iv owned my atrix for around a year now and iv always had a small problem but just brushed it off my shoulder asif its how the phone should be, although this may be on my carriers side of things.
Im in the uk and i get signal from T-mobile and Orange as there the same company and share satellites but iv always noticed my phone signal status is really missleading, this is how it goes
normal full bars
full bars with 3G next to them
full bars with H next to them
when on the normal full bars i can barely make a call or send a text, after a few retrys it eventually gets there but otherwise says there is no network, so why is it saying i have normal cell data?
then when im on 3G which is supposed to be a half decent data transfer rate, i can call and text perfectly fine but if i try to open a webpage or facebook/twitter, it takes a painfully long time asif to say the 3G is actually cell data or something, its that slow i give up if i see 3G on my phone that means to me that its unusable for anything other than calls and texts...
then theres H+ which is lightning fast.... calls and texts once again are perfect, and when i load a webpage or facebook its faster than my wifi at home... the problem is i rarely even get this H signal unless im around a built up area like a city centre...
what im trying to get at is that although my phone is labellingg the signal as certain things it seems to be getting mixed up?
normal bars fells like it should be "no signal"
3G feels like it should be "normal cell signal"
and H feels like it should be "3G"
im not sure if i get 4G over here in england aswell before anyone asks but my H is alot faster than the 3G on my friends iphones, my friend who also has a sony xperia S also has this same confusing problem..
iv always just wondered why they seem to be labelled wrong, or is 3G just awfully slow and cant handle todays smartphones data?
any answers and discussion would be helpfull.. thanks
Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths
tehrules said:
Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths
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ahhh i see thanks for clearing it up! well i have an unbranded motorola atrix from england so it must not be a 4G but i do get H+ signal
would there be any reason for 3G being slow then?
3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...
crnkoj said:
3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...
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ISDN would actually be 2x dialup aka about 112kbps so a bit slower than that. Just fyi.
i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"
catillito said:
i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"
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Go to System Settings, About, Status and look at Mobile Network Type. HSPA:10 is the fastest the Atrix supports and is not Evolved HSPA (H+). I was thinking the same as you on this until I researched. My only wish is the we had an indication of all the different HSDPA speeds in the status bar without having to look at the mobile network type. Remember, your provider you not support HSPA:10.
Take a look at the following If you want to read up a little bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716
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I have the X1i
Overall very pleased with the phone, but able only to use GSM/EDGE because my provider works over 850MHz
I´d like to get the X1A too
Best Buy and Sony Style are taking pre-orders for january, not in stock...
Where can I buy one ??
Are they (X1A) already -really- "released" ??
Not already available ???
...eBay? A few auctions are for the X1a version. Make sure you ask the seller which version it is!
Try this guy out:
http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1236&category_id=60
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Try this guy out:
http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1236&category_id=60
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That is NOT the x1A
"3G Network 2100/1900/900" Notice there is no 850 band.
yeah they had them and i guess they are on back order now. i got lucky and bought mine online from sony before thanks giving and received it a week afterwards.
dont know why they are on back order, must be a hot item.
c_legaspi said:
yeah they had them and i guess they are on back order now. i got lucky and bought mine online from sony before thanks giving and received it a week afterwards.
dont know why they are on back order, must be a hot item.
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This question has been asked and asked on this sub-forum, I know ... but:
1) which region are you in, please ? I don't mean actual location, suburb etc but rather city or country area ?
2) if city, have you yet tested 3G connection in a country area?
3) if country, have you yet tested 3G connection in a city area ?
The reason behind these questions is to ascertain whether the A version of the device can connect to both UMTS850Mhz and 2100Mhz
im from san diego-city area and i get the h instead of the 3g. they are the same but i think because its unbranded, it shows the h instead of the 3g.
im in florida right now and i still get the h.
You get the H because it is really HSPA. I have actually on occasion seen the 3G icon on my X1a.
emuneee said:
You get the H because it is really HSPA. I have actually on occasion seen the 3G icon on my X1a.
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oh wow.... im kind of suprised and a little bit confused now. i have not seen 3g icon on my phone. whats the difference? what makes the 3g icon pop up?
c_legaspi said:
oh wow.... im kind of suprised and a little bit confused now. i have not seen 3g icon on my phone. whats the difference? what makes the 3g icon pop up?
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speeds, hsdpa is faster than 3g. depends on the roll out by your network to how many of the old 3g cells have been upgraded to hsdpa
artesea said:
speeds, hsdpa is faster than 3g. depends on the roll out by your network to how many of the old 3g cells have been upgraded to hsdpa
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when you mean 3g cells, you are talking phones? i have two phones, the x1a (unlocked/unbranded) and another cell thats is 3g capable (at&t branded). the x1a shows H, and the other one 3g. i have not seen 3g icon on my x1a and so i thought 3g was only an at&t thing. the only thing that i dont know, is what 3g band my at&t phone supports (850, 2100 or both)
talking towers. although the phones themselves will be causing some confusion.
a HSDPA cell tower will be able to take traffic for Voice or Data on GPRS, 3G or HSDPA depending on your phone. If the phone can't handle HSDPA you'll only see 3G whilst a phone which can will have H
However if you are on a 3G cell tower, it will only be able to do Vocie, GPRS and 3G, so both phones will see 3G
artesea said:
talking towers. although the phones themselves will be causing some confusion.
a HSDPA cell tower will be able to take traffic for Voice or Data on GPRS, 3G or HSDPA depending on your phone. If the phone can't handle HSDPA you'll only see 3G whilst a phone which can will have H
However if you are on a 3G cell tower, it will only be able to do Vocie, GPRS and 3G, so both phones will see 3G
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thanks for the clarification.
One correction. You see H is you have both HSDPA and HSUPA. If you see 3G, you most likely do have HSDPA, but just not HSUPA. Most carriers rolled out HSDPA with UMTS and are adding HSUPA after.
3G = UMTS
3.5G = HSPA (HSDPA + HSUPA)
ummm HSPA is still 3G.
the only thing special about 3.5G marketing is that they mean faster speed support like 7 Mbps instead of just 3 Mbps. The HSPA specification can go up to 14 Mbps.
randy_c said:
Try this guy out:
http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/welcome/cart.php?target=product&product_id=1236&category_id=60
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Of course, the Mobility Man was the FIRST person I asked !!!
Nope not available there...
ianl8888 said:
This question has been asked and asked on this sub-forum, I know ... but:
1) which region are you in, please ? I don't mean actual location, suburb etc but rather city or country area ?
2) if city, have you yet tested 3G connection in a country area?
3) if country, have you yet tested 3G connection in a city area ?
The reason behind these questions is to ascertain whether the A version of the device can connect to both UMTS850Mhz and 2100Mhz
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Good question.
My carrier/provider works ONLY over 850MHz: both GSM and UMTS
With my european SE X1 I am getting ONLY GSM/EDGE signal
I have tested 3G with 850MHz phones in my city and I have pick strong 3G signal (not to mention FASST internet ), but again: with the X1i I can't get UMTS service...
i got my x1a from sonystyle.com when it was first released in November.
I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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Without doing a speed test =D maybe you could alter the pic used but I'd have to research more. Haven't themed that much.
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According to Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres, the H+ icon indicates you are on a 3G capable network. I know thats not helpful, but thats Atts answer to your question.
The Atrix SW only uses one icon for 3G connection, no matter whether it's 3G or HSPA. In stock, that's H+, in GingerBlur it's H. I set it to 3G on my modified GingerBlur. Cheating? Maybe.
You can do an H+ icon and push it into GingerBlur's framework-res.apk and replace it on your phone, if you really must have the +.
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
Texasyoungin said:
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
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g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
WiredPirate said:
Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres
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Number noted and applied to restroom walls!
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steevquinn said:
g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
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Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
tehrules said:
Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
NoNameAtAll said:
H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Cool
HSDPA / HSPA same thing, or quoting wikipedia "an amalgamation of HSDPA and HSPUA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
razorseal said:
I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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you won't be truly HSPA+ (H+) until enhanced backhaul has been installed at cell sites in your area.
check the coverage map:
http://www.att.com/network/
click coverage at the bottom and run your cursor over the map of the US. Cities that have had some enhanced backhaul installed will show up as you mouse over them.
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Any 3G connection - normal (UMTS), HSPA or HSPA+, is displayed as:
- H+ in stock
- H in GingerBlur
G is GPRS and E is Edge. For some reason, I don't get Edge here in Singapore. Maybe they don't have it. Or maybe the Atrix doesn't distinguish between G and E anymore in 1.8.3... Or maybe Atrix is incompatible with Edge here. No idea.
I think the classifications of the different connection speeds in Android are a bit dumb.
My Nokia N900 displays, 2G for GPRS, 2.5G for Edge, 3G for UTMS, 3.5G for HSPA (Obviously if it supported HSPA/LTE/WiMax etc, it would display 4G lol) and that makes logical sense to me.
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Go to your dialer and enter *#*#4636#*#*
Then go to Phone information, you should see your Network type there.
I've only seen two network icons in the stock status bar, E and H+ -- but H+ has been used while I'm on HSDPA and HSPA and even UMTS, so it's ultra unreliable, and I've never even seen HSPA+!
And an FYI:
No matter what the 4G coverage areas on the maps and what the mobile network company reps say, there are no true 4G networks in existence today, at least none that honor the original requirements for 4G.
Basically what occurred was that the ITU came up with a standard called 4G, companies falsely marketed 3G technologies as 4G, ITU gave up on the 4G standard, told the mobile network companies that they can keep the now meaningless term, and the ITU then made the IMT-Advanced standard which is what 4G should have been all along. IMT-Advanced solutions are in development, and not yet public.
ChongoDroid said:
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Well, HSPA is just an upgrade to WCDMA = UMTS. So I am not surprised. I do not think you can force your phone to NOT use HSPA but remain on 3G.
If you want 2G only... that is GSM I think.
Was just wondering if the problem had to do with my phone, or just the service. I rarely ever get 3G, I pretty much always get either EDGE or HSPA (in the corner it either shows E or H). Is this just a problem with the 3G available in my area?
Isn't HSPA 3g?
frsh90 said:
Was just wondering if the problem had to do with my phone, or just the service. I rarely ever get 3G, I pretty much always get either EDGE or HSPA (in the corner it either shows E or H). Is this just a problem with the 3G available in my area?
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So you want 3G instead of H?
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frsh90 said:
Was just wondering if the problem had to do with my phone, or just the service. I rarely ever get 3G, I pretty much always get either EDGE or HSPA (in the corner it either shows E or H). Is this just a problem with the 3G available in my area?
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the H is the HSDPA if i remember right. since the HD2 isnt a 4G phone it will have a speed boost from normal 3G but wont hit full 4G. Some builds I have used just dont ever show the 3G. For instance the Glacier aka MyTouch 4G ROM never shows 3G and always has the H which actually is 3G. Im sure there are Sense Roms out there that will show you 3G but if you have the H you shouldnt worry .. Hope this helps
Ohh, okay. Sorry guys I'm new to most of this. I thought there were three symbols I should be seeing : E, 3G, and H. Had no idea there was only E and H. Thanks everybody.
what they are saying isa that H is faster than 3g and better
1g =gprs
2g = edge
3g = umts
3.5g = hspa/hsdpa
3.6g = wimax
4g = lte
Hi guys,
I noticed that 4G (HSPA) drains my batter far more than 3.5G (HSDPA).
I noticed this because all day yesterday I was getting H only not H+ and I noticed my battery drained less than when its primarily connected to H+.
Is there a way to turn off HSPA (4G) but keep HSDPA (3.5G) active?
Thanks.
You are confusing yourself.
HSPA and HSDPA is same thing.
HSDPA = High Speed Downlink Packet Access (Downlink/download part of the HSPA)
HSUPA = High Speed Uplink Packet Access.
HSPA+ = Evolved High Speed Packet Access (faster)
All of these are 3.5G only. Some american carriers like to call HSPA/HSPA+ as 4G but its not.
Basically if network sometimes looses HSPA+ connectivity for short period due to network glitches or as per area sometimes. Thats why you were getting just H and not H+ for short period.
Nothing more to it. Phone is HSPA+ ready so if your network supports it, it will default to HSPA+. You can force it to be in EDGE mode, thats it.
Correct. HSDPA and HSPA+ (what he called 4g) is quite literally in every respect the exact same thing. Literally, they are both 3.5g. The battery drain was likely coincidental. More tests would certainly be needed.
RogerPodacter said:
Correct. HSDPA and HSPA+ (what he called 4g) is quite literally in every respect the exact same thing. Literally, they are both 3.5g. The battery drain was likely coincidental. More tests would certainly be needed.
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Nope, HSDPA and HSPA are the same, as HSPA is just a container name for HSDPA and HSUPA. HSDPA+ is up to 84Mbit and HSDPA is up to 14Mbit.
Hmmm so apparently I cannot seperate HSPA from HSDPA as they are the same thing.
HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA
So does that mean previously the upload rate was not as fast as the download so they introduced HSPA which combines a fast download (HSDPA) with a fast upload (HSUPA)?
Because it appears I can disable HSPA (HSDPA) but dialing *301279# and turning off HSPA which will give me 3G only.
Hey everyone,
When I bought the international version of Samsung Note II, the ad specifically said it would only work with EDGE lacking 3G, LTE capabilities. I know Tmobile is in the process of upgrading their towers to extend their 3G 1900+ coverage.
Funny thing happened today in Los Angeles, USA-- while I was walking my dog near a cellular tower I saw H+ on my phone (hooray no more E!). I immediately ran speedtest and had 16MB download speeds compared to my 200kb Edge. As I walked away from the tower, H+ became H which downloaded @ 7MB.
So were all these claims/scare that the international version of the Note 2 will "never" have 3G/LTE based on baseless assumptions given the lack of release in US? I'm assuming H+ = 4G/LTE?, H = 3G and E = lame.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Hey everyone,
When I bought the international version of Samsung Note II, the ad specifically said it would only work with EDGE lacking 3G, LTE capabilities. I know Tmobile is in the process of upgrading their towers to extend their 3G 1900+ coverage.
Funny thing happened today -- while I was walking my dog near a cellular tower I saw H+ on my phone (hooray no more E!). I immediately ran speedtest and had 16MB download speeds compared to my 200kb Edge. As I walked away from the tower, H+ became H which downloaded @ 7MB.
So were all these claims/scare that the international version of the Note 2 will "never" have 3G/LTE based on baseless assumptions given the lack of release in US? I'm assuming H+ = 4G/LTE?, H = 3G and E = lame.
Let me know what you guys think!
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The International does NOT have LTE.
It does work on AT&T's HSPA+ network and on T-Mobile's EDGE network (2G)
However, if you're in an area where T-Mobile has already refarmed the 1900 MHz spectrum, then you will see HSDPA and HSPA+ speeds from T-Mobile (FauxG). However, in 2013 when T-Mobile starts deploying their LTE, you won't be able to get on that network, however, T-Mobile is planning on refarming the 1900 MHz spectrum for HSPA+ and 3G, so in that regards, if your area already has begun the refarm, then from now onwards you're only going to see more and more places where you pick up HSPA+
ilovejellybean said:
Hey everyone,
When I bought the international version of Samsung Note II, the ad specifically said it would only work with EDGE lacking 3G, LTE capabilities. I know Tmobile is in the process of upgrading their towers to extend their 3G 1900+ coverage.
Funny thing happened today in Los Angeles, USA-- while I was walking my dog near a cellular tower I saw H+ on my phone (hooray no more E!). I immediately ran speedtest and had 16MB download speeds compared to my 200kb Edge. As I walked away from the tower, H+ became H which downloaded @ 7MB.
So were all these claims/scare that the international version of the Note 2 will "never" have 3G/LTE based on baseless assumptions given the lack of release in US? I'm assuming H+ = 4G/LTE?, H = 3G and E = lame.
Let me know what you guys think!
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H+ is not LTE, it's just being marketed by T-mobile and AT&T to be "4G"
H+ = HSPA+
H = HSPA