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i stumbled across this story. dunno if its been posted in other threads in this site but since im primarily a nexus one owner, ill post it here. look:
http://www.businessinsider.com/77-o...other-versus-just-20-of-android-owners-2010-7 only 20% of android users would buy another while 77% percent would buy another iphone? thats crap. i love android and this is coming from an ex iphone 1st gen, iphone 3g and iphone 3gs. android blows the iphone out the water with android 2.2. how can so many of us android users be unsatisfied with android? how many of you guys would buy another android device? i myself got my eye on the droid x but idk. its pretty hard to leave my nexus one
okay as someone asked i copied and pasted the article so no need to go to the actual site:
"Customer loyalty is definitely one of Apple's advantages versus most of its rivals in the smartphone market.
The latest evidence: A Yankee Group survey summarized on CNNMoney (via Daring Fireball) saying that 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, versus just 20% of Google Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.
That's a huge difference!
For now, it could be attributed to the early, half-baked state of many Android devices out there -- we assume the customer satisfaction for newer devices like the HTC Droid Incredible and Nexus One is much stronger than that of, say, the original HTC G1.
And, of course, it's quite possible that those people who don't plan to buy another Android phone will buy one anyway, just because it's the best-available smartphone at their carrier, price, or other factors.
But still -- this is a platform war we're at the beginning of, and Google needs to work with its handset partners to make sure Android is a good (and as "sticky") as possible.
(We assume BlackBerry maker RIM has also had very strong loyalty over the years, but it's not mentioned in the article.)"
Lol thas complete bs. I was the former owner of the iPhone 3g and 3gs and since i switched to android i've had eris, droid 1, N1, incedible, and now droid x, having said that, the only one i would choose the iphone over is the eris. I read a similar article on droid life one time but the loyalty to android was actually in the 80s that must be a apple fanboy blog.
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Yep, Pure BS! Some iphonie fan wrote it...
All I see is the numbers, nothing about how they surveyed the people, how many people, and so on. I find that very hard to believe that 80% wouldn't buy another android phone. The iphone % I believe, since pretty much if you own an iphone you buy one every year, or you realise the mistake you made and move to another platform. Oh well, all the press is good news, Android is a viable enemy to iOS and the media and everyone else knows this now. You wouldn't have a survey even done if it wasn't.
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
adambenjamin said:
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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i agree. if youre under 2.0, you wont experience the full android experience. to get the best feeling, 2.2 would be the one. this is where fragmentation is the issue
What really urks me is that there is not explination of the numbers, in either article they only say the numbers, not how the numbers were gathered or who was surveyed, as far as I am concerned the statement
"Android is the greatest mobile OS ever, iPhone cant even compare"
is just as plausible given the lack of evidence to support either my statement or their numbers.
Wow. As a show of how intelligent the sites readers are the whole comments section or an argument between fanboys in who will have more market share (the android guys side) and more profit ( the ios guys side).
This its probably true, if they took a sampling from att base. Att has ****ty android examples.
This is nosense.
As good old WM (6.x.x) is fading and WP7 won't compatible with older applications, I finally made a move and migrated to Android.
The first Android phone is nexus one, then you can imagine how high expectation I have with Android, and generally I think I made a right move.
Other than N8 (S60 cubic), the future smartphones will be Android 2.2+ based.
I love my n1 and would definitely get another android phone, once my nexus one dies or something worthwhile comes along to put my n1 into retirement.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
One question: why are we driving traffic to their site? Copy/paste the content and post it in your OP, then I might read it.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sounds like MS or Apple funded FUD to me. Or a clueless fanboi.
I just converted 3 people to android fanatics in the past month. And with the aria and captivate out for att I'm getting more people on the boat for it. My sister is far from technologically inclined and she still thinks her aria is easier and better than the iphone she almost bought.
I'm willing to guess that 100% of people at this forum would buy Android again We are hardly what I would consider an unbias source as we are browsing Android forums, clearly we love our devices.
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
Dai323 said:
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
I was using windows mobile for a long time until finally making the move to android with the nexus one. I have no regrets, either. When Windows Phone 7 releases, though, I will probably move to them. And if they can't keep up pace with apps/updates/ect, I'll be back on Android. I wont be buying any Apple products ever. I do not like the way they do business.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
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Fair enough, but XDA isnt ONLY Android developement. As Android got off to a slow start, I would think its very fair to say that people who purchased Android phones in the past year (Droid, Nexus, Evo, Desire, ect) would be VERY likely to purchase another Android phone.
And Id be willing to bet it would be alot more than 20%.
I thought you guys would enjoy this:
http://techland.com/2010/08/23/apple-plans-to-remotely-kill-your-iphone-if-its-jailbroken/
So now, Apple is saying that all jailbroken iPhones are susceptible to being wiped and/or bricked automatically by Apple This applies to anyone who has jailbroken or hacked the iPhone in any way.
Amazing..........
technically it doesnt say they are now susceptible. there is a patent that was published for them to have the ability to do this. There are still a plethora of legal issues i ma sure they would have to figure out.
It honestly doesnt surprise me i will never under stand the general sheep attitude that if you put an I in front of it and it has a fruit logo it must be good. Most apple products i think are a joke at the very least and highly over rated pos at best.
I do like mac computers but all there mobile devices could go away and i wouldn't shed a tear.
You're right; I said "are" susceptible instead of "would be" as this is still something they are trying to do at this point. So Apple wants to try to burn their customers by bricking their phones, and HTC releases their source codes to the public so Android devs can have at it. Talk about going from one extreme to the other.....lol
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technically it doesnt say they are now susceptible. there is a patent that was published for them to have the ability to do this. There are still a plethora of legal issues i ma sure they would have to figure out.
It honestly doesnt surprise me i will never under stand the general sheep attitude that if you put an I in front of it and it has a fruit logo it must be good. Most apple products i think are a joke at the very least and highly over rated pos at best.
I do like mac computers but all there mobile devices could go away and i wouldn't shed a tear.
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Right. From what I understand, nothing has been stated or written that implies remote wiping of jailbroken devices. From what I can tell, the patent is for the capabilities to implement security measures at the rightful owner's command.
I don't understand the "sheep attitude" either, but I won't go as far as you... The iPhone is a pretty great device, but my Evo with King's BFS #5 Kernel and EViO runs circles around it in every way.
iPhone is still a general consumer device, in my opinion. Professionals, and more tech savvy people should recognize that it is inferior to several of the Android options (Evo, Nexus One, Droid Incredible, Droid X, Epic....) Everybody I know who bought an iPhone 4 calls it "iPhone 4G". That, in itself, tells me everything I need to know about how much they actually know about mobile technology.
I love my ipod touch... D:
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New name for this iPhone "feature."
Its not MALWARE, its Traitorware. Because it bricks your hard earned phone.
wait a minute. that new iphone "thing" is going to check heartbeats?? what if i have to take a call mid-coitus and my heartbeat is(obviously) irregular. is apple going to wipe the phone???
i hate apple.
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I won't go as far as you... The iPhone is a pretty great device, but my Evo with King's BFS #5 Kernel and EViO runs circles around it in every way.
iPhone is still a general consumer device, in my opinion. Professionals, and more tech savvy people should recognize that it is inferior to several of the Android options (Evo, Nexus One, Droid Incredible, Droid X, Epic....) Everybody I know who bought an iPhone 4 calls it "iPhone 4G". That, in itself, tells me everything I need to know about how much they actually know about mobile technology.
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Let me rephrase the hardware itself is not bad. The iphone is not a bad phone. when you put ios4 on it and they force you to go through apple's restricted store and force you to have to use apple approved everything it becomes a crappy device. For ipods as soon as they mention itunes the device fails. apple can take amazing hardware with a solid look and kill it with there crappy software and extremely restricted views on what people should and shouldnt be allowed to do.
you made my arguemtn for me look at what android allows and does, now look at apple when you compare and look at the whole package the iphone fails miserable compared to android phones this is my basis for my opinion of it.
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Let me rephrase the hardware itself is not bad. The iphone is not a bad phone. when you put ios4 on it and they force you to go through apple's restricted store and force you to have to use apple approved everything it becomes a crappy device. For ipods as soon as they mention itunes the device fails. apple can take amazing hardware with a solid look and kill it with there crappy software and extremely restricted views on what people should and shouldnt be allowed to do.
you made my arguemtn for me look at what android allows and does, now look at apple when you compare and look at the whole package the iphone fails miserable compared to android phones this is my basis for my opinion of it.
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I agree. My problem is not with the iPhone itself so much as with the fact that it is made by Apple and therefore is limited to what the Apple allows. The fact that they would even try do something like what is on the article should be enough to deter people from buying their product; whether they intend to jailbreak it or not. However, the Apple fan base is so brain washed by Apple's very own BS, that some of their customers actually believe it is BAD and reverse progress when people jailbreak their phones.
I really don't get it.
Droid X efuse in its TI processor was a very similar thing. Not for all rooting, but roms. Same concept anyway.
When I got my evo, i removed the SIM card from my iphone 3g, downgraded back to 3.1.3 to make it not run like the horrid mess of crap that iOS 4. Then I rejailbroke it and gave it to my girlfriends brother as an ipod so he didnt have to waste money on one.
Which gets me on another rant. if a jailbroken iphone 3g can run multitasking and wallpapers on 3.1.3 flawlessly, why does an iphone 3g run like crap on 4.0 with those things disabled. Seems to me that apple is afraid of the fact that the "hacker community" is SOOO much better at coding than them.
bisby said:
Droid X efuse in its TI processor was a very similar thing. Not for all rooting, but roms. Same concept anyway.
When I got my evo, i removed the SIM card from my iphone 3g, downgraded back to 3.1.3 to make it not run like the horrid mess of crap that iOS 4. Then I rejailbroke it and gave it to my girlfriends brother as an ipod so he didnt have to waste money on one.
Which gets me on another rant. if a jailbroken iphone 3g can run multitasking and wallpapers on 3.1.3 flawlessly, why does an iphone 3g run like crap on 4.0 with those things disabled. Seems to me that apple is afraid of the fact that the "hacker community" is SOOO much better at coding than them.
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Could be mistaken but it wasnt google who implemented Efuse into the Droid X, it was Motorola the phone manufacturer not the software manufacturer. So its not really the same concept seeing apple has total control over its device, while with android the manufacturer is given liberities as well.
They already have an app that will kill the apple kill switch. if you can dream it they will hack it. I agree the Iphone hardware is nice.. they make both hardware and software, it's deserves praise but that's it. back to the Evo world.
I overheard a dude at work who is looking to get his first smartphone (on AT&T)that he was probably going to give-in and get an iPhone.
I asked him why he wanted the iPhone and he said because no other phone out there can touch it from his impression.
I asked him what it had that other phones out there didn't have and he obviously didn't do his homework yet, though he still had already developed the "desire" to get the iPhone. I know it's because of advertising, but the real thing was I couldn't nail down exactly why an Android phone would be better, or even what phone would trump it on AT&T...
The Captivate doesn't have a front facing camera which I believe is kind of necessary to really stack up against Apple's phone.
Anyone have any simple advice I can give this guy to stay away from Apple? He is obviously not that smart on phones, so I know he is adverse to custom ROMS unless I can convince him otherwise. Thanks.
Let him get what he wants unless you wanna have to hear him complain when he can't figure this or that out or if this app is not available. Less stress for you down the line. To each his own.
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True, android only better if you give it a chance and willing to play around.
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If he really wants the iPhone, he should get the iPhone.
If he isn't really sure what he wants, I would suggest that he go to the store and try out different phones in person. Sometimes a phone isn't what you expect when you finally get to play with it.
Also, I think if you're going to upgrade, make sure there are at least 2 phones you're interested in. In case you hate your first choice, you can take it back during the return period and exchange it for your second choice.
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If he really wants the iPhone, he should get the iPhone.
If he isn't really sure what he wants, I would suggest that he go to the store and try out different phones in person. Sometimes a phone isn't what you expect when you finally get to play with it.
Also, I think if you're going to upgrade, make sure there are at least 2 phones you're interested in. In case you hate your first choice, you can take it back during the return period and exchange it for your second choice.
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Thanks, good advice.
I would only try and direct him away from locking in on a contract on an iPhone that's been out 6+ months when the next iPhone is right around the corner. May as well lock in on a brand new device to get the most out of it.
He should get the iPhone. It's a great phone and perfect for people who dont know how or dont care to modify their phone.
I prefer my Vibrant and wouldnt trade it for an iPhone 4G, but thats me, and I understand that for most people out there an iPhone is better, even if only because it makes them feel good to have the fashionable bling. To each his own.
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Agree with the poster above. Convince him to wait a few months for the next iPhone.
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Let him get what he wants unless you wanna have to hear him complain when he can't figure this or that out or if this app is not available. Less stress for you down the line. To each his own.
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That is the best advise possible. My coworker fell in love with my vibrant and wanted the equivalent on verizon. Since then every day there is new questions. I like helping people, but not a single day goes by wiouth something new to ask me. Be prepared for that.
I would let him know about a little phone coming out next week-ish called the Motorola Atrix w/ its dual-core awesomeness. Otherwise let him follow the cult of jobs.
I think the op just really wants to show him that there are other phones out there just as good as the iphone.
I know a co-worker of mine felt the same way and after talking with him he has now decided to go with the htc thunderbolt.
I agree with everyone else its just insane to go with a old phone when I new one is just around the corner. I swear if the 2g was still out everyone would still buy that
Thunder bolt!
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its very simple and others might not like my thought process but..
iphone is for simple minded sheep, android is for smart people.
if he has his heart set on an iphone, do not try and convince him, because if you make all these arguments of android being greater (and since he does not know his way around a phone), he is going to get a captivate, probably with android 2.1 + lag + gps problems + w/e other problems it came with, and i doubt he would know how to flash a new rom etc.
Then you will be 'that bastard that convinced me to throw away $200 plus my upgrade', and then one day he will climb up you window with a chainsaw (or machete if he is not that strong) and ....
Im not going to lie but the iphone is a pretty powerful machine. Dont hold me to this but i have heard that the processor is underclocked to 1 ghz to save battery..
But the os is so locked down which makes it better in some ways and worse in others.. if you havent noticed, the iphone sets the standard for smartphones, its always "well it compares to.the iphone this.... iphone that..." .
Apple does their research right and always sets the bar for smartphones. The reason it is not customizable is so that everything will work correctly. I personally don't prefer that I can't change anything (without jailbreaking of course, which is a pain in the ass) .
I kind of have the best of both worlds with an ipod touch 4g. Its very very fast and has excellent battery life but its just so boring..
So if he's not tech savvy then tell him to wait for the next iphone. However if he is lol tell him to wait for the samsung galaxy s 2.
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Ios is so ugly compared to what we have with android. It is so busy. I never noticed until I got used to android, but now when I see someone using an iphone I can't help but think that the screen is annoyingly crammed full of icons. Who wants to look at all that junk?
Also the screen is noticably smaller
To me a 4" android screen is infinitely more plesant to use.
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So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
The iPhone 4 is definitely an awesome piece of hardware. I say go for it and if you get tired of that come back to android.
You will miss Android keyboards. I'm sure of that!
I've actually been thinking about the same thing. My buddy just got the iPhone 4and it's a nice phone.
Now the Incredible is my 1st smart phone and I've had it since pre-order. I rooted as soon as it became available and have been flashing ever since. I really love Android, but agree with some of the things you've discussed in the OP.
I still have till Christmas before I am eligible for an upgrade, so I have plenty of time to contemplate my decision.
kriskmk said:
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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My recommendation would be at least to wait for the iPhone 5. There would be no point in downgrading to a smaller screen.
Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
The only point I would disagree with is the camera/camcorder. My girlfriend has an iPhone 4, and her pictures and video do not turn out nearly as well as those from my Droid Incredible. Removing any subjective analysis, the iPhone only has a 5MP sensor compared to the Incredible's 8MP.
That said, Nokia has put out phones with much better cameras than either.
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I say you go ahead and give it a go. I've played with a few iPhone 4's and they are quality pieces and very smooth. As long as you stay with Verizon, you can always return it within that 30-day period if you are unhappy with it (of course you have topay a restocking fee though).
I just can't get over the fact that everwhere you go you see someone with the same phone. I personally tend to go against the norm. I not very well acquainted with the customization of the iPhones but I have heard it's on par with what we have going with Android.
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Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
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A leaked Verizon document stated differently. Also that doesn't seem to fit Apple's release patterns? Just saying.
I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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more control and customizable options I would go with Android.
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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Yea, I am all for customizations and like I said..I tweaked the heck out of it.. but the downside of constantly customizing is you gotta keep up with revisions, market updates, bugs etc... and pretty soon ...though the pleasure of tweaking is always there.. there is a setback to the user experience.
The one thing that I think (at this point) that I absolutely need is Widgets. Don't have that on an iphone.. and don't know if that is something I can live without.
I also came from IOS (albiet an iPod Touch). The only thing I say it beats android in is text selection. I can do everything in 1/5th the time it took me on iOS. I was VERY skeptical of Android and preferred an iPhone a year ago on Vzw. I was actually WAITING on it. I'm so glad it came this year instead of last. Now, I have absolutely ZERO desire to be sucked back into the problem that is Apple and their godlike stance over their customers.
Take that for what its worth I guess. I also have a Mac and used to love it. But after multiple times of it burning several hours of my weekend for simple things a PC did better and for free, I've become an avid "hater" of Apple (and I don't say that about many companies). They overprice everything, but they know their uses will blindly go and shell out money. Take music downloads -- iTunes may be easier to use than Amazon MP3 (before CloudDrive), but I've saved so much money over the years switching to Amazon. Lets not even go into their overrated hardware or the times where they can provide a feature but don't so they can add it in a year to make just one more money. Our Dinc's may not be top dog anymore, but at least the hardware is good enough to push us into next year and beyond.
Speaking of beyond... I'm thinking about making a security came out of Dinc when I get another phone. hehe
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I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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I couldn't imagine a life without Android inspite all of my complaints...it'd been a love affair for the past 1 year..I do have an Ipad..which is a giant iphone without the phone...
So I bought a thunderbolt today with my employee discount.
.after swapping contracts with my wife.... for about 150 bucks.. and boy do I love it!.. I thought the display would not be as good as the droid incredible... but trust me it's a lot better...and a 1550 quadrant score out the box! I guess it's time to switch communities.... thanks for everything guys.
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So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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I figured I'd get at least one. Ha!
In my opinion, stick with the Android. I just had an upgrade from Verizon and I figured what the heck, let me see what all this iPhone hype is all about. Well, after my first full day with the iPhone, the only thing I can find that the iPhone has over my Incredible, is the battery life. Gmail wouldn't push unless I used a workaround, you can't hide the keyboard, no separate volume controls for the ringer, email, and text, there is no back button to go back to an app you may have left, no trackball, no weather widget with clock, I sent a ringtone that I made through MMS and there is no option to save as ringtone,you can't share youtube videos through sms-only through email, and you are tied to stupid iTunes when adding pictures and media. Like I said, the ONLY reason I am keeping this iPhone, is for the battery life. When the Droid commercial says "Droid Does", they are telling the truth. I NEVER came across anything I tried on that phone that didn't do what I needed from it. Again, these are my opinions and I'm sure an iPhone fanboy will argue my points.
As many others, I too have extensive experience using both OSs daily.
Android makes a more usable phone. iOS makes a better tablet.
I own a Tablet, Netbook, Windows & Ubuntu Laptops, and Servers; but I've never owned a SmartPhone. Now that I may finally be upgrading my Verizon Plan, I need guidance.
Asking which is the best SmartPhone out there is very a very subjective and possibly contentious discussion, and if you have a hands-down favorite I want to hear about it, but more importantly I want to know which of the current VZW offerings to avoid. I figure that will be a better way to narrow the field and make my choice.
Thanks in advance,
ALF
hey. Not sure.
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I own a Tablet, Netbook, Windows & Ubuntu Laptops, and Servers; but I've never owned a SmartPhone. Now that I may finally be upgrading my Verizon Plan, I need guidance.
Asking which is the best SmartPhone out there is very a very subjective and possibly contentious discussion, and if you have a hands-down favorite I want to hear about it, but more importantly I want to know which of the current VZW offerings to avoid. I figure that will be a better way to narrow the field and make my choice.
Thanks in advance,
ALF
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First off it depends on what you want to do with the phone. there is never one clear cut winner. if you are looking to root, mod, flash and such. you may be interested in a completely different phone then someone looking to maximize random features and such.
my vote. you can never go wrong with a nexus. easy to unlock. root. flash. have long-term support. always a great choice. i have one. love it.
Verizon carries a lot of motorola phones. they tend to have good build quality, and lots of factory features. but be warned some are a headache to work with, and moto can be a real pain about unlocking bootloaders and such. im not down-talking moto in anyway, i have an atrix too and love it. just letting you know.
again there is not "best phone" there is a new great phone out every day. look around. read some reviews. and remember if you really cant decide. nexus is the best of ALL worlds. just remember to do some reading up on what the limitations are before you buy.
hope this can help a little.
AFarenci said:
I own a Tablet, Netbook, Windows & Ubuntu Laptops, and Servers; but I've never owned a SmartPhone. Now that I may finally be upgrading my Verizon Plan, I need guidance.
Asking which is the best SmartPhone out there is very a very subjective and possibly contentious discussion, and if you have a hands-down favorite I want to hear about it, but more importantly I want to know which of the current VZW offerings to avoid. I figure that will be a better way to narrow the field and make my choice.
Thanks in advance,
ALF
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That's a tough one because, as you mentioned, it's a very subjective issue with most people. You have a diverse set of other devices so my first question would have to deal with how badly do you need your smartphone to interact with them. What OS is on your tablet and netbook. If they're both Android I would recommend you stay with Verizon's Droid line. If they're Windows I would heavily recommend that you look at Windows Phone, namely the Trophy on Verizon. Don't get caught up in the whole "specs" conversation, go to a Verizon store and actually work the phone. Is it intuitive? Does it lag more than you would care for? How are the buttons, keyboards, etc. If this is your first smartphone I would definitely suggest you consider the "feel" of the phone and the menus, layout & screen. On another note, if you don't feel comfortable with any of their offerings, buy a good used one on ebay or Craigslist and put it on your contract. It'll be much less sour than to have to spend the next two years with a phone you hate to even look at. Hope this helps.
Once you have used the HTC EVO 3D camera you will never look at another phone again! when i take photos of my family and kids in 3d the photos just amaze me every time. when i switch to 2d and take photos the pictures are still very clear but just boring. i actually only take 3d photos now as you can edit the photo later and create a 2d copy from it. it also scored an impressive 2800 points in quadrant on a ics leak stock kernel!! im running myn without sense and it starts up only using 300mb of ram. there's 1gb ram!!!!
Well, these days I'd say the One X or Sammy Galaxy the 3rd ;o)
But the iPhone is not a dumbphone either, no? (I feel I'll get hell for this...)
I totally agree it's a complex question.
As mentioned before.try to summarize what you're going to do with it and which functions and feature are a must for you.
Keep us up on what you got in the end.
Cheers and good hunting
Thanks for all the input so far. To answer some of the questions:
I don't think I need the phone to interact with my tablet or netbook.
My tablet is a rooted ViewSonic G-Tablet with Flashback ROM
My netbook is WinXP with Ubuntu bootable from usb-stick.
If you could please wait until the end of this summer. There are a lot of great devices that are going to be released.
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If you could please wait until the end of this summer. There are a lot of great devices that are going to be released.
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This. There are great offerings coming from Sony, LG, and others before the end of the summer. You're definitely best off waiting to see what comes, and if nothing new catches your eye you'll still get an even better price on older devices once the new crop hits.
There are many good smartphones,
many others will suggest iphone 4s or 5, or SIII, but a good model in stores now is Sony Xperia S.
Oh hell yes, the Xperia S is pretty good.
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That's a tough one because, as you mentioned, it's a very subjective issue with most people. You have a diverse set of other devices so my first question would have to deal with how badly do you need your smartphone to interact with them. What OS is on your tablet and netbook. If they're both Android I would recommend you stay with Verizon's Droid line. If they're Windows I would heavily recommend that you look at Windows Phone, namely the Trophy on Verizon. Don't get caught up in the whole "specs" conversation, go to a Verizon store and actually work the phone. Is it intuitive? Does it lag more than you would care for? How are the buttons, keyboards, etc. If this is your first smartphone I would definitely suggest you consider the "feel" of the phone and the menus, layout & screen. On another note, if you don't feel comfortable with any of their offerings, buy a good used one on ebay or Craigslist and put it on your contract. It'll be much less sour than to have to spend the next two years with a phone you hate to even look at. Hope this helps.
Well it looks like I'll be putting off my quest for the perfect phone for another time.
When I said I've never had a SmartPhone, that wasn't exactly true. Collecting dust in my draw for years, I've had a Mogul PPC-6800. Problem was I could never get Verizon to connect it without a data plan. They just relented and I now have it activated (with no data). Of course now that I'm using it, I'm too blind to read the damn screen.
back when I first got the Mogul, however many years ago that was, all I wanted was a PIM to replace my Palm Pilot and to be able to make Skype calls from wifi hot-spots.
Just wait for the galaxy g3 or just buy the galaxy nexus. My friend who never had a smartphone but he picked it up (gnexus) easy and now he using use all the features. If ur really really dumb, there is the iphone
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HTC rezound
if you are on verizon you should go with the htc rezound.
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That's a tough one because, as you mentioned, it's a very subjective issue with most people. You have a diverse set of other devices so my first question would have to deal with how badly do you need your smartphone to interact with them. What OS is on your tablet and netbook. If they're both Android I would recommend you stay with Verizon's Droid line. If they're Windows I would heavily recommend that you look at Windows Phone, namely the Trophy on Verizon. Don't get caught up in the whole "specs" conversation, go to a Verizon store and actually work the phone. Is it intuitive? Does it lag more than you would care for? How are the buttons, keyboards, etc. If this is your first smartphone I would definitely suggest you consider the "feel" of the phone and the menus, layout & screen. On another note, if you don't feel comfortable with any of their offerings, buy a good used one on ebay or Craigslist and put it on your contract. It'll be much less sour than to have to spend the next two years with a phone you hate to even look at. Hope this helps.
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I would appreciate it if you didn't copy & paste my posts and try to pass it off as "my idea". Not cool.
a google phone like the galaxy nexus will give you the best android experience since it gets its updates directly from the carriers.
unfortunately verizon hasnt updated their cdma version of the galaxy nexus since it was launched in 2011.
i like iphone 4s - 5 very like it ...
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i like iphone 4s - 5 very like it ...
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IPhone 4s and the iPhone 5 are very different
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