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Galaxy Tab not selling so well.

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/...-figures-only-20k-sold-until-now-says-lenovo/
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To be honest with you, the pressure implied by Apple on Samsung's Tabs are making a serious blow to their reputation. You know that it might not be true but in consumers' eyes no one would generally opt for a product which has patent issues regardless of how good it is.
The reason TF being such a success is because it's a fresh, innovative idea which emerged into the market out of the blue with a solid spec sheet and an extremely attractive price tag for the mass.

Another example which illustrates that people just aren't look for android tablets. Especially not in the price range they are selling for.
I can't wait for the galaxy tab $99 fire sale! LOL

Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.

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Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.
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Strange that they`re showing a photo of the galaxy tab 10.1 with this story. Bit misleading.
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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.

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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.
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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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EP2008 said:
That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).

Even though the TF is an entirely fresh new idea with a very solid spec sheet, it's not making such a big splash in the media world. Most people don't know about it. Google isn't paying attention to it. Google's star product is the galaxy tab for whatever reason.
It's kinda sad, really, that such a fine product as is the TF is not being noticed that much.

EP2008 said:
That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Actually, I have to ask: where are you getting the information that HP sold more TouchPads than Asus has Transformers? I'd say HP sold a few hundred thousand TouchPads (say, 100K - 300K, MAYBE as many as 500K, but that's being really generous). There was the perception of really high sales, sure, but that comes from the hype generated by one of the stupidest decisions in modern marketing history.
Looking at Asus' shipping numbers and given that the Transformer is pretty much selling every bit of inventory they ship, I'd say they've sold at least 1 million Transformers. At a profitable price, I might add.
There's no way HP has sold more TouchPads.

Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html

ExploreMN said:
Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).
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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html
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Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.

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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.

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I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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Not true. I believe hp said that app downloads have increased 5x since the firesale, but you have to keep in mind that there was a survey done which apparently showed that most people download and use a very minimal amount of apps on their tablets... It was a crazy low number as far as I was concerned, but apparently, many people are happy just using stock apps. My wife has an android phone and she sticks to almost all stock apps... N00b! LOL

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I returned my Galaxy Tab the day Touchwiz rolled out and bought the Asus with dock instead. No regrets, though the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had a really wonderful official case which I miss.

EP2008 said:
There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks.
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I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
No one wants these things cause they all have the same specs as my HTC touch. The quality is sub par. It has nothing to do with them having the android OS on it.
I love android. I love my tablet, I love my phone. I wouldn't spend 99$ for one of those POS. Even "everyday people" have that much "know"
You take our tablet or a Samsung 10.1 and slap a 99$ price tag on it, and watch em fly off the shelves.

wynand32 said:
Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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Why do you think those numbers are unrealistic? Remember that they got those numbers from the fact that everywhere was sold out and we know how much stock people had. Where else would they be if they didn't get sold?
Also, the reason we're not seeing hundreds of thousands of app downloads is because people are waiting to port android over to the touchpad.

skydirt said:
I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
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Yes, I've owned a few of them. Do you know what ereaders are good for, like the kindle? Reading books... that's pretty much all they do and they've sold WAY more than android tablets, often at a higher price. These $150 android devices do more than kindles, but people don't want them. They certainly perform better than the kindle, but Android hasn't taken off for them.
Perhaps it's all down to marketing? Who knows? But if Android tablet makers think they are going to sell Honeycomb tablets for $499+, they are completely out to lunch. When people are looking for a tablet, they say "I'm looking for an iPad" - that's a fact. Something has to change with the way Android tablets are promoted - maybe they need to hire apple guys?
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wynand32 said:
Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
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3 weeks ago, I was sitting on the train playing with my tablet when a man sat down next to me. He asked me if what I had was an ipad and I said no. Then he said, and I quote, "oh, you have an imitation".
First of all, I did not have my tablet inside a case or anything. I was playing galaxy on fire 2, and this thing looks nothing like an ipad or ipad 2.
But what really surprised me was how rude this gentleman was. He actually said I had an imitation.
With the billions of dollars apple is pumping into their ad campaign, people tend to only think the only "real" tablet is the ipad and ipad 2 and that everything else is a fake. And this atittude makes people so confident that this man actually said to a total stranger on the train "you have an imitation".
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.
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Frankly, I'm surprised people aren't paying more attention to the transformer. It really is a solid device. The design is superb, if you ask me. And compared to the transformer, other android tablets (with the exception of the galaxy tab) feel like anchors.
The transformer really should get more attention than what it's getting now.

[THOUGHT] The Nexus 7 Isn't Really the Xoom's Successor

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that, in the Google Experience Device world, the Nexus 7 isn't really the Xoom successor that everyone thought it was going to be.
I first started tossing this idea around when I saw that the Nexus 7 runs a hybrid phone/tablet UI that more resembles phone mode than tablet mode. Add to this the fact that the Xoom is still the only Google Experience Device that showcases Android in full tablet mode, plus the fact that there appears to be no plan for a 10" Nexus 7, and I'm willing to put down money that in 6-8 months, we'll see Google partnering with an OEM to bring a new 10" GED tablet to the market. I would guess that it would be paired with Android 5.0. That would be the real successor to the Xoom. And why replace the Xoom now anyway? Tablets have a longer technological shelf life than smart phones do and, with the price drops, the Xoom still holds its own with tablets twice its price.
Am I way off here? What do you guys think?
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100% agree....
but in that time i may seriously be considering a windows 8 tablet... a pro that can still have the ability to dual boot android (if the x86 project has more legs by then)
if not i will 90% buy another GED android tablet however it is possible the next release after jelly a new nexus may be the headline act

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The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that, in the Google Experience Device world, the Nexus 7 isn't really the Xoom successor that everyone thought it was going to be.
I first started tossing this idea around when I saw that the Nexus 7 runs a hybrid phone/tablet UI that more resembles phone mode than tablet mode. Add to this the fact that the Xoom is still the only Google Experience Device that showcases Android in full tablet mode, plus the fact that there appears to be no plan for a 10" Nexus 7, and I'm willing to put down money that in 6-8 months, we'll see Google partnering with an OEM to bring a new 10" GED tablet to the market. I would guess that it would be paired with Android 5.0. That would be the real successor to the Xoom. And why replace the Xoom now anyway? Tablets have a longer technological shelf life than smart phones do and, with the price drops, the Xoom still holds its own with tablets twice its price.
Am I way off here? What do you guys think?
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Yeah, the nexus 7 sounds fun but I've got a great phone and my Xoom hasn't even started showing its age--technologically speaking. Though I'm tempted to get a new toy, I think for now I'll skip the nexus 7, although a 7 inch tab is a very nice size to hold. Good for game playing.

Well rumor has it the next nexus tablet will be a 10"
https://www.google.com/producer/edi...oFCAowgG8w0AswwSw/rumor_nexus_10_in_the_works
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I agree with OP.
The thing about the newer processors is that only a small 1% of applications take advantage of them. Other than a few games, supports more video codecs, there isn't much more practical usage over tegra 2. There isn't much practical reasons WHY I should. It won't give me many features that the xoom can't do outside of NFC/IPS screen/few select games. I will wait until a 10.1 inch tablet is at the $200 price range later this year before I even bother considering an upgrade. Tegra 2 > Tegra 2 is like going to i5 to an i7 on a windows computer. You won't see a huge noticeable difference from day to day use until you try to run a game/encode a video/run a file server/have 20 open programs that shows it grunt.

I think that Motorola will be the one to make the 10" nexus, the 7" was a warning shot towards amazon the real deal will come later, Any item that come from Motorola with a Google sticker is a keeper, call me bias, I have nothing against Samsung ,HTC, LG or any other Korean company.I just cannot choose them over Motorola after all they invented the phone and they are a home grown company, my wish is for Google to go after T-Mobile and watch at&t, vz and sprint costumers jump ship ...

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I think that Motorola will be the one to make the 10" nexus, the 7" was a warning shot towards amazon the real deal will come later, Any item that come from Motorola with a Google sticker is a keeper, call me bias, I have nothing against Samsung ,HTC, LG or any other Korean company.I just cannot choose them over Motorola after all they invented the phone and they are a home grown company, my wish is for Google to go after T-Mobile and watch at&t, vz and sprint costumers jump ship ...
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Motorola is good in the USA, but it has a very bad reputation in Europe because they NEVER update their phones.
Thankfully european Xoom has the same exact hardware of american Xoom so we can use the same ROMs.
A Motorola Nexus will be ok only if they remove the difference between America and rest of the world

OP thinks what I think.
I too saw the phone mode, and thought

Ghost-of-the-Sun said:
Motorola is good in the USA, but it has a very bad reputation in Europe because they NEVER update their phones.
Thankfully european Xoom has the same exact hardware of american Xoom so we can use the same ROMs.
A Motorola Nexus will be ok only if they remove the difference between America and rest of the world
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Well you have to remember that Google is also an American company.. So it's only legally easy for them to give us stuff first. You guys governments in Europe and Asia sucks Donkey balls with all those regulations about hardware and software. That's why you guys get late updates and get left out when Google products launch.
So your blame for these delays is blindly misguided my brother. Motorola and Google are not the blame.
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I think down the line there will be a Nexus 10 released to compete against the iPad. The Xoom does still seem to be a very good device. Google has to still develop with the Xoom that's why it continues to be updated right along with all the latest Android software. Google knows Androids time is now and they are slowly and methodically pushing Android OS with new innovations and will ultimately push Apple off the top for good.

I am definitely glad I bought the Xoom - the announcement that we'll officially get 4.1 surprised me.

Responding to the OP, no I would not think a 7" Nexus succeeds a 10" Xoom!
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I am definitely glad I bought the Xoom - the announcement that we'll officially get 4.1 surprised me.
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And me also - quite a nice surprise.

The Nexus 7 definitely feels like a portal for Google content, not the next leap forward in tablet computing. For my use case, I'll be flashing a Jelly Bean ROM and be just fine.

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Well you have to remember that Google is also an American company.. So it's only legally easy for them to give us stuff first. You guys governments in Europe and Asia sucks Donkey balls with all those regulations about hardware and software. That's why you guys get late updates and get left out when Google products launch.
So your blame for these delays is blindly misguided my brother. Motorola and Google are not the blame.
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You're telling me that Samsung, HTC, Sony and Google itself with Nexus devices have magical powers that gives them the ability to update their devices while the little Motorola can't do anything?
Think before posting, please.

My next tab will either be a >10" GED with a full usb port, screen upgrade and a really good processor or I'll go back to using a laptop. I really see no value in a smaller tab. My phone has a 5" display, why would I buy a 7" tab? A whole other device to pay for, update, and tweak for a rather minor screen jump. Maybe I could use a Bluetooth for talking and keep it in my pocket, but it wouldn't fit comfortably in the clothes I wear to work unless cargo khaki's become business casual.

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iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

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exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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Impact of Nexus 10 on third-party Tablet makers?

I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?

Techie2012 said:
I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.

EniGmA1987 said:
Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.
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Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.

well i beleive we will see new processors ,the tegra 3 is obvious a medium choice for tablets cpu.
i believe we will see tablets with s4 pro ,exynos cpu and 2gb ram as untill now 1 gb is standard ,for resolution i believe may devs will own a nexus 10 so many apps will go up to nexus 10 resolution in the near future and so new tablets will have the same as nexus 10.
the only thing that i find a little disturbing on nexus is the missing sd slot so new tabs may have a future over nexus 10 ...

Techie2012 said:
I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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This will definitely put some serious price pressure on the 10-inchers. It's pretty well known that the BOM on the Samsung Note 10.1 is $260, and they have been selling it for $200 over cost. So now the N10 comes out, and the 16gb model has to be sold pretty near cost -- you can compare features and prices with the iPad BOM, and the total has to be pretty close to the msrp. My point is that, as with the N7, Google is shaving margins pretty thin, and competitors will have to follow suit -- even mighty Apple
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MikeBuck said:
Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.
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It looks like March will be a big month for tablet fans. The Samsung Galaxy S4, with Exynos 5450, is expected. Surely it would be easier to drop that SoC on a tablet, N10-derived or not, as they already have the experience with the 5250, so I would expect tablets to arrive around the same time. T40 is scheduled for Q1 as well, so we may see some interesting head-to-head competition CES, in two months, will shed a lot of light on what to expect in Q1 2013.
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Techie2012 said:
I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).

Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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Apple will get a run for its money.
Way to go Google :good:

jdog2115 said:
Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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They will always have a large flock of sheep, but it won't be a larger crowd for long. There is going to be a lag between the growth of Android tablets shipped and the growth of quality apps -- as developers are drawn to the platform and have to train up -- but as Android users takes the biggest slice of the market, the maturity of both hardware and software development will improve.
Apple's problem is attracting new customers; they may be selling more tablets, but many are to existing users.
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).
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As much as I crave the N10, I feel I'll be happier in the long-term waiting for the next big thing. Besides, I think my budget Lenovo A2109 is a great tab. My guess is that it compares poorly even in performance, but I just bought it a couple months ago, so I can bask in the upgrade for a while longer .

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Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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So, going 16:9 on the iPhone isn't budging? The very existence of the iPad mini?
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Nexus 7 versus Transformer Prime

I've had a Prime for a while, now, and I paid a lot of money for the thing. I thought a 10-ish inch tablet would be awesome, and I thought for sure I'd eventually buy the keyboard connector. Never bought the keyboard connector, and while I'm not unhappy with a 10" screen, after getting to hold and play around with the new Nexus 7 earlier today, I really started to feel like I might enjoy a smaller tablet better. Not to mention, I had high hopes the Prime would get good custom ROM support, and for the most part, it always seemed pretty lackluster in that regard.
Part of me REALLY wants to buy a new Nexus 7, but I've kinda been spending a lot of money, lately, so I feel like I should just not bother. There's also the fact that I feel bad about buying a new tablet when the other one I have (that I paid $400-500 for...) works just fine.
I dunno... Anyone think it's worth the trade-off, or should I stick with my Prime?

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I've had a Prime for a while, now, and I paid a lot of money for the thing. I thought a 10-ish inch tablet would be awesome, and I thought for sure I'd eventually buy the keyboard connector. Never bought the keyboard connector, and while I'm not unhappy with a 10" screen, after getting to hold and play around with the new Nexus 7 earlier today, I really started to feel like I might enjoy a smaller tablet better. Not to mention, I had high hopes the Prime would get good custom ROM support, and for the most part, it always seemed pretty lackluster in that regard.
Part of me REALLY wants to buy a new Nexus 7, but I've kinda been spending a lot of money, lately, so I feel like I should just not bother. There's also the fact that I feel bad about buying a new tablet when the other one I have (that I paid $400-500 for...) works just fine.
I dunno... Anyone think it's worth the trade-off, or should I stick with my Prime?
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I went from a TFP to a N7 and I'm much happier. I use my tablet a lot for reading and the 7" form factor is so much nicer. I just bought a new N7 last night... I've thought about another 10" tablet, but the size is just unappealing now.

I'm kinda kicking myself, because we sell them where I work, and I was very much contemplating buying one last night, but I ultimately chose not to, to give it some thought. I go to work later today, but I have a feeling that by the time I get there, we'll be sold out.

I have a Transformer Infinity with dock and loving this new N7 tablet. Do I regret getting the infinity? No, it's had a year run on it and I'm sure I can still get a nice price on it.
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Why not get the N7 and use it for 2 weeks. If you don't like it return it for a refund. If you do like it sell your prime to pay for the N7
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Yeah, get the N7 (I had the Prime and Infinity last year) Unless you are waiting for the 2013 Transformer Pad Infinity (10", Tegra 4, 2560x1600) that will be a $400-500 2013 release tablet. Asus fixed the slow memory and the WIFI/GPS connection issues that plagued that tablet. The screen is bright and at the levels that only the Prime was doing 1.5 years ago and at a higher resolution.
mrw1215 said:
I've had a Prime for a while, now, and I paid a lot of money for the thing. I thought a 10-ish inch tablet would be awesome, and I thought for sure I'd eventually buy the keyboard connector. Never bought the keyboard connector, and while I'm not unhappy with a 10" screen, after getting to hold and play around with the new Nexus 7 earlier today, I really started to feel like I might enjoy a smaller tablet better. Not to mention, I had high hopes the Prime would get good custom ROM support, and for the most part, it always seemed pretty lackluster in that regard.
Part of me REALLY wants to buy a new Nexus 7, but I've kinda been spending a lot of money, lately, so I feel like I should just not bother. There's also the fact that I feel bad about buying a new tablet when the other one I have (that I paid $400-500 for...) works just fine.
I dunno... Anyone think it's worth the trade-off, or should I stick with my Prime?
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michaelg1030 said:
Why not get the N7 and use it for 2 weeks. If you don't like it return it for a refund. If you do like it sell your prime to pay for the N7
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Heh, because I know I won't want to return it, lol.
Anyway, nah, I'm not holding out for a new Transformer series tablet, or anything, but since I paid $400-500 for my Prime, I wanted to be strict with myself and say "Okay, keep this tablet for the next 3-4 years at least". But I'm so weak and constantly tempted by new gadgets! @[email protected] lol

While basically they perform the same functions, they each have their own niche to fill. With that said buy the 7 if you find it doesn't do anything that your other one does besides weigh less and offer a smaller viewing experience then return it/sell it. If you find you like using it more, sell the prime.
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mrw1215 said:
Heh, because I know I won't want to return it, lol.
Anyway, nah, I'm not holding out for a new Transformer series tablet, or anything, but since I paid $400-500 for my Prime, I wanted to be strict with myself and say "Okay, keep this tablet for the next 3-4 years at least". But I'm so weak and constantly tempted by new gadgets! @[email protected] lol
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Same here. I still have my original ipad1, Galaxy Note 10.1, and 2 Original Nexus7 tablets(one for me and one for my woman). Not to mention I just got me a brand new LG Optimus G Pro with 5.5in 1080P display w/ Snapdragon 600 and Andreno 320.
I got the galaxy note 10.1 and nexus7's last summer. So I'm feeling like upgrade time. Ill just give my old nexus7 to my dad. I know he'll love it. The note 10.1 still works great. I wanted a new 10in. One also but its getting to point on overkill on tech devices. Can't help it, I love new tech..lol

Send it back, take refund and wait for the new nexus 7 (v2013)
It will cost the same and has better hardware like a full hd screen.
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I had a Transformer before my Nexus 7. I liked my sons 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab and was super easy to tote around. So I sold it for the Nexus 7.
I never used my keyboard dock outside of making sure it works.
I have the new Nexus7 now (just delivered) and its so nice.
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I had a Transformer Prime for a year, and I liked the tablet. However, the GPS and Wifi issues annoyed me. This tablet is definitely worth the upgrade, and I don't see myself upgrading to anything else for several years

I had the transformer prime for a while, good tablet but it wasn't Google. Enough said
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Yeah, for a while I thought the 7 inch form factor was dumb. Then the original nexus 7 came out and I thought, what the heck, I'll try it for that price. Ended up loving it and using it as my daily driver for both work and home.
I've owned only 10 inchers previously....archos 101 back in 2010, og transformer, even an iPad 3 that work gave me. The n7 form factor meant I could tote it around much more easily, even put it in a slacks pocket in a pinch. The new one is even better because of its thinness, not to mention the screen.
The back camera is great too...people say it's silly but I use it at work all the time....to scan paper people hand me in meetings (I don't print crap any more...hardly even bring a pen to a meeting) or to snap a pic of a whiteboard.
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I bought the Transformer Infinity with the keyboard before. I used it for a few months and sold it through craigslist. End up I bought an ASUS X202E for productivity. The Transformer Infinity really disappointed me. I/O issue, quality issue, FW issue, etc.
Providing that the Transformer Infinity is very close to the vanilla Android, I would rather get a Nexus so that I can have fast update. I also feel a 10.1" tablet is a bit burden for me. End up buying the new Nexus 7 now. I am extremely happy with that.
In my own opinion, Android tablet doesn't really need a keyboard. If I am not getting a keyboard, I will not get the Transformer series.

demandarin said:
Same here. I still have my original ipad1, Galaxy Note 10.1, and 2 Original Nexus7 tablets(one for me and one for my woman). Not to mention I just got me a brand new LG Optimus G Pro with 5.5in 1080P display w/ Snapdragon 600 and Andreno 320.
I got the galaxy note 10.1 and nexus7's last summer. So I'm feeling like upgrade time. Ill just give my old nexus7 to my dad. I know he'll love it. The note 10.1 still works great. I wanted a new 10in. One also but its getting to point on overkill on tech devices. Can't help it, I love new tech..lol
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Take a break there pal
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