http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/...-figures-only-20k-sold-until-now-says-lenovo/
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To be honest with you, the pressure implied by Apple on Samsung's Tabs are making a serious blow to their reputation. You know that it might not be true but in consumers' eyes no one would generally opt for a product which has patent issues regardless of how good it is.
The reason TF being such a success is because it's a fresh, innovative idea which emerged into the market out of the blue with a solid spec sheet and an extremely attractive price tag for the mass.
Another example which illustrates that people just aren't look for android tablets. Especially not in the price range they are selling for.
I can't wait for the galaxy tab $99 fire sale! LOL
Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.
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Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.
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Strange that they`re showing a photo of the galaxy tab 10.1 with this story. Bit misleading.
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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.
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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.
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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).
Even though the TF is an entirely fresh new idea with a very solid spec sheet, it's not making such a big splash in the media world. Most people don't know about it. Google isn't paying attention to it. Google's star product is the galaxy tab for whatever reason.
It's kinda sad, really, that such a fine product as is the TF is not being noticed that much.
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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Actually, I have to ask: where are you getting the information that HP sold more TouchPads than Asus has Transformers? I'd say HP sold a few hundred thousand TouchPads (say, 100K - 300K, MAYBE as many as 500K, but that's being really generous). There was the perception of really high sales, sure, but that comes from the hype generated by one of the stupidest decisions in modern marketing history.
Looking at Asus' shipping numbers and given that the Transformer is pretty much selling every bit of inventory they ship, I'd say they've sold at least 1 million Transformers. At a profitable price, I might add.
There's no way HP has sold more TouchPads.
Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html
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Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).
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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html
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Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.
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Not true. I believe hp said that app downloads have increased 5x since the firesale, but you have to keep in mind that there was a survey done which apparently showed that most people download and use a very minimal amount of apps on their tablets... It was a crazy low number as far as I was concerned, but apparently, many people are happy just using stock apps. My wife has an android phone and she sticks to almost all stock apps... N00b! LOL
Gtab 10.1
I returned my Galaxy Tab the day Touchwiz rolled out and bought the Asus with dock instead. No regrets, though the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had a really wonderful official case which I miss.
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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks.
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I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
No one wants these things cause they all have the same specs as my HTC touch. The quality is sub par. It has nothing to do with them having the android OS on it.
I love android. I love my tablet, I love my phone. I wouldn't spend 99$ for one of those POS. Even "everyday people" have that much "know"
You take our tablet or a Samsung 10.1 and slap a 99$ price tag on it, and watch em fly off the shelves.
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Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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Why do you think those numbers are unrealistic? Remember that they got those numbers from the fact that everywhere was sold out and we know how much stock people had. Where else would they be if they didn't get sold?
Also, the reason we're not seeing hundreds of thousands of app downloads is because people are waiting to port android over to the touchpad.
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I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
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Yes, I've owned a few of them. Do you know what ereaders are good for, like the kindle? Reading books... that's pretty much all they do and they've sold WAY more than android tablets, often at a higher price. These $150 android devices do more than kindles, but people don't want them. They certainly perform better than the kindle, but Android hasn't taken off for them.
Perhaps it's all down to marketing? Who knows? But if Android tablet makers think they are going to sell Honeycomb tablets for $499+, they are completely out to lunch. When people are looking for a tablet, they say "I'm looking for an iPad" - that's a fact. Something has to change with the way Android tablets are promoted - maybe they need to hire apple guys?
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Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
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3 weeks ago, I was sitting on the train playing with my tablet when a man sat down next to me. He asked me if what I had was an ipad and I said no. Then he said, and I quote, "oh, you have an imitation".
First of all, I did not have my tablet inside a case or anything. I was playing galaxy on fire 2, and this thing looks nothing like an ipad or ipad 2.
But what really surprised me was how rude this gentleman was. He actually said I had an imitation.
With the billions of dollars apple is pumping into their ad campaign, people tend to only think the only "real" tablet is the ipad and ipad 2 and that everything else is a fake. And this atittude makes people so confident that this man actually said to a total stranger on the train "you have an imitation".
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.
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Frankly, I'm surprised people aren't paying more attention to the transformer. It really is a solid device. The design is superb, if you ask me. And compared to the transformer, other android tablets (with the exception of the galaxy tab) feel like anchors.
The transformer really should get more attention than what it's getting now.
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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/
If you can't get to the link somehow, this is what [email protected] had to say (dated today) about why our Iconia should be on the extinction list. I'll let you spot the multitude of BS. If you get a chance, email him and tell him to do some research before he opens his mouth on the 'net.
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."
What an uninformed asshole.
so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road
Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.
Easy fun happyness
Just read the last 50 articles he had posted. Quite obvious who is getting a check from whom.
Or perhaps his outdated and silly info is a true "review", right? Too bad many people will be fooled into letting a "review" like this influence their choice of tablets to purchase.
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Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.
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Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense
For real
Check out this article - android 2.2 vs. Ios. http://tinyurl.com/237lz3f
Lmao
i hate fanboyism at its finest. I do not like apple but damn i at least respect what they have done.
Honestly, why would we care what some dude says about the Iconia.
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I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.
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I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.
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that's called Free Speach
What an idiot, though, such an easy job/money for him.
eWeek needs to just change their name to biweekly and be honest about it.
Load of BS. Obviously XDA folks are clued in to the merits our A500 or whatever. Whatever happened to reliable journalism? I love my A500 - it serves my needs perfectly and latest ROMs for Android 3.2 show promise to make A500 an iPad killer.
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I took it a step further and emailed eweek's editor [email protected]:
In reference to http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/ - Enterprise Mobility: 10 Tablets That Should Join HP TouchPad on the Extinction List
I have got to say this article is riddled with technological errors that make me wonder if a) anyone fact checked Mr. Reisinger's work and b) did he even use any of these products before his apparent bias declared that they should die?
Case in Point the Acer Iconia Tab 1/11 in this article:
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."
The only thing right here is the name, the processor front camera, and the display size. His argument seems to hinge on the fact that it's running Honeycomb 3.0?? Despite the fact like every android tablet - they all shipped with 3.0 and were quickly upgraded to 3.1 and 3.2 - just like the Acer Iconia was upgraded over 3 months ago. The Tablet sports 2 cameras, just like the iPad - and just like the iPad has a lower resolution front camera, but at 2-megapixal in the front and 5 in the back it's still got better resolution than the ipad2 - so I'm unclear why the camera is anything but a postive. He doesn't even discuss any of the tablet's unique features like being the only Andorid tablet in his list that sports a full size usb connection or its rave reviews across the web including Ziff Davis' own PC Magazine which gave it a good rating in April of 2011. The fact that the a500 has been outselling more "well known" tablets like the Motorola Xoom should say that in fact there are a few more people who know about this tablet than Mr. Reisinger's leads on.
It is my hope that after an editorial review of this article it can be corrected to at least include the facts, not just blind rambling from someone who obviously isn't a fan of Android tablets.
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David
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Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense
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I understand.
Top 5 reasons Don Reisinger sucks:
1. Because he does
2. Because he really does
3. Because he really, really does
4. Because he really, really,really does
5. Because his mother abandoned him as a child in a Starbucks with a sign attached that said "He sucks"
Just saying.
What a tool, well I sent him an email anyway, not like it could penetrate his brain.
Wow, that guy is a complete asshat. i emailed him, for what good it will do. I'm sure his reign of douchebaggery will continue unabated. I mean, he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong, but at least hire a fact-checker or possibly just read the listed specs on the manufacturer's website before spouting such verbal feces.
I've also emailed this assclown (cc'd to his editor). I take issue not only with his options and mis-information regarding the Iconia, but with the article as a whole. I realize that editorials are opinionated, but that doesn't release a journalist from being honest and fair.
For starters, there his blatent opinion that 7" is too small for a tablet. I cannot see how millions in combined sales can possibly be disregarded as "redundant". AFAIK, the Galaxay Tab 7 is still the best selling non-Apple tablet to date. They still seem to be in solid demand now, with even the resale value holding up in the 75% or better range (at least in the Toronto area). As someone in the tech sale industry, at least half of non-Apple tablet sales I see are 7" devices.
Also, dismissing yet to be released products, i.e. the Cisco Cousin, is just rediculous.
Plus, the article is riddled with factual inaccuracies and misleading statements.
Lastly, I take issue with his dismissal of Asus as a non-"mainstream" company. The Eee PC defined the netbook market. You would be hard pressed to find a consumer who has shopped for a netbook who HASN'T heard of Asus.
I expect more journalistic integrity from a Ziff-Davis publication, but perhaps I'm living in the past.
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Wow that was funny! Seems the only tablet allowed to live is the one with the least features. The writer might just be mentally challanged, but whoever published that should be more responsible to the readers. Freedom of speach should not be an excuse for bad journalism.
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so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road
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Well put.
I guess that makes the A500 a sleek sports car to the Ipad's Dodge Neon-like sales numbers.
I wrote a scathing reply to Ziff Davis, critical of the article and rebutting the claims. It will probably go straight to the trash folder, but its worth a shot.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111031PD219.html
ICS coming to Transformer and Slider "early december". Asus have sold 1.2m Transformers since it launched in April, and are ontrack for 1.8m for the 3/4 of a year of 2011...
Not too shabby at all. Whilst all the media have been talking about Xoom and Tab, it seems consumers were actually buying Transformers....
well. Im one of those people. Jurt bought one and im very happy with. And was looking into xoom and tab.........but transformer caught my eye
Me too
I bought 2 of them. First one was a B80 and I really wanted to root it so I bought another one that is rootable. This one has the dock, which I bought with the first one. USB ports and another MicroSD slot. Gotta love all that extra space and I love extra options. Then, updated right away so the support is there. So I switch from my IPad 2 to my Transformer but only when the transformer is recharging. With the dock, I'm not on the I Pad very much at all any more. Can't wait for the Prime!!
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I bought 2 of them. First one was a B80 and I really wanted to root it so I bought another one that is rootable. This one has the dock, which I bought with the first one. USB ports and another MicroSD slot. Gotta love all that extra space and I love extra options. Then, updated right away so the support is there. So I switch from my IPad 2 to my Transformer but only when the transformer is recharging. With the dock, I'm not on the I Pad very much at all any more. Can't wait for the Prime!!
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Interesting. The numbers I read were 3.2 million total Honeycomb tablets. So Asus has over a 1/3 of the market? That makes the 3.2 number seem low. What about Zoom and Samsung? I wondering if the other 600k were going to be Prime's or if they plan on fire sale-ing the TF1 when the prime comes out. I've been shopping for sub $300 tablets for my wife. Current candidates are Fire, 80 G9, Ideatab A1. I would love to throw a Transformer into the mix (or give her mine and get a Prime ).
Why would anyone else wanna get the other tablets? Sounds like their companies don't give a crap about their customers.. hmm.
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Why would anyone else wanna get the other tablets? Sounds like their companies don't give a crap about their customers.. hmm.
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i kno, rite?
Seriously, ASUS has been rather on the ball with OS updates
Not to mention, the TF101 was cheaper, lol...
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i kno, rite?
Seriously, ASUS has been rather on the ball with OS updates
Not to mention, the TF101 was cheaper, lol...
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This, and of course the screen is excellent as well...
Apple spends about a quarter of a billion each year on advertisement and public relations. If a company like asus wants to catch up, they really ought to spend more on ads and PR.
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Apple spends about a quarter of a billion each year on advertisement and public relations. If a company like asus wants to catch up, they really ought to spend more on ads and PR.
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I don't think ASUS has any desire to "catch up with" Apple, nor any delusions that they could. In fact, that's what's stupid about the whole thing: no company NEEDS to sell as many tablets (or any other product, really) as the iPad 2--they only need to sell however many is necessary to get a return on their investment.
ASUS is clearly happy with the number of Transformers sold, or else they wouldn't be making such a huge push with the Transformer Prime. As long as they sell enough to keep making them, I'm happy.
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Apple spends about a quarter of a billion each year on advertisement and public relations. If a company like asus wants to catch up, they really ought to spend more on ads and PR.
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+1 on that.
Here in Holland I see Samsung doing a lot of ads.
Asus could sell more if the general public would be more aware of the Transformer.
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Bought one Slider for me, here in Brazil, asus doesn't make advertisement at all and it was really hard to find the tablet... found more often only iPads, Galaxy tabs 10.1 and 7 and xoom. Some time ago I found Transformer but didn't find the Keyboard, only in sites like "mercado livre" (Works like ebay)...
It's annoying that they don't advertise.
I use mine often for work and when traveling, and tech illiterates ask "hey, is that an iPad?". I explain mine is ASUS and runs Android, and they always reply "never heard of it", and look at me like I'm crazy for buying it. Then they tell me they're probably going to buy an iPad 2 for $700, despite not knowing what it does, what the differences are between tablets, and completely oblivious to $400-$500 tablets that are newer, more powerful, and expandable.
Not to mention, once ICS hits and merges Android phone and tablet software, Android devices will outsell Apple by the millions and devs will focus a lot more energy on Android tablet apps.
I just bought one too
The new prime's design isn't really to my liking. The price for a transformer now doesn't hurt too, it has dropped to a reasonable level. You prolly need to give prime some time to sort out the initial issues.
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The new prime's design isn't really to my liking. The price for a transformer now doesn't hurt too, it has dropped to a reasonable level. You prolly need to give prime some time to sort out the initial issues.
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A word to the wise, there are pros and cons with the "waiting" thing. Generally the new tech is jumped on right away by the geniuses that frequent here like hungry wolves. Once they crack and root a device, they move on to development. When the company patches the exploit, the intensity of finding a root solution precipitously dips and continues to do so with each iteration of hardware and software. (The companies fix the original exploit making it exponentially harder if not impossible to beat). If you are in the front door when the device hits, you will undoubtedly be able to root it, and it will stay that way for the life of the product. Just something to think about.
There are those of us who jump right in and get the latest tech and enjoy it and enjoy our lives immensely, and there are those of us who wait and wait and always do without on the chance that something better or cheaper will come out.
Those are the types that usually have nothing new and nothing to enjoy.
In my book your a long time dead so i am going to get whatever i can as soon as i can and have the pleasure of using it.
A friend of mine is earning over 40k a year yet always goes for a cheap option.
Now he's moaning that his tablet is not good for movies etc etc etc.
Should have stopped being such a tight arse and gone for the asus.
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Apple spends about a quarter of a billion each year on advertisement and public relations.
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That's only the tip of the iceberg, they can only talk about their legal/moral advertising.
Both Microsoft and Apple spend many more times that on less ethical forms of marketing, like:
Employing "gamers" to stand outside stores in midnight launches to "buy" consoles and games..
Employing armies of viral marketeers to monitor forums and blogs and praise/defend their employers products.
Holding blogs and news sites to ransom for good press with their advertising budgets
Inviting blogs and news sites to lavish launch parties, all expenses paid trips to Redmond/Cupertino, Free Xboxes at E3, free Acer Ferrari Laptop with Vista..
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There are those of us who jump right in and get the latest tech and enjoy it and enjoy our lives immensely, and there are those of us who wait and wait and always do without on the chance that something better or cheaper will come out.
Those are the types that usually have nothing new and nothing to enjoy.
In my book your a long time dead so i am going to get whatever i can as soon as i can and have the pleasure of using it.
A friend of mine is earning over 40k a year yet always goes for a cheap option.
Now he's moaning that his tablet is not good for movies etc etc etc.
Should have stopped being such a tight arse and gone for the asus.
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Agreed, 100%. If I'm hit by a bus tomorrow, I don't want to think about all the things I never tried because I was waiting for something cheaper to come along.
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It's annoying that they don't advertise.
I use mine often for work and when traveling, and tech illiterates ask "hey, is that an iPad?". I explain mine is ASUS and runs Android, and they always reply "never heard of it", and look at me like I'm crazy for buying it. Then they tell me they're probably going to buy an iPad 2 for $700, despite not knowing what it does, what the differences are between tablets, and completely oblivious to $400-$500 tablets that are newer, more powerful, and expandable.
Not to mention, once ICS hits and merges Android phone and tablet software, Android devices will outsell Apple by the millions and devs will focus a lot more energy on Android tablet apps.
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haha, I just smile and say "no, you wouldn't have heard of it" and happily continue using it(and fire up wifikill app and block every apple device on the network for lulz)
Apple sheep... too many to deal with.
Love my Transformer; the dock makes it a sweet netbook, when I'm writing articles, too; If only Polaris had more word processor tools like spell check and word count, I would say it's perfect for my needs. As it stands though, I have VERY few complaints.
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haha, I just smile and say "no, you wouldn't have heard of it" and happily continue using it(and fire up wifikill app and block every apple device on the network for lulz)
Apple sheep... too many to deal with.
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Lol i must get that app!!!!
Usually when im asked i say when was the last time you saw a ipad2 with a keyboard dock and the same amount of ram as your netbook at home with 16hrs battery life????? (bombardment of questions usually follows)
Think ive converted a good 30 people since owning my tf
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I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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Competing with the Kindle Fire that's why. Don't worry about Google making money, they always do.
Google is just too good.
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Competing with the Kindle Fire that's why. Don't worry about Google making money, they always do.
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exactly. its priced to sell and that's a good thing. now others will have to model this. you get a 1280x800 Tegra3 tablet for only $199-249. you can't beat that. this will surely eat up kindle fire sales and put a dent in Ipad sales also. This is Google's attempt at going more mainstream. This may be the beginning of Android takeover in tablet sector.
I think they're trying to expand the market for android tabs to compete with the ipad's market share by offering a good, low cost alternative. That's what got me. I'd been looking for a tab for a while and couldn't justify the cost.
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I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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should worry about asus making money, the more tablet that sells, the more money google makes from ads and app sales..i highly doubt this was subsidized tho..manufacturing cost is probably under $150
What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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It hurts at least a bit as I took a galaxy tab 2 back to Costco tonight and preordered the nexus 7
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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Sure it will hurt their profits, I'm sure a lower priced competitor entering the market worries them. Especially when the competitor is essentially the creator of the OS that their tabs are running. Let alone the fact that the Nexus 7 has JB when the other brands may be bragging about ICS. Will they leave the market? Who knows. The competition has two choices, leave or compete. But to compete they will have to lower their prices or to justify higher prices, or they will have to offer a substantially better product. All the while competing with the author of the OS.
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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I was kind of thinking the same. Everyone is calling it competition to the Kindle Fire but I see it just as much competition to tablets like the Galaxy Tab 2 7in. Maybe it's just me?
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I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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Think about what they are selling. Yes, they are selling the device but the real profits come from content(ads included)
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Man, are you worried about saving money?
Nvidia Kai's platform is why this is so cheap
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Google isn't currently looking for a big profit with the tablet. It probably costs between 150 and 190 bucks to make the tablet. But their main purpose create a base for Google so that they can grow the Google Play store to be able to compete with amazon and possibly apple.
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im sure the tablet costs under 200 bucks, so google is making a few bucks off of it. A teardown should give us a estimated price, plus the more they make, the less the tablet costs no? lol
so im guessing around 50+- a few bucks
I am a little confused about this so mentioned competition between Samsung and google, When I think nexus is made by Samsung as well.
Am I wrong?
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The reason the Nexus 7 is so cheap is to ensure its sales success and popularity. Android tablets have not sold well at all, period. I'm an Android fan myself and every time a tantalizing new Android tablet comes out I just think "but do I really want to spend $500?". As much as I don't like Apple, the iPad has dominated the expensive tablet game. Dominated. The vast majority of consumers see no reason to buy an expensive Android tablet. The reason the iPad does well is because consumers pretty much know (based on popularity) that they will enjoy an iPad if they get one. They aren't sure (because of a lack of popularity, successful advertising and pushing, and simply general information about Android) if they will like an Android tablet, so they make the easy choice to get the iPad. Here's the thought process:
Best Buy guy: "You ever consider an Android tablet?"
Consumer: "Hmm, not really, but they look decent."
Best Buy guy: "Do you want to give one a shot? Android offers a lot that iPad doesn't."
Consumer: "Well, Android tablets might be nice, but I know for sure that the iPad is good, and I'm just a generic consumer that doesn't know anything about specs or anything, and I don't care to actually look into things, so why don't you just ring me up for the iPad I know for sure is good."
The Kindle Fire showed that the place to compete is not to compete in price at all with the iPad. It just can't be done, at least not at this time. This low price range is where people (and by people I mean the generic consumer Google so badly needs) will actually consider a tablet other than an iPad. Google desperately needs a tablet product to actually become very popular just to establish itself in the game. You may say Android tablets are already established based on their quality, but the established that Google is looking for is a level of popularity, respect from the general consumer, and willingness to become a repeat customer. Google is not looking to extract maximum profit from this tablet. It's trying to put a flag on the tablet hill. And it needs to. The Surface is coming this year, and I seriously believe (as do many) that Android tablets may be relegated to 3rd place. If Android tablets don't become a part of the mainstream public tech consciousness before the Surface comes out, they may become entirely irrelevant.
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The reason the Nexus 7 is so cheap is to ensure its sales success and popularity. Android tablets have not sold well at all, period. I'm an Android fan myself and every time a tantalizing new Android tablet comes out I just think "but do I really want to spend $500?". As much as I don't like Apple, the iPad has dominated the expensive tablet game. Dominated. The vast majority of consumers see no reason to buy an expensive Android tablet. In the first place, you're lucky if they are even aware what those tablets are. In the second, you're lucky if they are willing to give these tablets a look. In the third, you're lucky if they will then research tablets. Finally, you're lucky if after all these things they choose the Android over the iPad. The reason the iPad does well is because consumers pretty much know (based on popularity) that they will enjoy an iPad if they get one. They aren't sure (because of a lack of popularity, successful advertising and pushing, and simply general information about Android) if they will like an Android tablet, so they make the easy choice to get the iPad.
The Kindle Fire showed that the place to compete is not to compete in price at all with the iPad. It just can't be done, at least not at this time. This low price range is where people (and by people I mean the generic consumer Google so badly needs) will actually consider a tablet other than an iPad. Google desperately needs a tablet product to actually become very popular just to establish itself in the game. You may say Android tablets are already established based on their quality, but the established that Google is looking for is a level of popularity, respect from the general consumer, and willingness to become a repeat customer. Google is not looking to extract maximum profit from this tablet. It's trying to put a flag on the tablet hill. And it needs to. The Surface is coming this year, and I seriously believe (as do many) that Android tablets may be relegated to 3rd place. If Android tablets don't become a part of the mainstream public tech consciousness before the Surface comes out, they may become entirely irrelevant.
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If the surface runs MS Office well, MS will end up dominating business sales in this area.
For home, I plan to have a desktop for the foreseeable future for "big computing" needs like video conversion and storage, but I got to tell you, my next "laptop" will most likely be a Surface rather than something like a transformer prime. I want real MS Office and seamless networking.
guys - they are subsidizing it or making little to no money off it. The Goog is sitting on a boatload of cash, and people (read: other companies) are screwing up the android tablet market.
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I'd say $199 price is just right. There's a huge psychological difference between sub-$200 and $200+ devices.
Unfortunately, this will be my most expensive tablet. I have firesale TP and nook color. Can't wait for mid-July.
hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
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My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well
To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.
Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB
I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.
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Arent there already 4 models of the Transformer out now?
If anything Id expect 3rd party people to step up their game and not make anymore ****ty spec'ed tablets. Its time to move to the newest hardware.
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Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.
well i beleive we will see new processors ,the tegra 3 is obvious a medium choice for tablets cpu.
i believe we will see tablets with s4 pro ,exynos cpu and 2gb ram as untill now 1 gb is standard ,for resolution i believe may devs will own a nexus 10 so many apps will go up to nexus 10 resolution in the near future and so new tablets will have the same as nexus 10.
the only thing that i find a little disturbing on nexus is the missing sd slot so new tabs may have a future over nexus 10 ...
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I am wondering if hardware companies will have less incentive of making 10" Android tablets now that Google is making their own? Does that mean we won't see an Asus Transformer v4 in the future, for example?
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This will definitely put some serious price pressure on the 10-inchers. It's pretty well known that the BOM on the Samsung Note 10.1 is $260, and they have been selling it for $200 over cost. So now the N10 comes out, and the 16gb model has to be sold pretty near cost -- you can compare features and prices with the iPad BOM, and the total has to be pretty close to the msrp. My point is that, as with the N7, Google is shaving margins pretty thin, and competitors will have to follow suit -- even mighty Apple
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Yeah I agree, we may not see alot of tablets comign out with the screen res that the n10 has i'd expect alot of tablet with the 1920x1080 screen in the transformer infinity. I think most makers will wait for the tegra 4 processor to come out before we see anything substantial being released, I'd say the N10 will be the master of the domain for at least 6 months.
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It looks like March will be a big month for tablet fans. The Samsung Galaxy S4, with Exynos 5450, is expected. Surely it would be easier to drop that SoC on a tablet, N10-derived or not, as they already have the experience with the 5250, so I would expect tablets to arrive around the same time. T40 is scheduled for Q1 as well, so we may see some interesting head-to-head competition CES, in two months, will shed a lot of light on what to expect in Q1 2013.
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).
Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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Apple will get a run for its money.
Way to go Google :good:
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Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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They will always have a large flock of sheep, but it won't be a larger crowd for long. There is going to be a lag between the growth of Android tablets shipped and the growth of quality apps -- as developers are drawn to the platform and have to train up -- but as Android users takes the biggest slice of the market, the maturity of both hardware and software development will improve.
Apple's problem is attracting new customers; they may be selling more tablets, but many are to existing users.
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Pretty sure the new Note tablet will be built on the experiences of the old and the Nexus 10.
A 12" 2600k tab with Exynos 5450, 8-core Mali T604 and S-Pen magic, if you can wait 6 months and get an additional $100, you'll be in for a treat. (the 10+" screen is wishful thinking, but isn't that the Samsung way? The next big thing).
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As much as I crave the N10, I feel I'll be happier in the long-term waiting for the next big thing. Besides, I think my budget Lenovo A2109 is a great tab. My guess is that it compares poorly even in performance, but I just bought it a couple months ago, so I can bask in the upgrade for a while longer .
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Ehh, apple won't have to budge the slightest. Let's all be honest here, as much as we hate them, apple (sadly) appeals to a larger crowd. It has that name brand value. No matter what they put out there, lots of people will buy it.
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So, going 16:9 on the iPhone isn't budging? The very existence of the iPad mini?
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