New Kindle Fire Announcement - 7" Kindle Fire HD General

I've been keeping an eye on PCWorld's live blog for Amazon's Kindle press event. I thought I'd share the news here and update it as more details are released. Perhaps we can use this thread to contain the discussions about the new Kindle Fire devices...
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Kindle Fire 7-inch tablet
- OMAP4430 1.2Ghz dual-core CPU
- 7" IPS display, 1024x600 resolution (169ppi)
- 1GB RAM
- $159 w/ 8GB storage
- Ships Sept. 14
Kindle Fire HD
- OMAP4460 1.2Ghz dual-core CPU
- 7" IPS display 1280x800 resolution
- dual band wi-fi, two antennas, MIMO
- HDMI out
- Bluetooth
- $199 w/ 16GB storage, $249 w/ 32GB storage
- Ships Sept. 14
Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
- OMAP4470 1.5Ghz dual-core CPU
- 8.9" IPS display 1920x1200 resolution (254 ppi)
- Advanced True Wide polarizing filter
- dual band wi-fi, two antennas, MIMO
- HDMI out
- Bluetooth
- $299 w/ 16GB storage, $369 w/ 32GB storage
- Ships Nov. 20
Kindle Fire HD 8.9" 4G LTE Wireless
- All features of the wi-fi version
- Supports all 10 4G bands
- $50/year for 250MB/month data + $10 Amazon credit
- $499 w/ 32GB storage, $599 w/ 64GB storage
- Ships Nov. 20

I've definitely got my eye on the non-LTE HD tablet if there is the same developer support as the original.
My kindle is the only thing I require on vacation now, no laptop necessary.

Just read up on the 8.9HD..... I'm officially getting one of these. Bad asssss.
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kinfauns said:
- New processor
- 2x RAM
- Longer battery life
- $159
- Ships Sept. 14
Kindle Fire HD 7-inch tablet
- ???
- 16 GB storage
- $199
- Ships Sept. 14
Kindle Fire HD 9-inch tablet
- OMAP 4470 CPU
- 8.9" IPS display 1920 x 1200 resolution (254 ppi)
- Advanced Tru-wide polarizing filter
- 16 GB storage
- dual band wi-fi, two antennas, MIMO
- HDMI out
- Bluetooth
- $299
- Ships Sept. 14
Kindle Fire HD 4G LTE 9-inch tablet
- presumably all of the features of the wi-fi version
- 32 GB storage
- Supports all 10 4G bands
- $50/year for 250MB/month data + $10 Amazon credit
- $499
- Ships Nov. 20
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It looks like all 3 HD versions ship on the 20th of November but will accept pre-orders today

I wonder if the boot loader will be locked this time around?
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Curious about official specs of the $159 version.
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OMAP 4470 CPU is dual-core, isn't it?

j576 said:
OMAP 4470 CPU is dual-core, isn't it?
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Yes, but this thing is specced at 1.5ghz and purportedly benches about the same as the Nexus 7's quad-core Tegra 3.

j576 said:
OMAP 4470 CPU is dual-core, isn't it?
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Yes its between 1.5-1.8Ghz dual core.
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I'm looking at the 8.9 ones myself if the overage for data isn't too bad i might sell my siii and get a $25 a month prepay then get the fire with 4g. Although I love my galaxy s3 so I might not.
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loki154 said:
I wonder if the boot loader will be locked this time around?
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The device itself is said to have a bootloader ID at the hardware level, so when the device is turned on, it will check to see if the bootloader's ID checks out before it will even boot.
Depending on how hard it is to spoof the ID, it may be a while before we see any rooted 2nd gen. Kindle Fires.
That is, unless the factory cable still works.

I'm guessing the play store won't be pre loaded like the last fire. Anyone know if there's any way of getting your play store purchaces on the fire without rooting and without getting an invalid license that kicks you out of the app If you haven't purchased it.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/kindle-fire-hd-official-specs-features-pricing-release-date-112963/
Is it safe to assume the 7-inch and 8.9-inch versions will have the same features other than size and resolution?
I really want bluetooth on the 7-inch version.

soupmagnet said:
The device itself is said to have a bootloader ID at the hardware level, so when the device is turned on, it will check to see if the bootloader's ID checks out before it will even boot.
Depending on how hard it is to spoof the ID, it may be a while before we see any rooted 2nd gen. Kindle Fires.
That is, unless the factory cable still works.
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If this is true, and they're using the OMAP security, then it'll be a slim chance it can be defeated. The exploit on the Nook Tablet required the microSD to boot from.

I just ordered a couple of the 7" HD 16gb ones, one of which is for me .
PREORDER LINKS!
7" 1024x600 screen, 8gb, 1.2ghz, $159: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083Q04IQ/ (faster cpu than original & more battery life)
7" 1280x800 screen, 16gb, 1.2ghz, $199: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083PWAPW/ (32gb available on the same page)
8.9" 1920x1200 screen, 16gb, 1.5ghz, $299: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008GFRB9E/ (32gb option available on same page for $369)
8.9" 1920x1200 screen (4G LTE), 32gb, 1.5ghz, $499: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008GFRBBW/ (64gb available on the same page for $599)

hairdewx said:
http://www.androidauthority.com/kindle-fire-hd-official-specs-features-pricing-release-date-112963/
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::Quoted from the website listed above::
Specs and features
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TI OMAP 4470 processor said to outperform the current Tegra 3 SoC
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Did I miss something? Aren't we already running the TI OMAP4?

soupmagnet said:
Did I miss something? Aren't we already running the TI OMAP4?
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/inside-the-kindle-fire-processor/16317
Yes, but this new one I believe has a stronger GPU (more memory bandwidth), and is clocked quite a bit higher.

pokey9000 said:
If this is true, and they're using the OMAP security, then it'll be a slim chance it can be defeated. The exploit on the Nook Tablet required the microSD to boot from.
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Well, I won't be buying one until I know it can be, without opening the case.
[Edit:] I highly doubt the new OS will be any better than the old one in regards to feeling like it's yours.

Hope you like ads. Looks like the new models are ad supported.
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website says there will also be a 3gb and 5gb plans available but no mention of pricing.
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Update
Will our now old Kindle Fires get the new software update to Android 4.something??

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[Q] Question about 10.1 weight

Does anyone know the actual weight of the new 10.1? Most spec sheets indicate 595g, however at Google I/O the presentation indicated 565g?
Typo perhaps? Or are they just adding to the confusion?
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The 595g is for the 10.1V
I'm really confused then.
According to Wikipedia and numerous other sources -- the 10.1v is 599g
Also, why at the Google I/O event would they display the 10.1 (non Vodafone) as 565g ?
sorry i am unable to post links currently, but if you go to galaxytabs dot com and look at the post on May 10th you can see the image i am referring to.
riqjuan said:
I'm really confused then.
According to Wikipedia and numerous other sources -- the 10.1v is 599g
Also, why at the Google I/O event would they display the 10.1 (non Vodafone) as 565g ?
sorry i am unable to post links currently, but if you go to galaxytabs dot com and look at the post on May 10th you can see the image i am referring to.
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Oh. Well IDK.
All I can tell you is it's insanely light. It almost feels bendable, if that makes any sense. It's almost too light.
so given the fact that @ Google I/O they showed the presentation of the "Limited Edition" 10.1 as 565g
...could this then mean that the eventual 10.1 final release will in fact be 595g
with the 10.1v as 599g
3 different h/w models???
riqjuan said:
so given the fact that @ Google I/O they showed the presentation of the "Limited Edition" 10.1 as 565g
...could this then mean that the eventual 10.1 final release will in fact be 595g
with the 10.1v as 599g
3 different h/w models???
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10.1V - First gen, now already outdated due to 10.1. = 599g
10.1 Wifi - Doesn't have SIM slot, MicroSD slot nor 3G Card = 565g
10.1 3G - Has SIM slot, MicroSD and 3G card so is heavier than WIFI = 595g
Thinking about it logically like that, it makes sense.
Hmmm...interesting, taking all those factors into account it does make sense now.
nice one risq
risq said:
10.1V - First gen, now already outdated due to 10.1. = 599g
10.1 Wifi - Doesn't have SIM slot, MicroSD slot nor 3G Card = 565g
10.1 3G - Has SIM slot, MicroSD and 3G card so is heavier than WIFI = 595g
Thinking about it logically like that, it makes sense.
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So the wifi only version WILL NOT have microSD? that seems an odd omission.. Could you provide a link or anecdotal evidence for this, good sir? That would most definitely be a deal breaker for me.
i personally dont have any evidence to support this, however I do have this link from Samsung indicating that the 8.9 tab has a MicroSD slot but not the 10.1
http://originus.samsung.com/us/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=19833&gltype
but then again, the 10.1 also doesn't show it has 'Sensors' and i'm pretty sure that's not correct.
The special edition given at I/O doesn't have an SD slot... Why would they leave it off that if it would be in the retail version? Doesnt make sense to have yet another version
yeah.. at this stage in the game, theyve been manufacturing those things for a while to get ready for launch demand. I'm willing to bet I/O tabs are identical hardware to the retail version, with the obvious exception of the white back.
Dang... I've much to reconsider...
The Google i/o edition has no sd-card slot and no 3G. The hardware for the sd-card and the sim card are probably one unit.
I expect that apart from the androids printed on the back, the white wifi-only 32GB version will be same as the Google i/o version (but that's just a guess).
risq said:
10.1V - First gen, now already outdated due to 10.1. = 599g
10.1 Wifi - Doesn't have SIM slot, MicroSD slot nor 3G Card = 565g
10.1 3G - Has SIM slot, MicroSD and 3G card so is heavier than WIFI = 595g
Thinking about it logically like that, it makes sense.
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Don't think the 10.1v is necessarily outdated due to the 10.1 . It's just another model. Don't know if the 10.1 has a better design because of its thinness. The 10.1v has a great grip due also to the design of the backplate.
appelflap said:
Don't think the 10.1v is necessarily outdated due to the 10.1 . It's just another model. Don't know if the 10.1 has a better design because of its thinness. The 10.1v has a great grip due also to the design of the backplate.
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...and let's not forget the 8MP rear camera on the 10.1v
I guess all this well be answered in a couple weeks.
I think reason 10.1 from I/O does not have an SD support is because it is sort of a hybrid. Old 10.1v (and all its specs) but in a body of 10.1
It ads confusion but hell... that have produced 5.000 pieces quickly out of the spares they had knocking around any way. It is one of.
And if you are a developer you are still going to be happy with a gift like that... lets face it - if it did not costed you a penny why would complain that it lucks stuff.
On the other hand... in order for you to develop stuff for honeycomb it is more than enough.
I'm guessing that the retail will have an SD, the I/O tab is similar to the developer Nexus phones.
565 and Tegra 2. No SD
FAQ
Q. Does this use the generic Google ADB driver or the Samsung USB drivers?
A. Required Samsung USB drivers, it will be available from this forum site.
Q. Can I download the source code for Honeycomb?
A. Please visit
Q. What kind of processor is used?
A. Nvidia T20 Dual Core Processor
Q. What type of Display is used?
A. 10.1” WXGA TFT
Q. Does the P4 Wi-Fi device have a locked bootloader?
A. The Bootloader is not locked
Q. How much onboard RAM is used?
A. 1GB
Additional Device specifications
Category Description
Pixels Per Inch 149 PPI
Bluetooth Core Spec Bluetooth Core Spec v2.1+EDR
Protocol: BNEP, GAP, GOEP, RFCOMM
Profile: A2DP, AVRCP, GAVDP, HID, HSP, OPP, PAN, PBAP, SPP
IOP (Interoperability Test Spec), Dual Profile
Bluetooth profiles A2DP, AVRCP, GADVP, GAP, GOEP, HID, HSP, OPP,PAN, SPP, EDR, DUAL PROFILE BT
SyncML SyncML DM v1.2
Audio Codec MP3, OGG, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR-, NB, AMR-WB, WMA, WAV, MID, AC3, IMY, AAC(Mono), AMR_NB
Video Codec Resolution 720p/1080p Mpeg4, H.264, H.263, H263Sorenson, Divx/XviD, VC-1, WMV7/8
Image Format JPEG, PNG, GIF, WBMP, BMP
Browser Android Browser
Ear Jack 3.5 mm (4 Pole) - Line - in MIC support
Battery Li-polymer 7000 mAh
Connectivity WiFi 801.11 a/b/g/n
USB 2.0 H/S, BT v 3.0
IF Connector 30 Pin
Speaker Size : 17 x 12 (3.5T)
SPK : SPK 2EA
VPS Package : TA(w/Data Cable), Manual
Option : Vehicle Dock, Keyboard Dock,
Desktop Dock (w/out HDMI out), etc
Additional Chip Dual Core T20
Dimention 175.3 x 256.7 x 8.6mm, 565g
Display 10.1” WXGA (1280x800) TFT(PLS)
Camera 3M AF + 2M FF
Flash LED Flash
Memory 1GB RAM
32GB on-board
Ex. Memory -
Antenna Integrated Antenna
SIM -
no2apple said:
Q. What kind of processor is used?
A. Nvidia T20 Dual Core Processor
Q. What type of Display is used?
A. 10.1” WXGA TFT
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Please, tell us your source in regard of CPU. In what technology (according to you) is the screen made?

Nvidia Shield Tablet Revealed

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While the announcement takes place on 22nd July, the Tegra K1 powered Shield tablet won’t hit the market until 29th July in the US/Canada market followed by Europe launch in August 14th and availability will be expanded to more regions in Fall 2014. The Shield tablet will be available in two variants, a 16 GB WiFi model which will retail at $299 US and a 32 GB LTE model which will retail at $399 US. The Shield tablet will also come with additional accessories such as a wireless shield controller and a shield cover which will retail for $59 and $39 respectively.
Coming to the specifications, the Shield tablet is impressive considering it features the Tegra K1 SOC which was unveiled by NVIDIA at CES 2014. From a technical perspective, the NVIDIA Shield Tablet boasts the Tegra K1 SOC with 192 Kepler GPU cores and a 2.2 GHz Quad Core Cortex A15 CPU. This along with 2 GB memory offers better performance than the competitors in the same price range. For connectivity, NVIDIA Shield Tablet offers Wi-FI + LTE on the 32 GB variant which is priced at $399 US while the $299 variant will only feature Wi-Fi connectivity.
The display used on the Shield Tablet is an 8 Inch Full HD IPS LCD which features a maximum resolution of 1920 x 1200. This is a well added display considering a smaller display would have wasted the potential of the Tegra K1′s SOC in gaming and other applications. Now users can fully unleash the gaming performance of this tablet since it is from its core, a gaming product. The Tablet comes with a DirectStylus 2 included (in-holster) which can be used on the display for writing and painting if you don’t want to use touch. Audio is offered by Front facing stereo audio speakers with dual bass reflex port and connected via a 3.5 mm jack. Back in the original Shield, NVIDIA had one of the best audio design for a hand held device and this could be another win when it comes to audio.
Gaming features have been a core part of the Shield devices and NVIDIA’s Shield Tablet aims on reintroducing and refining each single one of them by adding Shield Wireless Controller compatibility, NVIDIA GameStream, NVIDIA Shadowplay, Grid Cloud Gaming, Console Mode, Gamepad Mapper and Tegra Zone. The Shield Tablet will provide a video output of 4K Ultra-HD in console mode which is amazing while the cameras include a front 5 Megapixel HDR and a rear 5 Megapixel auto-focus HDR. The Wi-Fi range is 802.11 a/b/g/n 2×2 MIMO (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) and additional connectivity options include Bluetooth v4.0 LE, GPS and a 9 axis G-Sensor. The Tablet also supports Micro-Sim and a Micro SD card which can expand storage up to additional 128 GB. Battery life is said to last 10 hours is HD video playback and offered by a 19.75 Watt / hour lithium ion cell. There’s also Mini HDMI 1.4a and Micro-USB 2.0 with host and device support. NVIDIA aims to deliver OTA updates directly from their servers so that your device carries the latest firmware and OS updates directly from the manufacturer.
The wireless controller or the Shield controller is an interesting addition to the Shield Tablet. The original shield did come with its own controller but this time, since we are looking at a tablet form factor, NVIDIA decided to offer the controller as an add-on at a price of $59. It comes with Wi-Fi connectivity and includes built-in stereo headphones with headphone and microphone jack. Micro-USB 2.0 connector for charging and wired gaming. It has several buttons which are used for input and comes with a rechargeable Li-Ion cell. The Wireless controller is not only compatible with the tablet but the portable shield too. In terms of performance, the Tegra K1 is faster than its competitors featuring all the great technology support of Kepler GPUs such as OpenGL ES 3.1, AEP, OpenGL 4.4, DirectX 12 API, Tessellation, CUDA 6.0 and a power consumption of less than 2W which is mind blowing. May you use it as a console, as a handheld device, as a streaming box or a personal smartphone, the Shield tablet is definitely a formidable opponent in the tablet industry. :
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I am definetly interested on it but I do not yet understand what market they are targeting with a tablet. I do not see a reason for me to pick up the tablet over the Shield to play games other than the processor and bigger screen(1080p).
It will be a killer tablet, but I can already get games to work fine with different controllers with my Note 2014.
Still prefer the Shield for integrated controller, but this does look like a killer tablet.
16gb for the wifi ONE YEAR later is an absolute insult for a serious gaming device. Most will likely hold out for the 32gb LTE version.
I kind of want it but more of as an upgrade for my Note 10.1, 2012. Hopefully the stylus is decent. I'm still hoping for an xperia play like device though (built-in controller). Hopefully the LTE works in my country.
Well I would have much rather enjoyed a device with built-in gamepad, but I am ready to start throwing my $$$ at my computer screen. If I can pre-order this device, I probably will.
I'm late to the Shield party, but I want this tablet. K1 and 1080p is where I want to be for emulation.
I'm going to be buying this as a present for a family member.
here is hoping that it will be easy to root because I need SU access to do some work on it for em.
I'm all over this. I'd prefer 4:3 as I'm mainly using it for browsing/reading but I guess I'll take 16:10 since I can't find a 4:3 tablet I'd want.
I was waiting for the Nexus 8/9 but who knows when that's coming, could be waiting forever like the people waiting for the next Nexus 10.
Looking forward to getting this next week!
yeah we just ordered one tonight for 331 shipped.
it claims on other sources that the processing power is higher than a ps3 and xbox 360 respectively, pair that with the 120gb sd card micro slot and the amazing screen with crystal clear visibility and contrast ratio. this is the best tablet we're going to see for a while.
also wanted to mention that the stylus is very good from what i've seen. its included in the bundle too.
I can't seem to find the lte version anywhere for pre-order. I wonder if it's compatible with T-Mobile.
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I wonder if Trine 2 works with the original Shield, I'm guessing it's probably not, i think it's exclusive to the K1, but still...
I dropped a pre-order on this about half an hour after the announcement, long enough to read a bit of the press, but I was pretty much always grabbing this day one.
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I'm all over this. I'd prefer 4:3 as I'm mainly using it for browsing/reading but I guess I'll take 16:10 since I can't find a 4:3 tablet I'd want.
I was waiting for the Nexus 8/9 but who knows when that's coming, could be waiting forever like the people waiting for the next Nexus 10.
Looking forward to getting this next week!
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1. We need a new Shield Tablet section
2. Q - Does the LTE Version have a telephone funktion?
3. Q - Are the Controller WIFI and Internet Wifi working simultaneously? Would be a major design flaw if they wouldn't...
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NZtechfreak said:
I'm late to the Shield party, but I want this tablet. K1 and 1080p is where I want to be for emulation.
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More like 1440p !!!
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More like 1440p !!!
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Nope, I want 1080p. Perfectly sufficient for gaming, higher resolution just taxes GPU more in emulation. Also higher resolutions will be wasted on for me for quite sometime as they will have no relevance for mirroring as I plan to stick to 1080p TV and monitors for some time yet.
NZtechfreak said:
Nope, I want 1080p. Perfectly sufficient for gaming, higher resolution just taxes GPU more in emulation. Also higher resolutions will be wasted for me for quite sometime as they will have no relevance for mirroring as I plan to stick to 1080p TV and monitors for some time yet.
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I was just saying as the shield tablet has a 1440p screen resolution, as for the GPU, its basically a mobile gtx 780, so its not taxing, it gets 45k+ on antutu, its powerful enough, if you use a resolution changer, you can see original shield can play fluent 1080p gaming (on one f'ing core) according to the core analyzer i used, only one game had performance issues, which was dead trigger 2 max settings 1080p, as for emulation, a tricking Samsung gear can play any kind of emulator, come on, unless you are using ppsspp, no android device can seem to keep up with that emulator at a stabl framerate
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I was just saying as the shield tablet has a 1440p screen resolution, as for the GPU, its basically a mobile gtx 780, so its not taxing, it gets 45k+ on antutu, its powerful enough, if you use a resolution changer, you can see original shield can play fluent 1080p gaming (on one f'ing core) according to the core analyzer i used, only one game had performance issues, which was dead trigger 2 max settings 1080p, as for emulation, a tricking Samsung gear can play any kind of emulator, come on, unless you are using ppsspp, no android device can seem to keep up with that emulator at a stabl framerate
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Um, the Shield tablet does not have a 1440p resolution. It's 1920x1200 (and mirrors at 1080p in console mode).
Regards emulation, yes I am using PPSSPP and I look forward to seeing what the K1 can do with it (at 1080p). Also, I look forward to seeing Dolphin run Gamecube games on the K1, and again, I don't want to lose performance for a needlessly higher screen resolution in these more demanding emulation situations (check YouTube for videos from the Dolphin dev using a straight port of it on a K1 development board, already in that unoptimised state looking pretty good with some games like Mario Kart)..
hi guys
I want to ask a question about this tablet as they are very concerned.
i want to know if the new shield tablet LTE is able to make and receive telephone calls in italy.
WHAT CELLULAR NETWORKS DOES THE SHIELD TABLET LTE SUPPORT?
There are three versions of SHIELD tablet LTE. There is a North American version that works on AT&T, T-Mobile and Rogers on LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 7, and 17 and HSPA bands 1, 2, 4, 5.
There is a second International version that works on popular European and Asian networks. It supports LTE bands 3, 7, 20 and HSPA+ bands 1, 2, 5, 8.
The third version also works on popular International carriers, in addition to including voice support on compatible networks. It supports LTE bands 1, 3, 7, 20 and HSPA+ bands 1, 2, 5, 8.
Check with your favorite carrier to verify coverage in your area.
DOES THE SHIELD TABLET LTE SUPPORT VOICE?
There is a version of the international SKU that supports voice on compatible networks, available for purchase in select regions.
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2. Q - Does the LTE Version have a telephone funktion?
3. Q - Are the Controller WIFI and Internet Wifi working simultaneously? Would be a major design flaw if they wouldn't...
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1080p is perfect for an 8" device for gaming. Much better battery life and performance.
Ordered a Tegra Note from newegg. Deal was too hard to pass up. Also Pre-ordered this bad boy! Now that i have been thinking about it, i might not keep the TN7, either return or sell new in box never opened.
Release date is just around the corner! Getting Excited!

[SPECS] Huawei Ascend Mate 7 Specifications - Member Thoughts

Hey Guys and Gals
Huawei have jumped into the "Phablet" market with its flagship Ascend Mate 7. This device has a massive 6" screen, some may find this an issue as its a hand stretching 81mm in width. The 16GB model comes with 2GB of RAM and the 32 with 3GB. Whats your thoughts on this device?
Lets take a look at the Huawei Ascend Mate 7 Specifications
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Specifications:
Display - IPS LCD, 1080 x 1920 pixels, 6.0 inches (~368 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - HiSilicon Kirin 925
CPU - Quad-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A15 & quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A7
GPU - Mali-T628
RAM - 2GB RAM (3GB on 32GB model)
Memory - 16/32 GB, Expandable With Card Slot 32 GB
Camera - 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash. Video: [email protected]
Secondary Camera - 5 MP
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, dual-band, DLNA, Wi-Fi Direct, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0, A2DP, EDR, LE
Battery - 4100 mAh
Dimensions - 157 x 81 x 7.9 mm
Weight - 185 g
Source: gsmarena
This looks actually pretty impressive....its what the note 4 could/should have been in some aspects.
If available in canada with working LTE I could see getting one.
Never thought id ever be interested in a huawei device but they nailed it with this one
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I have to wait for more in-depth reviews of the device, but I am seriously considering getting the Ascend Mate 7. I currently have a Note 3, and was hoping that Samsung would either increase the size of the Note 4 or release an updated version of the Galaxy Mega 6.3, but no such luck.
This video shows off the AM7 and it looks really nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayYcVWO3yLI
I'm so jealous of those bloggers at IFA that got one.
Also, I wonder what kind of dev support we can expect here on XDA for the AM7.
Dev support is definately something I would take into consideration prior to buying.
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Looking at the mate 6 forums there's plenty of support.
I'm also very interested in this device, owning an note 3 and seeing how the note 4 is a big letdown I'm considering upgrading to this.
This phone looks great! There will always be the people that dislike this and the other Mates for their mid-range specs, but this phone is mostly for battery life. I have a Mate2 and I can get 2-3 days on one charge easily.
Also, we just achieved root today! Sadly Xposed doesn't completely work, along with Viper4Android.
As for dev support, the original Mate has a number of ROMs up, but the Mate2 has nothing. Again, we just got root very recently. Another reason why is most likely because no one knows about this phone. Maybe the Mate7 will bring new developers and users. And if that happens, I hope the Mate2 gets the same treatment.
Sammath said:
Looking at the mate 6 forums there's plenty of support.
I'm also very interested in this device, owning an note 3 and seeing how the note 4 is a big letdown I'm considering upgrading to this.
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There is no Mate6, unless you mean the Ascend P6?
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This phone looks great! There will always be the people that dislike this and the other Mates for their mid-range specs, but this phone is mostly for battery life. I have a Mate2 and I can get 2-3 days on one charge easily.
Also, we just achieved root today! Sadly Xposed doesn't completely work, along with Viper4Android.
As for dev support, the original Mate has a number of ROMs up, but the Mate2 has nothing. Again, we just got root very recently. Another reason why is most likely because no one knows about this phone. Maybe the Mate7 will bring new developers and users. And if that happens, I hope the Mate2 gets the same treatment.
There is no Mate6, unless you mean the Ascend P6?
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Ahh, my bad yes that one.
I hope the mate 7 will get cm. If it does it will be a blessing of a phone.
I would buy this right now for battery!
I'm currently using Nexus 5. I would really like to know if we would get stock rom on this. I really like the dual antenna and finger print setup. I think it will be challenging to get stock to working on those features.
Anyway I am still willing to buy it now. Any suggestions where would I get it?
ScoobSTi said:
This phone looks great! There will always be the people that dislike this and the other Mates for their mid-range specs, but this phone is mostly for battery life. I have a Mate2 and I can get 2-3 days on one charge easily.
Also, we just achieved root today! Sadly Xposed doesn't completely work, along with Viper4Android.
As for dev support, the original Mate has a number of ROMs up, but the Mate2 has nothing. Again, we just got root very recently. Another reason why is most likely because no one knows about this phone. Maybe the Mate7 will bring new developers and users. And if that happens, I hope the Mate2 gets the same treatment.
There is no Mate6, unless you mean the Ascend P6?
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Hasn't the Ascend Mate 2 been out since February? If it took this long to get root, that doesn't bode well for the Mate 7. I don't think I could wait half a year for root.
Techngro said:
Hasn't the Ascend Mate 2 been out since February? If it took this long to get root, that doesn't bode well for the Mate 7. I don't think I could wait half a year for root.
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Yup, around that time but that was the Chinese/overseas model. It already got root and even an official KitKat update.
Our US model only started to get sold here back in July, I believe. So about 2 months to get root.
Mate7 looks like it will be a Bad ass phone, like to get my hands on one.....
If stock Android/root would be guaranteed I'd buy this the first moment I could get it.
Will T-Mobile LTE work on it?
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If stock Android/root would be guaranteed I'd buy this the first moment I could get it.
Will T-Mobile LTE work on it?
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Yes T-Mobile LTE, and you can Unlock any Huawei Bootloader and Root using the hw-qmonekeytool and adb
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Yes T-Mobile LTE, and you can Unlock any Huawei Bootloader and Root using the hw-qmonekeytool and adb
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Well if it was as easy as you just made it sound, why'd it take the other mate referred to in the other thread forever to gain root?
Guess I just gotta wait for someone to port stock. I could use a launcher I guess.
Poi25 said:
Well if it was as easy as you just made it sound, why'd it take the other mate referred to in the other thread forever to gain root?
Guess I just gotta wait for someone to port stock. I could use a launcher I guess.
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We didn't have the hw-qmonekeytool to get the 16 digit code needed for the Unlock of the bootloader to get root, now we do. Huawei is like HTC, as long as you have that code, you can unlock any Bootlader on any Huawei and get root.
I buy all my Huawei's direct from China (Better prices) Once the Mate7 is available (in the Configuration I need for FDD LTE) I will have it.
rekamyenom said:
I buy all my Huawei's direct from China (Better prices) Once the Mate7 is available (in the Configuration I need for FDD LTE) I will have it.
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What's FDD LTE? Also, am curious how the octacore within the Mate 7 compares to other SoC's nowadays. seems like a low clock to me at 1.8, ya?
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What's FDD LTE? Also, am curious how the octacore within the Mate 7 compares to other SoC's nowadays. seems like a low clock to me at 1.8, ya?
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We use FDD LTE (Frequency Division Duplex-Long Term Evolution) here in the US they Use TD LTE (Time-division Long-Term Evolution) in China.
The Ascend Mate 7 features an octa-core (1.8GHz A15 + 1.3GHz A7) Kirin 925 SoC with Mali T628 GPU. While the 16GB variant will come with 2GB of RAM, the 32GB variant will pack 3GB of RAM.
That Kirin Chip is bad asssssss
http://consumer.huawei.com/minisite/worldwide/Ascend-Mate7/
rekamyenom said:
The Ascend Mate 7 features an octa-core (1.8GHz A15 + 1.3GHz A7) Kirin 925 SoC with Mali T628 GPU. While the 16GB variant will come with 2GB of RAM, the 32GB variant will pack 3GB of RAM.
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lol, I didn't need you to rehash the specs. Just wanted to know if there's comparisons to the other flagship SoC's out there.
So if I purchase the mate 7, is it gonna be compatible with At&t or T-Mobile's LTE?
And any words of availability?
shinji21 said:
So if I purchase the mate 7, is it gonna be compatible with At&t or T-Mobile's LTE?
And any words of availability?
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Yes
I believe they are pre-order right now

[SPECS] Nexus 9 Specifications - Members Thoughts.

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Its good to see HTC back in the tablet game! This device features Google's latest version of Android (lollipop) nicknamed Android "L". Feel free to discuss the hardware or the overall design of the Nexus 9:good:
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Display - IPS LCD,1536 x 2048 pixels, 8.9 inches (~281 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Nvidia Tegra K1
CPU - Dual-core 2.3 GHz Denver
GPU - Kepler DX1
RAM - 2GB
Memory - 16/32GB
Camera - 8MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera - 1.6MP
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0
Battery - Non-removable 6700 mAh
Dimensions - 228.2 x 153.7 x 7.9 mm
Weight - 425g
Source: gsmarena.
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Hey all
Its good to see HTC back in the tablet game! This device features Google's latest version of Android (lollipop) nicknamed Android "L". Feel free to discuss the hardware or the overall design of the Nexus 9:good:
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Specifications:
Display - IPS LCD,1536 x 2048 pixels, 8.9 inches (~281 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Nvidia Tegra K1
CPU - Quad-core 2.3 GHz Denver
GPU - Kepler DX1
RAM - 2GB
Memory - 16/32GB
Camera - 8MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera - 1.6MP
Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth v4.0
Battery - Non-removable 6700 mAh
Dimensions - 228.2 x 153.7 x 7.9 mm
Weight - 425g
Source: gsmarena.
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Its a big!! And a giant upgrade. coming from the nexus 7 2012
Is Nexus 9 also have turbo charging like the Nexus 6?
jjardinero.01 said:
Is Nexus 9 also have turbo charging like the Nexus 6?
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doesn't matter we will make it happen
Kernel hacking
I don't think so I think the fast charging is a feature built in to the Qualcomm chips.
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For me is 3 things that are causing noise:
1) The pixel density is what's causing the first impact (not in a good way) in me. I'm no expert when it comes in judging screen but when other devices with far smaller screens as well as devices that have been in the market for a long time come up with much higher densities, it does make you wonder about this brand new flagship device that only offers 281 ppi. (And please, spare me the explanation about how irrelevant pixel density is in relation to the smaller screen sizes, I understand that).
2) Also, the 2GB RAM (as opposed to 3).
3) The portability aspect of such a big device: the physical size and weight seem to be a concern, specially when you're upgrading from the fantastically compact Nexus 7 (2013).
edited: I forgot about a 4th thing that has me deeply disappointed:
4) Lack of wireless Qi-charging capability.
But who are we kidding, being the nerds we are, we know most of us here will be getting one regardless.
Its not quad core denver chip but dual core denver chip
I agree on #1 and #3.. This is a step backwards from the DPI on the N7 and at 425g its pretty much the same as a 9.7 inch Ipad air (437g)
rdelfin said:
For me is 3 things that are causing noise:
1) The pixel density is what's causing the first impact (not in a good way) in me. I'm no expert when it comes in judging screen but when other devices with far smaller screens as well as devices that have been in the market for a long time come up with much higher densities, it does make you wonder about this brand new flagship device that only offers 281 ppi. (And please, spare me the explanation about how irrelevant pixel density is in relation to the smaller screen sizes, I understand that).
2) Also, the 2GB RAM (as opposed to 3).
3) The portability aspect of such a big device: the physical size and weight seem to be a concern, specially when you're upgrading from the fantastically compact Nexus 7 (2013).
edited: I forgot about a 4th thing that has me deeply disappointed:
4) Lack of wireless Qi-charging capability.
But who are we kidding, being the nerds we are, we know most of us here will be getting one regardless.
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I don't see any mention of a GPS in the Nexus 9... Can anyone confirm GPS (or maybe GLONASS?) capability?
Snowflake6 said:
I don't see any mention of a GPS in the Nexus 9... Can anyone confirm GPS (or maybe GLONASS?) capability?
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its there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_9
I like the 4/3 form factor. Only time I have used this form factor on a tablet was on an Ipad. I personally don't like Ipad but one thing I loved is that form factor. Easier to hold and work with.
Android L looks good. I can't wait to see how fast the K1 will be using ART.
Funny to see that the N9 camera will protrude from the tablet a little bit, like on the new Iphone 6 (Iphone users complained about this). I personally don't care but I'm sure some future N9 users will complain about it.
Camera is not the best but hey, who brings a tablet to take pictures? Grab your DSLR or your phone Pple looks so stupid when taking picture using a tablet..lol. This also makes me think about something else. Why not putting a better resolution camera on the front? Personally, when I'm using my tablet camera, It's for Skype. I never took a picture using the main camera, Imo, the 8 Mp camera should be front facing so we can have descent video resolution when skyping.
2 Gb of ram is enough for me, especially when using "pure" android (no Sense or TouchWizz UI). 3Gb of ram would have raised the price too much and most users don't need 3gb.
Polycarbonate cover:
HTC were so excited when they announced that the One X was getting a uni-body poly-carbonate shell back in 2012. This polycarb. design caused so much trouble with that phone, the polycarb. body was somewhat flexible and caused bad electrical contact between main board and antennas glued inside the polycarb cover. (i.e the infamous Wifi issue of the One X) I personally don't thrust polycarb anymore, I prefer aluminium body like the M7/M8. Hopefully, they have designed the N9 so that problem will not occur again...
Tegra K1 CPU:
I also had bad experience with Tegra CPU on my One X. They announced the Tegra 3 (in 2012) to be a powerful quadcore CPU with very good power consumption using a battery-saver "companion" core to handle low-power tasks when 4 cores are not required (standby mode, playing music etc etc). Performance wasn't there (compared to the qualcomm equivalent of that year) and power consumption was really bad. I was very disappointed by Tegra CPU. Also used a Tegra 2 on my gf's Asus TF101. I prefer qualcomm cpu, much faster and power friendly. It also looks like there is more development for qualcomm CPU than Tegra CPU. But K1 is ready and Qualcomm's 810 isn't, so yes the K1 will be to most powerful chip on the mobile market, but im not optimistic about power consumption where the 810 will probably be much better when released.
Overall I think it will be a very good tablet keeping in mind that this tablet is designed for the average consumer and not for enthusiast.
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front facing speakers (boomsound) will be awesome!
a bit bummed out on only 2gb ram, no qi charging, lowish dpi but am ordering it anyways...
do really like turbo charging, ac wifi, bt apt-x, htc design and big battery...
I hate that they went big with both the 6&9. The 7" fit perfectly for my needs. Oh well...
4x3, front facing speakers, and stock Android? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE!?!?
This tablet will be a huge hit, despite the less-than-record-setting specs. I do wish it were cheaper, but I think people who do buy it will love it.
And it's time for 16x9 tablets to die. I hope this is the start!
jjardinero.01 said:
Is Nexus 9 also have turbo charging like the Nexus 6?
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Yeah it comes with a turbo charger which is weird considering the turbo charger is made by Motorola. (I forget where I read this so may not be reliable but I know I read it lol)
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4:3 is what I've been looking for in a tablet as one of my main uses for it as a medical professional is reading PDFs on the go. 16:9 or 16:10 is not the aspect ratio for reading letter-size PDFs, but it could be managed on the larger >10" tablets. Up to this point, the iPad was the best device for consuming PDFs, but now I have another choice on the market to take a look at.
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4:3 is what I've been looking for in a tablet as one of my main uses for it as a medical professional is reading PDFs on the go. 16:9 or 16:10 is not the aspect ratio for reading letter-size PDFs, but it could be managed on the larger >10" tablets. Up to this point, the iPad was the best device for consuming PDFs, but now I have another choice on the market to take a look at.
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I too have been waiting for a 4/3 android option without resorting to cheapo Chinese tablets without after sale service. And to those who will explain you that 16/9 is better for movies, that is a very limited point of view in my opinion : how do iPad users do ? I mostly watch movies on my tablet in my bed, with other lights off or very dimmed, so I just can't see the bezel anyway and will gladly have a much better format for books and Internet consumption !
It's not THAT different from most other phones, but I like the size.
I hope it's dual core and not quad core so it's finally worth investing for real.
What I like:
- Tegra K1 - 'nuff said
- Android apps will automatically compile to 64bit when installed on it. The beauty of Dalvik/ART :')
- 4:3 screen - FINALLY an android tablet for working people. Working with PDFs and documents will be an absolute joy with this.
- Android updates
Cons:
- Limited storage -- what's the point of having all that power if you don't have enough storage for content to make use of it. HD games and videos use a LOT of space.
Even Apple realised that and dropped $100 off 64 and 128GB models
- eMMC 4.51 -- which peaks at 200MB/s is significantly slower than other flagships. My iPhone 5S gets over 360MB/s read speeds in benchmarks.. SSD-speeds really.
- 2GB RAM, unlikely to be a problem in the near future.
- Too expensive for what it has to offer.
All in all, I think its the best android tablet on the market now. Sad to see it out powered by the iPad Air 2 only a day after release though the difference is only minimal.
Can't wait to get mine

Moto G 3rd Generation Leaked

Update - It will come in two variants ( 8GB ROM - 1GB RAM , 16GB ROM - 2GB RAM )
Source - Moto G 3rd Generation will come with 16GB ROM AND 2GB RAM
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Source - TechDroider
Well I think our phone' design is better than this, I'm not quite sure about how U feel about the textured back, looks kinda cheap
guillaumedsde said:
Well I think our phone' design is better than this, I'm not quite sure about how U feel about the textured back, looks kinda cheap
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I think we will get other covers ! But from my opinion the specs should be atleast 2gb ram , USB C support , 12 Mp back and 5 mp front cam with IR Blaster !
It should be priced under 250$ .. Then i m gonna buy it !
Looks like lenovo is infecting motorola AKA Looks like a ZTE phone. Ugly design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgSnF7tbtPQ
Only 1 GB of RAM.
zman01 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgSnF7tbtPQ
Only 1 GB of RAM.
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If this video is truth... (i don't watched it because i am on 2g) ONLY 1GB RAM? I GONNA KILL SOMEONE NOW. Motorola thinks we are in 2012 and ship phones with 1 GB of RAM is a normal thing. The processor needs to be AT LEAST a 64-bit one, and it needs to be more than a Snapdragon 410, maybe a 615.
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If this video is truth... (i don't watched it because i am on 2g) ONLY 1GB RAM? I GONNA KILL SOMEONE NOW. Motorola thinks we are in 2012 and ship phones with 1 GB of RAM is a normal thing. The processor needs to be AT LEAST a 64-bit one, and it needs to be more than a Snapdragon 410, maybe a 615.
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Yeah it's ridiculous
The screen resolution is the same, Quad cortex a53 @ 1,36GHz 64bit, adreno 306 (I think it's a Snapdragon 410), 13 Mpix camera, LTE..
zman01 said:
Yeah it's ridiculous
The screen resolution is the same, Quad cortex a53 @ 1,36GHz 64bit, adreno 306 (I think it's a Snapdragon 410), 13 Mpix camera, LTE..
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Yeah, if the GPU is an Adreno 306, the CPU is a Snapdragon 410, so the new Moto G3 is a copy-paste, 5" version of the new Moto E 4G. God my next phone will be a Nexus again.
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Yeah, if the GPU is an Adreno 306, the CPU is a Snapdragon 410, so the new Moto G3 is a copy-paste, 5" version of the new Moto E 4G. God my next phone will be a Nexus again.
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I think I'll rather buy a used Moto X 2nd.
Lol only 1gb ram in 2015. If this gonna happen it will flop not like moto g ot moto g 2nd
These specs can't be right surely? The Moto E 4G already outperforms the G, so can't this possibly be an even lower end model?
Moto G 1st- Snap 400
Moto G 2nd-Snap 400
Moto G 3rd-Snap 410~ which is more or less a 400 , but a 64 bit version.
These kind of lame specs are okay if it was Q1-Q3 of 2014. Now, it doesnt really make sense of having a sub 100-120$ phone spec(MOTO E 4G, Redmi,Lenovo A700).
My next phone will probably be a nexus(if its under 450$)
If this is true, what a disappointment.
2 years an basically no evolution?
If the specs in the video is to be believed looks like they are killing the MotoG .. Part of some corporate strategy .
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The 13mp cam with dual led flash is a nice upgrade for this gen, and a 5mp front isn't bad. But the processor only being a snapdragon 410 is disappointing. It should be a 610 at the least, but a 615 to make it stand out. Other phones at the 180-200 price have it, and 2GB ram. Since that's a prototype that leaked I'm hopeful it'll have better specs when official
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The 13mp cam with dual led flash is a nice upgrade for this gen, and a 5mp front isn't bad. But the processor only being a snapdragon 410 is disappointing. It should be a 610 at the least, but a 615 to make it stand out. Other phones at the 180-200 price have it, and 2GB ram. Since that's a prototype that leaked I'm hopeful it'll have better specs when official
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I doubt they'll change it.
Perhaps the aim is to keep this phone as cheap as possible. Sure, you can gradually bump the specs up, but then you're near £200 and away from your initial target of £100-125 (or whatever).
It's funny that the 4G Moto E outperforms the Moto G, but the G is still the nicer phone for a lot of reasons (camera, dual speakers, screen etc) so perhaps people will value an even better camera over better performance when their needs are going to be quite moderate.
I think that even now, Snapdragon 400 offers a good performance for most things, along with good battery life.
That's not to say I wouldn't like more, but perhaps Motorola knows what it's doing (and how this will fit around other devices it plans to launch).
Well you can get all the specs we wanted from the 3rd gen Moto G in the £125 Vodafone Smart ultra 6 (unlock code for £3-4), a Moto G with similar specs could have still released at the £145 starting price of the 2nd gen and with things like front facing speakers, factory unlocked and far more potential for better support with OS updates would have been the much better buy, and if they didn't want to go to 5.5 inch screen they could have kept the 5 inch screen they are using now the pixel density is more than good enough and saved some pennies there and that would greatly help with battery life too.
I got it ! Motorola Will Give 2 variants of Moto G 2nd Gen
8 GB version with 1 GB RAM
16 GB with 2 GB RAM
we had only saw 8 GB version both on the leaked video and Flipkart leaked information !
As all the Companies are making 2 variants of Smartphone ! Moto Will also do it !
harsinghal said:
I got it ! Motorola Will Give 2 variants of Moto G 2nd Gen
8 GB version with 1 GB RAM
16 GB with 2 GB RAM
we had only saw 8 GB version both on the leaked video and Flipkart leaked information !
As all the Companies are making 2 variants of Smartphone ! Moto Will also do it !
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I doubt it.

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