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I like the design and spec of Adam but I would also need proper usability from it. By proper I mean word, excel, usb to Com cables in general Windows 7.
Would it be possible to install Windows 7 on the device and how hard would it be?
I have not see the device in action so does anyone know does it have PC style bios or more like bootloader on smartphones?
TheDeadCpu said:
That would be hard. Not impossible.
The thing is I doubt anyone will actually waste hundreds of hours to get a worse operating system running.
(I say it's worse because it's not tablet optimized)
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Not worse, just heavier because more usable as PC. For me Android is the worse one as yo have no proper apps that make it usable as PC.
As said if I could get ubuntu to run with office on it I would not think about windows 7 but I can not even do that.
Andoid main problem is the same as one on apple ipad it is a OS for phones.
Adam started out as a dual boot Linux/ Android tablet.
Have not heard anything re Linux boot for a while though.
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I seen on forum for ink that they have image for ubuntu but still no office on it.
Grr I always loved tablet idea TBH even when they were called slates.
Until late I had my HP TC1100 and was very happy but it is lucking now in performance for win7 and office 2010. Also it is so "used" now that paint is coming off.
Oh well will have to wait for a win7 dedicated tablet.
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
smedley.jason said:
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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Well since they patented Windows 7 core to work with Arm in December one would hope that will be overcome. Apparently there will be al ighter version of Win7 for ARM based systems. Hmm we will see but fro now HP Slate 500 is the best bet.
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
tdh_andy said:
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Well if I wanted to use open office I wuld not ask for windows 7 would just go to ubuntu directly. Openoffice suck badly no matter what people say, if you do tons of docs, formatting and scripting in excel you need proper, real office.
Anything else I could deal with on linux just not lack of that.
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
Schattenspieler said:
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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Only time will tell for sure. Right now we can't figure that out as there is no ARM version available. Once they make one I'm sure that people will start trying.
First, I know it's a little early for this, since Win8 isn't even in beta yet.
However, I just got a Kindle Fire, and would absolutely love a Win8 port when and if it becomes possible. So I had a few questions for devs that might take up this project.
Is anyone already planning on giving this a shot?
Would this have any legality issues, since Win8 will in all likely hood require a product key, even on the ARM version?
Is it even theoretically possible, since the Kindle Fire normally runs Android?
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
mtmerrick said:
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
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The ability to run amd64 apps.
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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You=noob
A 64 bit processor can run in either amd64 or intel64. Microsoft claim that windows 8 will be one big system. They also say that they can get arm to run with amd64 (and intel64) apps fine but they are accused of being unable to do so with i386. I watched the video released by Microsoft about it. All 2 hours....
If you don't know something don't pretend you know about it before posting.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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Go on wikipedia and search windows 8. Go to the compatibility section and read. Then I want an apology for being a [email protected]
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Wikipedia said:
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
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You self righteous troll.
mtmerrick said:
You self righteous troll.
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I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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um, you proved yourself wrong - i was right, as i thought. You are acting self righteous, and your behavior is best described as trollish. And im not insulted -I'm laughing at your ignorance. In case you can't see quotes or something weird like that, lemme re-copypaste from Wikipedia
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Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
benjamingwynn said:
I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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wtf with the flameing people? no need to be argueing like morons to each like that. look there will be a version of windows that will work on ARM and the op is asking when that version will be released and portable to the fire. Got it????
AndroHero said:
1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
i think we should be trying to focus on the hp touchpad and the kindle fire, also the nook tablet to try to port win 8 to them once the ARM verson is released.
benjamingwynn said:
Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
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Have you not listened to a single word in this thread? You can not port x86 Windows 8 to an ARM processor and expect x86 apps to run.
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
mtmerrick said:
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
benjamingwynn said:
It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
johnston9234 said:
If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
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I don't need to. I'm not doing it. I came here to help and most of you threw that back in my face. I'm not here to flame.
I thought I could share my experiences with Windows since 95 and help you find hope for your kindle. If you don't want it then it's your loss. I don't have a kindle fire but I thought I should try to help you out anyway.
I can't help you with your problems unless you let me. I CAN code in a variety of different languages including C+ +, meaning I could easily pick up a arm driver for a sister device and port it.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. If you didn't like it then go tell someone who gives two....
A few road blocks against w8 on the fire
1) Storage: Will it actually fit in 8gig? Hopefully the arm version will without all the old bloat
2) Drivers: you are not going to see any windows8 tablet comes out with the "old" OMAP4430, they are talking about windows 8 tablets being quad core with 2gig of ram or something?
3) Ram: 512meg of ram will make running w8, if you even can get it to run, painful
4) Closed source: porting binary only OS's is hard/near imposable without a comparable device with a native version (See HD2 having almost the same hardware as WP7 and android devices).
I wouldnt bet against a port, as this is XDA, but I would consider it highly improbable.
(Also theres legal issues, MS would come down like a hammer on anyone sharing a w8 rom!)
Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.
I think this must be a new kind of Atom-CPUs that are built for the ARM-architecture on which Android runs? I red somewhere that they wanted to release that Kind of CPUs this year.
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No, they're definitely x86 chips.
If it has BIOS/EFI it will be done
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Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.
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Why bother about it being on x86, windows 8 will run on ARM architecture too if I'm not mistaken
Because putting W8ARM on existing devices is probably impossible and quite likely to be illegal.
Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
Greg
Microsoft (and the hardware manufacturers of current Android devices) don't want this to happen on ARM devices, because having an open bootloader and a myriad of Linux distributions would hurt their ecosystems. All ARM W8 tablets will come with locked bootloaders by specification, just like Android ones. Existing Android devices and others like the TouchPad will be very difficult to port this to because the bootloader security is different from current devices. But who wants ARM Windows 8 as the old apps and desktop don't work on it?
Regarding x86: If it's possible on the HTC Shift, it will sure be possible on Medfield (next-gen Atom for phones) devices, especially if the bootloader is open. If it's closed the scene will figure out how to unlock it and install Windows 7/W8/Ubuntu/etc. on it just like on a regular PC, which would mean having access to all legacy apps. Of course dual boot would also be possible.
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Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
Greg
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Since only OEMs will be able to buy W8 ARM liscences, and liscences are not device transferable, you will not be allowed to port it to a non-liscenced device, just like Windows Mobile or WP7.
And no, W8ARM will not be able to run x86 programs.
I think there's an excellent chance that private users will be able to get a copy of W8 for arm.
And whether or not x86 code will run in the arm version is definitely not settled.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/07/desktop-apps-may-run-on-win8-for-arm-after-all-maybe/
I read that article and laughed. Never once did they mention ARM - they were reffering to the 'classic desktop' UI, and they can't decide if W8ARM will be metro only, or have the (for ARM) near useless classic desktop.
Give up all hope that W8ARM will have an emulator built in. Its not going to happen, performance will be so terrible it would alienate customers. W8ARM will not be available to consumers for the same reason WP7 isn't - Microsoft would loose too much control and non-techie customers would be too confused.
Not sure but does this mean windows 8 on a Cisco Cius is possible cause it has an Intel atom processor?
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if it has an atom processor, it should be. as with anything cross-platform, drivers would be an issue, but that shouldn't be too hard to overcome.
That's pretty awesome
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yes right, i am agree with u
I personally hope intel medfield kills off any arm competitors in the windows 8 tablet business. I am not happy with how closed arm can be compared to x86.
The arm architecture is more open than x86. But indeed you can do more on x86 based hardware as there is more software available for it.
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As long as your x86 Android netbook can boot from USB storage and isn't locked into the OSes that it came with, I guess it could be possible as long as the amount of RAM and internal storage meet the minimum requirements.
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x86 instruction sets are one thing but drivers are a whole different ball game.
But in theory yes, Win 8 x86 could run on x86 android hardware, with several very large assumptions being made
as for ARM, I think we can forget x86 emulation, the overheads would cripple it. To be honest, I personally wouldn't have a use for an ARM tablet, an x86 tablet however would be very useful, so come on Intel, get your finger out and give us some affordable ultra low watt x86 SoCs, keep it cheap an OEMS will trip over them selves buying them, after all, backward compatibility means les overheads for companies and less hassle for users.
Okay so i think we know that windows 8 desktop os cant be done, but what if we took the phone os, are they different would it work, or would we get just a big phon
You would get big nothing. It is not possible to run Windows (Phone) 8 on Iconias and will never be as MS will never publish sources for the drivers etc which would be required to even start thinking about this.
This is a totallly different scenario than running Windows Mobile 6 on a device with Windows Mobile 5 device, as there already was support for windows mobile drivers for specific devices. Rom makers just had to do some magic with file mixing from different releases and they were able to make more or less stable roms. But here we don't have any Windows drivers for our tablets at all.
So just forget about it and stop asking such questions.
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You would get big nothing. It is not possible to run Windows (Phone) 8 on Iconias and will never be as MS will never publish sources for the drivers etc which would be required to even start thinking about this.
This is a totallly different scenario than running Windows Mobile 6 on a device with Windows Mobile 5 device, as there already was support for windows mobile drivers for specific devices. Rom makers just had to do some magic with file mixing from different releases and they were able to make more or less stable roms. But here we don't have any Windows drivers for our tablets at all.
So just forget about it and stop asking such questions.
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Uhhh.... suppose I shouldn't ask about iOS?
But hey, they still have a ton of W500 and W501's for sale here. Wonder why?
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@Moscow Desire maybe it's the price? At least in my country cheapest w500 was about $150 more expensive than 64GB version of a500.
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@Moscow Desire maybe it's the price? At least in my country cheapest w500 was about $150 more expensive than 64GB version of a500.
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It's definitely the price.
Over here, they will keep them at the same price forever. Even when the supposedly "surface" tablets come out.
Can you believe they want $750 for a W500/16 mb????? And they have a "ton" of these windows tablets they can't sell.
But a birdie in MS told me, they don't plan on upgrading the OS.
Heck, if they dropped the price to $250, I might get one just to add to the collection of unused gadgets I need some for a new business though.
Insane.
MD
It seems to be cheaper in Poland if you take memory size into consideration. Only the 32GB version is available in two options: with Window 7 Home Premium (about 690 USD without dock and 800 USD with dock) or Windows 7 Professional (850/880 USB without or with dock).
Those prices are from the largest polish computer shop network komputronik.pl (PLN/USD currency exchange rate from Google) and they even don't have the lowest prices on the market.
About the OS update, it is basically a PC hardware (AMD dualcore x86-64 processor and AMD Radeon graphics card) so I don't see a reason why couldn't it run Win8 desktop version. I don't know how hard it is to install new OS in w500 though.
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Okay so i think we know that windows 8 desktop os cant be done, but what if we took the phone os, are they different would it work, or would we get just a big phon
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842228
haha lol no i dont see that happening anytime soon even if i dont see a port coming over maybe something like a chroot enviremont but not a port the only os's ive found runnable on the acer a500 are ubuntu, backtrack 5, some of the older mac os's, win95, bodhi linux, win xp (not worth it) and ARMEDslack
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haha lol no i dont see that happening anytime soon even if i dont see a port coming over maybe something like a chroot enviremont but not a port the only os's ive found runnable on the acer a500 are ubuntu, backtrack 5, some of the older mac os's, win95, bodhi linux, win xp (not worth it) and ARMEDslack
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I don't think that it is a good thing to mix natively running systems (Linux based) with those that require emulation (Mac OS, Win 95 or Win XP). In my opinion OS that requires emulator doesn't qualify to be categorized as "runnable" on specific hardware, as the hardware they are using are 100% software emulated and they are running on top of another OS after all.
Chroot won't allow you to run Windows, as chrooted environment is using currently running kernel, so you can only run Linux based systems this way.
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I don't think that it is a good thing to mix natively running systems (Linux based) with those that require emulation (Mac OS, Win 95 or Win XP). In my opinion OS that requires emulator doesn't qualify to be categorized as "runnable" on specific hardware, as the hardware they are using are 100% software emulated and they are running on top of another OS after all.
Chroot won't allow you to run Windows, as chrooted environment is using currently running kernel, so you can only run Linux based systems this way.
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I think that os's that equire emulation are slow and pretty much useless but i dont see any arm in running them
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I think that os's that equire emulation are slow and pretty much useless but i dont see any arm in running them
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It's all a matter of meaning of the "runnable" one chooses. For me to categorize system as a runnable on specific hardware it must be able to run natively on this hardware without the help of additional software layers, i.e. system's kernel and drivers must communicate with the hardware directly.
To run Windows on our tablets you need an emulator which presents additional software layers on top of a host system (Android/Linux) which create emulated hardware layer which is not equal to device's real hardware. This of course allows you to run the system on a variety of hardware which isn't supported by the OS itself, but this does not mean that it is runnable on this hardware.
I'm not against emulation. As a matter of fact I'm using VirtualBox a lot (in both ways: Windows guest on Linux host and Linux guest on Windows host). Of course to emulate different kind of hardware you need to have powerful enough real hardware. If you take into consideration that the host system also using CPU and RAM at the same time and emulator does full CPU emulation (x86 on ARM) you simply cannot expect that Windows XP will work efficiently emulated on Tegra2 with 1GB RAM.
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It's all a matter of meaning of the "runnable" one chooses. For me to categorize system as a runnable on specific hardware it must be able to run natively on this hardware without the help of additional software layers, i.e. system's kernel and drivers must communicate with the hardware directly.
To run Windows on our tablets you need an emulator which presents additional software layers on top of a host system (Android/Linux) which create emulated hardware layer which is not equal to device's real hardware. This of course allows you to run the system on a variety of hardware which isn't supported by the OS itself, but this does not mean that it is runnable on this hardware.
I'm not against emulation. As a matter of fact I'm using VirtualBox a lot (in both ways: Windows guest on Linux host and Linux guest on Windows host). Of course to emulate different kind of hardware you need to have powerful enough real hardware. If you take into consideration that the host system also using CPU and RAM at the same time and emulator does full CPU emulation (x86 on ARM) you simply cannot expect that Windows XP will work efficiently emulated on Tegra2 with 1GB RAM.
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agreed completely thats why the setup is not even worth it but if you do go through the grunge work of setting it up then when you actually get it running its completely usueless win95 you can atleast play minesweeper at decent fps but winXP is nearly impossible to do anything on even move the mouse with decent fps but still the option is there
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
Why, just why.
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Why, just why.
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I was going to try and install visual studio...
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I'm open to ideas on this one. For example, I know that windows 7/8 could be run from a USB drive. Can I load them from the Nexus 10? Is this even possible?
Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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Why, just why.
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Why not? It's a Nexus device, running Android, your open to a lot of experimenting and customization
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Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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I have successfully booted to Win 95 and Win 98 on an Orange San Francisco.
My final aim is to be able to use visual studio though...
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
OP DUDE!!! CANCEL THE NEXUS 10!! QUICK before its delivered!!! What you need isn't a fast and powerful flagship android device. You need the ViewSonic Viewpad 10"!!!!!!
Another idea might be to setup a dedicated computer (or a regular computer) and install Splashtop 2, and just remote control it
Cinizzz said:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
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Get a Surface.
dalingrin said:
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I like your ideas, especially ssh. Are there ready made applications for that or you're doing that through a linux os?
Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Thanks a lot for this useful explanation!! Some sort of RDP over the web would be enough for me
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
Why would anyone want to run Win RT on top of Android? For the great selection of Win RT apps?
It's funny, because peeps in the Surface RT forum are excitedly jabbering about getting Bluestacks so they can run Android apps. The grass is always greener on the wrong side of the fence.
Now, if someone were to get iPad apps running on Android, then you've got my interest.
Anyway, I think the grand plan for MS is to get apps to run on all three of their platforms, PC, tab, and phone. The PC will drive app development, and hopefully those apps will also work on the smaller devices. It's kind of Android in reverse, where phones are driving development for tablets--well, in theory at least. The diff is that Android is entrenched in phones, while MS still can't get traction anywhere in mobile.
Windows RT doesn't support Active Directory so it's more or less useless in the corporate environment.
But one reason I would still be interested in running RT on Nexus 10 is it's powerful RT Office 2013 suite.
Of course, MS is working on Office for Android. Hopefully, it will be released soon.
advShor said:
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
Watcher64 said:
Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Interesting... Seems Windows RT future has too many unknowns at this point.
Anyway, those who are interested in the subject, may want to check out this long MSDN thread that starts with Sinofsky letter describing, among other things, what OE partners have to do to bundle WOA (Windows-on-ARM) with their chip implementation.
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT is solely for ARM devices. Windows 8 is x86/x64. That said, it will take some serious hacking to get RT to run on not sanctioned devices.
Watcher64 said:
Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT = ARM. Windows 8 = x86/64.
Microsoft is relying on the confusion to market RT. It has more in common with Windows Phone 8, except with the same UI as Windows 8. None of the same capability as the desktop version- can't join a domain, no active directory support, mandated locked bootloader (no flashing other OSes), signed executables that can only be installed from the official app store. This means that there's no compatibility whatsoever with running apps and games made for previous versions of Windows (ie- no executing exe files). No ability to run Steam and your existing game library. I'm not even sure if it will connect to Samba file shares on the network natively (it may require apps like Android and iOS to do this).
In short, Microsoft crippled RT to the point where it has no real advantages over Android or iOS. Of course, it's not bad, but the Surface and other WinRT tablets are pricing themselves out of the market while relying on market confusion to catch unsuspecting [legacy] Windows users.
You can't install/run a x86 OS on a ARM processor. Not sure why anyone would want to anyways. Windows on tablets has been around for years and guess what it's a big failure. I like Windows and have a triple monitor system at home, and a dual monitor at work, and a personal ultrabook however Windows 7 and earlier were not touch friendly and made for a bad experience on touchscreen computers. If you want "Windows" on your Nexus 10 just RDP into your Windows workstation...