Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
Why, just why.
fixyourtech said:
Why, just why.
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I was going to try and install visual studio...
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I'm open to ideas on this one. For example, I know that windows 7/8 could be run from a USB drive. Can I load them from the Nexus 10? Is this even possible?
Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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Why, just why.
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Why not? It's a Nexus device, running Android, your open to a lot of experimenting and customization
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Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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I have successfully booted to Win 95 and Win 98 on an Orange San Francisco.
My final aim is to be able to use visual studio though...
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
OP DUDE!!! CANCEL THE NEXUS 10!! QUICK before its delivered!!! What you need isn't a fast and powerful flagship android device. You need the ViewSonic Viewpad 10"!!!!!!
Another idea might be to setup a dedicated computer (or a regular computer) and install Splashtop 2, and just remote control it
Cinizzz said:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
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Get a Surface.
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This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I like your ideas, especially ssh. Are there ready made applications for that or you're doing that through a linux os?
Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Thanks a lot for this useful explanation!! Some sort of RDP over the web would be enough for me
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
Why would anyone want to run Win RT on top of Android? For the great selection of Win RT apps?
It's funny, because peeps in the Surface RT forum are excitedly jabbering about getting Bluestacks so they can run Android apps. The grass is always greener on the wrong side of the fence.
Now, if someone were to get iPad apps running on Android, then you've got my interest.
Anyway, I think the grand plan for MS is to get apps to run on all three of their platforms, PC, tab, and phone. The PC will drive app development, and hopefully those apps will also work on the smaller devices. It's kind of Android in reverse, where phones are driving development for tablets--well, in theory at least. The diff is that Android is entrenched in phones, while MS still can't get traction anywhere in mobile.
Windows RT doesn't support Active Directory so it's more or less useless in the corporate environment.
But one reason I would still be interested in running RT on Nexus 10 is it's powerful RT Office 2013 suite.
Of course, MS is working on Office for Android. Hopefully, it will be released soon.
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According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Interesting... Seems Windows RT future has too many unknowns at this point.
Anyway, those who are interested in the subject, may want to check out this long MSDN thread that starts with Sinofsky letter describing, among other things, what OE partners have to do to bundle WOA (Windows-on-ARM) with their chip implementation.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT is solely for ARM devices. Windows 8 is x86/x64. That said, it will take some serious hacking to get RT to run on not sanctioned devices.
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Windows RT = ARM. Windows 8 = x86/64.
Microsoft is relying on the confusion to market RT. It has more in common with Windows Phone 8, except with the same UI as Windows 8. None of the same capability as the desktop version- can't join a domain, no active directory support, mandated locked bootloader (no flashing other OSes), signed executables that can only be installed from the official app store. This means that there's no compatibility whatsoever with running apps and games made for previous versions of Windows (ie- no executing exe files). No ability to run Steam and your existing game library. I'm not even sure if it will connect to Samba file shares on the network natively (it may require apps like Android and iOS to do this).
In short, Microsoft crippled RT to the point where it has no real advantages over Android or iOS. Of course, it's not bad, but the Surface and other WinRT tablets are pricing themselves out of the market while relying on market confusion to catch unsuspecting [legacy] Windows users.
You can't install/run a x86 OS on a ARM processor. Not sure why anyone would want to anyways. Windows on tablets has been around for years and guess what it's a big failure. I like Windows and have a triple monitor system at home, and a dual monitor at work, and a personal ultrabook however Windows 7 and earlier were not touch friendly and made for a bad experience on touchscreen computers. If you want "Windows" on your Nexus 10 just RDP into your Windows workstation...
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I like the design and spec of Adam but I would also need proper usability from it. By proper I mean word, excel, usb to Com cables in general Windows 7.
Would it be possible to install Windows 7 on the device and how hard would it be?
I have not see the device in action so does anyone know does it have PC style bios or more like bootloader on smartphones?
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That would be hard. Not impossible.
The thing is I doubt anyone will actually waste hundreds of hours to get a worse operating system running.
(I say it's worse because it's not tablet optimized)
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Not worse, just heavier because more usable as PC. For me Android is the worse one as yo have no proper apps that make it usable as PC.
As said if I could get ubuntu to run with office on it I would not think about windows 7 but I can not even do that.
Andoid main problem is the same as one on apple ipad it is a OS for phones.
Adam started out as a dual boot Linux/ Android tablet.
Have not heard anything re Linux boot for a while though.
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I seen on forum for ink that they have image for ubuntu but still no office on it.
Grr I always loved tablet idea TBH even when they were called slates.
Until late I had my HP TC1100 and was very happy but it is lucking now in performance for win7 and office 2010. Also it is so "used" now that paint is coming off.
Oh well will have to wait for a win7 dedicated tablet.
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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Well since they patented Windows 7 core to work with Arm in December one would hope that will be overcome. Apparently there will be al ighter version of Win7 for ARM based systems. Hmm we will see but fro now HP Slate 500 is the best bet.
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Well if I wanted to use open office I wuld not ask for windows 7 would just go to ubuntu directly. Openoffice suck badly no matter what people say, if you do tons of docs, formatting and scripting in excel you need proper, real office.
Anything else I could deal with on linux just not lack of that.
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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Only time will tell for sure. Right now we can't figure that out as there is no ARM version available. Once they make one I'm sure that people will start trying.
I was just wondering, i know that there are plenty of Remote Access clients for the android, but what about a virtualPC? I would love be able to work in a windows environment when i don't have access to the interent.
With phones like the Motorola Atrix and other dual cores with plenty of memory this doesnt' seem like it's the most far fetched thing, right? Is it already available?
It's easy to emulate a Linux distro (minus a GUI cos the framebuffer I think..) but you'll be waiting for an eight-core Android phone to emulate a x86 or 64bit PC well.
ARM =/= Intel / AMD, as such, no Windows.
However, if Microsoft release an ARM version of Windows...
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Do a search on here (xda) for qemu, you can have a fully working copy of XP running
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It's easy to emulate a Linux distro (minus a GUI cos the framebuffer I think..) but you'll be waiting for an eight-core Android phone to emulate a x86 or 64bit PC well.
ARM =/= Intel / AMD, as such, no Windows.
However, if Microsoft release an ARM version of Windows...
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it's a question of when, not if.
microsoft already announced that they're releasing windows 8 for arm
and they showed off a demo of office at CES
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it's a question of when, not if.
microsoft already announced that they're releasing windows 8 for arm
and they showed off a demo of office at CES
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So how hard would porting it be?
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well qemu for android is very beta, i mean VERY. but, on the top side it might boot XP, (not like it would work well without the dual core atrix or similar) but it would lag really bad. the HTC Evo might be able to run windows 98 or 2000 very well, but that being said it would also lag. you can try bochs/qemu for android. give it a shot, it is very straight forward to use, just put the windowsxp.img file in SDL on the SDCARD. and bam! it will boot, not saying it will be an amazing emulation, like i said before, very beta..
I'm not advocating anything here but there is a version of XP called tinyxp and as long as you have purchased XP and have a valid key its legal, the benefit of tinyxp: it runs on 40Mb of ram, and extremely low system requirements otherwise. Just make sure you have purchased XP in the past to keep it on the up and up. considering ubuntu, debian, win2k have all ran very well on my 1.8ghz ocd mytouch4g id bet tiny XP would run even better as it has less requirements than 2k pro
Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
Please save "why would you want to use Windows" comments. This is a mature developer website, send those comments to Engadget.
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Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
Please save "why would you want to use Windows" comments. This is a mature developer website, send those comments to Engadget.
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This being a "mature developer website" has a search function and q&a section. Both would lead you to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259742
Anyway, only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia (or any other android tablet). I haven't heard of wp7 being ported to an android phone, so I wouldn't bet on it. Still I can see the potential in it and would gladly try it (especially if it can be made as dual-boot).
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Downloaded and installed the "Developers Preview" of Win 8 last night. Remember this is a pre-beta release, and for certain it's in it's infancy relatively speaking. As of this moment in time, Android has a much smoother interface for touch. Win 8 still feels a bit sticky for lack of a better word. I installed it on my HP Touchsmart TM2 2150 US laptop (core i3 with 8Gb ram), so it's not exactly a slouch in terms of hardware. It's a total touch screen laptop that has a screen that folds down onto the keyboard to create a tablet. As of this moment, Win 7 has a much better touch screen experience, but I fully expect that to change as the builds mature.
There are very few apps that come with it (28 I believe), and no app store as of yet obviously.
I read last night that typical Windows apps will not run on the ARM version of Win 8, and that MS is going to do it's best to prevent side loading of apps on the ARM version to keep people purchasing apps, instead of loading them from a USB stick or SD card, but that is just rumor as of right now.
Long story short, you're not missing much yet.
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only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8
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Some of us already have an a500. No need to bring up another piece of hardware. "Yeah your Honda s2000 can fit a Corvette engine, but why not get a Corvette instead"
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
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The OP was asking about the ARM version of win8, so I seriously doubt that it is about the w500.
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I installed Windows 8 on my pc a few hours ago. It is very smooth! But my DVD burner doesn't work... Anyway, I would love to see it on the A500.
Here's a preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running an AMD chip instead of a Tegra:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
Windows 8
Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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Look at HTC HD2, illegal?! I think no retail arm based version. No retail maybe dev can port. Maybe it is hard to port and that is the be ass.
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Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
It's also been demoed running on Tegra 3 hardware.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel, much like Apple did with the first x86 versions of OSX, but that would be horrendously slow and open the ARM platform to x86 malware.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel
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I know there was such a rumour, but anyone with half a braincell should've realized that it was just wishful thinking from people who don't know what they're talking about.
ARM devices are first and foremost mobile devices so an emulation layer would eat horribly on the battery. Not to mention that I am not aware of a single ARM processor sporting any kind of hardware virtualization features or transcoding mechanisms, so the performance would be really poor, too.
And if Microsoft did make such an emulation layer it would be Microsoft that would get all the blame for horribly low battery-life and poor performance because people wouldn't understand the underlying problem. Microsoft saves themselves a lot bad PR just by avoiding the whole thing altogether.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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They're already churning lawyers at full speed from their arses, there's no more capacity for HTML5 there, too.
Maybe it will soon be possible to run android and windows nt nativly at the same time on the SGT!
how? - ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/ (if you are going to test it in a virtual machine dont' use the 0.3.14 version of os, use the trunk build version its much much much better)
ReactOS is an open source windows clone and most of the windows applications work on it ! (MS office, opera, ff, ...) the good news is there is an ARM port of ReactOS - Windows RT equivalent:
http://www.reactos.org/wiki/ARM_Port
ReactOS still has problems to work on real hardware because of many different components but on some PC it works very well (it can be targeted to SGT fix the bugs)
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
Windows will soon release a Office ARM version for winRT and in order to run any windows application on the SGT a recompile is needed.
and about android there is already a port of android that runs native on windowsne emulation no virtual machine !!)
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/...tm_medium=feed
If anyone has any coding skills it would be nice to try to port reactos to the SGT or just to donate to the project with the subject "arm port for SGT"
This runs pretty well even at alpha stage, I tested it in virtualbox in my laptop, and I'll test it on emulator in my SGT soon... they've planned to bring it up to windows 8... hope that everyone interested here will help the fundraising...
I posted this just to keep this thread up, so don't blame me for not saying anything useful...
I think(theory) that it will run very smoothly on SGT, because it only uses 6mb of graphic memory, I tested it with 256mb RAM and 500mb HDD, and it was better than my expectations!
I really recommend all to try it...:good:
While I applause the developers efforts and certainly see potential benefit..I wonder still if it not more practical to remote desktop as thin client using an app like splashtop for full windows desktop usability?
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Awesome
This is awesome! Great work!
This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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Why you gotta get greedy 5 posts in?
I have 20 US Dollars for the first person that can port even an alpha of this, and an extra 15 USD to anyone who can fix up our Ubuntu port (everything needed to fix the kernel is available in Samsung's ICS kernel). There are just too many sweet things that we get close to but never actually get.
Has there even been any Android based device that has had ReactOS running on it ever?
It sounds like OP is just rambling nonsense and wishful thinking.
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
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What is the basis for this statement? Has someone demonstrated any ReactOS code running on a Tegra 2? Is it simply because someone put up that ARM Port section of the wiki? The ARM CPUs represent a wide range of devices. Just because someone decided to put up a blurb about that doesn't mean we are anywhere close to getting a worth while port of ReactOS running on this device.
Why is there a link to some Slashdot story from 1998?
Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
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Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
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You really can't compare a weak Tegra 2 processor to a much more powerful Intel processor, based on two totally different architectures, running two totally different OSes, two totally different tablets with entirely different specs... You're comparing a snail to a Toyota sports car.
Try out a Tegra 4 tablet or a Snapdragon 800 tablet... That's some good stuff. Nexus 10 too, Exynos is a beast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/zenfone2/comments/3lv999/good_newssort_of/cv9mn3a?context=3
Someone from Asus posted a thread on reddit regarding updates and I asked about Win10 and he said look to XDA for help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
mogrith said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.
xbbdc said:
Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.
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Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.
DrGit said:
Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.
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I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.
xbbdc said:
I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.
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But the question at this point is how well will they run at initial release?
Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.
thank god for that i already have to deal with windows on my pc wouldnt want it on my phone aswell hell no only on pc for one main reason direct x and leading os for game support
Tuanies said:
We will not support anything other than the official Android releases.
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This makes sense for ASUS' business interests, that I do not dispute - it's a little disappointing for XDA though, @Tuanies. You did seem interested in asking around about graphics drivers which would enable faster virtualization - was that successful? I ask because I got 64-bit Arch Linux (and Ubuntu) to boot natively on my ZenFone, and I've been meaning to get KDE Plasma Mobile into a usable state, but I'm stuck with a lot of closed drivers from Android which are 32-bit-only and unusable with libhybris. WiFi, unaccelerated graphics, multitouch input, battery status, and screen brightness controls are about the only things that do work - no sound, Bluetooth, calls/texts/data, or almost anything else works currently. Open source drivers from Intel would be amazing, but I might be able to get by with closed 64-bit libraries. Of course, no ETA for that from ASUS leads me to believe Intel isn't going to supply 64-bit Android binaries for their Moorefield chips. I haven't seen 64-bit Android on any other Atom Z35xx device yet, so I have a feeling it's not within the control of any OEM.
TL;DR, it would be great to know that Intel still actually supports their Moorefield Atom SoCs and is committed to 64-bit Android. I would ask them if I knew who to talk to, but alas I don't. @Tuanies, if you are able, please let us know if you can glean anything from Intel regarding 64-bit Android drivers or whether they are able to open up any other components. I'd greatly appreciate documentation for writing an oFono driver for the XMM7262 (LTE) and XMM2230 (2G GSM) modems, although like with the PowerVR drivers, I'm not holding my breath. Thanks!
I was not able to get PowerVR drivers for Moorefield, unfortunately . No updates on the 64-bit binaries either :-\.
Tuanies said:
Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.
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Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?
xbbdc said:
Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?
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Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.
ycavan said:
Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.
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So that's a no, nothing's changed on what's already been announced. I'm pretty sure if developers don't do it themselves, someone will find a way to make them work.
I owned many different phones, tablets and in my opinion the Android OS is the best for phones. I would not mind installing Linux (mint) on my tablet tho
I still don't get why you'd want windows on this phone other than as a "just because you can" exercise. Windows isn't suddenly going to have better mobile apps than android, and the android apps that are probably/possibly going to run on windows obviously already run on your android phone which they were designed for. And if you are talking full windows, the screen is too small, the phone has only one USB port, and while improved over previous generations, the atom in our phone is still no match for a proper full power desktop or laptop CPU. Oh, and most people only have 16 or 32 GB on-board storage.
If I could dual boot Windows and Android, I'd have the best of both worlds... but the Windows thing's important so I can consolidate my needs into a single device.
So that I can plug in a USB host cable, USB hub, plug in a USB-to-VGA adapter & wireless mouse/keyboard combo, and have a full PC anywhere I go, with 4GB of RAM.
Plenty of cheap-o Windows tablets out there with soldered on 32GB of onboard storage. (I actually own the Microcenter one, and it works really, /really/ well, all things considered. Runs the Windows applications I need it to: http://www.microcenter.com/product/440932/TW802_Tablet_-_Black the Winbook TW02 )
And it's not about the apps. It's about having a Windows PC in my god dang pocket.
For me, and I suspect some other people, it's a lot more than a 'just because you can' exercise. All that shows is a lack of imagination.