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The nexus s and ice cream.

Calm down kids. Before you go nuts this post is for pure speculation of the nexus s and how it will perform with ice cream sammich. Now that the next major update will support full hardware acceleration (..finally) I'm wondering what I call the king of the single core world will perform like. I feel like once it drops we will finally see what the hummingbird+vr540 combo can fully achieve. I'm excited. Hopefully Google won't screw us over and keep ice cream from us to glorify the nexus prime.
Cheers.
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No worries you'll have ICS by Q2/12. On hte other hand Google said that one of the main features (yet UNannounced) will not be in ICS, maybe it's hardware accelleration.

Actually we will have ics the moment the source is released. (As long as android repos are back up by then!)
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I do hope you arw right, i really love google and that is the reason i just bought ns. If we dont get ics i will smash my ns as i did with my iphone.
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p.pavljasevic said:
I do hope you arw right, i really love google and that is the reason i just bought ns. If we dont get ics i will smash my ns as i did with my iphone.
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Don't do that! You could just fedex it to me instead. Lol

p.pavljasevic said:
If we dont get ics i will smash my ns as i did with my iphone.
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As much as I detest Apple, I would never destroy any of their products. One less phone on the market -> one more customer in their stores -> more money in their pockets.
Sell it on eBay, that way you get money, and they don't.

shrivelfig said:
As much as I detest Apple, I would never destroy any of their products. One less phone on the market -> one more customer in their stores -> more money in their pockets.
Sell it on eBay, that way you get money, and they don't.
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(Hint: they already got hte money for that device)

I just couldnt be that cruel to the next owner, iphone just sucks. Ns is way better. But one good thing is to be said about apple products and thats their long update support for older phones. Hope google does thesame.
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p.pavljasevic said:
But one good thing is to be said about apple products and thats their long update support for older phones. Hope google does thesame.
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Yeah like IOS4 on the 3G... whats for sure is that Apple is not good at taking care of even 2 year old phones and they do a good job of making the old phone look like crap when they release a new one.
In my opinion in reality it's quite the contrary of what you claim.
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2y = out of warranty worldwide, I'd not support those phones either.

Lol iPhones
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Nutsonfire said:
Yeah like IOS4 on the 3G... whats for sure is that Apple is not good at taking care of even 2 year old phones and they do a good job of making the old phone look like crap when they release a new one.
In my opinion in reality it's quite the contrary of what you claim.
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At least the 3G got ios4, oké its slow but at least its up to date security wise. I wanna see htc or samsung do that to 3 year old phones.
Dont get me wrong, i trully dislike Apple but they do stick to iphone updates.
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p.pavljasevic said:
At least the 3G got ios4, oké its slow but at least its up to date security wise. I wanna see htc or samsung do that to 3 year old phones.
Dont get me wrong, i trully dislike Apple but they do stick to iphone updates.
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They only do so to cripple older iPhones so the new one seems that much better to the isheep. Think about it. The 3gs and the i4 rock the same gpu and 200mhz difference clock speed on the cpus. Yet ios 4 runs like crap on the 3gs. The os still doesnt support true multitasking so what is really slowing down the 3gs compared to the i4. Some missing features and what I think is imposed sluggishness make the phone look that much worse to the i4. I had a 3gs. I was part if the iherd until I got fed up and got my epic. ****, I bet the hero can run ios 4 damn well.
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Haha. I was an isheep and followed the iherd everywhere they went. Then I became curious and saw saw the nexus for free. I said "what have I got to lose? It's free and if I don't like it I have 30 days to return it" well I'm just mad that I didn't have the strength to break from the iherd sooner. Lol!!! I still have a Mac and and an iPad. I'm happy with my mac, however I'm trying to save money to get the tab.
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RushAOZ said:
****, I bet the hero can run ios 4 damn well.
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Ouch! The hero was one bad mofo for what it was!
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RushAOZ said:
They only do so to cripple older iPhones so the new one seems that much better to the isheep. Think about it. The 3gs and the i4 rock the same gpu and 200mhz difference clock speed on the cpus. Yet ios 4 runs like crap on the 3gs. The os still doesnt support true multitasking so what is really slowing down the 3gs compared to the i4. Some missing features and what I think is imposed sluggishness make the phone look that much worse to the i4. I had a 3gs. I was part if the iherd until I got fed up and got my epic. ****, I bet the hero can run ios 4 damn well.
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iPhone 4 has more RAM. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out why it's noticeably faster.

ZeroCool84 said:
iPhone 4 has more RAM. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out why it's noticeably faster.
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Clock for clock the iPhone 4's processor blows away the 3GS
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How did this become a iPhone discussion lol.
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If ICS doesn't support hardware acceleration then I dont know what to say. Seriously, I have been waiting for that since the HTC DREAM...
Having a relatively lag free experience on the superphones should be a top priority.

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iPhone 4 has more RAM. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out why it's noticeably faster.
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More ram and a faster processor isn't a reasonable explanation as to why ios doesn't run well enough on the 3gs when Ios is very simple and isn't CPU intensive. Maybe whole running certain apps yes. But trust me when I tell you the 3gs was good enough to run ios 4 with no issues whatsoever.
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Galaxy S2, not iPhone, wins 2011 smartphone award

The public have spoken and the Samsung Galaxy S II cleans up, ive already notified my "iClone" friends who still insist they have the best phone ever made
http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/Mobile+Choice+Consumer+Awards+2011+-+Winners/6206

Galaxy S2, not iPhone, wins 2011 smartphone award
At the fifth annual T3 Awards show, it was Samsung's Galaxy S II, not Apple's iPhone 4, that was voted as the top smartphone of the year.
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now this is sweet news for the morning breakfast

Yeah..amazing... "My **** is bigger than yours".
Who cares, and yes, I own a S2. I'm happy with it, it's all that matters.

It certainly is! Bet that has pissed on Apples fireworks!
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There's no point making wars. I've used both platforms, both of them have pros and cons, I prefer android, but it doesn't mean I have to hate Apple.

I really do not care. I want an iPhone.

AllGamer said:
Galaxy S2, not iPhone, wins 2011 smartphone award
now this is sweet news for the morning breakfast
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already posted this morning
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1298133

thanks merged

Isn't the iPhone 4 a 2010 phone? Why would it win the award in 2011?
Looking at the awards from last year it didn't win phone of the year then either the HTC Desire did. It did win Gadget of the year 2010 though.

Both are excellent phones, good thing we have a choice, I'm looking to add the iPhone 4S as a second phone.

BEST CAMERA PHONE: Samsung Galaxy S II
Shortlisted: Nokia N8, Apple iPhone 4 and Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc
Galaxy SII's camera beats N8's?

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BEST CAMERA PHONE: Samsung Galaxy S II
Shortlisted: Nokia N8, Apple iPhone 4 and Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc
Galaxy SII's camera beats N8's?
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Never is the GS2 better than the N8's lol. Happy it won its a good phone. Iphone 4s will beat it and the note. Nexus prime will give iphone 4s a good run for its money.
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Kinda sad we have to find victory in something like this.

Of course the SGS2 is the best all around camera smarphone because it makes much better videos then the N8 and it's takes picture on pair with the N8,some even think it makes better photos.

Owned iphone 4 for one year and SGS2 since release. The crapple device does way better Photos.
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slind said:
Owned iphone 4 for one year and SGS2 since release. The crapple device does way better Photos.
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Well that's not my experience of the SG2 camera.
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marcadam said:
Well that's not my experience of the SG2 camera.
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Agreed, my buddy's iPhone4 takes horrible pictures next to my SGS2...

nraudigy2 said:
BEST CAMERA PHONE: Samsung Galaxy S II
Shortlisted: Nokia N8, Apple iPhone 4 and Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc
Galaxy SII's camera beats N8's?
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This is bull****! N8´s camera is Carl Zeis Lens, zenon flash bulb and 12mp.
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Remix2011 said:
Of course the SGS2 is the best all around camera smarphone because it makes much better videos then the N8 and it's takes picture on pair with the N8,some even think it makes better photos.
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Lol true made me lol
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I don't know how the N8 shoots videos, but I'm pretty sure the still pictures are better than what our SGS2 can create.

Galaxy S3 outselling iPhone since Apple's win

Looks like since Apple win the suit against Samsung, stores are reported the SGS3 out selling the iPhone and selling out completely.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/08/31/samsung-galaxy-s3-vanishes-jelly-bean-in-sept/
Looks like a win for Samsung.
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CuBz90 said:
Looks like since Apple win the suit against Samsung, stores are reported the SGS3 out selling the iPhone and selling out completely.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/08/31/samsung-galaxy-s3-vanishes-jelly-bean-in-sept/
Looks like a win for Samsung.
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Was bound to happen, together let's give Samsung $1bn and loose apple $1bn then the court verdict gave apple nothing
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I phone sales usually slow down just before they launch a new one. Don't worry, people will be lined up for to get their hands on the latest minor upgrade from apple.
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hansonator said:
I phone sales usually slow down just before they launch a new one. Don't worry, people will be lined up for to get their hands on the latest minor upgrade from apple.
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I expected that the iPhone 5 would sell extremely well, but after the law suit I don't think they'll sell as well as they would have if the law suit didn't happen. My prediction is that they'll sell a lot at first but will not do as well as the 4S has.
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Well for the first time ever, I won't be getting Apple's latest iPhone. Simply can't see knowing Apple's past minor upgrades that iPhone 5 will beat my galaxy s3.

It's because iPhone 5 is about to be released.
When iPhone 5 gets released, it'll probably sell more in its first weekend than SGS3 did all the time since its release.

thyttel said:
Well for the first time ever, I won't be getting Apple's latest iPhone. Simply can't see knowing Apple's past minor upgrades that iPhone 5 will beat my galaxy s3.
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My gf is an iPhone user.. has been for a couple of years. No matter what I say
This October when i5 drops we were planning on getting it (for her) but not anymore.. I've always bought the phones but refuse to buy an apple product after the latest bs from that company. Now adding S3 to the list of wanted banned phones. I'm sorry but the S3 experience or even android experience is nothing like that of iOS.
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aydc said:
It's because iPhone 5 is about to be released.
When iPhone 5 gets released, it'll probably sell more in its first weekend than SGS3 did all the time since its release.
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LOL!
Fanboy? :thumbdown:
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Now thats what am talking about!!!
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aydc said:
When iPhone 5 gets released, it'll probably sell more in its first weekend than SGS3 did all the time since its release.
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Don't kid yourself.. the S2 outsold the iPhone.
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The iSheep are blind to anything anti-Apple so the iPhone 5 is still gonna sell by the butt load and they gonna act like Jesus himself designed the latest wallet raper.

Coreym said:
Don't kid yourself.. the S2 outsold the iPhone.
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I don't know what you're smoking, but I want one too.
Samsung may outsell Apple, because they are selling very low quality cheap Android phones too. These phones naturally sell more than Apple phones, since Apple only makes premium phones.
On the premium market however, nothing outsells iPhone. Just get out of your house once, sunlight won't hurt you I promise. Look at the phones in people's hands. How many iPhones do you see, and how many SGS2's and SGS3's do you see?

Coreym said:
My gf is an iPhone user.. has been for a couple of years. No matter what I say
This October when i5 drops we were planning on getting it (for her) but not anymore.. I've always bought the phones but refuse to buy an apple product after the latest bs from that company. Now adding S3 to the list of wanted banned phones. I'm sorry but the S3 experience or even android experience is nothing like that of iOS.
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And that's where I now disagree. With jelly bean iOS user experience is no longer superior.

People, dont feed the troll. He is fat enough
aydc said:
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want one too.
Samsung may outsell Apple, because they are selling very low quality cheap Android phones too. These phones naturally sell more than Apple phones, since Apple only makes premium phones.
On the premium market however, nothing outsells iPhone. Just get out of your house once, sunlight won't hurt you I promise. Look at the phones in people's hands. How many iPhones do you see, and how many SGS2's and SGS3's do you see?
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Coreym said:
My gf is an iPhone user.. has been for a couple of years. No matter what I say
This October when i5 drops we were planning on getting it (for her) but not anymore.. I've always bought the phones but refuse to buy an apple product after the latest bs from that company. Now adding S3 to the list of wanted banned phones. I'm sorry but the S3 experience or even android experience is nothing like that of iOS.
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That's Ok no all of us can open the door once led to it. Android = full customization.. iOS = some company telling u the user your effin stupid and we know how you want your phone better then u do.... so how does that make my user experience better???
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aydc said:
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want one too.
Samsung may outsell Apple, because they are selling very low quality cheap Android phones too. These phones naturally sell more than Apple phones, since Apple only makes premium phones.
On the premium market however, nothing outsells iPhone. Just get out of your house once, sunlight won't hurt you I promise. Look at the phones in people's hands. How many iPhones do you see, and how many SGS2's and SGS3's do you see?
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You're probably from America, in Austria you see already more s3 than iphones (without counting s2 or other high-end android devices from other vendors).
Edit: small addition about premium. It's pretty easy to call it premium while it's the only ios device and there are no lower or higher spec devices to directly compare with.
But most of the time when you compare it spec wise to an android device released at almost the same time it (the iphone) settles more at mid to lower high-end range device than premium.
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Tectas said:
You're probably from America, in Austria you see already more s3 than iphones (without counting s2 or other high end android devices from other vendors).
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To be honest I've seen people use much more S3's than iPhones the past couple of months, and I'm in the UK.
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aydc said:
It's because iPhone 5 is about to be released.
When iPhone 5 gets released, it'll probably sell more in its first weekend than SGS3 did all the time since its release.
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I very much doubt that,|in fact there is no chance of that happening.
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aydc said:
I don't know what you're smoking, but I want one too.
Samsung may outsell Apple, because they are selling very low quality cheap Android phones too. These phones naturally sell more than Apple phones, since Apple only makes premium phones.
On the premium market however, nothing outsells iPhone. Just get out of your house once, sunlight won't hurt you I promise. Look at the phones in people's hands. How many iPhones do you see, and how many SGS2's and SGS3's do you see?
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It's funny you say that actually, im using public transport (for now unfortunately) to and from work Monday to Friday and in recent months ive noticed a lot more people are using Samsung phones as opposed to the iPhone, previously i used to see primarily iPhones but this is no longer the case, sure you'll still see people with them but not nearly as much as used to be the case last year.

jonny68 said:
I very much doubt that,|in fact there is no chance of that happening.
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It's funny you say that actually, im using public transport (for now unfortunately) to and from work Monday to Friday and in recent months ive noticed a lot more people are using Samsung phones as opposed to the iPhone, previously i used to see primarily iPhones but this is no longer the case, sure you'll still see people with them but not nearly as much as used to be the case last year.
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One thing I've noticed is people don't make such a big deal out of having an iPhone anymore, or what I like to call the iPhone dance... Where they take the iPhone out their pocket in a crowd and make sure everyone sees that they have one.
So it looks like the shine's been wearing off the Apple lately.

thyttel said:
And that's where I now disagree. With jelly bean iOS user experience is no longer superior.
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da-pharoah said:
That's Ok no all of us can open the door once led to it. Android = full customization.. iOS = some company telling u the user your effin stupid and we know how you want your phone better then u do.... so how does that make my user experience better???
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Maybe it's just me but I actually thought coreym was actually saying he prefers the android experience over ios.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 2 vs iPhone 5

A specs comparison between two flagship devices!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_WJ03aFys0&feature=plcp

... A 13 year old that stutters does not do a great review
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LordRalh3 said:
... A 13 year old that stutters does not do a great review
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Hahaha, this is the little kid on youtube.

anyone got a chart to compare the 2 devices?

entwicklun said:
anyone got a chart to compare the 2 devices?
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On GSMarena you can.

I have almost made up my mind to get the iPhone 5, however just remains one last obstacle to overcome, my wife, as an iPhone user herself she thinks that its too small for me and that the original Note which I had fitted me better! ! .
Anyway we shall see once both are released.
Here is a side by side size comparison:
http://versusio.com/en/apple-iphone-5-64gb-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2

I stopped reading that link you posted because it looks like a 13 year old made this comparing page:
Has a built-in HDR mode Yes vs No It can automatically shoot pictures with an higher dynamic range (HDR)
ummm who cares? get an app on the note 2??? the list goes on like this, it should be renamed to stupid reasons for someone to buy the iphone 5.
I mean, scroll down more and you see manual ios lol....

why is everyone comparing to the iPhone still? while they may sell the most due to people either being invested in ios or for cult like reasons, i really don't see them as the standard anymore. comparison is great for specs but i'm just tired of everyone regarding the iPhone as the standard. Iphone 5 is already getting very ****ty compliments from experts.
We will see iphone 5 will be major flop. that time apple will know peoples are not fools now that time has gone when peoples became idiots from the name of apple.
And I am wondering where is those 200 changes are in ios 6

You've got to be kidding..major flop? The IPhone 5 will sell 25% more units than any release of any smartphones in history.....between now and Dec30 the IPhone will sell more than every Samsung phone COMBINED.
(trust me!)
UOTE=Nishu_gamer;31629212]why is everyone comparing to the iPhone still? while they may sell the most due to people either being invested in ios or for cult like reasons, i really don't see them as the standard anymore. comparison is great for specs but i'm just tired of everyone regarding the iPhone as the standard. Iphone 5 is already getting very ****ty compliments from experts.
We will see iphone 5 will be major flop. that time apple will know peoples are not fools now that time has gone when peoples became idiots from the name of apple.
And I am wondering where is those 200 changes are in ios 6[/QUOTE]

rockky said:
You've got to be kidding..major flop? The IPhone 5 will sell 25% more units than any release of any smartphones in history.....between now and Dec30 the IPhone will sell more than every Samsung phone COMBINED.
(trust me!)
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I hope your not being serious because if you are, you probably have no idea what the scope of any manufacturer sales numbers actually are. The ip5 will sell a lot, but you are extremely exaggerating, which makes you seem a little moronic.
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rockky said:
You've got to be kidding..major flop? The IPhone 5 will sell 25% more units than any release of any smartphones in history.....between now and Dec30 the IPhone will sell more than every Samsung phone COMBINED.
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Do you know that around the world android has 60% market share and samsung has 60% of that? Even in us android its more successful than ios... You have no idea of what your talking about
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rockky said:
You've got to be kidding..major flop? The IPhone 5 will sell 25% more units than any release of any smartphones in history.....between now and Dec30 the IPhone will sell more than every Samsung phone COMBINED.
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Again u understood wrong it mate ...this is not about sales ..this is how many buyers are happy after buy iphone 5 ..just compare them with galaxy s3 users after 2 months
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msedek said:
Do you know that around the world android has 60% market share and samsung has 60% of that? Even in us android its more successful than ios... You have no idea of what your talking about
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Nishu_gamer said:
Again u understood wrong it mate ...this is not about sales ..this is how many buyers are happy after buy iphone 5 ..just compare them with galaxy s3 users after 2 months
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I like my s3!
I think Apple exaggerates on their product...like it's 4 inch with lte
Mine is 4.8! With lte
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I don't understand why are you people even argue about whether iPhone5 will sell more or less. It's not like Apple will just shortly release the number. (not unless it benefit Apple) And quite frankly, I think it's kinda stupid comparing iPhone 5 to Note 2. Clearly iPhone 5 was aiming to go after GS3. Seem like Apple is a bit running behind S3. Also, the comparison doesn't even mention the use of Stylus on the Note 2, which one another main feature other than large screen.

To argue with that, iPhone 5 aims to be better than 4S. As far as I can see, only Samsung puts up ads comparing its phones to apple's.(I stand corrected if you show me an apple ad that directly makes fun of Samsung). iPhone 5 shouldn't be compared even to the SGS3, I think it's time iphone and android are considered different products for different people(sgs3 is significantly larger than any iPhone, some people might not like that). Others like me are quite deep in the whole iOS ecosystem. I have a lot of apps I use daily for both OS's but my time on iOS might make me miss some stuff. The thing keeping me motivated for Note 2 right now is the memory of how awesome videos were on the GNex, I can only imagine a proper screen the size of my palm playing a video.

freemini said:
As far as I can see, only Samsung puts up ads comparing its phones to apple's.(I stand corrected if you show me an apple ad that directly makes fun of Samsung).
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No, Apple just sues and takes money directly from Samsung instead of letting their device sales speak for the quality, haha. Although, I think during the iPhone keynote they did take a few jabs at android devices. I agree with you, though. I really don't see the two devices in the same class. Me and my girlfriend are both due for upgrades. I'm getting the note 2 and shes getting the iPhone 5. We both use our devices very differently and I'm sure we will both be happy with our new phones.

rockky said:
You've got to be kidding..major flop? The IPhone 5 will sell 25% more units than any release of any smartphones in history.....between now and Dec30 the IPhone will sell more than every Samsung phone COMBINED.
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you must not know that the GSIII outsold the iPhone 4s .. i'm pretty sure it'll outsell the 5, and the Note might too since its on all major carriers like the GSIII. i'm not an Android fanboy, but the iPhone 5 is a lot of hype. they took features we've had for a while now and called it revolutionary. e.g.: panorama shot .. i can do that on my 2 year old Desire Z / G2.

entwicklun said:
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That's obviously fake, since we all know Jedi don't use shield.
HandsomeAssDomo said:
you must not know that the GSIII (only) outsold the iPhone 4s (in August 2012)
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Fixed.

First of all a few of you sound like children. For Android fans who consider themselves "enlightened ones" it's quite comical that you constantly have to take shots at Apple whenever possible. You're posting at an Android haven yet you've just got to take shots just because. Why can't people just grow up and not post like assholes whenever it becomes necessary to make comparisons? Also are you all really arguing about sales? Do you own stock in Apple? Samsung? Are you a part of either of their marketing, engineering dept., or another division of their company where sales will reflect on how well you did your job? No? Then how the hell do sales figures of a single device make a difference in your lives?
Say what you will about Apple, but at least they can pull off a unified launch. The 16, 32, and 64 GB versions will all be out on release. I have no idea how long I'm going to have to twiddle my thumbs to wait for the 64GB note.

Sony is back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWysHOjl95E
What do you guys think? I think its a winner. All Sony's 2012 phones were terrible.

I think it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4...
Edited for helpfulness: Either post things like this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2021559 or in the android general section.
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It doesn't look bad at all. And dust, water resistance is always a plus. But I prefer the N4 with pure android and updates from Google.

It's OK to post this here. We don't have an off-topic forum, or even an off-topic thread, right? Oh wait...

Agreed. This has nothing to do with the Nexus 4. If you're already willing to jump ship, well... Boo.
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Muikkuman said:
It doesn't look bad at all. And dust, water resistance is always a plus. But I prefer the N4 with pure android and updates from Google.
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Yeah, but alot of the CM devs seem to like Xperia phones since Sony actually works closely with them so they have functional source drops, blobs and documentation... Which means that Sony is good enough for people who are interested in their designs.

Non Nexus phone? no thanks.
Here are the key specs for the Xperia Z:
1.5 GHz Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core processor
1080p HD 5-inch display
Android 4.1
4G/LTE
2GB RAM
13.1MP rear camera; 2.2MP front-facing camera
NFC
Water and dust resistant
Dimensions: 139 x 71 x 7.9mm
Battery 2,330 mAh
Up to 16GB Memory; expandable (up to 32GB) via microSD card slot
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... same thing I mentioned in the other thread. phones being announced at CES are still being released with older android versions. waiting for the update to come out? no thanks. I will stick to my Nexus devices, I can't trust any manufacturer to release updates for their phones in a timely mannered. nice specs though.

Glass back? Guess it will get scratches 'out of nowhere'.
In that respect I guess it does belong in this forum
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Where do I sign?
Nice looking phone.
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/445797/sony_unveils_flagship_xperia_z_smartphone/

When was Sony ever here?

Enhanced said:
When was Sony ever here?
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They weren't.
But with them releasing a phone like this, it kinda makes me hope the next Nexus is made by them. The Nexus Z? I could go Sony for that. Hell, I went LG for this one, and I swore I would never do that again.
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Deja vu Xperia S release?
Actually they are better this time. I'm surprised they have 4.1, instead of 4.0. ROFL

Screw all these phones getting bigger and bigger its so depressing even with this nexus its semi hard to type with one hand when ur reaching over for the A or Q ..no complaining but cmon where are they gonna draw a line of being too big for mobile use
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Price: 528 pounds in UK.
Yeah they aren't even comparable, it's twice the price of N4.
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I love Sony and I hope they can see success in the future. I'm a Sony loyalist to the bitter end. I would love to see them make a Nexus device in the future. I would consider buying one of their products if they made devices that mattered. Sony used to "wow" the world with their innovation and design. I find it sad to see them make marginalized products. Even Steve Jobs tried copying their design and that says something. With that said, this phone looks like a step in the right direction. The physical design is stunning and I’m sure the screen tech will blow people away, however I really think they needed to bring their A-game, but this looks like another phone that will get lost in the shuffle. In terms of specs, it would have been awesome if they stuffed a newly announced Tegra 4 and some new battery tech (keep in mind Sony is a major manufacture of high-tech batteries). Sony really needs a game changing device to blow away companies like Samsung & Apple and I don’t see this being that type of a device.

Why is this on the Nexus 4 forum?

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When was Sony ever here?
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Were they ever away?
Their hardware has already been great, it's just their slow update cycles that swayed me towards Nexus 4.

CrazyPeter said:
Were they ever away?
Their hardware has already been great, it's just their slow update cycles that swayed me towards Nexus 4.
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Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.

Jess813 said:
Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.
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You mean creepy commercials like the droid dna being injected into the guy?

Jess813 said:
Just as the Engadget Podcast said.... when was the last time you could remember a hit phone by Sony? Android? Nope sorry. Yes they have tried, but their company is more PS3 and other things focused. Yes maybe they are now realizing that Mobile is THE place to be( a little late there) and hopefully they can get their sh*t together. I love my PS3 and other Sony products but their presence is not felt in the mobile industry, regardless of how good their hardware is. HTC make Beautiful hardware, but even they are sliding off the map...
4 easy step Success recipe for Sony, HTC or any other struggling company:
1.BEAUTIFUL durable, Hardware, make it 4.7( nothing bigger than that)
2.POWERFUL guts like quad core, 1080p display etc,
3.PURE Google Android, with ( people LOVE this! Look at other companies that are doing this, Huwaie, ZTE etc..)
4.Stick to ONE phone and make it your Flagship phone!
5.Guarantee the fastest UPDATES for it besides the Nexus for 2 years!
Done, you will have a hot seller! Oh and market it right, no creepy commercials.
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No, you are mistaking it with "4 easy steps to making the phone Jess813 wants".
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Looks bad ass
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