I am getting kinda worried, that future updates of Android will run slow on my phone cause its only 8GB, doesn't each update become a bigger file and take up more space? I use alot of cloud and streaming services so I dont need much on board storage so I didnt feel compelled to pay 50 bucks for 8gb of storage when I know it too expensive to pay for just that amount of storage. So my question is am I safe with this storage considering future OS updates.
The OS is a few hundred megabytes. You've got nothing to worry about.
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The OS is a few hundred megabytes. You've got nothing to worry about.
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Thanks for the reply, so why when i got my device was there only around 5.5 gb available to me?
Righteous Joe said:
I am getting kinda worried, that future updates of Android will run slow on my phone cause its only 8GB, doesn't each update become a bigger file and take up more space? I use alot of cloud and streaming services so I dont need much on board storage so I didnt feel compelled to pay 50 bucks for 8gb of storage when I know it too expensive to pay for just that amount of storage. So my question is am I safe with this storage considering future OS updates.
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The OS it's self is bigger than a few hundred megs, but updates do your device do not necessarily mean your OS is taking up more space. Just because your os is, say, 500 megs and you downloaded a 100 meg update your new total is almost certainly less that 600, depending on the update much of that code is replacing existing code.
Also, performance is not dependent on the amount of HDD space you have available, this is even more true on flash memory. If you max it out to a 100% you're going to have problems, but other than that it matters very little.
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Thanks for the reply, so why when i got my device was there only around 5.5 gb available to me?
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Formatted capacity of an 8gb drive is probably closer to 7.5, less some space for the OS + recovery partition + included Google apps, and likely some additional space reserved for future OS updates (though this is just speculation).
Isn't the space for the OS set aside from the usable storage?
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For this phone (8 GB model), there's only ~5.5 GB available to user for sdcard-like storage.
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For this phone (8 GB model), there's only ~5.5 GB available to user for sdcard-like storage.
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Is there anyway to recover more available free space? it seems a bit ridiculous that the the OS would take up 2gb....
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Is there anyway to recover more available free space? it seems a bit ridiculous that the the OS would take up 2gb....
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No. On older devices you could change mtd and assign size for system, cache, and data(user storage) but, that is not available for the newer devices. You'll have to deal with what Google/lge gave you or switch to 16gb.
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No. On older devices you could change mtd and assign size for system, cache, and data(user storage) but, that is not available for the newer devices. You'll have to deal with what Google/lge gave you or switch to 16gb.
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Why isn't it available for newer devices?
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Why isn't it available for newer devices?
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It was for the older mtd devices like n1, g1, my touch, hero,etc. I haven't seen recent attempts for emmc support for newer devices, could be that the partitions aren't modifiable anymore. Fire rat stated the cmtd patch on xda but I don't think he does anymore hacks here.
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It was for the older mtd devices like n1, g1, my touch, hero,etc. I haven't seen recent attempts for emmc support for newer devices, could be that the partitions aren't modifiable anymore. Fire rat stated the cmtd patch on xda but I don't think he does anymore hacks here.
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I thought partitions are made by the software? If that's the case then it's modifiable.
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I thought partitions are made by the software? If that's the case then it's modifiable.
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You'll have to do some research on custom mtd on Google, it's been awhile so I've forgotten most of the details. However a custom SPL or bootloader were used to allow custom partitions to be made via a text file.
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By the time a Android gets that big (in Gigabytes) you would have a different phone with about 128 if not 256 gb of storage
Our system partition is in the mid to upper 800s mb.
It is the same for both the 8gb and 16gb models.
Actual Usable Storage of Nexus and Other Phones
Hi Guys,
I put together a list of the actual usable internal storage of different phones so that we can compare and see which one has how much. This can be found on:
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OK the Vibrant is supposed to have 16 gb of storage but after the OS and other stuff that is reduced. Why is it some phones are showing 12.78 gb of total storage while others are reading 13.18 gb of total storage? Is there a hardware difference, or is this a software glitch causing an error? What gives?
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OK the Vibrant is supposed to have 16 gb of storage but after the OS and other stuff that is reduced. Why is it some phones are showing 12.78 gb of total storage while others are reading 13.18 gb of total storage? Is there a hardware difference, or is this a software glitch causing an error? What gives?
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Yes, there is a hardware difference. Some Vibrants are shipping with larger NAND memory. I believe it was 300MB more.
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Just be glad we don't have the 4GB internal space that the G2 has with ~1.5GB left for the user.
I was wondering that also. Thanks for the info.
Is there anyway to get the hardware specs for the two different versions of the phone? I find all of this interesting because t mobile told me I must be mistaken that there were no hardware differences between vibrants.
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Is there anyway to get the hardware specs for the two different versions of the phone? I find all of this interesting because t mobile told me I must be mistaken that there were no hardware differences between vibrants.
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When will people ever learn to not listen to most sales reps and customer service folk. Only a handful actually know what they are talking about.
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I bet this has been asked many times. I did a search but did not come up with anything usefull.
How come the nexus s is not using all of the 512mb of ram that it has?
Thanx.
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You didn't search hard enough. But a portion of the NS RAM is reserved for the graphics/and whatever else. ~384 MB of RAM is the rest
Also they advertise 16 Gb of SD memory and out of the box there's 13 Gb free => carrier free i9023
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Also they advertise 16 Gb of SD memory and out of the box there's 13 Gb free => carrier free i9023
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just like all storage devices. the listed size on tje box is never what u get. wonder why they dont advertise on the box u actually get. marketing? not like its even close to an issue i just always thought that to be odd
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BrianDigital said:
just like all storage devices. the listed size on tje box is never what u get. wonder why they dont advertise on the box u actually get. marketing? not like its even close to an issue i just always thought that to be odd
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Probably marketing. Because they do advertise that is 16GB, its just a portion of it is reserved for the file systems. And yup, its on all storage devices: SSD, HDD, MP3, USB, etc.
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Probably marketing. Because they do advertise that is 16GB, its just a portion of it is reserved for the file systems. And yup, its on all storage devices: SSD, HDD, MP3, USB, etc.
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just like all storage devices. the listed size on tje box is never what u get. wonder why they dont advertise on the box u actually get. marketing? not like its even close to an issue i just always thought that to be odd
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Also they advertise 16 Gb of SD memory and out of the box there's 13 Gb free => carrier free i9023
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I represent the company of all storage devices.
The space available are calculated using this formula.
16Gb = 16,000,000,000 btyes
16Gb power to log 7 with base ten
It will come out to become 13.52Gb.
And yes, they decided to make it as a market purpose.
1gb
2gb
4gb
8gb
18gb
32gb
64gb
128gb
250gb
500gb
640gb
1000gb = 1tb
All these are sequence, after the conference held in USA 20 years ago, they decided to use this sequence even thought they dun reach what it should be They just round up.
window7 said:
I represent the company of all storage devices.
The space available are calculated using this formula.
16Gb = 16,000,000,000 btyes
16Gb power to log 7 with base ten
It will come out to become 13.52Gb.
And yes, they decided to make it as a market purpose.
1gb
2gb
4gb
8gb
18gb
32gb
64gb
128gb
250gb
500gb
640gb
1000gb = 1tb
All these are sequence, after the conference held in USA 20 years ago, they decided to use this sequence even thought they dun reach what it should be They just round up.
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Now this is what I called REVELATION! Thanks buddy!
because of the used of ODR£¿£¿something like that
I think i just shat my pants.
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9300-galaxy-s-iii-64gb-unlocked-marble-white.html
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I think i just shat my pants.
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9300-galaxy-s-iii-64gb-unlocked-marble-white.html
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Suck your shat back up lol. It's only on preorder.
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No biggie; got the 16gb and put a 64gb micro sd in it. 80gb is sufficient for me ;-)
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Thats pretty damn costly, as mentioned why not just add a larger sd card?
Pants shat.
This + 64gb microsd = duh.
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This isnt actually that expensive. Its like +£80 on the 16gb here which is totally acceptable.
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This isnt actually that expensive. Its like +£80 on the 16gb here which is totally acceptable.
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Expensive for my broke ass....................
Wife would kill me if I spent that on a phone.
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Expensive for my broke ass....................
Wife would kill me if I spent that on a phone.
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Yeah i know its still a chunk of change but i mean relatively. I was expecting it to run around £800.
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16GB is good enough for me, you can always upgrade it with a 64GB (+/-) SD Card
I know people always say put in an SD card, but internal storage is FAR superior to microSD. MicroSD is a great convenience, but I would take large internal capacity over microSD anyday.
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I know people always say put in an SD card, but internal storage is FAR superior to microSD. MicroSD is a great convenience, but I would take large internal capacity over microSD anyday.
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I wonder how many apps you keep in your phone in order to need 64gb
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I wonder how many apps you keep in your phone in order to need 64gb
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It's not just apps. Videos and pictures. Pictures don't take up that much but some of the MKV videos I like to watch take a gig for each one. Thank goodness for microsd.
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I wonder how many apps you keep in your phone in order to need 64gb
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Videos, music, pictures. Plus to could still put at 64 SD SD card and get 128 GB of storage, excluding what the system uses.
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64gb is crazy space with 16GB plus 32GB card plus my 50GB drop box I will struggle to fill it and I have a ton of music lol some people must have loads of uneccessary stuff lol
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i really don't see any practical reasons to have so many things that would amount to 80~ gb on your phone
A good read -
http://ancillotti.hubpages.com/hub/Cards-or-internal-memory
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16+ 32gb card is good enough for me. Was gonna go with 32+ 32 but I still haven't used my 32gb up so it would be pointless.
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Closed, all reorder/availability stuff goes here
Hello. Ok so I have read in some threads about software updates from AT&T. But I checked and it says my software is up to date. So these updates I read about. Are they only for the 16 gig version. I have the 32 gig.
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caddyman1989 said:
Hello. Ok so I have read in some threads about software updates from AT&T. But I checked and it says my software is up to date. So these updates I read about. Are they only for the 16 gig version. I have the 32 gig.
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the phone storage capacity has nothing to do with any update schedule. The people you see that have updates are probably newbs that are just now finding a way to receive the initial OTA MDL
New updates coming from Samsung and AT&T
I spoke with a source inside AT&T and they claim due to the amount of complaints and returns on both the 16 and 32g phones they are working to correct the freezes and system app crapouts. When is still a mistery
By inside ATT you meant behind the counter at your local ATT vendor.
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I spoke with a source inside AT&T and they claim due to the amount of complaints and returns on both the 16 and 32g phones they are working to correct the freezes and system app crapouts. When is still a mistery
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That is funny. I have not had one freeze or any single problem. Not one. And my ATT store has had no returns or complaints. They have even run out of some models.
You realize they will tell you want to hear if you lead them. And the counter guys are not long termers so they will even make stuff up.
Also there are no threads on xda about stability issues, so your area must be like Bermuda triangle for cell phones.
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I have not experienced lag or any other problems either. Battery life and performance has been great on the stock rom and a bunch of others I have tried.
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I have not experienced lag or any other problems either. Battery life and performance has been great on the stock rom and a bunch of others I have tried.
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+1 the phone had some slight lag issues at first but it seems to have ironed out overtime
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By inside ATT you meant behind the counter at your local ATT vendor.
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No wise ass in Dallas and Atlanta. Some of us can reach out above your level
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No wise ass in Dallas and Atlanta. Some of us can reach out above your level
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OK there Mr bigshot with your fake internal sources that give you bupkiss information
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OK there Mr bigshot with your fake internal sources that give you bupkiss information
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AS you wish. Say hello to the rest of your crew in wonderland and give my regards to Alice. It was information concerning ATT not a condemnation of the product or your knowledge.
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AS you wish. Say hello to the rest of your crew in wonderland and give my regards to Alice. It was information concerning ATT not a condemnation of the product or your knowledge.
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you look so legit with your 10 posts in xda. Go back to nickelodeon forums
I can haz free space?
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flashing an international ROM and freezing unused apps works great to cut lag, and the newer XXUBMEA intl ROMs do allow many apps to be installed on SD card, so it does free SOME storage up (but not a whole lot more than what it came with stock, ie about 9GB for the 16GB version and 25GB for the 32GB version)
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flashing an international ROM and freezing unused apps works great to cut lag, and the newer XXUBMEA intl ROMs do allow many apps to be installed on SD card, so it does free SOME storage up (but not a whole lot more than what it came with stock, ie about 9GB for the 16GB version and 25GB for the 32GB version)
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i have a NA rom and i have no lag.
Received my shiny new toy today to rush into getting everything set up. went into task manager and notices there were only 2.38Gigs or ram usable. Thought this was a bit funny since missing .6gig is a ton of memory. I quickly ran benchmarks thanks to AnTuTu and when going into device details it confirmed that there is only 2.44 gigs of memory on board the device. Now i know there will be comments saying they have preinstalled system apps that take the memory but nothing would take up .6 gigs. Other threads i have found point that samsung is only putting chips in the phones that are 2.6~2.7gigs.
ibtimes.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3-release-date-nears-3gb-ram-handset-may-actually-contain-just-266gb-ram
I filled a complain and left a review warning other buyers of this issue.
I hope im wrong on this because for the price i really would like to get what i paid for. love samsung things but they are a crap company when it comes to their customers and doing the right thing.
Let me know what you think if this is just me over reacting or real issues from samsung.
I think the adreno 330 uses 600mb. That plus memory hungry TWZ there is barely any memory left. Basically Samsung had to give the phone 3gb or it would just plain suck
I wonder how much ram other phones have with only 2gb of ram, like the Z1, Z ultra, and G2?
Check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461099
The phone does have 3GB, we just don't see all of it
Personally I believe your over reacting. There is always going to be some overhead from the operating system allocating ram, it's like this even on actual computers.
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Overreacting. Device has 1GB more RAM than devices like the S4 which were listed/advertised as 2GB.
Not going to get into the details and mistakes in that article you referenced, but the long short is: don't waste your time worrying about it.
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bkeaver said:
Personally I believe your over reacting. There is always going to be some overhead from the operating system allocating ram, it's like this even on actual computers.
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This ^^^^
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Thats what I thought. But I cant wrap my mind around .6gigs.
The s4 has 2 gig on board and in task manager you have 1.8 available. The note2 is almost identical with that with 1.75 usable.
The s4 has 1080P as well without that memory drain. The only thing I could think of software wise would be something with s pen and its new features.
How much could change from note2 to note3 to take that space.
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What I'm not understanding is why are you so hung up about .6gb out of 3gb? What do you think your going to do with the other .6 if you did have it?
You know I don't ever remember Samsung making any type of a statement that the phone had 3gb of usable ram, it was just stated that the phone would come with 3gb of ram and it does doesn't it?
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Does the phone suck now that you know it doesn't have a
full 3 GB of ram?
No, no it doesn't. Don't worry about it just enjoy it.
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Does it matter? On boot I have about 990mb used... That's over 1 gig of free ram, more than I had on my note 2 free.
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Does the phone suck now that you know it doesn't have a
full 3 GB of ram?
No, no it doesn't. Don't worry about it just enjoy it.
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It has 4gb of ram
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Weeee
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went into task manager and notices there were only 2.38Gigs or ram usable.
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Thas write; its only gots 2.38GB of RAMs because .5GB is used by the GPU (Adreno). Its beens that way sinces the SGS3s cames outs.
Non-discrete graphics on PCs also allocate "X" amount of available RAM for themselves. But good luck with that petition, lawsuit, and crusade you're about to embark upon.
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How much could change from note2 to note3 to take that space.
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Note 2 had Samsung's Exynos chip. Note 3 is using a Qualcomm Soc. Qualcomm always reserves more ram for the gpu. Nothing to worry about. Multitasking works great. Enjoy your device.
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Thas write; its only gots 2.38GB of RAMs because .5GB is used by the GPU (Adreno). Its beens that way sinces the SGS3s cames outs.
Non-discrete graphics on PCs also allocate "X" amount of available RAM for themselves. But good luck with that petition, lawsuit, and crusade you're about to embark upon.
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More like 1.5
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Just to add, it baffles me that anyone could find fault with the performance of this device.
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Just to add, it baffles me that anyone could find fault with the performance of this device.
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No where was said that the performance wasnt good because of this. I just was not happy that it shows less that 2.5 on board. I know this is like all other devices that your not going to get the full 3 gig like they say.just like any ram or hard drive for that matter. Was just shocked that it was such a BIG drop from 3 gig.
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Note 2 had Samsung's Exynos chip. Note 3 is using a Qualcomm Soc. Qualcomm always reserves more ram for the gpu. Nothing to worry about. Multitasking works great. Enjoy your device.
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Great info though. I didnt know the chipset did that for graphics. Thanks for the info.
I'm no expert. But I'm pretty sure the note 3 has allocated ram for graphics processing. So that is where your .6gb is. Right?
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Let's say you install 12gb of memory in your computer, boot it up, check the memory manager, and you will see maybe 10 gb available. This is completely normal, because the operating system ie; windows 7 or 8, allocates what it needs to operate. Same holds true for Amdroid devices. The Note 3 does indeed have 3gb of memory. You can freeze/stop applications you don't use or need that load at boot, eating some of that memory. Just go to the application manager and go through the list amd freeze/stop what you don't need, freeing up memory. Currently, my Note 3 actively uses only 850mb on average, leaving me with well over a gb of free memory, which is more than enough. Hope this helps.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
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That, and the operating system.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
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Also keep in mind that the Adreno 330 is an onboard graphics chip, which requires system.memory to finction. Someday, we'll have discrete graphics chips, with dedicated memory. This phone is amazing, and the most powerful phone on the market right now.
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Received my shiny new toy today to rush into getting everything set up. went into task manager and notices there were only 2.38Gigs or ram usable. Thought this was a bit funny since missing .6gig is a ton of memory. I quickly ran benchmarks thanks to AnTuTu and when going into device details it confirmed that there is only 2.44 gigs of memory on board the device. Now i know there will be comments saying they have preinstalled system apps that take the memory but nothing would take up .6 gigs. Other threads i have found point that samsung is only putting chips in the phones that are 2.6~2.7gigs.
ibtimes.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3-release-date-nears-3gb-ram-handset-may-actually-contain-just-266gb-ram
I filled a complain and left a review warning other buyers of this issue.
I hope im wrong on this because for the price i really would like to get what i paid for. love samsung things but they are a crap company when it comes to their customers and doing the right thing.
Let me know what you think if this is just me over reacting or real issues from samsung.
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how do magnets ALLTHEGBS computers work?:angel:
ok ill stop being snarky, but yes you're overreacting