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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Nobody really knows when or.. now IF it will come.
Microsoft seems to be hitting issues with and there is not much news in this lately. Somewhere i read is to not expect it until mid 2013 if ever..
NO as far as running any windows os on the iconia. What ever qemu is. if thats a emulator i never seen one to work correctly..so its unlikely and if so would be very slow and buggy..
Sell your A 500.. GET A W500.. i have considered trying to trade mine..
ANYONE INTERESTED .
You can use an app like Splashtop to mirror what your home PC is doing. It will look like it's running Windows...
You can use some Win 8 wallpaper and replicate a Metro look
You can even change the Force Close message to "This program has ended unexpectedly...." AKA Exception Error, AKA General Protection Fault.
ive had this conversation so many times its not even funny.
Mainly, forget about it.
Chances are virtually nonexistant you'll be able to buy windows 8 ARM. Even if there was a way to legally port it, which there isn't, it'd still require a whole new set of drivers (which would be incredibly hard to create) and a proprietary, closed source pre-boot environmentwhich would need to bbe illegally modified to make the os run.
Its pretty much impossible without Microsoft helping, which you know they won't do.
And I also feel it nessarry to point out that you won't be able to run windows x86 programs on windows 8 arm, making it a largely useless platform - you only have access to metro apps, and/or windows phone 7 apps. Stay with android, you'll thank me later.
Android rom on windows hardware . CAN I PLEASE..
Can i install the update .zip .. rom from my tablet to my Windows 7 AMD FUSION Cpu notebook..
can i can i can iiiii can i please....
Windows 8 requirements to battle fragmentation:
http://uk.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleWeb3.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=1911699
Tegra 2 can run Windows 8 !
http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/tegra-2-cameos-at-ballmer-ces-keynote-with-windows-on-arm-demo/
@akram_1 - Your 2nd link refers to the Jan 2011, presentation at CES where MS talked about running Win 8 on a Tegra 2 Tablet but it got no further and as Erica Renee said in post above yours, the whole idea of that setup bit the dust during 2011 when MS decided to quietly back away from the idea.
In Jan 2012 again at CES, MS Windows Chief Marketing Officer demonstrated Win 8 on ARM but this was on a special one off unit using the Tegra 3 chip and Metro.
So please don't hold your breath waiting for Win 8 on ARM running on the A500 otherwise you'll end up in the Guiness Book of Records as the "A500 owner with the bluest face and least detectable pulse rate".
Windows 8 on ARM? Absolutely
Windows 8 on the A500? Highly unlikely
Apparently there will be Windows 8 tablets coming out by the holiday shopping season. If any device will be able to natively run either Android or Windows (or even both in a dual-boot environment), it would most likely be on a device designed and marketed for Windows. In fact, now that I think about it, Android 5 (Jellybean?) will be expected around the same time. Seeing how Android has matured over the last few years, I expect this next version to blow us away. With any hopeful wishing, some tablet manufacturers may release the same hardware built to run both Windows and Android and sell them side-by-side. For example, a hypothetical Acer A900 and W900 would be exactly the same hardware, only difference being the OS, in which case they might just name such a tablet the T900A and T900W. Of course, this is just speculation. Also, I'm expecting a lot of these next-gen tablets to copy the design of the Transformer and Transformer Prime. These tablets will ship with a dock, and the UI will change according to how it's being used. In tablet mode, it will be in the Metro UI, then switch to a more familiar Windows UI when docked. If the hardware is being used interchangeably between Windows and Android, maybe Jellybean will feature different UI's based on which mode is being used. Take Cornerstone for example. Speculation once again, but this is what I'd like to see.
But yeah, as far as Windows on the A500... keep dreaming
Better luch if MS makes a tablet with a arm processor and some no decides to port it. Then you would have wp7 or whatever version they call it. I think right now that is the best you could hope for.
I agree with the above for the most part. I do belive Microsoft under estimated the efforts they would need to put into getting windows to run On arm.When and well If They do get a releasable product
(1) It will surely have one of the 3 fallowing problems . It will maybe run windows LIKE!!! programs And suck battery life.(BAD BAD AND A FAIL)
(2) It will Run windows Program like But be so Huge because of the extra batteries it will be to heavy to be useable.(Like the Current win 7 tabs.To big or no battery life.) This to would BE A BIG FAT FAIL.
(3) It will be a extension of the win phone operating system. The one that people complain about and toss and run back to android. Closed SOURCE very little development for it. Few but expensive apps.. WELL NOTHING MORE TO SAY BUT..
THIS TO IS A Near FAIL . They are huge and bulky or die Quickly..
I have 3 friends that have them. and pack charger and spair battery with them all the time..
The above are what i have been reading all over the web in one form or another..I also think there is something going on in the background behind peoples back.. I THINK LOCKING Devices to the installed OS will eventually be a non flash-able rom chip. with a secondary rom to incorporate updates and fixes to the first.. This would make devices obsolete much Quicker. Its becoming harder and harder for developers to break the boot loaders on these devices.
THE BOOT LOADER and its magic .. i feel is the reason acer has not release ICS. AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT UNTIL THE FIX THIS
Just my Opinion. from what i have read over the last few months . There should be a international Protest NOt TO ACER OR ASUS or samsung .. BUT TO THE WORLD MANUFACTURERS. To get a law to disallow them to lock down NON CONTRACT DEVICES....
Yo, so I installed the windows phone 8 SDK today, only to figure out that most computers in this world will not run this SDK's emulator.
You will need in an i3 or better CPU from intel or equivalent from AMD (aka latest generation) to run the emulator.
You also have to run this emulator on windows 8 x64 (yep, it HAS to be x64, otherwise it won't work). This, by itself, asks for at least 4 GB of RAM to run the system at a decent speed, also forces you to upgrade to windows 8 (i got it for free due to msdn) and to get Visual Studio 12.
This is, in my opinion, a terrible move from microsoft.
Not everybody has CPUs that have all the requirements. In fact, not even all the newest CPUs have this requirement (Second Level Address Translation it is called). This, automatically, makes developers like me either:
get a new PC
Get a windows phone 8 device.
Luckily for me i have a fairly new laptop, which has an i3 CPU capable to run this stupid emulator.
On top of that, there comes the non-backward compatibility from wp8 to wp7.5 apps. Applications compiled for windows phone 8 SDK will not work on Windows phone 7.5, unless you make another project for 7.5, compile it as dll and reference it from your 8 app. This is kinda overkill.
Windows phone 8 will probably bring in a lot of users, but for developers, it is a blow to the head. I bet windows phone 8 submissions will be very, very low in the next 1 to 2 years.
So, is microsoft risking a bit too much with the switch from 7.5 to 8? On top of all the development slaughter, there's the non-upgradable old devices...
Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore and I guess most of them know that. Just look at the front page, not even a single article/news about the Windows (Phone) 8 launch events. It's just android. Even the forum sections for the HTC 8X/S and Samsung ATIV S are missing whereas all the new Google devices have been added shortly after their announcement. So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.
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Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore ....So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.
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so, what forums do wp dev's hang out ?
Are there any lol? I saw about 6 new apps, and one of them (Pandora) won't be out until sometime in 2013!
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MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.
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All in all WP8 announcement was not that good...
also, they didn't release the SDK for us devs in order to build nice apps ready to be distributed for new win8 devices...Making us wait for months like if winphone had killer features hidden..and then it was the same old stuff so... i'm also considering to jump the android ship...
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MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.
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ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?
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ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?
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64 bit is likely to not be the big issue here. I haven't seen to many 32 bit Windows 7 machines. The more problematic move is to lock out everyone who is not using Windows 8. Given that students have access to Windows 8, Visual Studio and the Marketplace for free through Dreamspark that does not sound as that big an issue to me.
In the end it seems they had a reason to go with Hyper-V and Windows-8 simply is the only Desktop operating system which has Hyper-V functionality. The biggest problem is that hardware that is older then 2 years does not support the needed virtualization modes.
How the ecosystem argument plays into this I don't really understand but I guess you meant: new OS that has not that big an installed base yet. Well 4 million upgrades over the last 4 days, not counting the people who bought it with new Hardware or downloaded it from MSDN or Dreamspark it seems to go big rather quickly.
The emulator is a crucial part of application development.
I don't think you want to bring in your early app in alpha stages or even earlier than that on your phone, simply because:
a) you don't have it.
b) Your code might cause damage to the phone, especially on things that use hardware components like vibrators, camera, leds and stuff like that. An unleaded exception can wreck havoc on your phone.
c) The emulator is faster.
Yes, you will eventually need a windows phone 8 device before you publish it, but you should be able to develop your apps before you even have one...
The windows 8 issue is not big. The upgrade from win7 costs like 50 bucks. It is really not that much of an effort.
The insane hardware requirements are, however, and most PCs will not have them. From intel's side, only i3, i5 and i7 processors have what they need, and Pentium dual core for sandy bridge won't...
This is the biggest issue here.
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i'm just a noob, but i think when the devs don't hang out here they hang out nowhere or compared to android extremely rare so that it makes no sense to spend time on...
I wish WP8 RT a good future with Dualboot Android.
Hi guys,
I always dreamed about real Windows on Tablets. Now it's possible. Do you guys think it will be possible to develop Dual boot on those Win 8 RT devices or even powered enough Android Tablets of the Future?
Thx in advance for your opinions.
cheers
No.
Windows 8 tablets and phones have a security chip which prevents any code, other than windows, from being run at start-up.
Secure Boot should prevent any code not signed by a known certificate from being run - this will include all Android kernels unless they are signed by the manufacturer and the according signature loaded into the UEFI's store.
So unless someone finds a way to crack the UEFI on a certain device that is a no.
Oh my god why would they do that? The appstore? Damn baddest News this year -.-
But thank you For your answers.
Cheers
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Someone will crack it, just don't expect it to be any time soon.
I hope so, i think it's an pretty mainstream want. So the chances are good that many devs will try this and one Magic Dev will do it...:fingers-crossed:
I have waited from the IP1 until IP4 to buy an Smartphone. Because before it was just useless playstuff. (for me) So i can wait at least 1 or 2 Generations for this. I don't think about buying an RT device now or even this year.
cheers
I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
Not sure how well Android works on Intel. I'd suggest doing some reading before spending any money.
No serious person will buy RT especially when you can get real Windows/Pro for the same price.
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Windows RT is not an operating system, it is a framework (why it is called Run Time) in which all metro apps are developed.
Tablets will come with windows 8 pro but with desktop frameworks disabled (who would use a desktop on a tablet anyway?), so you will be stacked with the metro interface (the mythical RT) which was created for the sole purpose of using on a tablet.
You won't explicitly buy "Windows RT" just as you don't explicitly buy "Windows Phone"
That's actually wrong. There is Windows 8 (the follow up to the previous Home Editions) and Windows 8 Pro (the follow up to the previous Professional Editions). Then there is Windows RT which is the ARM version of Windows 8 and yes they call it Windows RT.
Then there is the APIs which are called WinRT, as in Win32 for the Desktop APIs. In that regard Windows RT is a version of Windows where there is no access to Win32.
Yes Microsoft naming conventions are as confusing as this, see here for Microsoft's own comparison chart: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime
They call it WIndows RT because that's the basic framework in which it runs.
WindowsRT is, by all means, a runtime and not a complete operating system. They used this naming convention so that they do not confuse the developers (WinRT is actually integrated in windows 8 and windows 8 pro). However, their naming convention confuses the customers. Windows RT is not something you buy directly(and therefore can not be classified as a product in their shop, i wonder why the lolz they post it there), and as i said, it comes preinstalled on some devices, just like windows phone is.
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I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
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Windows 8 is for x86/x64
Windows RT is for ARM
No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.
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No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.
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That's true. However, if you have a Windows 8 tablet, you get almost everything offered by Windows RT and more.
- You can run apps from the Windows Store in Windows 8.
- Same 'Metro' interface on both Windows 8 and Windows RT.
i.e. Windows RT is effectively an ARM version of Windows 8. Both are suitable for use on tablets.
I believe there are some downsides, however:
- No free Office RT in Windows 8.
- Connected standby apparently doesn't work on the more powerful Intel chips (although I believe it is coming in Haswell). I have heard it works in Clovertrail however.
- Possibly thicker devices, worse battery life or need for cooling fans (depending on CPU) on Intel tablets.
Additionally, in Windows 8, you can run old x86 desktop applications, which you can't on RT.
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
Why, just why.
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Why, just why.
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I was going to try and install visual studio...
Edit:
I'm open to ideas on this one. For example, I know that windows 7/8 could be run from a USB drive. Can I load them from the Nexus 10? Is this even possible?
Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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Why, just why.
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Why not? It's a Nexus device, running Android, your open to a lot of experimenting and customization
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Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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I have successfully booted to Win 95 and Win 98 on an Orange San Francisco.
My final aim is to be able to use visual studio though...
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
OP DUDE!!! CANCEL THE NEXUS 10!! QUICK before its delivered!!! What you need isn't a fast and powerful flagship android device. You need the ViewSonic Viewpad 10"!!!!!!
Another idea might be to setup a dedicated computer (or a regular computer) and install Splashtop 2, and just remote control it
Cinizzz said:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
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Get a Surface.
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This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I like your ideas, especially ssh. Are there ready made applications for that or you're doing that through a linux os?
Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Thanks a lot for this useful explanation!! Some sort of RDP over the web would be enough for me
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
Why would anyone want to run Win RT on top of Android? For the great selection of Win RT apps?
It's funny, because peeps in the Surface RT forum are excitedly jabbering about getting Bluestacks so they can run Android apps. The grass is always greener on the wrong side of the fence.
Now, if someone were to get iPad apps running on Android, then you've got my interest.
Anyway, I think the grand plan for MS is to get apps to run on all three of their platforms, PC, tab, and phone. The PC will drive app development, and hopefully those apps will also work on the smaller devices. It's kind of Android in reverse, where phones are driving development for tablets--well, in theory at least. The diff is that Android is entrenched in phones, while MS still can't get traction anywhere in mobile.
Windows RT doesn't support Active Directory so it's more or less useless in the corporate environment.
But one reason I would still be interested in running RT on Nexus 10 is it's powerful RT Office 2013 suite.
Of course, MS is working on Office for Android. Hopefully, it will be released soon.
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According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Interesting... Seems Windows RT future has too many unknowns at this point.
Anyway, those who are interested in the subject, may want to check out this long MSDN thread that starts with Sinofsky letter describing, among other things, what OE partners have to do to bundle WOA (Windows-on-ARM) with their chip implementation.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT is solely for ARM devices. Windows 8 is x86/x64. That said, it will take some serious hacking to get RT to run on not sanctioned devices.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT = ARM. Windows 8 = x86/64.
Microsoft is relying on the confusion to market RT. It has more in common with Windows Phone 8, except with the same UI as Windows 8. None of the same capability as the desktop version- can't join a domain, no active directory support, mandated locked bootloader (no flashing other OSes), signed executables that can only be installed from the official app store. This means that there's no compatibility whatsoever with running apps and games made for previous versions of Windows (ie- no executing exe files). No ability to run Steam and your existing game library. I'm not even sure if it will connect to Samba file shares on the network natively (it may require apps like Android and iOS to do this).
In short, Microsoft crippled RT to the point where it has no real advantages over Android or iOS. Of course, it's not bad, but the Surface and other WinRT tablets are pricing themselves out of the market while relying on market confusion to catch unsuspecting [legacy] Windows users.
You can't install/run a x86 OS on a ARM processor. Not sure why anyone would want to anyways. Windows on tablets has been around for years and guess what it's a big failure. I like Windows and have a triple monitor system at home, and a dual monitor at work, and a personal ultrabook however Windows 7 and earlier were not touch friendly and made for a bad experience on touchscreen computers. If you want "Windows" on your Nexus 10 just RDP into your Windows workstation...
https://www.reddit.com/r/zenfone2/comments/3lv999/good_newssort_of/cv9mn3a?context=3
Someone from Asus posted a thread on reddit regarding updates and I asked about Win10 and he said look to XDA for help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.
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Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.
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Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.
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Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.
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I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.
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I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.
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But the question at this point is how well will they run at initial release?
Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.
thank god for that i already have to deal with windows on my pc wouldnt want it on my phone aswell hell no only on pc for one main reason direct x and leading os for game support
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We will not support anything other than the official Android releases.
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This makes sense for ASUS' business interests, that I do not dispute - it's a little disappointing for XDA though, @Tuanies. You did seem interested in asking around about graphics drivers which would enable faster virtualization - was that successful? I ask because I got 64-bit Arch Linux (and Ubuntu) to boot natively on my ZenFone, and I've been meaning to get KDE Plasma Mobile into a usable state, but I'm stuck with a lot of closed drivers from Android which are 32-bit-only and unusable with libhybris. WiFi, unaccelerated graphics, multitouch input, battery status, and screen brightness controls are about the only things that do work - no sound, Bluetooth, calls/texts/data, or almost anything else works currently. Open source drivers from Intel would be amazing, but I might be able to get by with closed 64-bit libraries. Of course, no ETA for that from ASUS leads me to believe Intel isn't going to supply 64-bit Android binaries for their Moorefield chips. I haven't seen 64-bit Android on any other Atom Z35xx device yet, so I have a feeling it's not within the control of any OEM.
TL;DR, it would be great to know that Intel still actually supports their Moorefield Atom SoCs and is committed to 64-bit Android. I would ask them if I knew who to talk to, but alas I don't. @Tuanies, if you are able, please let us know if you can glean anything from Intel regarding 64-bit Android drivers or whether they are able to open up any other components. I'd greatly appreciate documentation for writing an oFono driver for the XMM7262 (LTE) and XMM2230 (2G GSM) modems, although like with the PowerVR drivers, I'm not holding my breath. Thanks!
I was not able to get PowerVR drivers for Moorefield, unfortunately . No updates on the 64-bit binaries either :-\.
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Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.
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Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?
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Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?
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Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.
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Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.
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So that's a no, nothing's changed on what's already been announced. I'm pretty sure if developers don't do it themselves, someone will find a way to make them work.
I owned many different phones, tablets and in my opinion the Android OS is the best for phones. I would not mind installing Linux (mint) on my tablet tho
I still don't get why you'd want windows on this phone other than as a "just because you can" exercise. Windows isn't suddenly going to have better mobile apps than android, and the android apps that are probably/possibly going to run on windows obviously already run on your android phone which they were designed for. And if you are talking full windows, the screen is too small, the phone has only one USB port, and while improved over previous generations, the atom in our phone is still no match for a proper full power desktop or laptop CPU. Oh, and most people only have 16 or 32 GB on-board storage.
If I could dual boot Windows and Android, I'd have the best of both worlds... but the Windows thing's important so I can consolidate my needs into a single device.
So that I can plug in a USB host cable, USB hub, plug in a USB-to-VGA adapter & wireless mouse/keyboard combo, and have a full PC anywhere I go, with 4GB of RAM.
Plenty of cheap-o Windows tablets out there with soldered on 32GB of onboard storage. (I actually own the Microcenter one, and it works really, /really/ well, all things considered. Runs the Windows applications I need it to: http://www.microcenter.com/product/440932/TW802_Tablet_-_Black the Winbook TW02 )
And it's not about the apps. It's about having a Windows PC in my god dang pocket.
For me, and I suspect some other people, it's a lot more than a 'just because you can' exercise. All that shows is a lack of imagination.