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[INFO] Here are pictures comparing Transformer's LCD to Xoom's LCD (viewing angles)

I wanted to bring some pictures I took last night to the forum. As a Xoom owner (now former, just took it back) and in anticipation of the Transformer's release, I scoured the internet over the past few weeks in search of some good comparison pictures between the Xoom's LCD and the Transformer's IPS LCD. At the time, there were not a ton of photos comparing these two specific devices.
I decided to setup my tripod and try to capture the viewing angle differences of these two displays while I still had both devices in my possession. Both devices were at 100% brightness, and I let the camera choose the shutter speed (aperture priority - Nikon D200). Some of the shutter speeds selected made the overall image darker, but it still gives a good idea of the color and contrast differences between the two displays (in addition to viewing angle differences). My goal wasn't to compare brightness - both devices are more or less on par in that area.
If anyone was on the fence regarding the two devices, maybe these images will offer better insight into one of the most important aspects of a tablet - the display. The price gap is big enough, and the screen technology is different enough (all in favor of the Transformer), that someone being on the fence regarding these two devices is hard for me to imagine. You never know though.
You can view the flickr stream here. (25 total images)
The flickr stream description mentions this - but I'll mention it here too: The Xoom is on the LEFT or the TOP, and the Transformer is on the RIGHT or the BOTTOM in the pictures.
I hope someone finds these pictures interesting.
I have attached one of them here.

Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?

couple of the pics xoom is better (or you can say brighter), but the most is to Transformer.
I don't like the strong brightness on the xoom specially in the reading part. I like feel it will hurt my eyes after while of reading. On the other hand, smooth colors in the Transformer, and easy on the eye.
Thanks for showing us the differences.

Thank you for taking the time and posting this.

Not as dramatic a difference as I expected (colors wash out, but things are still legible, unlike the gTab), but the Transformer still wins, especially with the price difference.

Thank you for taking your time and posting the pictures.
The xoom looks a little overexposed, but kind of I thought there would be more different. Seeing them side by side I think the xoom, not having a IPS screen, has a very nice one (compared to others I have seen in other tablets).
Regards.

Yeah, good job!
The transformer is a clear winner here.

Thanks for posting it. This should make it little easier to convince a couple of friends who are on the fence (iPADers!).

x2 on the Xoom versus Transformer - that picture is very accurate.
The Xoom also has a bluish tint that bugs me (common TFT issue, I believe). The Transformer IPS screen color balance is better, imo.

kxs783kms said:
Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?
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Unfortunately, I do not have access to the Acer. Sorry!

Wow, I was debating between a few tablets, by with the support the transformer is getting here on xda, and seeing these pictures, I'm pretty much sold on waiting for the transformer
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dfin13 said:
Not as dramatic a difference as I expected (colors wash out, but things are still legible, unlike the gTab), but the Transformer still wins, especially with the price difference.
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You are right ... it is not terrible - and to be honest, I probably could have continued to use the Xoom and been perfectly happy. The price difference played a pretty big role and contributed a lot to wanting to switch to the Transformer. I suspect that there would have always been a thought in the back of my mind bugging me about how the Xoom's screen "could have been better."
Overall, I love the difference in the screen though - it has certainly helped me in a number of practical ways where I was previously disappointed with the Xoom's screen performance in regards to viewing angles and color. Specifically while the Xoom was sitting flat on my desk at work - things were hard(er) to read due to the wash out and loss of contrast at the angle I was viewing it at.
There is another Xoom screen artifact to mention here too. If anyone has ever seen a Xoom's screen when portrait mode, then maybe you have noticed. You could see horizontal lines in the actual panel itself for every row of pixels - most noticeably on a white background. I've read other reviews stating the same thing. I have a friend at work who also noticed the same thing on his Xoom. It wasn't noticeable when in landscape orientation. It was easy to overlook though and not a deal breaking issue for me. The Transformer's IPS LCD does NOT do this.

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Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?
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I don't have pictures but I compared the Acer to my NC yesterday, also an IPS screen, and I can say with certainty that I saw really comparable results to the Xoom v Asus comparison. Even dead on, Acer had slightly washed colors when compared to an IPS screen and at angles > 45... well it was pretty hopeless for the Acer while the NC was perfectly visible and vibrate.
Regardless to say, Acer went back to BB last night and waiting for my Asus to come in tomorrow.

dustindw said:
I wanted to bring some pictures I took last night to the forum. As a Xoom owner (now former, just took it back) and in anticipation of the Transformer's release, I scoured the internet over the past few weeks in search of some good comparison pictures between the Xoom's LCD and the Transformer's IPS LCD. At the time, there were not a ton of photos comparing these two specific devices.
I decided to setup my tripod and try to capture the viewing angle differences of these two displays while I still had both devices in my possession. Both devices were at 100% brightness, and I let the camera choose the shutter speed (aperture priority - Nikon D200). Some of the shutter speeds selected made the overall image darker, but it still gives a good idea of the color and contrast differences between the two displays (in addition to viewing angle differences). My goal wasn't to compare brightness - both devices are more or less on par in that area.
If anyone was on the fence regarding the two devices, maybe these images will offer better insight into one of the most important aspects of a tablet - the display. The price gap is big enough, and the screen technology is different enough (all in favor of the Transformer), that someone being on the fence regarding these two devices is hard for me to imagine. You never know though.
You can view the flickr stream here. (25 total images)
The flickr stream description mentions this - but I'll mention it here too: The Xoom is on the LEFT or the TOP, and the Transformer is on the RIGHT or the BOTTOM in the pictures.
I hope someone finds these pictures interesting.
I have attached one of them here.
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For anyone interested in reading some more "general thoughts" between the two screens, I have finally published the blog post that I started the night I posted these pictures.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/

thanks alot

dustindw said:
For anyone interested in reading some more "general thoughts" between the two screens, I have finally published the blog post that I started the night I posted these pictures.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/
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Music? Did you say music? Now I must know.... is your ID the same on last.fm, because anyone who listens to Shearwater and The National gets a thumbs up from me!

this post makes me feel so much better about buying the transformer having cancelled the Xoom, as pc world delayed me. I saved 100 pounds too! well 50 including the dock im still waiting on...

I have had my xoom for almost 3 weeks now and have no problem with how my screen looks from any viewing angle cuz the main angle I'm looking at is right in front of me. That's how all these devices are designed to be looked at. Not like a tv from various different angles. so I don't even understand why people complain about how a screen looks from a different angle. If its really that important to u plug it up to your tv via hdmi. Then see if u can still complain. I love my xoom. Yeah the price is a lil steep. But I work with electronics and if there's 1 I've learned in 12 years its you get what you pay for. Wanna cheap price. More then likely you'll have a cheaply made product
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Well, I think you don't truly appreciate viewing angles until you have a tablet that excels at them.

And this is important for those of us with kids that love fingerpainting or playing Angry Birds with you! I love how they are now able to sit next to me comfortably and not have to peer right at the screen to get the viewing angle just right.

Issues with Display (Colors)

Does anyone know if Motorola plan on releasing something to change the gamma/saturation/contrast on the Xoom? I love everything about it and own one, except for the fact everything looks washed out. I assume this would be a easy fix for someone to implement something similar to a monitor where you can pick the color temp of the device 5700k 9700k ect.
This is becomming a deal breaker to me as I watch a lot of videos and the colors look horrible.

It is definitely on the cool side, but far from horrible. With all the customization offered by android you would think screen preferences would be available.

I use an app called Color Filter Settings".

I measured my WiFi-only XOOM with a GretagMacbeth Eye One Colorimeter, and its color performance and gamma curves were actually pretty stellar. I also used these test images to visually inspect the picture. Using the LCD test images, the only faults I could find are the less than perfect viewing angles and (very) slow pixel response times typical of VA panels.
For reference, I am a photographer and have several D6500K calibrated monitors (2x Dell 2408 WFP (b) and 1x Dell FPW 2405).

willverduzco said:
I measured my WiFi-only XOOM with a GretagMacbeth Eye One Colorimeter, and its color performance and gamma curves were actually pretty stellar. I also used these test images to visually inspect the picture. Using the LCD test images, the only faults I could find are the less than perfect viewing angles and (very) slow pixel response times typical of VA panels.
For reference, I am a photographer and have several D6500K calibrated monitors (2x Dell 2408 WFP (b) and 1x Dell FPW 2405).
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yeah, just eyeballing it and i thought the xoom was pretty good. it hold shadows well, but washes out in the highlights. the transformer is waaaay too cool. some whites and light blues come out looking purple. it doesn't hold shadows as well but highlights are better.
to me a warmer color looks more natural.
i do image editing/color matching in print.

The Xoom's screen is sub-par. Why do people on this forum alway's try to make someone who draw's a problem about the Xoom feel like they are less intelligent? Every intelligent person know's the Xoom's screen is washed out... How about reading the reviews ? One of the only negative's about the Xoom is it's screen and video capabilities. As why this thing barely sells.
Put it next to the iPad2 or Playbook and see how crappy the Xoom's screen is. No need to do "specials tests" blah blah it's easy to see. It's a BIG difference. What you expect tho ? The Xoom has alot more going for it so i'm not surprised they didn't get the best panel.
LONG LIVE THE XOOM THO !!

jamaicansolja said:
The Xoom's screen is sub-par. Why do people on this forum alway's try to make someone who draw's a problem about the Xoom feel like they are less intelligent? Every intelligent person know's the Xoom's screen is washed out... How about reading the reviews ? One of the only negative's about the Xoom is it's screen and video capabilities. As why this thing barely sells.
Put it next to the iPad2 or Playbook and see how crappy the Xoom's screen is. No need to do "specials tests" blah blah it's easy to see. It's a BIG difference. What you expect tho ? The Xoom has alot more going for it so i'm not surprised they didn't get the best panel.
LONG LIVE THE XOOM THO !!
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Not quite... The reason other displays look "better" to your eyes is that they are calibrated to look appealing rather than accurate.
Do yourself a favor and take a look at a Motorola Droid. Now look at a Samsung Nexus S. Your tastes will probably favor the Nexus S's screen. However, I would far prefer the screen on the Droid, as it is much more accurate and better calibrated.
There's no right or wrong screen here, as it's all user preference. The Droid, like the XOOM, has an extremely well calibrated, accurate screen. They aren't shockingly vibrant nor does they have incredibly high contrast. However, if they were incredibly vibrant and had really high contrast, other users (such as myself) would call the image gaudy.
Bottom line is that if the XOOM looks wrong to you, you're not used to looking at well calibrated screens.
(Note: I'm only speaking from my own personal WiFi-only XOOM. I am not aware of how much variability there is screen-to-screen on XOOMs.)

madsquabbles said:
yeah, just eyeballing it and i thought the xoom was pretty good. it hold shadows well, but washes out in the highlights. the transformer is waaaay too cool. some whites and light blues come out looking purple. it doesn't hold shadows as well but highlights are better.
to me a warmer color looks more natural.
i do image editing/color matching in print.
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Hmm... That's strange. If you click the LCD Image tests I have linked earlier, specifically the white saturation, how does your XOOM do? Mine reveals 254 as well as any of my calibrated monitors. I'm wondering if this means that there is a good deal of screen variability.

willverduzco said:
Not quite... The reason other displays look "better" to your eyes is that they are calibrated to look appealing rather than accurate.
Do yourself a favor and take a look at a Motorola Droid. Now look at a Samsung Nexus S. Your tastes will probably favor the Nexus S's screen. However, I would far prefer the screen on the Droid, as it is much more accurate and better calibrated.
There's no right or wrong screen here, as it's all user preference. The Droid, like the XOOM, has an extremely well calibrated, accurate screen. They aren't shockingly vibrant nor does they have incredibly high contrast. However, if they were incredibly vibrant and had really high contrast, other users (such as myself) would call the image gaudy.
Bottom line is that if the XOOM looks wrong to you, you're not used to looking at well calibrated screens.
(Note: I'm only speaking from my own personal WiFi-only XOOM. I am not aware of how much variability there is screen-to-screen on XOOMs.)
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I thought the LCD is AUO or SHP also matters. Mine is SHP which stands for "Sharp", problem is potential light leak. Correct me if I am wrong though.
Also, I hand my left hand carring ipad 2 and right hand carring Xoom (because right hand is my stronger hand) last weekend,
Screen-wise, if you turn xoom brightness higher, those two screens looks same to me.
Btw, ipad 2 IPS screens also has infinite finger-prints too...
Only challenge appeared to me when I put these two head-to-head compare, was apps.
We definitely need more sexy slick powerful Honeycomb apps!

jiwengang said:
I thought the LCD is AUO or SHP also matters. Mine is SHP which stands for "Sharp", problem is potential light leak. Correct me if I am wrong though.
Also, I hand my left hand carring ipad 2 and right hand carring Xoom (because right hand is my stronger hand) last weekend,
Screen-wise, if you turn xoom brightness higher, those two screens looks same to me.
Btw, ipad 2 IPS screens also has infinite finger-prints too...
Only challenge appeared to me when I put these two head-to-head compare, was apps.
We definitely need more sexy slick powerful Honeycomb apps!
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Ah! I had forgotten about the two different screens. For reference, I have the AU Optronics screen.

Horrid color distortion at normal viewing angles

Has anyone noticed that the warm colors are only available when looking at the display head on?
Tilting just a few degrees does keep the image sharp, but the colors are much colder...
What im asking is - is this normal, or should i get another?

Well - i just spoke to supercurio, he says its to do with crappy glass treatment, not the panel itself.
Will go and see what else they have at the store tomorrow...

Only a slight change in color for me. Nothing that I would say is an "issue". But, of course, it depends on your personal perception...
What more annoys me is the banding (gradient) and the oversaturated, unnatural colors that I experienced with all AMOLED displays until now. I prefer LC displays...

ftgg99 said:
Has anyone noticed that the warm colors are only available when looking at the display head on?
Tilting just a few degrees does keep the image sharp, but the colors are much colder...
What im asking is - is this normal, or should i get another?
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ftgg99 said:
Well - i just spoke to supercurio, he says its to do with crappy glass treatment, not the panel itself.
Will go and see what else they have at the store tomorrow...
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Seems to be common in Samsung devices but not all exhibit such a bad viewing angle, my Galaxy S and S8500 didnt have any color temperature changes when tilted even at extreme angles while my Galaxy S2 had a slight shift to green, while my note's first screen didnt have any hint of temperature change but after the screen replacement I had a blue tint with really bad viewing angles.
I havent seen how bad it is on the Tab7.7 but im guessing its gonna be similar.
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Found this show case video on the Galaxy Note about the viewing angles, their unit doesnt seem to exhibit any color changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0we861FoBz0

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Added to ignore list for posting irrelevant opinions THAT TELL US NOTHING.
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Don't let me stop you, just letting you know that its common among samsung devices but not all of them exhibit the same issue, a friend dropped by after getting his tab 7.7 about 2hrs ago and there is no color change at an angle, so yours might be faulty.

ftgg99 said:
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Man I don't post too often but you've gotta relax a little bit, take a chill pill.
The other guy does have a point in saying that its common to all Samsung devices especially the Galaxy S line of devices. I've had a Galaxy S2 that had color temperature change when viewed from an angle and even my current nexus does it.
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
I hope you find my "opinion" relevant but whatever, relax and chill out.
Also he did add to his post that he saw a friend Tab 7.7 and it didn't have the color change that you mentioned.

Flightless said:
Man I don't post too often but you've gotta relax a little bit, take a chill pill.
The other guy does have a point in saying that its common to all Samsung devices especially the Galaxy S line of devices. I've had a Galaxy S2 that had color temperature change when viewed from an angle and even my current nexus does it.
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
I hope you find my "opinion" relevant but whatever, relax and chill out.
Also he did add to his post that he saw a friend Tab 7.7 and it didn't have the color change that you mentioned.
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Right, ill try to take it easy. But you might want to think why opinions about "Samsung devices" are completely irrelevant...
You might also like to read the op, look at my profile page and signature and make some deductions regarding the entire reasoning process as well.
And thank you for the strait, relevant answer. Its appreciated.

Flightless said:
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
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That you notice.
This would be the first OLED or any screen (LCD obviously is bad for this) that doesn't change a bit when viewed off axis then. I have seen the Note, the Infuse, and even Zune HD screens and they all shift a bit when viewed at an angle. I would be very suprised if this did't shift at all but I suppose it may be possible.

DaveC1964 said:
That you notice.
This would be the first OLED or any screen (LCD obviously is bad for this) that doesn't change a bit when viewed off axis then. I have seen the Note, the Infuse, and even Zune HD screens and they all shift a bit when viewed at an angle. I would be very suprised if this did't shift at all but I suppose it may be possible.
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Look at the video posted above on the note, it does not have any color temperature change as far as I can tell. Before I had my screen replacement it was similar to that.

Just bought three more for the office, all with perfect screens. The first was a dud, store took it back after some cajoling.
Thanks for the help.

No colour change with mine. Best screen I've have ever looked at.
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I also took mine back because it turned blue when i looked at it at a small angle. New one is not perfect either, still distorting way more than screen on my lcd 8.9 though.
I wonder how many people just dont realise that small color distorion is normal and never complain and how many actually haver crappy screens (since i assume they are pretty much the same manufacture date)?

fafrehugen said:
I also took mine back because it turned blue when i looked at it at a small angle. New one is not perfect either, still distorting way more than screen on my lcd 8.9 though.
I wonder how many people just dont realise that small color distorion is normal and never complain and how many actually haver crappy screens (since i assume they are pretty much the same manufacture date)?
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I also wonder what you're doing with your tablets... When I'm using mine I'm holding in front of me, I don't tilt it at 78.5 degrees only to see that physics does its job with the glass filtering/separating colours at certain angles through reflections between the two glass surfaces.
You can't just have everything: a super-tough screen glass, brilliant colours, high resolution, crisp sharpness, 180 degrees viewing angles in every direction.... Be happy with the best screen in a tablet so far!
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I also wonder what you're doing with your tablets... When I'm using mine I'm holding in front of me, I don't tilt it at 78.5 degrees only to see that physics does its job with the glass filtering/separating colours at certain angles through reflections between the two glass surfaces.
You can't just have everything: a super-tough screen glass, brilliant colours, high resolution, crisp sharpness, 180 degrees viewing angles in every direction.... Be happy with the best screen in a tablet so far!
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Actually you can. My very first 7500 was PERFECT. As was an excellent Incredible S i owned.
Ive now seen 4 of these and none had what i would call a good screen compared to the LCD in my first 7500. Changing up to 170 degrees on it only affects the brightness not the pixels visible color temperatures.

Poor Viewing Angles

I've owned this tablet for over a week now and I really love the screen when viewed head on. The colours, contrast and brightness are great. However, I've seen a lot of reviews say that the viewing angles are good and that hasn't been my experience. If you're only talking about its horizontal or vertical vertical viewing angles individually it's not too bad (just a loss in brightness), but viewing the tablet diagonally results in blacks becoming a washed out mess.
It doesn't seem like a problem that would come up often, but the use cases for a tablet make it a fairly common occurrence. No one seems to have mentioned this so I was wondering what others thought. Does this not bother anyone else, or is this just standard for a 10" tablet?

Serav said:
I've owned this tablet for over a week now and I really love the screen when viewed head on. The colours, contrast and brightness are great. However, I've seen a lot of reviews say that the viewing angles are good and that hasn't been my experience. If you're only talking about its horizontal or vertical vertical viewing angles individually it's not too bad (just a loss in brightness), but viewing the tablet diagonally results in blacks becoming a washed out mess.
It doesn't seem like a problem that would come up often, but the use cases for a tablet make it a fairly common occurrence. No one seems to have mentioned this so I was wondering what others thought. Does this not bother anyone else, or is this just standard for a 10" tablet?
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Just noticed it. Don't view the screen diagonally. So not a concern

I suspect that Sony sacrificed the diagonal view angles for better horizontal and vertical ones. If you look *very* closely as the screen you'll see a bunch of diagonal lines — at least I see them on mine.
To answer your question, I've not seen this on any of the other 10 inch tablet screens I've beheld, but I have seen much poorer horizontal and vertical viewing angles
That said those diagonal lines do annoy me.
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My tablet actually has really good viewing angles. The only thing is the black go a little lighter when viewing diagonally. This is pretty common on IPS panels, even my Dell monitors.

TellTenPeople said:
I suspect that Sony sacrificed the diagonal view angles for better horizontal and vertical ones. If you look *very* closely as the screen you'll see a bunch of diagonal lines — at least I see them on mine.
To answer your question, I've not seen this on any of the other 10 inch tablet screens I've beheld, but I have seen much poorer horizontal and vertical viewing angles
That said those diagonal lines do annoy me.
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If I look extremely close at the screen (to the point of hurting my eyes) I can see very faint lines which do look just like pixels. It's only apparent on whites.

TellTenPeople said:
That said those diagonal lines do annoy me.
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After you mentioned it I looked closer. It looks the same on mine although they are very faint.
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My tablet actually has really good viewing angles. The only thing is the black go a little lighter when viewing diagonally. This is pretty common on IPS panels, even my Dell monitors.
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A little lighter? You must have a far better panel than me if the shift can reasonably be described as "little". On mine blacks become bright Grey. :-/
I didn't realise this was common to IPS panels, however at least I know it's not just me. I recently had a chance to play with a Galaxy Tab 2 and while it exhibited some of the same behavior it was nowhere near as bad as the XTZ.

Serav said:
After you mentioned it I looked closer. It looks the same on mine although they are very faint.
A little lighter? You must have a far better panel than me if the shift can reasonably be described as "little". On mine blacks become bright Grey. :-/
I didn't realise this was common to IPS panels, however at least I know it's not just me. I recently had a chance to play with a Galaxy Tab 2 and while it exhibited some of the same behavior it was nowhere near as bad as the XTZ.
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Yeah it might be hit or miss. The blacks kind of go grey-ish, but definitely not a bright grey. And it's not really an IPS thing, but it is common enough on them. Also, I honestly don't think it's much of a problem or issue at all. It's only the blacks viewed diagonally and at a very skewed viewing angle that change a bit. At least at most common viewing angles it doesn't change at all for me and probably the biggest thing, there's no colour shift. Colour shift is probably the biggest annoyance about my Nexus 4, so I'm glad my XTZ has absolutely none of it.
Also, the GTab2 uses PLS instead of IPS. It's Samsung's similar tech to IPS, but it is different of course, so it may be better.

I've just compared this screen to the Xperia Tablet S, and whilst the viewing angles are the sane on both diagonally, the faint lines across the screen are not exhibited on the Tablet S.
are barely noticeable, in fact, I'm surprised you noticed them!
Are you sure it's not the individual pixels?

Anybody NOT happy with the display?

To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.

Sounds like a hardware problem. I don't see how Touchwiz (or any ROM) could be responsible for that. Better have it exchanged.

Sounds like you're using reading mode
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Color accuracy is pretty decent on the Note 10.1’s display. As always I’m reporting color data using Samsung’s Movie mode, which remains the most accurate setting of those offered. Grayscale performance is excellent, but our GMB and saturations tests put the Note 10.1 on par with the original Nexus 7. It’s definitely a better calibrated display than any other Samsung Galaxy Note tablet we’ve reviewed. Not quite on par with the new Nexus 7, but getting very close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
My (AMOLED) N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14...
My "whites"...

The screen on this amazing and nothing short of that.

You must have a bad tablet...
My screen is great.
I have minor light bleed on bottom edge but thats not bothersome and barely noticeable.
Never had any problems with color rendition. Not to the extent you said it sounds like. Its been pretty natural looking for me.
EDIT: Removed link, its posted two above this...
I dont know what these numbers mean but here is a comparison against a crapple ipad: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10.1-2014-vs-Apple-iPad-4_id3445

Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).

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To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?

kkretch said:
Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
Thanks.

whatllitbenext said:
Thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
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I leave both my N3 and N10.1-14 on Adapt Display. On the N3 it's the only way to achieve maximum brightness in bright conditions; like an additional 150 nits. I'm not sure if the N10.1-14's Adapt Display works the same way. I have to confess, while Movie Mode may be more accurate I've come to like overly saturated colors on my mobile devices.

whatllitbenext said:
No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
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To me......... In your (photo 3) side by side photo's I think the device on the left is to red and has to much color saturation the tablet looks good to me in that photo....
There is at lease 2 places in the control panel of the P-600 to adjust color, have you seen them?
If you not happy with the way it looks and you can exchange it you should. If you don't you will always have this thought in the back of your mind.
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as another user said, it sounds like reading mode is turned on make sure it's off. It probably unlikely that this is the problem though since the the only app that defaults with reading mode on is play books.

Thank you for your responses.
I'm not quite sure how to say this without sounding impolite but several of you seem not to have read my posts completely, so please allow me to start over.
My yellows are very washed out: what ought to be bright canary yellows are dull gold. For example: the yellow in the Chrome logo is what I define as "yellow." On the GM10.1, 2014 Ed. it appears gold and dull.
Skin tones are wan and blue-ish.
White web page areas are gray-blue-ish.
Overall color temperature is "cool."
Reading mode does warm things up a bit...but still, I can't get any combination of settings where yellows "pop".
Settings > Device > Display > Screen mode is set to "movie" and that barely affects the vibrancy of the yellows; in fact there is no real difference between all four of the options.
IN SUM: COLOR RENDITION SUCKS.
Take it back to Best Buy?
(I s'pose I just answered my question...)
Thanks in advance.

The subpixel arrangement creates a dot effect more seen in print when looking through a magnifying glass. While not overly distracting, I do notice it at times. My biggest complaint is the blueish hue shift in darker tones when putting the display at an angle. Is this a TN panel ? I've always had OLED and my Oppo Find 5 was the first smartphone I've owned that didn't have a OLED screen. Still, the find 5 screen was MUCH better than the note 10.1 2014. Especially the black levels are kinda disappointing. I think the screen is WAY overrated in reviews. I primarily use the note in darker indoor areas so I have no use for the extra brightness delivered by the white subpixel.
I still think it's a great device tough, and for the price there is nothing like it. I would like to see some CM and Omni builds for it though which retain the wacom S pen "drivers". I don't care for the samsung features, I just want to use Autodesk Sketchbook.

Overall, I'm really happy with my display. My one complaint is that viewing angles seem to be a little off.

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Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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What I know is that this device comes with LCD display. Not amoled. So there.is not pentile design. Because it is not amoled. The color would not look as vivid as amoled, yellow will look like a bit washout because of the backlight compared to amoled
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Check this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
As you can see, Note 10.1 2014 edition is pentile. You can also see this when looking at the screen. Transitions between some colors are a bit blurry.

When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.

BarryH_GEG said:
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.

whatllitbenext said:
Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Think average is a silly comment. I prefer the display to the ipad air. Sometimes wish the whites were slightly better. But I would like to see anyone who has a better screen on an Android 10 inch tablet
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