KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.
"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.
This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005
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KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.
"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.
This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005
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You're too late. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38852201#post38852201
Although it's a bit worrying, I really don't think it's worthy of it's own thread, otherwise I would have made a thread for it already.
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KGI Securities reports that HTC has manufacturing issues with the One's voice coil motor (VCM) and compact camera module (CCM) on its UltraPixel camera.
"We believe the production restraints that UltraPixel faces will severely limit HTC One shipments," KGI analyst Kuo Ming-chi said with launch estimates being lowered from 4M units to 800k-1,2M.
This would be, IMO, disastrous for HTC as they need to sell as many Ones as possible before the SIV comes out, but they may not be able to.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aECO&ID=201303070005
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the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers
you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop
This does worry me a bit. What concerns me most is not the restricted number of units, it's the implications to the components in the phones that do sell.
If most of the camera sensors that come off the production line are faulty, does that mean that the ones that are judged to be okay are only barely in spec? Will this lead to high failure rates a, few months after purchase, or needing to return 2 or 3 handsets in a row till you get a "good" one? Can you even be sure if it is "good" or that the retailer will acknowledge the problem with the first one as genuine issue? That's the kind of hassle I can do without.
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Oh, and a couple of reviews have found photos blurred in the lower part of the image. I wonder if this is why?
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the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers
you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop
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You surely don't believe HTC doesn't wanna sell it's flagships to the masses and make huge profit, and content to almost go bust with the limited buyer range, I mean that's just ridiculous. They didn't contact 185 carriers worldwide to hand out only a handful of handhelds - like with blockbuster movies, smartphone launch is the most important time to sell, and manufacturing problems could have disastrous effects as HTC bets everything on the Beautiful One.
Also worth saying that HTC has form when it comes to shipping less than perfect hardware and not admitting to it. Most HD2's sold in the month or two after launch had an absolutely galloping case of "pink spot" in the camera. After a couple of months they quietly fixed the problem, and subsequent handsets were okay; but they never admitted there had been a problem with the early ones, and never offered to repair or replace them.
If you don't believe me, check the XDA archives - you won't find single poster in the first couple of months after the HD2 launch saying "hey, my camera is fine".
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This does worry me a bit. What concerns me most is not the restricted number of units, it's the implications to the components in the phones that do sell.
If most of the camera sensors that come off the production line are faulty, does that mean that the ones that are judged to be okay are only barely in spec? Will this lead to high failure rates a, few months after purchase, or needing to return 2 or 3 handsets in a row till you get a "good" one? Can you even be sure if it is "good" or that the retailer will acknowledge the problem with the first one as genuine issue? That's the kind of hassle I can do without.
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Oh, and a couple of reviews have found photos blurred in the lower part of the image. I wonder if this is why?
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It doesn't mention anything about faults, it just says those components are a bottleneck in production
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hamdir said:
the plan was never to sell before the S4 comes out....HTC aiming for its own slice of the smartphone buyers, mainly those who really care more about build quality and the iPhone switchers
you surely don't believe HTC is focusing on selling before the S4 is out, what's up with you guys? HTC is not your neighborhood grocery shop
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I think you need a slight correction there Hamdir ...
HTC will be selling and shipping well before the G4 comes out .. it's only being ##announced## on 14th March, not released for sale then ...
A bit worrying but at worst will be delayed by week or so for initial batch. Still be getting the htc one rather then S4 or any other smartphone as its the best smartphone out there.
S4 will be probably be selling around mid April at the earliest still one should beat it to the market and hopefully sell millions to give consumers more for their money. Push Samsung to move away from plastic and amoled since Samsung are in the position to produce far superior smartphones then they are at the moment, just means less profit per unit for them.
Take a chill pill and relax man.
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It doesn't mention anything about faults, it just says those components are a bottleneck in production
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It specifically mentions "low yield rates". The "yield" is the percentage of components that come off the production line that aren't faulty. Nearly all electronic components have yields well below 100% even when things are going well: each one is tested when it's finished, and it has to pass certain checks; if not, it's thrown out.
If this story is true then it means that the percentage of camera sensors that are classed as being good enough to use is much smaller than HTC was expecting - in other words that far more of them turn out to be unuseable than they expected. That quite likely means that even the ones which pass the test only barely pass it, which may have implications for reliability or lifespan.
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Also worth saying that HTC has form when it comes to shipping less than perfect hardware and not admitting to it. Most HD2's sold in the month or two after launch had an absolutely galloping case of "pink spot" in the camera. After a couple of months they quietly fixed the problem, and subsequent handsets were okay; but they never admitted there had been a problem with the early ones, and never offered to repair or replace them.
If you don't believe me, check the XDA archives - you won't find single poster in the first couple of months after the HD2 launch saying "hey, my camera is fine".
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the same can be said about the One X early two months I'm afraid...(and tons of other devices / brands)
Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.
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the same can be said about the One X early two months I'm afraid...(and tons of other devices / brands)
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Well, yes: HTC is certainly not the only company to do stuff like this!
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Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.
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+1
According to this: http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-availability-issues-167070/ they're looking at a 20% yield on the camera sensor - that's atrocious.
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Every handset I've had on date of release, first batch I've exchanged due to one issue or another be it hardware or software. That includes Samsung s3, note 2. iPhone 5, hox. So I'm prepared for that, anticipating that and if it doesn't happen then great.
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Yes but what happens if "sir/lady it may take a couple of weeks before we can get you your replace unit"?
Odd really isn't it ... you's expect a CCD with larger pixels to be easier to screen than one with more, smaller ones ... is this just another attempt to undermine by some news agency or stock trader looking for a fast buck ?? After all, if they can depress the HTC stock value ahead of te launch and buy up .. they will make a killing when it rises on the One's success ...
seems some people are starting to receive their units in Europe
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First People in Germany are receiving their one already.... From Carrier o2, would have loved to provide you a short review but still have to wait for it to arrive
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Odd really isn't it ... you's expect a CCD with larger pixels to be easier to screen than one with more, smaller ones ... is this just another attempt to undermine by some news agency or stock trader looking for a fast buck ?? After all, if they can depress the HTC stock value ahead of te launch and buy up .. they will make a killing when it rises on the One's success ...
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agreed this article covering the story is one of the worst, or it could be sammy's doing
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Yes but what happens if "sir/lady it may take a couple of weeks before we can get you your replace unit"?
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Ofcourse i wont be pleased but I've experienced that with Samsung so not a deal breaker.
Btw it's Mr I'm using my own picture in my profile.
iPhone 4/5, iPad3, Sony Xperia S, Asus Nexus 7, HTC One X, Samsung SGS2 and SGS3, LG as well
all had defects in the first months of release
we discussed all this to death on the One X forum early days and now all the panic and drama are behind us
if you want to be an early adopter of a completely new product, be prepared to do some returns
(i went through three for my perfect early One X)
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The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
What are peoples' thoughts?
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The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
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1) Here in the uk warranty wouldnt be an issue as the contract is with the company you purchased the phone from and not the manufacturer. I dunno how it works in other countries but we are safe this side of the pond.
2) If the development community is thriving then I wouldnt worry about updates (i plan on jumping straight to cyanogenmod if it is ever supported).
3) Sell on value would naturally be effected but thats the risk you take with anything you buy these days.
Personally I cant see HTC going under and if they do, ah well, not like im spending thousands.
You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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i lol'd in the office
i really cant see htc going bust anytime soon.
They are still making money , and that without the launch of the htc one which should boost them up for a bit.
Dont forget they are still the 4th largest manufactor of phones in the world.
That thought did cross my mind too but I do not think they would go bust or do a blackberry and mess things up totally.
happysteveo said:
The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
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HTC isn't going busted. They are not in bankrupcy they only have lesser sales but still they earn a gross of million dollars per quarter. It's just it is low compared to other phone companies. Don't be a paranoid, the smartphone manufacturing sector is one of the most lively business today there's no way any company would go bankrupt from it. There's far too many other OEMs which has lower sales than HTC infact HTC has even higher sales compared to blackberry and LG.
GRRR .. how do you remove a thanks !! ... Fat fingers and a touchpad don't mix !!!
Of course HTC isn't going bust .. what a daft idea. Their sales have slowed per quarter year on year when the crazy economy nowadays expects constant growth. If HTC comes a respecatble third behind Samsung and Apple that will satisfy the company goals as long as they take back some more market share.
Remeber that the percentage of market share figures being shown around are dependent on the size of the market. Samsung has done an enormous job (and spent an enormous amount of money) expanding the overall market. 10% of the market 5 years ago is nowhere near as good as 5% of the current market, and that's mainly thanks to the marketing divisions of Samsung and Apple competing to take over the world ...
On the other hand, HTC has always produce a 'disruptive' product every couple of years, one which stretches the envelope in some way or another. They innovate, the others market ... There will always be a relatively small but extremely comfortable place for HTC top-end phones ... and don't forget ... they made white-box phones for other companies and carriers for years before 'coming out' ... there's still a market there too.
Worry more for Nokia, Blackberry and a few others. The likes of Samsung and LG are appliance manufacturers and Apple are computer manufacturers so they have safe business to fall back on. Once the Cellphone market starts to approach saturation they'll ease off .. but right now the race is for a decent slice of China, South America and India ... Let's see how HTC acceptance is in those regions before we start to ring any funeral bells
yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "loss", companies can survive this state for years as well
What everyone else said, plus: Absolute WORST CASE scenario, they get bought. A company with as much valuable talent, branding, IP and carrier/manufacturing partnerships as HTC doesn't "go bust". Who would buy them? Well, ASUS is a Taiwanese company that desperately wants to transition successfully into the phone market..
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yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "losses", companies can survive this state for years as well
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A bit OT but I have a feeling they will release more phones than just "ONE" over this year but I really hope they don't as it's just easier to maintain and support 1 phone a year rather than 6 or more.
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You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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you are so funny, man.:laugh:
While it's true that HTC's revenue and profits have been depleting for about 18 months, the company is actually doing quite well when compared to Sony, Motorola, Nokia, BlackBerry and a few others. All of those companies have been operating at a loss for quite some time, yet they have managed to stay alive.
The fact that HTC is changing its approach with the One is actually a very good sign. The company will be able to focus its software development efforts on fewer devices and throw its entire marketing budget behind one device. We will see other HTC devices launch in the coming months, but a handful of HTC execs have stated that a number of phones were killed off so that the company could make the HTC One a priority.
If things go really bad with the HTC One this year and can't find a way to reverse its downward trend, HTC will still be around for at least 2-3 years before they would need to file for bankruptcy.
Imagine if HTC did go bust...we'd have to buy plasticy toy looking phones that make toilet noises.
Wiki shows this
Revenue $9.449 billion USD
Operating income $1.496 billion USD
I think they will be ok ....
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yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "losses", companies can survive this state for years as well
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I could not agree more. HTC made less PROFIT this quarter making it their lowest performing quarter since the nexus one days.
Remember winmo? This site used to be all HTC, their stock was rising based on decisions like branding on their own etc. The One will be the largest rollout since the Touch pro 2. They are still more profitable now since then. HTC isn't going anywhere.
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I think HTC is unlikely to go bust. They took everything they learned from the Sensation line and gave us the One X. As they realized various issues, HTC rapidly adapted their phones to fix issues of the past. Things like the WiFi antenna issue will never happen again. Sense 5 is much more in line with AOSP and Holo, with much better functional addition. They brought back the aluminum unibody. They innovated new features, brought a truly good camera to the table rather than better optics and a good camera app. They added new sound hardware and truly delivered on their promise to give great sound instead of just an equalizer. The list just keeps going on.
HTC has shown that they rapidly adapt to fix their weaknesses and give customers what they want. I think that is what will ensure their survival.
The only phone company going bust this year is Blackberry
There is no chance at all but in case Google or Samsung are the potential buyer they will take care of all things
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Imagine if HTC did go bust...we'd have to buy plasticy toy looking phones that make toilet noises.
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just awesome
by the way HTC just closed a 10 year deal with apple, a 3 year sponsorship with UEFA and has been on a hiring spree, so yea it's safe to say they are not going anywhere
don't let media FUD get to you
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A bit OT but I have a feeling they will release more phones than just "ONE" over this year but I really hope they don't as it's just easier to maintain and support 1 phone a year rather than 6 or more.
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the strategy is for one supreme flagaship, no other devices for at least half a year, and with a very high chance of a One + mid year
there will definitely be other mid to low range devices, a phablet + tablet maybe
considering that even Apple is about to release two iPhones (and two ipads, ipod etc) you can't really expect a phone specific company like HTC to just go for one device, actually no body releases one device...stop dreaming
but they did fix their biggest mistake which was release three competing flagships last year (One S, X, XL)
a mid year refresh will not hurt, in fact it will persuade those considering the One mid year but tempted with newer devices specifications, all their previous mid year refresh were basically the same device with a slight speed+battery boost/ refinement to the finish/red accents! so no matter how the minority of XDA memebers like to cry about those minor refresh releases, ITS STILL THE SAME DEVICE
yesterday i saw the One X+ with someone and i asked him if i can see it, i just couldn't stop myself from laughing all those who freaked out when it was announced, its 99% the One X, HTC have the same team for what basically is the same firmware on both, in fact im all for it, refreshing the same device actually entices HTC to keep the updates flowing
I have a strong feeling that this is totally their Galaxy S2 moment.
This will be the point where they will finally be noticed.
HTC will keep releasing success after success.
This also includes the possibility of a real Phablet coming Q3 2013 (HTC Note?) instead of HTC One+
Then next year will be the year where they will seal the deal.
Samsung will burn to the ground.
And HTC will rise once again like the times of HD2.
if the phone ever get released in the states
Certainly the ONE should break out for HTC ... but lets face it, in the real (99% of buyers) world it will be smothered in a mountain of marketing foam by Samsung and Apple, and HTC will have to be happy picking up the pieces left over from the war of the big guys.
BUT .. their corporate performance WILL improve and they will be back in the running, but as the top dog in the rest of the pack.
This is HTC's window of opportunity as I can't see Samsung making the same mistake again especially if Samsung sell less then last year which I think they will.
Htc need to take a risk if the opportunity presents itself which it has. React HTC aggressively sell their own product, market it, advertise it properly and it's possible.
S2 moment! Not really. For majority of people out there the no SD card and non-removable battery is still an issue. If One had those then yes they could have nailed it.
HTC should now come out with a 4 or 4.3" version of One (similar premium build and features), maybe 720p SLCD3 screen, with a massive (2800mAH or bigger) battery and a SD card option for a very very good price (below S3). Then only it can see itself coming back to reckoning. They need that big battery in a device pretty badly coz as of now they have that tag of making phones with poor battery life. And its all about perceptions (at least for majority of people).
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for the "if ever released" comment
its already rolling for some customers in the UK
and HTC has said USA is their priority market
its us in the rest of the world who will have to wait
jsut a reminder:
Samsung Galaxy S 4 gets April 26th UK release date, preorders start March 28th
I doubt it, HTC don't have the marketing of Samsung or Apple to sell 90 million+ units.
Livebyte said:
I have a strong feeling that this is totally their Galaxy S2 moment.
This will be the point where they will finally be noticed.
HTC will keep releasing success after success.
This also includes the possibility of a real Phablet coming Q3 2013 (HTC Note?) instead of HTC One+
Then next year will be the year where they will seal the deal.
Samsung will burn to the ground.
And HTC will rise once again like the times of HD2.
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you do know that this is just a phone at the end of the day
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you do know that this is just a phone at the end of the day
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you do realize HTC is struggling? its ok if its fans want it to rise again before its late
and you can't deny there is a window of opportunity here
finally we already know your One X is too good for you to buy either
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you do realize HTC is nearly dying? its ok if its fans want it to rise again before its late
and you can't deny there is a window of opportunity here
finally we already know your One X is too good for you to buy either
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i do not mind the constant discussions regarding which phone is better than the other one but sometimes people tend to take it to the extreme..
yes my One X is to good to sell it..i know one day i say i am going to sell it and the next i will not but the matter is now not even the Nexus for me now is something i am interested in...my money is on a tablet device and from next friday i will have the money to purchase one...will wait for the next upgrade which is this time next year...for now my One x is more than good enough
As for a company dying..I feel sorry for people losing there jobs if that happens...Nothing else...i really do hope HTC do well as i really love the build quality of there phones but they do need to get there act together.
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i do not mind the constant discussions regarding which phone is better than the other one but sometimes people tend to take it to the extreme..
yes my One X is to good to sell it..i know one day i say i am going to sell it and the next i will not but the matter is now not even the Nexus for me now is something i am interested in...my money is on a tablet device and from next friday i will have the money to purchase one...will wait for the next upgrade which is this time next year...for now my One x is more than good enough
As for a company dying..I feel sorry for people losing there jobs if that happens...Nothing else...i really do hope HTC do well as i really love the build quality of there phones but they do need to get there act together.
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well you might be in luck
considering they r launching only one flagship this year, and how agressive they are becoming
and the fact Google is worried about Samsung
I think we might see an HTC NEXUS this year
hamdir said:
well you might be in luck
considering they r launching only one flagship this year, and how agressive they are becoming
and the fact Google is worried about Samsung
I think we might see an HTC NEXUS this year
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Not this year, next year.
This year we are getting motorola nexus.
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Not this year, next year.
This year we are getting motorola nexus.
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oh is there real leaks about this? about time to be honest
im truly siding with everyone honestly against sammy, all of them build good phones, i mean even the optimus G is nicely built
sadly LG is going Sammy's way with the pro...
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oh is there real leaks about this? about time to be honest
im truly siding with everyone honestly against sammy, all of them build good phones, i mean even the optimus G is nicely built
sadly LG is going Sammy's way with the pro...
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Oh I saw the specs told by Google, was that rumors? Let me find an english source, I saw them in turkish tech site.
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Yeah sorry it seems they are rumors.
4.7-inç Full HD screen
NVIDIA Tegra 4i cpu
16-megapiksel camera
5-megapiksel front camera (light and eyescrolling sensor)
2GB RAM
Bluetooth 4.0
2400Mah battery
Size: 131.2 x 66.7 x 7.9 mm
Rumored to be announced in Google IO in May.
hamdir said:
oh is there real leaks about this? about time to be honest
im truly siding with everyone honestly against sammy, all of them build good phones, i mean even the optimus G is nicely built
sadly LG is going Sammy's way with the pro...
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This thing looks like a moto nexus http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/13/4097778/motorola-google-phone-leak
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Oh I saw the specs told by Google, was that rumors? Let me find an english source, I saw them in turkish tech site.
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Yeah sorry it seems they are rumors.
4.7-inç Full HD screen
NVIDIA Tegra 4i cpu
16-megapiksel camera
5-megapiksel front camera (light and eyescrolling sensor)
2GB RAM
Bluetooth 4.0
2400Mah battery
Size: 131.2 x 66.7 x 7.9 mm
Rumored to be announced in Google IO in May.
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what? T4i? this is step back...especially at 1080p
(the back camera is crazy how are they gonna deal with noise?)
joslicx said:
S2 moment! Not really. For majority of people out there the no SD card and non-removable battery is still an issue. If One had those then yes they could have nailed it.
HTC should now come out with a 4 or 4.3" version of One (similar premium build and features), maybe 720p SLCD3 screen, with a massive (2800mAH or bigger) battery and a SD card option for a very very good price (below S3). Then only it can see itself coming back to reckoning. They need that big battery in a device pretty badly coz as of now they have that tag of making phones with poor battery life. And its all about perceptions (at least for majority of people).
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I don't think no SD card and removable battery are an issue for most people at all, only some. 4 people I know really well have an SGS3, none of them have a second battery or bother with the SD card. In fact, I think two of them don't even know about these 'features'.
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HTC will be success only if the customers can get their phones in Hand in time......Delaying will kill brand loyaltiy
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S2 moment! Not really. For majority of people out there the no SD card and non-removable battery is still an issue. If One had those then yes they could have nailed it.
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lol, sure why not.
most people couldn't care less about sd card and definitely most people don't care about non-removable battery.
the only people that do care are phone nerds like yourself.
End of.
The sdcard argument is so played out. 32 and 64 gb storage isn't enough?
The removable battery argument I get but the new qualcomm processors allow charging to be very fast
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.
Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
hamdir said:
You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.
daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
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And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4...ures-disastrous-first-and-production-problems
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It will be sad to see them go, downsizing is never pretty. I really hope we'll see a phone running sense in the future generations.. I think the one should have been much more popular than it is.
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Its overdue!!
When a company goes down that fast, major changes are a must!!
Just sack the CEO and let someone else bought the company.
This is very very sad news, also the launch of the One in my country is a disaster.... Not enough unit to sale, only units for pre-ordered customers, delayed 3-4 times. I really hope the doubled manufacture rate of the One will help them get out of this situation...
Google - please buy HTC!!
yes but consider this
if the US staff if being changed or they are leaving on their own, the motherbase is still in Taiwan, if anything those leaving are those who failed HTC so far
Let's not forget the One X main failure was the US market
Slashgear's take on the news
HTC sees more top execs disappear as Facebook fouls First launch
and little less drama
Nonetheless, HTC’s future is about more than just a few high-profile staff looking elsewhere for their next challenge. The company has apparently pushed through its HTC One production issues, with output said to double this month alone, and the unaudited sales figures from April indicated that demand for the flagship was certainly there. HTC has been pushing ahead with cost-cutting, too, axing little-used services like HTC Watch in less popular locations.
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and did the press consider that Eirc is just a guy who left his job and bad mouthing the place
Leigh @jetleigh 9h
Proud to say I work for @HTC. #hatersgonnahate
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https://twitter.com/jetleigh/status/337036907546570752
Leigh @jetleigh 8h
@verge you guys are missing a big piece to this, creates a misleading story. *sigh.*
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Executive hemorrhage continues : http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/4355290/htc-asia-ceo-lennard-hoornik-leaves-company
i dont think this will affect anything at all..they are always people who can do a better job than those who have left
They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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For everyone worried that HTC will no longer exist, just remember that Nokia, Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, and many others still exist even though they have not been relevant for a whole lot longer
hamdir said:
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This from that article would be an absolute disaster.
A reshuffle in how HTC makes its strategy decisions could be part of the reason behind the shake-up, it’s suggested, with the company shifting product planning to the Taipei HQ and potentially leaving the Seattle office out of the loop.Asian companies don't know how to market toward Western audiences and HTC's been historically bad. Controlling it all out of Taiwan would just make things worse. And if you look at where the people went most are in better jobs with bigger and growing companies so "house cleaning" doesn't seem like what's behind their departure. People on the inside have a more accurate view of the present and future and mass exodus is never a good sign.
Here's what Forbes said...
Once an undeniable power in the U.S. smartphone market (second only to Apple ’s iPhone in 2011), the Taiwan-based HTC Corp. is suffering the latest bump in what has been a slow, drawn-out stumble.
The company’s chief product officer, Kouji Kodera, has left the company, according to a report by The Verge. Kodera’s departure is one of a number of recent HTC fence-jumpers, which includes vice president of global communications Jason Gordon, global retail marketing manager Rebecca Rowland, director of digital marketing John Starkweather, and product strategy manager Eric Lin, according to the report. HTC Asia’s CEO Lennard Hoornik has also chosen to leave the company following two months of leave time.
This exodus of talent only worsens a grim outlook for the company in 2013. The HTC One – the company’s latest iPhone-esque smartphone – has not been the game-changer the company needed to bounce back from poor sales in 2012. Investors have taken notice, as they tend to do (eventually) and HTC’s share prices have fallen to $288 from $432 [the One X/S/V launch] this time last year on the Taiwan exchange.http://www.forbes.com/sites/karsten...retreating-in-the-face-of-iphone-and-samsung/
The thing with Eric Lin is that even when he first "introduced" himself to the community at large for I believe it was pocketnow he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009). In terms of PR he was a bad move by the company...In that it doesn't shock me in the least that he is a very outspoken critic of HTC America.
Even speaking with him at some of the live events he's still extremely abrasive...he's a really bad spokesperson for even a company performing well
kurby said:
They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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Good idea. Done.
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he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009).
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So either he was really good at his job and HTC decided to overlook his personality traits or, since he was at HTC for four years, HTC's incompetent for allowing such a key position to be filled with someone not up to the task.
Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
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Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
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Their basing their conclusion on HTC's guidance for Q2 2013 which is below (by 21%) what they actually achieved in Q2 2012 with the X/S/V and that at this point last year their stock price is 33% lower with the One on the market than when the X/S/V were on the market for the same amount of time. I was hoping for HTC's sake that today's big Verizon announcment was that they'd be carrying the One. It turned out to be a partnership with Jennifer Lopez aimed at the U.S. Latin market.
Here's HTC projected performance along with their historical performance (as provided by them).
Off to enjoy my HTC One
Enjoy the stock exchange Barry I share no interest
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By the way, isn't it odd that you only contribute to death stories around this specific forum and nothing to do with the device it self?
At least Baron took a bold step
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157153&page=612
You really don't like HTC at all Barry, do you? Never see you saying anything good about them and always praising Samsung like they have no faults at all and any problems that they do have, you seem to brush them under the carpet like they are non-issues i.e. the screen issues yet when it comes to HTC and a minor problem, it is just an outrage and that this will severely hurt the company according to you......
Regarding this "shake up", just because people have left the company doesn't neccasrily mean that the company is going down, as posted by one of them and an article, it sounds like they weren't happy working at HTC....... how that relates to "the end of HTC", please explain......... besides, it might be a good thing as posted, their marketing is crap (much better this year but still not good enough to match Samsung) and this is one of the most important areas as to if a product will do well combined with sales commissions, Samsung know fine well how it important it is, otherwise they wouldn't be throwing such a stupid amount of money at that department let alone increasing it substantially each year, that is largely why they are so popular and sell so many units as has been proven even if a product gets better reviews and is better overall and is preferred by the majority of users across forums/polls etc. Looking at both devices the other day, HTC one shoved with all the other devices where as the galaxy s4 has its very own stand and the device isn't clamped down anywhere as much and you even have a wee display notice beside the phone saying something like "call for assistance to demonstrate the features" and everywhere you look, you just see GS 4 posters.... this is where HTC and other companies fail big time and is what cost them their sales, X company could have the very best product by miles, however, what is the point if you have Y company that has a device, which isn't as good but are paying/bribing the shops more in order (more than other companies) to push their devices onto the customers?? In that situation, what do you think is going to appeal to the average joe customer more....
Plus HTC need to branch out to more market areas in order to create more brand presence as at the minute, average joes probably view HTC like what we view ZTE etc.
The GS 4 is not the best selling phone purely because of the SD slot and/or removable battery and/or its software gimmicks/features (maybe it is for the likes of most of the people on this forum but not for the mass consumer i.e. average joes and you can quite clearly see this isn't the case as apple aren't having problems with their iphones and sales.....) or/and because it is free of faults (how many note II and GS 3 devices died last year from the sudden death issue?? Surely that would leave a bad taste??? Not to mention when it took Samsung so long to admit that there was a problem let alone fix it.....EDIT: Oh and their awful repair service too! Blaming it on water damage......), GS 4 has more serious issues compared to the one currently i.e. over heating, poor performance in real world usage, screen issues (be it pink/purple tint, red pixels, screen glass or/and AMOLED breaking/cracking with slight pressure), audio issues etc. The one's issues are mainly cosmetic and some aren't even "issues" i.e. that tiny tiny gap at the top/bottom which doesn't even measure in at 1mm can hardly be consider an issue since it normal as the speaker covers aren't part of the zero gap body, if that is consider an issue then every single phone has that issue especially the GS 4, check the camera lens area and back cover parts:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05710-1366741454.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05555.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05553.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05538.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05492.jpg
Heck Samsung could have just released the exact same phone as the GS 3 but with that 1080P screen and they would have still have sold the same amount as what they currently have with the GS 4.
It is just like everything these days especially the game and film industry, you hype and market the **** out of the stuff, they sell millions, however, be bloody awful, you then have your GOTY and film of the year that doesn't sell as well due to the lack of marketing.
/rant
Anyway, back on topic, as I was saying, this could be a good thing, getting new and better people in to carry out those jobs and get some fresh ideas.
Sounds like the CEO needs to go as well......
I tend to think the Sold Out is artificial, how could they not have been ready for roll out with all the ads and publicity?
Perhaps they're purposely trickling them out, waiting on real world reports, before some battery blow up or other fiasco happens and having to recall millions..
Better safe then sorry, right Samsung, Sony?
clockcycle said:
I tend to think the Sold Out is artificial, how could they not have been ready for roll out with all the ads and publicity?
Perhaps they're purposely trickling them out, waiting on real world reports, before some battery blow up or other fiasco happens and having to recall millions..
Better safe then sorry, right Samsung, Sony?
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Seriously, how could Google not understand that their products sell? It started with the Nexus 4 and it's been the same EVERY SINGLE RELEASE.
They do this on purpose it seems, because come holiday season, it's magically available again. Plus, the 32gb Silver XL is still available, how is that possible?
Hopefully it's not a bait and switch where their Hardware vendors run out of a certain part and they have to Source it from a different vendor and it's not the same quality as the original.
ie white casing cracking, black glass being weaker, screens with strange hues, cameras with halos, slower ram, batteries buldging ect..
Black Xl 128 was showing up in stock every 6-7 hrs for 20mins. Then it was Silver Xl 128.. Why not keep allowing preorders and fill orders as they become available?
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Hopefully it's not a bait and switch where their Hardware vendors run out of a certain part and they have to Source it from a different vendor and it's not the same quality as the original.
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Really don't think that's the case. It's probably just waiting maybe an extra week for a new shipment from wherever HTC's manufacturing building is located. Don't be fooled, Google isn't building these things in Mountain View, CA, as they'd have you believe.
I'd really like to see the initial numbers from the Nexus 6P last year. How many were ready to go at launch? They have to have these figures.
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Really don't think that's the case. It's probably just waiting maybe an extra week for a new shipment from wherever HTC's manufacturing building is located. Don't be fooled, Google isn't building these things in Mountain View, CA, as they'd have you believe.
I'd really like to see the initial numbers from the Nexus 6P last year. How many were ready to go at launch? They have to have these figures.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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Google releases batches at a time, I'm convinced of this.
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Google releases batches at a time, I'm convinced of this.
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Unless this in stock tracker is wrong, and I have been watching it since it started tracking and personally checked stock on googles site and confirmed most of the time, youre possibly right
Either that or few come back in stock from cancelled or orders that didnt go through.
http://www.nowinstock.net/electronics/mobilephones/unlocked/googlepixel/
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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NEW IMPROVED PIXEL with 5.7" screen and stylus? hmmmm. before you realize it's too late KA-BOOM!
Man everyone is a conspiracy theorist here?
Google never said these phones were made in the USA. It's widely known that HTC was doing the manufacturing. And to be honest compared to the Nexus's this is the first time a lot of my friends have even mentioned a google phone. Most probably don't know what a Nexus is. That + the previous amount of nexus's sold + the Note 7 Fiasco probably put in way more preorders than expected.
I mean iphones have been selling like hotcakes for years and they sell out too.
ippikiokami said:
Man everyone is a conspiracy theorist here?
Google never said these phones were made in the USA. It's widely known that HTC was doing the manufacturing. And to be honest compared to the Nexus's this is the first time a lot of my friends have even mentioned a google phone. Most probably don't know what a Nexus is. That + the previous amount of nexus's sold + the Note 7 Fiasco probably put in way more preorders than expected.
I mean iphones have been selling like hotcakes for years and they sell out too.
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Widely known? Where in the official documentation and release presentation was HTC mentioned at all? What about the TV commercial spots, or on pixel.google.com?
As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
the Note 7 will have been a big sales booster, I wouldn't have one if my Note hadn't went back and when talking to EE placing the order the rep said the vast majority of people returning the Note's were taking the Pixel and to a smaller extent the iPhone, so chances are with this Google has just hit a gold mine on the back of Samsung's failure.
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ippikiokami said:
As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
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I liked the email I got from O2 telling me to get an xperia for a renowned Sony camera, yet they are in pretty much every phone and the best tend to go to other firms and not the Sony phones.
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Widely known? Where in the official documentation and release presentation was HTC mentioned at all? What about the TV commercial spots, or on pixel.google.com?
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Belimawr said:
the Note 7 will have been a big sales booster, I wouldn't have one if my Note hadn't went back and when talking to EE placing the order the rep said the vast majority of people returning the Note's were taking the Pixel and to a smaller extent the iPhone, so chances are with this Google has just hit a gold mine on the back of Samsung's failure.
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I liked the email I got from O2 telling me to get an xperia for a renowned Sony camera, yet they are in pretty much every phone and the best tend to go to other firms and not the Sony phones.
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While I'm really enjoying the PIxel and it's fast as crap. My wife and I have had Notes since the 2 so yeah pretty much on the same boat. I would have a Note 7 right now if it weren't for the chance of death. Great example too.. Everyone also should say as they are presenting their cameras.. SONY SENSOR. The iphone , pixel, even many Samsung's in the past use them along with most of the phones cameras in the world.
ippikiokami said:
As in every tech review mentions HTC one way or another as the company that helped manufactured. The way you are saying it every single apple presentation should also say ASSEMBLED BY FOXCONN, or MOST PARTS MADE BY SAMSUNG
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Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
stevew84 said:
Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
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Sorry i'm a little confused here. Foxconn assembled all of apples iphones and ipads too? So what difference is there when someone else assembles google's phone.
BTW https://www.google.com/nexus/6p/ Huawei manufactured the 6p and it's only mentioned in a battery test disclaimer at the bottom of this page in the light letters.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...26/blackberry-dtek60-price-announcement-specs
Blackberry in their release to the average joes definitely doesn't mention it's made and mostly based off a TCL design.
I'm not saying there is no marketing shadow games going on here but it's an extremely common thing.
ippikiokami said:
Sorry i'm a little confused here. Foxconn assembled all of apples iphones and ipads too? So what difference is there when someone else assembles google's phone.
BTW https://www.google.com/nexus/6p/ Huawei manufactured the 6p and it's only mentioned in a battery test disclaimer at the bottom of this page in the light letters.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...26/blackberry-dtek60-price-announcement-specs
Blackberry in their release to the average joes definitely doesn't mention it's made and mostly based off a TCL design.
I'm not saying there is no marketing shadow games going on here but it's an extremely common thing.
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Huawei is plastered on the back of the 6P.
I don't know enough about Blackberry to comment.
The only difference between Apple and Google in this case is that Apple doesn't say that their iPhones are built by Apple...at least I don't think so. They don't mention Foxxcon, but they also don't say they built it themselves.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/26/apple_wait_wait_iphone7plus/
To show google isn't the only one having problems meeting demand.
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stevew84 said:
Ask a random person who owns an iPhone 6 "hey, do you know who built your phone?" and I guarantee you that they will say "Apple."
The Pixel was engineered/designed by Google while HTC built it. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's just a little bit of false advertising especially since HTC is a known and current phone designer/builder themselves.
Lastly, I'm not talking about the tech sites that review the Pixel. I'm talking about the lack of HTC in the advertisements that joe schmo will see on TV.
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It's like the Maserati has a Ferrari built engine and is owned by Fiat Chrysler. Why reinvent the wheel, or waste money building wheel making facilities, when you can have an existing manufacturer build them to your specifications. This happens all over the manufacturing world.
LG/Samsung make great screens, Sony makes great camera sensors, Ben & Jerry's make good ice cream..
Anyways, anyone remember the G1? It was the HTC Dream (first phone with Android), it had no HTC logos either. Most it had was T-mobile in front and "with Google" on back.. (I still have mine)
clockcycle said:
It's like the Maserati has a Ferrari built engine and is owned by Fiat Chrysler. Why reinvent the wheel, or waste money building wheel making facilities, when you can have an existing manufacturer build them to your specifications. This happens all over the manufacturing world.
LG/Samsung make great screens, Sony makes great camera sensors, Ben & Jerry's make good ice cream..
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What Google is doing would be as if Ben & Jerry claimed that they make the cup which contains the ice cream.
I know that's a horrible analogy, but I thought it was funny.
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Yea it says made in Taiwan in the back, but Samsung has been known to hoard thier screens, especially now with their Note7 troubles. My main reasoning towards moving to a Pixel is its screen vibrancy.
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Developers options > Picture colour mode
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