500lux. Great Brightness for best usage under direct-sunlight.
Viewing Angles are awesome, as we all know, AMOLEDs are the best when it comes to this.
Camera
Luckily DOOGEE choose to include a pretty good camera sensor for this device, a Samsung ISOCELL 16MP sensor with fast focus-time and good overall quality. It also supports Camera API 2 for Manual Controls such as Manual Focus, RAW Recording and so on. This is the first Mediatek Device i review with Camera2 Compatibility.
I guess the software isn't 100% ready though because the amount of noise is slighlty too high even while shooting outdoors, and sometimes the Flashlight is out-of-sync.
Here you can see an HDR-on/off comparision, plus some random extra photos.
The Blur Effect using the "Blur" option seems to work. (aka Bokeh)
Macros are probably the most detailed ones.
Indoors shoots are decent, nothing to complain about.
The flashlight isn't super powerful, being a Single-LED only, but it is still able to support the camera sensor properly, when it isn't out-of-sync of course.
As regards Video Recording, the quality and frame-rate of 1080p30 videos is OK, and it can shoot also in 2160p25 with a decent stable frame-rate.
The Front-Camera is placed on the lower front side of the device, so you need to shoot photos with the device upside-down for selfies and so on. The Quality isn't too bad, but colors look a bit washed-out.
Audio
Surprisingly, considering the small size of the device, its Speaker is powerful, with a little amount of low-frequencies and excessive distortion at maximum volume. The Earpiece though is a whole different story, due to its limited size, there is a complete lack of low-frequencies, and the volume is a bit limited.
As regards the Microphone, it is as good as the speaker, with high sensitivity and clarity. Everyone was able to hear me perfectly while in-call.
GPS
GPS Quality is perfect, with no issues at all with signal stability and accuracy. Finally Mediatek fixed the GPS on the Helio P25 considering the amount of issues present on the Helio P10.
Indoors on the left, outdoors on the right.
Telephony, Mobile Network & WiFi
Providing full european bands support (with 4G Band 20), the device was able to keep a stable connection to my 4G Network, with decent speeds (considering other devices tested in the same place) and mid-high signal.
WiFi 5GHz is supported, and connected at 121Mbps, i was able to reach almost ~60Mbps. Probably not as high as expected from the Link Speed, but still better than using the 2.4GHz connection.
Battery Life
As my usual reviewing routine, i measured the real battery capacity using an USB Tester, and it seems to be way lower than declared, ~300mAh less. (declared 3380mAh, real ~3080mAh)
Luckily, PCMark run just fine on this device even though it is running Android Nougat. Other Mediatek Devices with Nougat (and also some with Marshmallow) caused the Benchmark to stop by itself after some hours. The result is not so good unfortunately for a 3380mAh battery, but for a 3080mAh it is acceptable.
Thanks to the 2.0A charger, and the small battery, it is possible to recharge the device completely in more or less 2 hours. Maybe a Pump Express Charger would have been appreciated for even faster charging, but it is fast enough already.
Software
Unlike previous DOOGEE devices, this is the first one released with DoogeeOS (based on FreemeOS), with an ad-hoc launcher and some extra customizations. It is based on Android 7.0 Nougat (hopefully will be updated to 7.1.1 soon), with June 2017 security patches and, unfortunately, some pre-installed bloatware that can be uninstalled and/or disabled.
The UI feels smooth, i must admit not as smooth as i would have expected, but this is an early release so i can't blame DOOGEE for that. OTA Updates will gradually improve the device, just like other brands do.
Following the Mediatek line-up, also this one features MiraVision, Gestures (such as tap-to-wake) and so on...
Yes, it includes a Magnetometer/Compass and Gyroscope! Finally a device with a complete set of sensors.
No malwares detected with Malware-Bytes Anti-Malware using latest definitions.
As regards the Fingerprint Scanner management, it is as easy to manage as on all Android Nougat devices, and it is fast to unlock the device. I have to report that sometimes, after keeping the screen off for a long time, it sleeps a bit too much, requiring to turn on the screen in order to get the finger recognized.

Review (part 2)
Benchmarks
I have used 3DMark, AndroBench, Antutu Benchmark, Epic Citadel, GeekBench 4, GFXBench, PCMark (Work 2.0, Computer Vision, Storage & Work 1.0) and Vellamo to stress the device to the limit. I won’t test Games or Video Playback because there are already some related tests included in these Benchmark suites.
3DMark – Thankfully the Mali-T880MP2 is able to handle almost everything.
AndroBench – I don't know yet the eMMC brand and model, but its performance is really good.
Antutu Benchmark – I won’t say a lot about this benchmark, this isn’t as reliable as others. I’m providing this just for benchmarks lovers.
Epic Citadel – 720p Gaming on a Mali-T880MP2 = Buttery Smooth experience.
GeekBench – CPU Performance is confusing. The CPU is recognized as MT6757CH instead of MT6757T, and its performance isn't higher than a Helio P20. Software Issue? I hope so.
CPU
Compute
GFXBench – Just like on most GPUs, this benchmark struggles to run smooth. This is normal, only super high-end devices could handle this properly.
PCMark – Interesting results, being the first time i benchmark an Helio P25 i do not have any point of referral that i can use to compare these scores.
Work 2.0
Computer Vision
Storage
Work 1.0
Vellamo – Luckily Vellamo is kind enough to provide a list of devices in order to compare all scores, and the result is as good as i would have expected, excluding for the Single-Core benchmark, a bit low.
Conclusions
DOOGEE MIX, the first innovative device i have reviewed in the 2017. Clone of the Mi Mix? Not really. I would call it the little brother.
The device itself beats all previous DOOGEE devices when it comes to the design and overall price-performance ratio, and excluding the software that isn't ready yet in my opinion, i find it to be unique and balanced.
Of course it isn't perfect, due to missing the Notification LED and 720p screen, but being the first try from DOOGEE to release something 100% new and hard to engineer, i am definitely happy with the result.
Do i recommend it? It is all up to you, this is a device that has some features that some users may like and some users may not. Personally, i like everything except the AMOLED over-saturated colors, but i know lots of friends that love this kind of screens so...think on every single feature and choose if it can satisfy your requirements or not. ^^
Pros:
Outstading Design
Ergonomically Perfect
Android 7.0 Nougat with latest security patches
Camera2 API Supported for Manual Focus and RAW Capture
AMOLED screen for real blacks
Magnetometer/Compass & Gyroscope are here
Cons:
Sleepy Fingerprint Scanner
HD-only screen = Low Pixel Density
Over-Saturated screen colors (PERSONAL)
No Notification LED
Battery Capacity doesn't match the declared value (at least on my review unit)
Rating: 8.6
Packaging and Accessories: 9
Design and Materials: 10
Performance and Heat Dissipation: 9.5
Screen: 8
Camera: 9
Sound: 7.5
Battery Life: 7.5
Software: 7
OEM Support: 9
Price: 9.5
You can find full-res images (I know, Quality isn't excellent) here: http://imgur.com/a/a3OcI
Official Website: http://www.doogee.cc/detail/mix-series-bezel-less-smartphone/106
You can buy it on many online shops. Official, and authorized, Retailers are listed in the DOOGEE website.​

Awesome review. Bought one... waiting for it to arrive. I'll hope to have custom roms for it.

looks like at the end there are some benchmarks there that are not suppose to be there, namely for the xiaomi mi mix instead of doogee mix

jeffreydeleeuw said:
looks like at the end there are some benchmarks there that are not suppose to be there, namely for the xiaomi mi mix instead of doogee mix
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Some benchmarks recognize the device incorrectly unfortunately

Alberto96 said:
Some benchmarks recognize the device incorrectly unfortunately
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ok no problem

Thank you for the good review. do you think that cistom roms will be released for this device?

Excellent job on the review Alberto. A lot of work you put into it. We're working on a TWRP now.
Our review will be coming soon.

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Thank you for the good review. do you think that cistom roms will be released for this device?
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Chinaphonearena said:
Excellent job on the review Alberto. A lot of work you put into it. We're working on a TWRP now.
Our review will be coming soon.
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Dev. & Support thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/doogee-mix-development-support-t3632785

And the speaker sound is real stereo?
There will be a software that ix the recording video sound or is a hardware bug?
Thanks

Botandroid said:
And the speaker sound is real stereo?
There will be a software that ix the recording video sound or is a hardware bug?
Thanks
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1) No, single speaker on the bottom.
2) I don't have the same issue :/

While having the Mix (6GB version) for 3 days now, I wanted to share my thoughts with you:
Pro:
- Display is almost as sharp to my eyes as a 1080p (thought this would be a minus)
- Looks nice and has premium feeling
- Works OK
- Is quite speedy
- Excellent mic (people hear me very well)
- fingerprint sensor works very fine on my sample
Cons:
- Very Heavy!!!
- Camera indoors is total crap, cannot even take any photos which are sharp, it seems this one cannot even properly focus in mid to low light.
- Earpiece speaker max. loudness is less than Oneplus X, Vernee Mars or Asus, or Nexus 4 (which is the best)
- Loudspeaker is waay to silent, compared to other ones, barely usable with speakerphone setup.
- battery drains faster then my OPX (which has low reputation)
- IT's not a bezel-less design, since it's wider than my old ASUS Zenfone 2 Z00AD.
And I'm afraid no SW update will come soon (or even ever) to this one.
But - Value for money is OK.
my 2 cents.

Bluboo S1 or Maze Alpha? I'm considering cancelling my order for Maze Alpha and grab the S1 instead.

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1) No, single speaker on the bottom.
2) I don't have the same issue :/
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I was Cheated. I got a response from Doogee's support that the Doogee mix had stereo speakers and that there would be an update to correct the camera's sound and other errors. Mine is already on the way and should be almost to come ... if I could I cancel the purchase and buy the bluboo s1 or another of the same range. thank you

Great Review my friend