[Q] Is Nexus 4 good for development? - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am new to Android development and going to do some system level development, e.g. kernel driver, custom ROM and etc, and looking for a new device to replace my old 2.2 one.
Nexus 4 is good to me since it's cheap and runs Android 4.x. However it does not have an SD card. So in case of system crash or bad ROM, how can I recover it? Furthermore, is it good for normal Java dev?
Thanks in advance.

rayyang said:
I am new to Android development and going to do some system level development, e.g. kernel driver, custom ROM and etc, and looking for a new device to replace my old 2.2 one.
Nexus 4 is good to me since it's cheap and runs Android 4.x. However it does not have an SD card. So in case of system crash or bad ROM, how can I recover it? Furthermore, is it good for normal Java dev?
Thanks in advance.
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Dude I don't mean to be rude but if you don't know the answers to these basic questions then maybe development isn't for you. You recover in many ways, by flashing an image file in fastboot or use a custom recovery to restore a nandroid backup if you have one installed. You can store said backups on a pc if your worried about the phones storage being wiped.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010338

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Please excuse the above poster. He meant to welcome you to our community and hope you encounter good fortune during your stay...
Most, if not all, Android phones have a low level recovery utility that is separate from the main storage. In the case of the Nexus 4, you will always be able to reboot by holding down power if the system hangs. In the case of an irreparable system error, you can access the aforementioned recovery utility by holding the Volume down button before and during boot up.
Please, don't let users like this deter you from development. Please use the stickied threads in N4 Development and General to familiarize yourself with Android's idiosyncrasies and xda etiquette.
To Kzoodroid: the guy is new to Android. If he's doing low level work such as kernels, he's clearly more knowledgeable about the development than you are. Knowing how to recover isn't indicative of programming expertise (you definitely don't need the former to have the latter). Recovery is unique to each platform. He's not a UX guy. He's not a skinner or themer. He is the nuts-and-bolts guy.

Thank you guys - both
I'm ok with kzoodroid's message as this is not the worst one I have ever seen - just reminded me what happened to me 13+ years ago in a newsgroup.
It's good to know that I have more choices to recover my device since in the past months I just used SD card to do that on my old ZTE-V9 and thought that's the only way.
Btw: Is there an article or web resource to explain more Android kernel/system level stuff? As many information available are just for user space development with few system diagrams which are not quite useful to me. For example, (data?) partitions, blocks, governor, scheduler and etc. I can get some of them by googling - threads from this forum as well, but still want to get some comprehensive understanding. Or I can look at Embedded Linux to get detailed ideas? Sorry to ask this here since I cannot post anything in the general dev section yet.
Thanks.

Welcome to XDA and the Nexus4 is a developers dream

galaxys said:
Welcome to XDA and the Nexus4 is a developers dream
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Thanks. I just thought it's from google and would be easier for me to get its kernel/system code (and updates in future)

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Hung0702 said:
*Ahem*
Please excuse the above poster. He meant to welcome you to our community and hope you encounter good fortune during your stay...
Most, if not all, Android phones have a low level recovery utility that is separate from the main storage. In the case of the Nexus 4, you will always be able to reboot by holding down power if the system hangs. In the case of an irreparable system error, you can access the aforementioned recovery utility by holding the Volume down button before and during boot up.
Please, don't let users like this deter you from development. Please use the stickied threads in N4 Development and General to familiarize yourself with Android's idiosyncrasies and xda etiquette.
To Kzoodroid: the guy is new to Android. If he's doing low level work such as kernels, he's clearly more knowledgeable about the development than you are. Knowing how to recover isn't indicative of programming expertise (you definitely don't need the former to have the latter). Recovery is unique to each platform. He's not a UX guy. He's not a skinner or themer. He is the nuts-and-bolts guy.
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Ace Think Tank [Noob friendly - softbricks, bootloops, edify, etc]

If you are serious about Android then be prepared to read - that is the one thing which will separate you from the average user.
To get you started you will need to know a few basics before you can start contributing to a community which has dedicated themselves in bringing better Operating Systems (Roms) to our phones. By knowing these basic steps you will be able to help iron out bugs from whatever Rom you have decided to keep on your phone and thus, improving your own user experience.
If you are completely new to this then you should read Glevitan's Starter Guide. It contains everything you need to know and it is a mandatory prerequisite before you can post in this thread seaking help.
Now that you have read and understood some of the terminology and how to recover from possible issues, you can root your phone with the A high-level DHD/Inspire manual S-OFF hack concept for advanced users [NOTE: The AAHK HAS BEEN RETIRED FOR NOOBS. IT IS FOR ADVANCE USERS ONLY. REFER TO THIS STICKY INSTEAD [How to] ROOT without the Hack Kit] Even if you do encounter issues, knowing the terminology, what you did and what went wrong will help communicating your issue so we can find a way to solve it. If you read the starter guide you should know that we don't recommend using HTC dev to unlock your bootloader. However, if you did go this route you can read this helpful guide: [NOOB] Flashing a custom ROM & getting it to boot IF bootloader is htcdev unlocked. And finally, our own resident and esteemed Glevitan is working on a tool to make it easier for you all. [ROOT] [TOOL] Easy Ace Root Tool
After having spent some time in the XDA threads reading a lot more than what you should post, you will have realized that almost any question you could possibly think about has already been asked over a dozen times and why so many emphasize the importance of searching for your answer first. You would also come to realize what are the benefits of setting up ADB. Among one of ADB (Android debug Bridge - [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More! and [GUIDE]ADB Workshop and Guide for everyone) uses is creating logcats. These logcats help developers finding what is causing a bug and how to fix it. This is a quick [Tutorial] How To Logcat. However, this quick tutorial will only help you get started. Keep in mind that apps like aLogcat or Catlog could shorten important output from the log. Another one: Learn to logcat like a Pro!
To be able to help developers create a better user experience for us, we need to create a bug report. The reason why we first need to search the forum is to avoid confusing the developer by cluttering the thread with repeated reports, of bugs and questions which as mentioned earlier, most likely have already been asked. To have a better understanding of the different instances we can create logs, then have a look at: [TUT]Report a bug I do believe this can not be emphasized enough and thus, what better way than reading it from existz own words.
Making your own Android Rom: Some advice..
You can find some relevant and not so relevant links in the second and third post.
Forum Rules
A Short Guide To Open-Source And Similar Licenses
Team:
Gizmoe
Bananagranola
Glevitan
Teichopsia
GuyInTheCorner
Muikkuman
sashank
hdorius
We are all here attempting to return what the community has given us - constantly deconstructing the OP in lieu of a better organization.
Thread Index​
Page#1, post#7 Noob Starter Guide by Glevitan.
Goes to a different thread (Guide) (Beginners) You have rooted your phone, now what can you do Thanks to GuyintheCorner.
Goes to a different thread Steps to flashing ROM - Thanks to sashank.
Page#1, post#8 FAQ's by Hdrorius.
Page#18, post#179 Booting into recovery, Full wipe and flashing, How to restore after formatting the SD card.
Page#1, post#9 [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More!, thanks to andyharney.
Page#14, post#133 [Tutorial] How To Logcat Thanks to andyharney. This will take you directly to the OP.
Page #2, post #19 "I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD." Thanks to Blasphemer666 for the report.
Page#3, post#24 Radio - Location mapping project by Xeleth.
Page#4, post#35 CPU+FAN+Overclocking brief discussion, Continues here, And here, Here as well, One more, Another one, Doesn't seem to end, Finally Ending in post#42
Page#5, post#45 British cure for Hangovers - by a 15yr old
Page#9, post#82 How to check which camara sensor you have, thanks to GuyInTheCorner.
Page#18, post#172 Radio, Ril discussion.
Page#22, post#213 Random Links
Page#28, post#273 A little guide on flashing radios the PD98IMG.zip way Thanks to Xeleth - link will take you to the OP.
Page#37, post#368 Enabling the right click button in LinuxMint It all started on post#316. A special thanks to bananagranola for the step by step guidance.
Page#40, post#396 [NOOB] Flashing a custom ROM & getting it to boot IF bootloader is htcdev unlocked Thanks to sashank.
Page#52, post#514 [TUT] Edify Scripts (Creating flashable zips) Thanks to sashank.
Page#57, post#569 Inspire - Aroma Installer calibration values.
Page#67, post#668 Links to learn how to program.
Page#69, post#687 Stuff to say about dalvik cache and data wiping. Thanks to sashank, continues on post #689.
Page#76, post#757 adb devices not listed linux Udev, Udev Rules, etc., still under construction.
Page#78, post#776 pd98img.zip / 4ext touch recovery RC7.
Page#83, post#822 Short flashable zip explanation / guide. Thanks to bananagranola.
Page #164 [Guide][How to]Disable hardware key and light functions. thanks to hdorius.
Gold Card Generator Kinda a do it yourself thing.
Page#200, post#1992 Links to learn Java and Linux - but mostly linux
Links​
Freenode IRC chan. #htc-ace - DHD/Inspire, a place to hang out and generally talk about anything pertaining to these devices. Thanks to synergydev.
#AceRoot - S-OFF support, Thanks to Glevitan
XDA University
[Lists]Guide Ride-From a Newbie to a Dev, Get all you need here
Android Debug Bridge.
zeppelinrox
[RC9] ULTIMATIC RC6! [EXE]-=Ultimate Jar Power Tools=-With Maximum MultiTasking Mods!
Hboot explained. thanks to cee43ja1 for the links.
[COLLECTION][TWEAKS]build.prop tweaks[8 JUNE]
[REF][TWEAKS] Kernel Governors, Modules, I/O Schedulers, CPU Tweaks, AIO App Configs
a list of build.prop tweaks
Android Terms,Slang & Definitions
{HELP} Interactive Help Forum!{TUTORIALS} Where questions are encouraged!
[Reference] Interactive Phone Modification [GUIDE]
RUU (ROM Upgrade Utility): How to extract files from a RUU.
[HOW TO] Beginners Guide to Android ROM Development
[Guide]Complete Android ROM development and essential tutorials ~~ By Nero Young ~~
[GUIDE] How to port Stock/GB/CM7/CM9/ICS/CM10/JB Based ROMs
[GUIDE] [how to] CREATE OWN ROM [FOR ANY ANDROID DEVICE] [FOR N00B] [EASIEST METHODS]
[Tutorial] Compile JB on Ubuntu
[Tutorial] Compile ICS on Ubuntu
[Tutorial][Oct. 19, 2011] Compile AOSP Gingerbread on Ubuntu
[Guide] How to use Github
[Guide] How to set up ADB and Build Android with fedora KDE
dsixda's Android Kitchen
[Kitchen] Easy Development Studio
Ultimate Apk Workshop
[MULTI-TOOL] StudioAndroid (cross-platform)
[CM10] [PPA] Cyanogenmod Compiler v0.6
[UTILITY] Android Utility - [apktool|dex2jar|smali|more][Mac & Linux][Feb13, 2012]
[KITCHEN]Android Kernel Kitchen 0.3.1 (Linux / Windows)
[INFO] WaccoPedia - Sharing is Caring Thanks to hdorius for the link.
A quick tutorial on SplashScreens by Glevitan
[ATTN - ALL ANDROID DEVS] General Public License
And it has moderator approval, so please only report posts if they actually require attention.
Yes let the fun begin
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I'm a Noob, and I appreciate the help.
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INDEX
ABSTRACT
The present document pretends to guide the noobs and not so noobs in their flashing / modding / theming way. It covers what the team thought is the basic stuff you should be in knowledge of and may be the most helpful. Any suggestions about the contents or stuff that you think should be included are welcomed, just let us know.
Guide Index
1.Basic Stuff: In this section you will find the common language that is related to Android / HTC Ace devices. This is fundamental for you to understand how things work.
2.Rooting: THIS IS OUT OF SERVICE...CHECK THE UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER TOOL IN PARAGRAPH 4
3.Fixing a messed bootloader: You are not good at listening advices or reading for comprehension. You flashed a froyo RUU or hboot in your GB shipped device? Thank God attn1 was around. This is the Hboot fix for you. All credits go for the Hack Kit Channel devs. I have not done anything but put it here
4.HTCDEV tool: So far, this is the best and only way to do the flashing stuff....
5.Unrooting: In case you need to take your phone to the service centre or lost your mind and want the stock rom back (is there anybody that actually does? :cyclops ) you will find everything you need to know here.
6.Flashing roms: The right steps to flash successfully a custom rom…you can´t miss it. If you do, then you haven´t read carefully.
7.Doing / Restoring a nandroid backup: In case you mess it or you don't like what you get on a new rom, a nand backup is what will save your A**. Follow the path and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel.
8.Radio / RILs: All the radio / RILs related issues, follow this or you will regret it!!
9.Kernels: Everything you always wanted to know about kernels but you didn't dare to ask. Links on line now..:silly:
10.Trouble shooting: I guess this will be the most visited section of the guide. OF COURSE YOU DIDN´T READ THE ABOVE. NOW YOU ARE HERE BUDDY FIX YOURSELF A GOOD READ
11.Customization: For those who would like to start customizing your devices, here you will find a good point of start but THIS IS JUST THE BEGUINNING [/QUOTE]
12.Battery drain issues: I HAVE FLASHED A NEW ROM AND MY BATTERY IS DRAINING WAY TO FASSSSSST!. Well that could be normal, just read and learn before you run out of battery...lol
Find the document here: http://d-h.st/Ii2
FAQ & Notice
FAQ :
What Is the Best Battery,Performance GB/ICS/JB ROM?
There is no best ROM, the opinion of each ROM is different from one person to the other, it is subjective.
Is there a recommended Radio for ROM x?
There isn't a recommended radio for any ROM, since the Radio depends where you live, it is best to test each one for a few days to see which one works best for you.
Can I Flash RIL For AOSP ROM?
No, the RIL is sense based ROM,AOSP RIL is provided in the ROM
How Can I Boot in Recovery/Bootloader if My Volume Rocker is Broken?
You must setup adb and then the command:
adb reboot recovery/bootloader
Why Don't We Have Any OFFICIAL CM9 ROM?
Because the CM team always makes everything work (camera, camcorder, etc) and since we don't have the kernel 3.0 source, there isn't any OFFICIAL CM ROM from them.
Is There Any Official Rooted Sense 3.0 ROM?
Yes, There it is
Notice when Posting On the Dev Thread :
Please Read the First Post, It Usually Stated What's Working and Not Working
Don't Post Any THANKS, just use the thanks button
Don't Even Ask ETA of the ROM, the ROM will update when it's ready
Full Wipe Is Recommended when Updating the ROM, but also can try it without (this is basic,even if it's not stated on 1st post)
ADB is easy, very simple to use. Its the CLI interface that most cannot get used to and are afraid of.
A great XDA guide/overview on ADB here. --> [GUIDE] ADB - Usage, Tips, Tricks and More!
After a full wipe including sd card, to restore a backup mount sd card to pc, create the folder "clockworkmod/backup" place backup there - unmount, flash.
Is there a way to flash a backup using adb? If yes, do the folders need to be created or not and what would the command be? I couldn't find an answer for that.
Edit: Answer is no. Why? I have no clue.
Sent from a dream.
Teichopsia said:
After a full wipe including sd card, to restore a backup mount sd card to pc, create the folder "clockworkmod/backup" place backup there - unmount, flash.
Is there a way to flash a backup using adb? If yes, do the folders need to be created or not and what would the command be? I couldn't find an answer for that.
Sent from a dream.
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ok, I will start tonight at home....let's start from the beguining...we can not forget the section...Can I mess my bootloader for not reading? YESSSSS...hahahaha
GuyInTheCorner said:
+1 adding him will get us some recognition and a solid backgroud
Thanks
Sent from my Desire HD with BlackIce.
Thanks don't hurt ya know?!
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Just will have to wait for his reply. Wanna help glevitan with finding relevant threads? Pm these if you find links. I.e. not able to boot, bricked, qsoad or whatever error and so forth. The more comolete the better.
hdorius said:
Maybe i could make the FAQ that usually asked in Q&A..if u have something to add just tell me,i will add it
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Looking good. It would also be nice to add in a different post tips for porting/rom dev or whatever it is you know to do
I'll search to see if I can find anything.
Sent from a dream.
Guys I am working on the Ace guide...is quite ambitious so it will probably need a good review before seeing the light!....Will send u the document in a couple of hours!....:good:
Teichopsia said:
Bumping myself cause I can. Anyone?
@hdorius - what do you know to do? Didn't you port paranoidandroid? The faq's look good but needs some editing/correction. Where are you from? What's your first language? Do you need help with that?
@Guy - what happened buddy? In the previous page I suggested a few things. Apps? It depends what the others think. I don't see this as a standard.
@miukkuman - where are you?
By the way, where are you from? What do you know to do in the android world or what are you interested in learning?
@everyone - the idea behind this thread is:
- I rather ask each one of you to tell me what you understood which is the idea behind this thread - what you understood. If you didn't understand then I'll need to find a better way to explain myself.
Don't forget to let me know if you know the adb question above.
Sent from a dream.
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ok, before sending the file via PM, I can answer you...there's no choice of restoring a backup from adb. That is the same as flashing a Custom Rom....those files are packed in a certain way that won't be possible to be flashed in hboot (PD98IMG.zip) way.
glevitan said:
ok, before sending the file via PM, I can answer you...there's no choice of restoring a backup from adb. That is the same as flashing a Custom Rom....those files are packed in a certain way that won't be possible to be flashed in hboot (PD98IMG.zip) way.
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Thanks bub, so no can do. I don't believe in 'no can do's
Did you read my question about the hboot interface in the other thread? This, and the above question is simply a language (which I know absolutely nothing about) - there must be a way to get them talking to each other.
Sent from a dream.
I'm from Indonesia mate, my first language is Indonesian... But i also know English, so i think i dont have any problem with it...
And regarding to the FAQ, you said that it needs to some correction... And you want me to add some porting guide on it?
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hdorius said:
I'm from Indonesia mate, my first language is Indonesian... But i also know English, so i think i dont have any problem with it...
And regarding to the FAQ, you said that it needs to some correction... And you want me to add some porting guide on it?
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Anything you like really, it's your show. Porting? There are plenty guides for that. If you know any good ones I can link them in the third post. Can you look through the ones I posted to see which are good and if there are any ones that are repetitive or if there are better ones than the ones I posted? Especially the flashable zip link, since I don't know anything about that, maybe there is a betrer one or a guide or a tool for it?
I'll pm you in about 20 minutes.
Sent from a dream.
I found a good link, it should be added in third post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380385
All thanks to Wacco (Waccopedia)
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Greets to all
Greets to all from another noob. Well, not a complete noob but a noob here on XDA given my few posts. My deep thanks for allowing a thread where sometimes there just might not be such a thing as a stupid question but honest ones instead,.... Hoping I can contribute something here as an owner of a softbank DHD here in Kyoto, Japan aka the 001HT. I spend alot of time trying to dig up general info from all over the i'net to help answer questions especially for ACE owners so I hope that might be of some help. Grant Barker's homepage is a great resource, (hope its allowed to mention that~). My first minor contribution------ 64GB MicroSD card usage with the DHD. It may already be well-known but for all us noobs who aren't too sure make no mistake..... I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD. Since I like to pack lots of MP3's and several full-length HD movies into my handset (helps keep the kids quiet on long drives ) being able to have that much storage space is a blessing! So, just to reiterate, 64GB microSD card--- no problems!
Blasphemer666 said:
Greets to all from another noob. Well, not a complete noob but a noob here on XDA given my few posts. My deep thanks for allowing a thread where sometimes there just might not be such a thing as a stupid question but honest ones instead,.... Hoping I can contribute something here as an owner of a softbank DHD here in Kyoto, Japan aka the 001HT. I spend alot of time trying to dig up general info from all over the i'net to help answer questions especially for ACE owners so I hope that might be of some help. Grant Barker's homepage is a great resource, (hope its allowed to mention that~). My first minor contribution------ 64GB MicroSD card usage with the DHD. It may already be well-known but for all us noobs who aren't too sure make no mistake..... I have the SanDisk Class 10 64GB MicroSD card and it works flawlessly in my DHD. Since I like to pack lots of MP3's and several full-length HD movies into my handset (helps keep the kids quiet on long drives ) being able to have that much storage space is a blessing! So, just to reiterate, 64GB microSD card--- no problems!
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Thanks for the feedback Blashpemer666, hopefully you manage to refrain yourself in front of the kids.
Absolutely, we were all noobs, still are and probably remain being noobs. There is too much information to cover and too little time to do it in. We here are just trying to return to the community what they have given us by helping the new members whenever they need it and whenever we can, to the best of our knowledge, by pointing them in the right direction. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
Check the second post, it has been updated.
@glevitan, pm.ed you.
@hdorius, same to you. There are a few mistakes in the pm I sent.

Nexus 7 Help Thread

Welcome to the Nexus 7 Help Thread
This thread is here to help our community out as best as it can.
Why is this thread here?
There's 2 main reasons really. The first reason is to stop the development threads getting filled with questions which have nothing to do with the thread they're posted in. That then makes the thread go off-topic which is not what a development thread is there for.
The second reason is because there are too many repetitive questions being asked. The main problem with that is the fact that other users will sometimes attack the OP and 'flaming' them.
The main way which this thread will help to stop that happening is by helping you out as much as possible, while being in a friendly environment.
Below you will find the Thread Rules which I expect you all to follow and not to break them.
Thread Rules
1. Remember that while posting in this thread and across the whole site, you must not break the Forum Rules.
2. Even though this thread is for everyone to use, there'll be a lot if new members in here so no flaming or insulting anyone else.
3. As this is a help thread, remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question.
4. Even if you get your question answered by reading the 2nd it 3rd post, be sure to come back here and read some more. It will help you to learn even more.
Hall Of Fame
As I'll be keeping an eye on this thread quite a lot, I'll be adding the people to this list who have been the most helpful and are contributing the most.
1.markj338
2.
3.
4.
5.
Nexus 7 Moderators
If you report any posts, the report will go to our SM (Senior Moderator) and FSMs (Forum Specific Moderators). They are our SM - zelendel and our FSMs - Shreyas Jani, chrisd1a1, GODZSON, Divine_Madcat, babijoee and Moscow Desire. If you have any questions about this forum in particular then feel free to drop them a PM.
In post 2 there will be some really useful links so be sure to check them out.
In post 3 there'll be an FAQ which will help you out aswell ​
Useful Information & Links To Help You
XDA In General
First of all, I'm linking to some general XDA threads which can help you become more familiar with this site and how things run. I feel this is one thing which new users don't realize because they think it's okay to come to this site and post anywhere.
If you don't feel this applies to you, please move onto the Nexus 7 links further down this post.
XDA New User Guide - I can't stress enough how important that thread is. If you follow what that guide says, you'll be well on your way to becoming an asset to the XDA forums.
[HOW TO] Make A Substantial Thread, Post, Question & Poll - This is also a must read thread. Why, you ask? Well it's simple. Reading this will show you the best way to post your thread to ensure that people will respond and be able to help you. Rather than just giving no information or a thread title called "Mah phone brikked. Hlp me plzzz!", following that thread will give you the best chance of being helped.
[HOW TO] Make A Good Signature - This really is needed because as you'll see in a lot of signatures, mine included, is that we list our current devices and what ROM/kernel we are using. This helps people to help us. Take a look at the thread to find out what else to include in your signature.
Nexus 7 Helpful Links
I'll have these threads numbered so if you ask a question and it can be answered by looking at the first thread here, I'll say "Go to post 2 > nexus 7 > thread 1"
1. READ THIS FIRST - Nexus 7 General Section
2. [GUIDE] Flashing a factory image with fastboot/ returning to stock
3. N7 kernel test results (Performance & Battery tests)
4. Nexus 7 All-In-One Development Index​
5. [Index]- 28 Jan 2013 - All for NEXUS 7 - "Nakasig/Tilapia" - (GSM/HSPA+)
6. NEXUS 7 3G-"nakasig"-For all Your Jelly Bean Discussions, Problems and Solutions
More will be added at a later date
[SIZE=+3]Frequently Asked Questions[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]ASUS GOOGLE NEXUS 7 – GROUPER & TILAPIA (WiFi & 3G)[/SIZE]​
[SIZE=+1]This a short list of frequently asked questions in this device forum and the answers often given as a response. It should serve as a starting point for gathering knowledge and finding solutions to many common problems. Please only post in this thread with feedback on how to improve this document. Do not post "Thank you" type responses. If you have additional questions or require more help, try to find an existing thread or create your own. Do not use this as a general help thread.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Q1: Do I need a toolkit to root this bad boy?....?[/SIZE]
Its a Nexus, imo if you need a toolkit you're either not experienced enough for rooting or too lazy Toolkits are out there and they are really straight forward, but you should get to know how to use fastboot/adb in case you need it. If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be mucking around with your $200+ toy in case you screw something up and don't know how to use ADB or fastboot to restore it​
[SIZE=+1]Q2: I'm thinking of getting this device/I'm new to this device. What are the main problems i should look out for? [/SIZE]
Look through the following threads - Nexus 7 defects? - List of known faults.​
[SIZE=+1]Q3: Which ROM/kernel/recovery etc. would be the best choice for me? [/SIZE]
No-one can answer this for you. We all have our favorites, so just test different ones out and see which you prefer.​
[SIZE=+1]Q4: When I flash my first custom ROM, how come I get stuck in a bootloop? [/SIZE]
While it's recommended that you always do a full wipe before installing, you HAVE to do a full wipe before installing your first ROM. If you don't, you N7 will not boot up.​
[SIZE=+1]Q5: I flashed a new kernel and when I change frequencies, it reverts to stock settings 1.3GHz after a while. WHY??? [/SIZE]
You need a patched PowerHAL. On a very basic level, after a while the stock google PowerHAL likes to revert a lot of settings to stock. This includes the CPU clock speeds, etc. I got my PowerHAL from here
http://imoseyon.host4droid.com/grouper/beta/
And I flashed the nofreq one. It will NOT change your frequency, ever. After you flash the PowerHAL, use your favourite app (I like tricksterMOD, but support your devs by buying their apps) to set your kernel settings, and set them on boot. This is the easiest way to get settings to stick.
OR
You could use an init.d script to set a maximum clock speed. This way, you will need a kernel/ROM that supports boot.img.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35493253&postcount=1366
This is a lot more difficult but it works ​
[SIZE=+1]Q6: How much overclocking is too much? Am I damaging my device? [/SIZE]
No chips are created equally. Some can take more OC than others. It is fact that too much OC can shorten the life of your CPU. A general rule I have seen used a lot is to not go around 20-30% over the stock speed. That is around 1.5GHz which most kernels get up to. However, a lot of devices can take more and will go higher. See for yourself, just don't be stupid ​
[SIZE=+1]Q7: What is the difference between x and y kernel governors/schedulers? [/SIZE]
See here: [GUIDE]Kernel Governors and I/O SCHEDULERS
[REF][TWEAKS] Kernel Governors, Modules, I/O Schedulers, CPU Tweaks, AIO App Configs​
[SIZE=+1]Q8: I tried to boot my device into recovery from the bootloader and now it is stuck on the google screen. Is it bricked? [/SIZE]
No. Probably not. Chances are you're on an old bootloader, which has a bug that doesn't allow you to get into recovery from the BL without being connected to a computer. So, connect it to your computer, hold vol down/power for 10 secs to go back to the bootloader. You can go to the recovery from there.​
[SIZE=+1]Q9: On my HTC (whatever) I could transfer files onto my sdcard while in recovery. How do I do it on the N7? [/SIZE]
You can't drag/drop in recovery between your N7 and a PC. Either boot into android and transfer your files, or use ADB while in recovery.
"adb push nameoffile /data/media" or wherever your things are (beware of how many 0's there are on your sdcard).​
[SIZE=+1]Q10: My files on my "sdcard" appear under /data/media/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0. WHY so many 0's?? [/SIZE]
Ask Google. It’s got to do with the multiuser feature brought to android in 4.2. Ever user has their own folder, so you might have /0 and /1. If you're having troubles with it in recovery, I would update to the latest TWRP.​
[SIZE=+1]Q11: I’m trying to update my stock rooted modded N7 to 4.2 from 4.1.2 but it won't work. Help? [/SIZE]
You need to be running completely stock to update. So, you need to either flash a stock ROM or the stock image.​
[SIZE=+1]Q12: When I finish watching a video the screen goes weird. Its like, washed out or something. Is my device bricked? Is my screen bricked? [/SIZE]
No. Its the tegra smartdimmer. When your device is playing a video, the Tegra 3 automatically bumps up the contrast and dims the backlight, to save battery. This is a feature. To turn it off, either use a script or tricksterMOD (which is much easier).​
[SIZE=+1]Q13: Battery life on this kernel/ROM sux. I've been using it for half an hour and its dropped 30% already. Why? Restoring to my old kernel..[/SIZE]
When you flash a new ROM/kernel, you need to give it a few battery cycles before battery is reported accurately. So, flash the new kernel, drain it (not necessarily to 0%), charge it fully, drain it again, charge, then play around. Do not complain about battery or anything without doing a few cycles first.​
[SIZE=+1]Q14: I am about to flash another ROM. Do I have to full wipe or can I flash it on top? (Dirty flash).[/SIZE]
Usually you can probably dirty flash. But if it causes problems, don't report them. Best thing to do is to reflash the ROM with a full wipe and see if bugs persist. I always wipe when changing to a different ROM, but when updating a ROM i don't wipe usually.​
[SIZE=+1]Q15: Should I unlock the bootloader when I get the tablet if I am going to root it anyway?.[/SIZE]
I would say no. Because, if there is a problem you have sort of voided your warranty. I like to keep my devices for a month without rooting/unlocking them in case there is a fault or something. You should do the same, I’d hate to have a brand new device, root it and then find a fault and have voided your warranty. Companies can be sneaky and can probably try to avoid fixing your device under warranty if you tamper with it. However you could always relock and revert to stock, but it is much easier to be patient and make sure there are no problems ​
[SIZE=+1]Q16: Will rooting my tablet make it faster/awesomer and have improve battery life?[/SIZE]
Short answer: no.
Long answer: nope.
Rooting alone will not change anything relateds to battery or performance. However custom ROMs, kernels and other mods will change things. For example flashing a more optimised kernel might improve performance, especially if you overclock it. Similarly, underclocking generally improves battery life. Of course it depends on what crap you have on your device too, but that's the general idea. Usually in the OP of a ROM/kernel thread, and in the comments you can get a good idea on whether it is optimized for battery, performance or a combination.​
[SIZE=+1]Q17: What’s difference between N7 “Grouper – Nakasi” and N7 3G “Tilapia – Nakasig”?.[/SIZE]
Wi-Fi (all models) = Nakasi - Grouper
3G/Wi-Fi = Nakasig - Tilapia
The Nakasi/Nakasig is the image (operating system)
and
the Grouper/Tilapia is the hardware build.
Because one of the files for the phone call apk is named "tilapia"
assert(getprop("ro.product.device") == "tilapia"
getprop("ro.build.product") == "tilapia".​
[SIZE=+1]Q18: Can I use same recovery for N7 “Grouper” and N7 3G “Tilapia”? [/SIZE]
Yes, but it is preferable to use a special recovery for the tilapia. You will find 3 special recoveries for Tilapia.​
[SIZE=+1]Q19: What's the difference between "Development" and "Original Development"?[/SIZE]
Here are the rough guidelines as to what should be placed in "Original Development":
*Official release of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them).
*Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
*A significant "first" in development for a device. This is something which took considerable time/effort and is generally accepted by developers to be non-trivial.
*Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available.
*Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
*Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to the users of the target device.
All other development work goes into "Android Development".​
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[INDEX]All In One Nexus 7 Index Thread (WiFi)
[Index]All for NEXUS 7 - "Nakasig/Tilapia" - (3G/GSM/HSPA+)
[GUIDE][BOOTLOADER][4.2.2] TILAPIA JDQ39 - 4.18 Flash Image Instructions (FOR 3G VERSION)
*Use the thanks button if someone helps you or answers your question*
*Read the sticked threads*
*Google probably knows the answer to your question*
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Good thread, make it a sticky !
At least good helpers will be honoured ^_^ !
Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?
nazz.rule said:
Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?
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There is a difference in being new and being spoon fed. You will find your answer in the Franco kernel thread.
Cheers Danny
nazz.rule said:
Since this thread is for newbie I want to ask , can i use franco kernel on N7 3G 32GB?
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Yes you can
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
Thanks to Moscow Desire, this thread is now stickied so hopefully it will be able to help as many people as possible
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
I got my nexus 7 yesterday and updated it immediately to 4.2.1. All good so far. I start using and all goes well until I remember "this thing has the swipe keyboard, right?". I start swiping and nothing happens. Check the settings, it is on. Boot the device, no effect. Enable and disable the thing and boot the tablet a few times more, still no go.
At this point I decided I'll fix that later and made another user account for my GF to use. I immediately notice that the swipe typing works on that account just fine. I check the settings and looks like it's on by default. I go back to my own profile and check the settings again, but still no go.
Any ideas?
badmoj0 said:
I got my nexus 7 yesterday and updated it immediately to 4.2.1. All good so far. I start using and all goes well until I remember "this thing has the swipe keyboard, right?". I start swiping and nothing happens. Check the settings, it is on. Boot the device, no effect. Enable and disable the thing and boot the tablet a few times more, still no go.
At this point I decided I'll fix that later and made another user account for my GF to use. I immediately notice that the swipe typing works on that account just fine. I check the settings and looks like it's on by default. I go back to my own profile and check the settings again, but still no go.
Any ideas?
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Its definitely checked on your account?
Try this one as a quick workaround
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35596988
Sent with swag from my Kanged Nexus 7
Thanks for the tip. I tried that, but settings crashes every time I try to enable the PC layout keyboard.
I'm gonna do a factory wipe since the tablet is still almost on default anyway.
edit: Ok did reset and everything works just fine now. Now just wait for play store to install all the apps back
I have just got my new Nexus 7 and I want to root my N7 with Wug's root toolkit. I was thinking if I just don't check the box: flash custom recovery. Can I then just do the OTA updates? Because I don't want to install a Custom Rom.
Hi guys!
Just got a stock unrooted unmodded N7 32GB with build JZO54K. On first boot it found the OTA update to 4.2.1 so I happily accepted the update. A few minutes into the upgrade process I get the "dead" droid with the triangle, guess something went wrong. It boots up again into JZO54K and works fine.
I can force another attempt at the update by stopping and clearing the data for Google Services Framework and searching for updates again, but with the same results.
Am I missing something? Would like to try pure AOSP before going CM on this little beauty
How to root Nexus 7 without toolkit?
Root Nexus 7 must flash the CWM or other recoveries? In the menu of "Google Nexus 7 TOOLKIT V4.0.0", I found the button "Root" and the check "and flash recovery...". Does it mean I can root the machine without flash any recovery? Thanks.
AngryGamer025 said:
I have just got my new Nexus 7 and I want to root my N7 with Wug's root toolkit. I was thinking if I just don't check the box: flash custom recovery. Can I then just do the OTA updates? Because I don't want to install a Custom Rom.
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If you've only rooted you can do ota's. Just as long as you don't change ANYTHING in the /system partition like installing flashable zips
frdd said:
Hi guys!
Just got a stock unrooted unmodded N7 32GB with build JZO54K. On first boot it found the OTA update to 4.2.1 so I happily accepted the update. A few minutes into the upgrade process I get the "dead" droid with the triangle, guess something went wrong. It boots up again into JZO54K and works fine.
I can force another attempt at the update by stopping and clearing the data for Google Services Framework and searching for updates again, but with the same results.
Am I missing something? Would like to try pure AOSP before going CM on this little beauty
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Sure its completely stock? If it is, it should work... If you be got any more troubles ask Google
If you want pure AOSP there are ROMs for that you can flash, if you root
tmbu said:
Root Nexus 7 must flash the CWM or other recoveries? In the menu of "Google Nexus 7 TOOLKIT V4.0.0", I found the button "Root" and the check "and flash recovery...". Does it mean I can root the machine without flash any recovery? Thanks.
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You can root by having all the right superuser binaries etc
But its easier to flash the recovery, and then flash the latest superuser/ supersu zip.
Sent with from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
markj338 said:
You can root by having all the right superuser binaries etc
But its easier to flash the recovery, and then flash the latest superuser/ supersu zip.
Sent with from my Asus Nexus Unicorn
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Thank you for reply. I can understand your second sentence, but I can't understand the first one. Can you say something more? I just want to root the machine without any toolkit and recovery.
tmbu said:
Thank you for reply. I can understand your second sentence, but I can't understand the first one. Can you say something more? I just want to root the machine without any toolkit and recovery.
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I would recommend flashing the recovery in order to get everything working properly, and to easily recover if something goes wrong
I was wondering whether it's possible to share files between the different users of the same N7? For instance to make video or music files available regardless of who is logged in.
I don't seem to be able to find anyone even discussing this anywhere at all.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
opticon78 said:
I was wondering whether it's possible to share files between the different users of the same N7? For instance to make video or music files available regardless of who is logged in.
I don't seem to be able to find anyone even discussing this anywhere at all.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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The closest option to that is Multi-User App Share. It doesn't have the ability to share files though. Maybe the creator will make it possible in a future update though
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
I have seen it in the play store, but I'm not sure how that would make sharing files within the tablet possible, and since it requires rooting I can't even try it unfortunately.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

[For Newcomers]Please read this-might be helpful

My escape route when in trouble!
Was reading thru some threads when I came across some newcomers crying out for help stuck in bootloops while flashing custom roms.
Since I was free.Thought maybe write my own experiences down and what I did to get out of trouble.
Hope this not so short essay help someone new to XDA.
Let me begin with ClockWorkMod recovery.
I for one,have installed two types of Recovery to be on the safe side.
Anyways having the two does not in anyway hinder either.
Therefore it is only and added advantage.
If that wasn't enough there are kernels which come with preinstalled CWM of their own.
At the moment I've got 3.
I switch roms very often.Many a times in the beggining I often made mistakes and always had to redo the whole procedure all over again.
That means from scratch.Flashing custom roms,rooting and then delve in CWM -
X-Parts by pvyPARTS
which I had to keep downloading again and again from market.
Real pain in the ass!
Now where did I stop in the procedure,yes,after CWM installation,fastboot flash the kernel and now use the CWM to flash the roms and the other zips.
Then came across another recovery tool.
RecoverX by LEDelete.
Awesome tool.Does the same more or less as X-Parts except you need to run this on your PC and bind it to your device.
Color is bright neon blue.Very nice visually.
So now what are my choices.Do I retain one and let go of the other.
Made some enquiries about having 2 recoveries.Feedback,no problems. Sweeeeet. I'll take both!
Then came the kernels with their own recoveries i. e -
mechmetal for FusioN kernels
Did the dancing act at the beginning and very stable versions now.
Thank you.
I'll have that too.The more the better since it was not corrupting my device in any ways.
Presently,very few mistakes in flashing roms. So less frequent flashing stock roms. Mind you,it does require me,at times,to do complete clean installs once in awhile.
For that I have learnt a few tricks.
Flashing stock roms-the usual flashtool.
Since I have the bootloader unlocked,rooting takes less than 2 seconds. Simply a marvellous tool.Thanks to:
AutoRoot by bazoocase
Can't escape downloading from Google play store though OR is there a way?
There is!
Am learning that now but I'm actually trying to get only my most needed apps such as Titanium backup,Astro File Manager, and one or two more apps with its contents and data.
Jesus H Christ,this is only the beggining.There's a whole lot more to learn.But I'm liking it!
So newcomers,this might help you in your stay here at XDA.If via this lengthly passage I am able to help A newcomer I am satisfied.
Note:This are pointers for newcomers who have problems during flashing custom roms and start CRYing when stuck in bootloops.
PS: All the above are true facts.
I learnt by making mistakes here and there.
I did a lot of reading,searching,sending out PM's not getting replies and reading,searching and putting forward questions all over sometimes in wrong threads too.
For that I had been abused and bombarded collectively.But hey,that made me be extra careful.
These would happen to you but don't give up.Practice makes perfect.Don't shy off from making decisions.
You are already here.People can teach your everything but at the end of the day you are the one who is going to press that execute button.
It will for work for some cos they did exactly what was needed to be done.It might not work for some cos they didn't.
[email protected]
Xperia Arc LT15i
(nowadays it reads LT18i)
Custom ROM: FXP206 CM10
Custom Kernel: Arc FusioN 4.3
Bootloader: Unlocked
Sent from my Xperia Arc S using xda app-developers app
LreadyIt is good to see a senior member-op putting up a thread like this without being a know it all, smartass twat! I'm sure all the noobies will appreciate it! I personally worked it all out with a full month of reading. I have a bad temper and did not feel like getting abused and tyrated for asking perfectly legitimate questions! I say the same to all who are having probs and are new, keep reading,asking questions and don't give up! Six months ago I couldn't even navigate these forums properly, now I test Roms and kernels for devs! My biggest tip is find a kernel with CWM preinstalled and prerooted custom Roms! Remember one thing too, Titanium Backup is your best friend and is worth paying for the pro version! I don't like anything that isn't free but TB is worth the money!
To the OP here I think it would be good to insert a nit more detail on how to do these things and use these apps in your thread for those not in the know, maybe even some links! It's alot of work but I think noobies will be grateful! If you want some help to complete a noob friendly thread for flashing/rooting etc. PM me and I will help you write it up! We will prob get berated by others because of similar threads, but I have found them not noob friendly or incorrect! The only reason I still a junior member is because I have not bothered to make posts as have not had anything useful to say till recently!
thenks
sandroidnz01 said:
[For Newcomers]Please read
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I really wish more would.
Jaffa_79 said:
To the OP here I think it would be good to insert a nit more detail on how to do these things and use these apps in your thread for those not in the know, maybe even some links!
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Similar to the existing stickys, which are highly under utilized by new members, and as shown on a few occasions, by senior members too. Read Read Read, practice practice practice, is the only way anyone is going to learn, and I know because it's what I had to do for similar reasons to you when I knew absolutely nothing when I first joined, and if you're serious about learning how to tweak and mod Android then you need to be prepared to spend an hour or two sat at your computer, as you're not going to learn everything over night, in a week or even a month, and 3 years later you may still be learning, as I continue to.
RecoverX instalation problem
sandroidnz01 said:
My escape route when in trouble!
Was reading thru some threads when I came across some newcomers crying out for help stuck in bootloops while flashing custom roms.
Since I was free.Thought maybe write my own experiences down and what I did to get out of trouble.
Hope this not so short essay help someone new to XDA.
Let me begin with ClockWorkMod recovery.
I for one,have installed two types of Recovery to be on the safe side.
Anyways having the two does not in anyway hinder either.
Therefore it is only and added advantage.
If that wasn't enough there are kernels which come with preinstalled CWM of their own.
At the moment I've got 3.
I switch roms very often.Many a times in the beggining I often made mistakes and always had to redo the whole procedure all over again.
That means from scratch.Flashing custom roms,rooting and then delve in CWM -
X-Parts by pvyPARTS
which I had to keep downloading again and again from market.
Real pain in the ass!
Now where did I stop in the procedure,yes,after CWM installation,fastboot flash the kernel and now use the CWM to flash the roms and the other zips.
Then came across another recovery tool.
RecoverX by LEDelete.
Awesome tool.Does the same more or less as X-Parts except you need to run this on your PC and bind it to your device.
Color is bright neon blue.Very nice visually.
So now what are my choices.Do I retain one and let go of the other.
Made some enquiries about having 2 recoveries.Feedback,no problems. Sweeeeet. I'll take both!
Then came the kernels with their own recoveries i. e -
mechmetal for FusioN kernels
Did the dancing act at the beginning and very stable versions now.
Thank you.
I'll have that too.The more the better since it was not corrupting my device in any ways.
Presently,very few mistakes in flashing roms. So less frequent flashing stock roms. Mind you,it does require me,at times,to do complete clean installs once in awhile.
For that I have learnt a few tricks.
Flashing stock roms-the usual flashtool.
Since I have the bootloader unlocked,rooting takes less than 2 seconds. Simply a marvellous tool.Thanks to:
AutoRoot by bazoocase
Can't escape downloading from Google play store though OR is there a way?
There is!
Am learning that now but I'm actually trying to get only my most needed apps such as Titanium backup,Astro File Manager, and one or two more apps with its contents and data.
Jesus H Christ,this is only the beggining.There's a whole lot more to learn.But I'm liking it!
So newcomers,this might help you in your stay here at XDA.If via this lengthly passage I am able to help A newcomer I am satisfied.
Note:This are pointers for newcomers who have problems during flashing custom roms and start CRYing when stuck in bootloops.
PS: All the above are true facts.
I learnt by making mistakes here and there.
I did a lot of reading,searching,sending out PM's not getting replies and reading,searching and putting forward questions all over sometimes in wrong threads too.
For that I had been abused and bombarded collectively.But hey,that made me be extra careful.
These would happen to you but don't give up.Practice makes perfect.Don't shy off from making decisions.
You are already here.People can teach your everything but at the end of the day you are the one who is going to press that execute button.
It will for work for some cos they did exactly what was needed to be done.It might not work for some cos they didn't.
[email protected]
Xperia Arc LT15i
(nowadays it reads LT18i)
Custom ROM: FXP206 CM10
Custom Kernel: Arc FusioN 4.3
Bootloader: Unlocked
Sent from my Xperia Arc S using xda app-developers app
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Hello everyone
I am new to the forum so I am not sure if I am in the right place. I have rotted my xperia arc and I cannot install the CWM. I have tried through Xparts and through the RecoverX (RecoverX seems not to be able to download the recovery). I have done the same thing in the past without havin any probelems. This is the first time that I cannot install it. Any ideas?
Thanks for helping

[Q] New to Nexus 4 / Couple general Q's

Hello everyone,
I am new to the Nexus 4 community however not new to XDA. I have survived an HD2 and also a T989 GSII. I have had so much success with XDA and I am looking forward to working with community of folks over here. I got a Nexus 4 (being delivered Monday) to enjoy the Android experience. However the more I look over it the more I feel it lacks some of the features that I enjoyed with previous custom roms like Toggles on the notification panel for example. I know there are many apps that will accomplish the same thing but why use all these 3rd party apps when you can flash a decent rom and get a better experience with often better battery life. I am coming from an All Star Developer ROM that is a compilation ROM ( CM10, AOKP & PA )
I apologize for the rambling. I need to know:
1: What is the difference between Original Android Dev and Android Development forums? GSII did not have two forums so I was a little confused.
2: For a genuine NEXUS device, are there still bugs in ROMS? RR, SOD, GPS not working, etc? This is not a huge issue with most GSII roms I just wondered if you guys experience this at all with this phone being stock Android already. I wouldn't think this would be the case.
3: I have done my research and I am ready to move on with rooting and probably Romming. Is there anything else maybe that would be noteworthy that is specific to the Nexus line of devices. This is a vague question so don't worry with it too much. I am just curious.
Thanks everyone! I can't wait till Monday!
jcnbama said:
Hello everyone,
I am new to the Nexus 4 community however not new to XDA. I have survived an HD2 and also a T989 GSII. I have had so much success with XDA and I am looking forward to working with community of folks over here. I got a Nexus 4 (being delivered Monday) to enjoy the Android experience. However the more I look over it the more I feel it lacks some of the features that I enjoyed with previous custom roms like Toggles on the notification panel for example. I know there are many apps that will accomplish the same thing but why use all these 3rd party apps when you can flash a decent rom and get a better experience with often better battery life. I am coming from an All Star Developer ROM that is a compilation ROM ( CM10, AOKP & PA )
I apologize for the rambling. I need to know:
1: What is the difference between Original Android Dev and Android Development forums? GSII did not have two forums so I was a little confused.
2: For a genuine NEXUS device, are there still bugs in ROMS? RR, SOD, GPS not working, etc? This is not a huge issue with most GSII roms I just wondered if you guys experience this at all with this phone being stock Android already. I wouldn't think this would be the case.
3: I have done my research and I am ready to move on with rooting and probably Romming. Is there anything else maybe that would be noteworthy that is specific to the Nexus line of devices. This is a vague question so don't worry with it too much. I am just curious.
Thanks everyone! I can't wait till Monday!
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1. "Development is classified as original work and/or documented edits and changes made to others work (with their permission) that makes it your own.
Stock ROM dumps that are modified (deodexed, etc.) from the manufacturer's original intent and then repackaged together classifies as development.
Kernel's and Recovery obviously classify as development as they are modified and compiled from source""
2. Minor bugs here & there, nothing like the ones you're used of. Read the OP & last 20 posts in the thread.
3. follow the link in my signature, do not use toolkits!!
Good luck, it's an amazing phone!
Vangelis13 said:
1. "Development is classified as original work and/or documented edits and changes made to others work (with their permission) that makes it your own.
Stock ROM dumps that are modified (deodexed, etc.) from the manufacturer's original intent and then repackaged together classifies as development.
Kernel's and Recovery obviously classify as development as they are modified and compiled from source""
2. Minor bugs here & there, nothing like the ones you're used of. Read the OP & last 20 posts in the thread.
3. follow the link in my signature, do not use toolkits!!
Good luck, it's an amazing phone!
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Thanks for the info! I guess more specifically I need to know the difference between the "Original" Development thread and just the "Development" thread. Should I refer to one more than another?
Also, in reference to toolkits. I am just curious where the issue lies with that? Because honestly that is exactly what I was going to do. I am not lazy, just efficient lol. I figure why do alot of manual driver installs and command prompts if someone created a program that would do it for you? (I reference links below) Is it faulty software? Badly written programs etc? I would think there would be more room for human error when doing it yourself vs. something automated. What are your thoughts on this? Has anyone else had luck using the toolkits in the links? or any other rooting toolkits? Thanks again!
http://lifehacker.com/5979763/how-to-root-the-lg-nexus-4#13634416619583&{"type":"iframeUpdated","height":640}
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
jcnbama said:
Thanks for the info! I guess more specifically I need to know the difference between the "Original" Development thread and just the "Development" thread. Should I refer to one more than another?
Also, in reference to toolkits. I am just curious where the issue lies with that? Because honestly that is exactly what I was going to do. I am not lazy, just efficient lol. I figure why do alot of manual driver installs and command prompts if someone created a program that would do it for you? (I reference links below) Is it faulty software? Badly written programs etc? I would think there would be more room for human error when doing it yourself vs. something automated. What are your thoughts on this? Has anyone else had luck using the toolkits in the links? or any other rooting toolkits? Thanks again!
http://lifehacker.com/5979763/how-to-root-the-lg-nexus-4#13634416619583&{"type":"iframeUpdated","height":640}
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
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Because, you learn something very important while rooting & unlocking your phone. Human error is covered for by the step by step guide. Human error while using the toolkit, you're stuck trying to understand what the fck happened. Learn fastboot mate. Learn to control your device to a 100%, learn to fix it if it's stuck. Understand what happens with "fastboot OEM unlock". Do you know what that means btw..?
The difference between Original Development & Development is in the quote I posted above. Paranoid Android = Original.
TWRP Recovery = Original
"XYZ" Rom based on cm 10.1 + abcd theme = Development.
Vangelis13 said:
Because, you learn something very important while rooting & unlocking your phone. Human error is covered for by the step by step guide. Human error while using the toolkit, you're stuck trying to understand what the fck happened. Learn fastboot mate. Learn to control your device to a 100%, learn to fix it if it's stuck. Understand what happens with "fastboot OEM unlock". Do you know what that means btw..?
The difference between Original Development & Development is in the quote I posted above. Paranoid Android = Original.
TWRP Recovery = Original
"XYZ" Rom based on cm 10.1 + abcd theme = Development.
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Hey thanks again. I appreciate the input. I have more to learn in the NEXUS forum. I am used to ODIN and other forms of Samsung software so I will certainly read over the tutorial and absorb information. It will also help me to share my knowledge with others.
jcnbama said:
Hey thanks again. I appreciate the input. I have more to learn in the NEXUS forum. I am used to ODIN and other forms of Samsung software so I will certainly read over the tutorial and absorb information. It will also help me to share my knowledge with others.
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If nothing else, you owe it to yourself as a proud n4 owner!!

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This a noob friendly thread to help people with some common questions. If the mods don't like this I apologize just trying to contribute.
Q... What is the first step in flashing a rom.
A... Backup of your boot.img or everything so you can safely return if a problem occurs.
Q... How do you flash a ROM?
A... ROM>gapps>kernel>root or alternatively if issues occur ROM>gapps>root>kernel
Q... Is a kernel/root necessary?
A... No on both I know one ROM that requires a kernel most don't reading the first page you will know. Root is only required if the ROM has force encryption and you don't want it or need root.
Q... How to unlock bootloader?
A... I'll link I'm a second post to motos website it has a detailed guide to do it through a few simple command promos.
Q... Where do I find all the features a ROM/kernel has?
A... The front page typically where the download button is at.
Q... How do I report a bug or problem?
A... Depends on the problem downloading a logcat app from the play store and sending the xml (text) is a good start. If more the bug isn't found there the dev is more then likely willing to help direct you to the files he needs.
Q... What tweaks do you use to get great battery life?
A... Honestly the phone has plenty but if you need that extra little juice the safest option would be using ex kernels power saving mode to dial down the core frequencies.
Q... Is the key n/a normal?
A... At first I thought I did something wrong but no need to fear a simple warning saying there is something custom ie twrp.
Q... My phones encrypted help!
A... A backup could save the phone if put on an SD card. You'll need to format and lose all data stored on the phone other then SD card so be warned.
Q... What's the best ROM?
A... Only you can answer this each ROM is unique and has custom featured tailored to different people. Need bare bones los has it need more aokp among many others have it. You get the point honestly just try it and see backups help here too.
Q... Was this phone a good purchase?
A... Thanks to the devs yes it is. Moto has skimped on updates lately but we still have 7.1.X because of them.
Q... Why is this X ROM unstable?
A... The devs are working hard some phones need to have six months to get los to even work so patience none of these roms are really unstable. The htc 10 didn't have BT for months and on los the dialer didn't even work but now fully functioning. So rest assured every darn bug will be squashed in time.
Q... Is the above mention stuff risky?
A... If it voids warranty yes then it is. Android has come a long way and it is however much safer now then every before to flash and root phones if there's a problem there is typically a fix. I do recommend new users to read as much as possible on risks and how tos first this is only a brief guide to the world of customs.
Q... Where do I find an answer to a problem I have?
A... While I'll support as many questions as I can in here I'd like you to do something's first. Search a thread that has some relative info say a twrp issue search the twrp thread. If that doesn't help google it and see then. Spend just five or so minutes and if no luck then come ask away in here.
Q... Why research when I can ask a question?
A... This is mainly because the people helping don't want to repeat too many times. However a response from someone can take time and it may not even be the answer you need so to save you time a little research ahead of asking the question could speed up fixing the problem.
Q... If I flash a kernel will it mess with twrp or firmware?
A... Twrp has its own kernel it runs on so kernel shouldn't mess it up. However it does mess with boot imagines so it could potentially do that rho highly unlikely. Firmware nope nothing you do really messes with that
This is by no means a complete list of things. This is tailored to our device so please keep it on such so I can help with device specific questions. If more needs to be added pm and I'll add it including suggestions and request for frequently asked questions I may have missed. Good luck on your journey cheers.
Links...
A detailed guide on the brief things I talked about this dude did good credit to him
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/howto-ultimate-g5-plus-guide-unlocking-t3593531
This method is the one I talked about above and is linked in the above thread. Great work by the community again credit goes to this guy much more thorough then I could have done...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/unlock-bootloader-lenovo-motorola-moto-t3581133

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