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Atrix \ Galaxy S2 Comparison

I have prepared this thread to help myself and others compare and contrast the different phones and hopefully come to a decision here. If anyone has anything to add to the comparison that I have missed, please list it and we can get it all chocked up.
For the record. I have only listed something as a "Disadvantage" if I believe that the category is below what we would expect of the average Android.
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Advantages:
ATRIX
Battery Life - This is a big thing for me. I can make my vibrant last through a 14 hour day by crippling every single possible feature. But people here are saying that the Atrix runs solid though 30 hour periods. This is a huge plus for me.
Higher Resolution (even if its fake) - Even though this resolution is fake and can actually cause text to blur, I can say first-hand that I saw the screen in action at a local wal-mart and found it to be acceptable by my standards. I think it may help overall with browsing. The GS2 has a larger screen size, and no pentile matrix display, which could possibly be considered better. This is one that may work out to be a tie.
Tegra 2 - I list this as an advantage not because it is faster, the various benchmarks for either processor seem to be inconclusive at this point. I am listing it as an advantage because it has its own series of games optimized specifically for it, and because Google has chosen to build their framework around tegra 2.
Webtop - I am initially hesitant to even mention this. The phone has a webtop environment, it is most likely Debian Linux and it is said to also be very sluggish. If, in the future, devs gain access to this environment and find ways to optimize it and add in worthy apps such as Chrome and open office, then this will be a massive advantage, but right now it is pretty much just a gimmick.
The webtop interface retains its session when you disconnect it. So you can plug the phone back into another dock and go right back to what you were doing. This is one of the good things about webtop.
Laptop Dock - We all know it is hideously overpriced right now and maybe in the future a cheaper solution will be available. But regardless of how you get the dock, it is an advantage to run your apps in full screen, even if you don't use the sluggish webtop interface and firefox.
The dock charges your phone, but plays sound through your atrix speakers, it has no speakers of it's own, you can answer calls by removing the phone, picking it up on bluetooth or by just yelling at it from behind the laptop. The phone retains its session when you remove it and there is no special unmounting procedure, you just grab it and run.
GALAXY S2
Screen - Bright beautiful and extremely rich. Those who have seen the screen firsthand have claimed that there is nothing like it at all and that it is miles above even the old Super Amoled display. The 4.3 inch size is also a bonus for those of us with large hands. This is probably the best overall feature of the Galaxy S2.
Camera - 8 Megapixels, and 2 megapixel front facing camera. People say that megapixels don't really matter in the long run but the Atrix camera is also said to have a purple wash to it and that the video can be splotchy in certain situations.
Design - Even though it looks way too much like the iPhone, this phone actually looks exceptionally nice. I like the three button design much better than the 4, the search button is pretty useless overall. The thinness of this phone is also amazing if you are into that sort of thing. Naturally it may come down to the US carriers to ruin the design, but by it will likely be summer before that happens.
32GB internal storage - Expect to pay for it, but it is there, you get 64 gigs total with this phone.
Gingerbread - The Atrix won't likely get gingerbread until at least this summer, this phone will have it much sooner if you get the international version coming sometime this quarter.
Gyroscope - This phone has it, do any apps support it? Not sure, but it is there.
NFC - In the off chance that any stores upgrade to NFC this year, you will have the ability to use it. NFC may have other uses that we haven't envisioned yet. It is a protocol, so it can be applied to just about anything. You could potentially set it up to unlock your home, cars could start with it, whatever.
So it has a lot of potential use other than having your money stolen from you.
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Disadvantages:
ATRIX
Bootloader - To sum it up for those not familiar, the phone can be rooted, a custom ROM can be flashed, but the kernel cannot be altered at all. (someone will likely correct me here) but if part or all of the webtop code is contained in the kernel somehow it will be difficult to alter it to add new software or make it run more efficiently. This would be a terrible shame.
I can tell you that Team Whiskey has made my Vibrant browse faster than I have seen in Atrix videos, with half the memory and a single core processor. It is scary to think of what this phone could actually accomplish if Moto decided to allow it.
Motoblur - I read that this requires you to sign up for an account before you can even use the phone. I find it alarming that Motorola has decided to help themselves to all this information and it makes me wonder just exactly what they really have access to and why.
Crippled FM radio - WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY. All of these phones have both transmitters and receivers for FM. So can someone tell me why in god's name anyone would disable them? FM radio has many more uses than just listening to local stations and why again should I have to burn my limited data on
internet radio when there is a receiver right in my phone?
GALAXY S2
Heat - My current Galaxy S runs very hot already, if the screen is active while the phone is being charged it will heat up to what seems to be a very dangerous temperature. The pre-release Galaxy S2 was said to be scorching hot after running with the screen on and the charger active.
Fail File System, Hideous and crippling lag - Update: the galaxy S2 is said to not use RFS. Chock one up for Samsung.
Updates - Samsung has a horrible reputation for updates when working with US carriers, even for new phones. If it was not for this community I would have likely given up on Android and Samsung altogether. Although I know that part of the update delay has been t-mobile, it is also in Samsung's interests to ship out new phones instead of updating their old ones.
Battery Life I have a feeling that Samsung tried to push the limits to get their phone to be as thin as possible and I am worried that they have done so at the expense of battery life. We won't know for sure until it gets in people's hands but I expect the battery life to be subpar.
NO HID Bluetooth Support (possibly) - I have had a black wiimote sitting here for 6 months waiting to connect to my Vibrant. I love emulated classics but action games are near impossible to play with the on-screen kb. So if you want this feature, I would make sure that the GS2 has it first, because it is not likely that it will.
Availability - What it really comes down to now. Unless you want to shell out over 1000 for the phone, you will probably need to wait 5 months from now for any kind of US availability this summer. And don't doubt that those versions will become crippled and even more bloated in the process. But again there is no locked bootloader here.
Ok I think that covers it. Having written all this down, I think I am really leaning more toward the Atrix. There just doesn't seem to be anything else out there now that will be able to match it at the moment. And as you can see, our experience with Samsung has not been exceptional.

Good comparison there. I am also looking at the exact 2 models and thank you very much, looks like Atrix will too be my choice.
I guess I'll get the atrix laptop dock too and prays for the devs here to make it all better. Otherwise, I think its still a good piece of hardware I don't mind owning.

""Samsung's dual-core, Gingerbread-powered Galaxy S II has appeared on Play.co.uk alongside a tentative SIM-free price and release date. According to Play, which is currently taking pre-orders for the phone, it'll ship Mar. 31 for £599.99 (~$960). Pre-release prices are never guaranteed to be accurate and are always subject to change, but £599 seams like a realistic price point for the Galaxy S II, as it's slightly higher than current single-core offerings from other manufacturers.""
Just published at androidcentral. £599.99 (~$960)?? Get a grip..

Not bad, just a couple of things to note that I thought of while reading. First, the screen resolution can be arguable considering the Pentile screen that the Atrix uses. That gives the SGS2 more sub pixels, but then it's a bigger screen, so less (I believe) pixel density still... it's really kind of a toss up, but I think they will both look great. I think the lower resolution and bigger screen on the SGS2 will look just fine with the full 3 subpixels per pixel.
Also, the SGS2 looks nothing like an iPhone. I wish people would stop saying that about every phone that comes out. Apparently every square black phone with a screen is an iPhone now.
And also it's been reported that the SGS2 does not use RFS.

The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.

hotleadsingerguy said:
The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The updates aren't really an issue for people who visit sites like this. I would never rely on Samsung to update my phone. My Captivate has been running 2.2 for ages while they just released the update for everyone else. Yes, Samsung sucks at updating, but the hacking community will always get it done regardless.

I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.

eallan said:
I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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Man_of_Leisure said:
I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I wouldn't mind if the buttons were hardware, thats another debate. I just want all four of them!
The back button is beyond crucial. Maybe back and home should be two hardware with the other capacitive? For symmetry, obviously a concern for samsung .

I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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King Shady said:
I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.

AJerman said:
****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.

SGS2 is apparently RFS-free. Also, some versions will have Tegra2 instead of Exynos - hope this includes us.
People knock Samsung's plastic designs, but they're actually a lot harder to break than the "well-built" iPhone 4.

Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
By looking at my signature, you can see that I just got the Atrix as well, and I love the phone. Amazingly fast, awesome screen (love the higher density and the effect itbhas on the overall experience), and the battery is pretty good too.
I'm seriously thinking about buying the laptop dock, but I don't know how well that will perform, and I haven't seen any live videos of it.
I really like the design and specs of the GS 2, but there are a lot of possible problems holding me back....
Rooted/ROM Captivate (For Sale)
Rooted Atrix

FLAC Vest said:
Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
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Thanks a lot, bro.
I am no engineer and I can't build tools. But I can put a few thoughts together and provide someone with some information.
This is an amazing community and what people do here is outstanding, I just want to do what I can to add to that.

King Shady said:
The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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S2 looks like meizu m9

I have both and a Galaxy S 2 on order
Why? I really liked the Captivate. My plan was to use both but the Atrix is so much more fun to use I'm selling the Captivate. Well, maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday after I removed the SIM card and replaced it, the Atrix went bonkers with freezes and instability issues. After numerous soft resets, two factory resets and replacing the SIM card, SD card and battery a couple of times it seems to be back to normal. I suspect I had reinserted the SIM card incorrectly but maybe there was another issue.
So why would I pay $1000 for the Galaxy S 2? The Captivate was that much fun. Although I'm sure we will be able to do more custom rom's shortly on the Atrix, the Galaxy S 2 sounds like an even bigger blast than either. And boy oh boy does that LG 3D look interesting. But you have to draw the line somewhere.
Here is what the Atrix has that the Captivate does not:
1-better graphics and screen quality, dynamic and vivid visuals, a joy to read and watch (text as well as video quality is sharp and crisp, very clear)
2-more interactive features with outside devices (i.e. computers)
3-interacts more efficiently with e mail, voice and text programs (really like the way it handles multiple incoming calls especially when you are already on one-notification, instructions and directions for handling)(I can now actually use Excel spreadsheets and Word documents) (works well with contacts)
4-updated browser can handle more types of video content and pop up windows better
5-it feels better when you hold and talk or watch or do most anything with it (I did make one call and even though I could hear the other party clearly they could not hear me-I do not what happened.)
My friends all tell me I should get an iphone. I had one for years and the Androids are far more fun. I'll never return. I don't think. LG 3D anyone?

I think Tegra2 is actually a disadvantage for Atrix 4G.
As a new generation dualcore processor, it's early, but not strong.
It's video playback ability of H.264 is limited, but H.264 is currently the most frequently played format.
It has no neon support, big loss on processing power.
Till now Tegra2 has not proven itself in Graphics power. In benchmarks it's no superior to Hummingbird.
However the performance of Mali400MP on GS2 is also questionable, so just wait and see...

hotleadsingerguy said:
The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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+1 great post!

King Shady said:
The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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See, I don't understand that. There is far less plastic on the Captivate than the majority of the phones out there. The front is all glass, and the back is mostly metal. It's only the top and bottom on the back that are plastic, and they have both felt very solid to me since I got the phone on launch day. I came from an iPhone 4 as well, and granted nothing compares to the iPhone 4 in build quality, the Captivate definitely doesn't seem bad at all to me.
As long as you're happy with what you have now though, that's what matters. I just think the Inspire is a bit of a waste of money considering it's lack of power compared to all the other phones coming out now. It feels like it's last generation still. I did play with it a little at the AT&T store though, and it seemed nice. If it had come out last summer with the Captivate (even if it didn't have 4G), I might have gotten it. Now I'm going to wait until a dual core offering I like though.

I feel like I've gotten into a trap I cannot get out of.

Well damn. After getting the Note, it seems like that desire for the SGS3, HTC One X, or whatever new swanky phone with quad cores dies down when I see the lack of a S-pen on these devices. If the Note didn't exist, and if I still owned that awesome SGS2, I would have sold it to get the next powerful device like the HTC One X.
But noooo, now the only thing I look for is the availability of a S-Pen or similar device, and a screen as big as the Note. If it doesn't come with either, I can't seem to get myself to care about it. Anyone else stuck in this strange trap?

I agree with you 100%
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I don't see the specs of SGS3 anywhere.
HTC one X - With a Quad core 1.5 CPU and a Standard battery, Li-Po 1800 mAh. I assume this one's not gonna be a battery friendly device.
With the Note in Hand, I dont see any other options for an upgrade.
Besides, Life with the S-Pen + MMS is fun.

i hate my note
for setting such high standards
i think its going to save me a lot of money
my next phone will have to beat my note

JazonX said:
I don't see the specs of SGS3 anywhere.
HTC one X - With a Quad core 1.5 CPU and a Standard battery, Li-Po 1800 mAh. I assume this one's not gonna be a battery friendly device.
With the Note in Hand, I dont see any other options for an upgrade.
Besides, Life with the S-Pen + MMS is fun.
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HTC is no slouch man. They have been in this for quite a long time and I believe the One X should have decent battery life. It's quite the powerhouse if you put it next to the SGS2, so I'll give it credit where it's due. If the Note didn't exist, the One X would definitely be my next phone.
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for setting such high standards
i think its going to save me a lot of money
my next phone will have to beat my note
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The thing is, which other manufacturer has announced a screen size bigger than 5" for 2012? Or promising a digitizer or wacom pen-thingy?

arungk2 said:
for setting such high standards
i think its going to save me a lot of money
my next phone will have to beat my note
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Note 2 of course

Very true!
arungk2 said:
for setting such high standards
i think its going to save me a lot of money
my next phone will have to beat my note
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I love being trapped, saves me a lot of timing keeping up with all the news about newer and faster devices and having to decide which one to buy next and when. Now i just have to wait for the note2. No hurry btw, love the note a it is.
Now let's just hope no other manufacturer come out with this screen size and making my life complicated again
Sige

The Galaxy Note needs better screen drivers. The rendering of near-black pixels is awful and the S-pen is not as responsive as other devices. But I would not trade it for any other device right now.
The mobile devices are following the steps of the PCs with the MHz race, which lead to CPUs disipating 120W and needing huge and noise fans. I no longer consider the CPU / GPU / 4G radio when examining a new device.
Like in the PC world, it's OK if you're into gaming and want to load the newest games on your device, but for 90% of the people, they won't see the difference between a dual-core and quad-core. (Recently the boys from Gizmodo gave a few Ipad 2 to reviewers saying that they were Ipad 3, and they provided feedback as such).
But a quad-core CPU, multi-core GPU, has it's impact on battery, weight and running temperature. The same that happened on PCs. It stopped making sense once the CPU was dissipating 120 W.
The same for 4G / LTE / Whatever are now talking about that's 1 Gbps. What sense does make a 50 Mps connection when you're limited to 1 or 2 GB a MONTH?
At 50 Mps you can only use the connection 3 MINUTES before reaching your data cap. This is not serious people, this is just marketing buzz for people that's technically illiterate and cannot make the most simple calculations.

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The thing is, which other manufacturer has announced a screen size bigger than 5" for 2012? Or promising a digitizer or wacom pen-thingy?
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Only one I know of, some low end company.
I think everyone else was waiting to see how well the note did before jumping to bigger screens. It makes sense given the number of bad reviews the note gets.
I think now that they hit the 5 million mark, we're going to see a lot more larger phones. I'm not convinced there is a large market for the stylus though.

The only phone that meets my requirements is the Note. I liked the S2, but the Note is a much more versatile device. I'm a photographer, and the Note is a truly photographer-friendly device. My next phone will be a Note 2, and I'm in no hurry for that.
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Tegra 3 it's not a quad-core CPU, it has 5 cores. The fifth core is active when the phone is "sleeping" or with low demanding tasks, in order to save energy. Early reports indicate that One X's battery behaviour is quite good, but none official review is out yet, so it's premature to judge it (unless, of course, you're a samsung fanboy).
I'm going to get a HTC One X in the next 2 weeks, but that doesn't diminuish my urge to get a Galaxy Note. IMO, Note can't be compared to any other phone, it's on a league of it's own. If the biiiig size isn't a problem for you or the issues with the screen, get a Note. It'll do everything One X or SGIII do, only in a BIGGER way!
I won't buy one because I can only have 1 smartphone and for me it's too big for daily use

htc one out in the wild ...hmmm..not that impressed
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2012/03/htc-one-s-for-t-mobile-caught-on-camera/

Just the other day when i was driving in the mud in the forest with my atv, A stick pierced my plastic shield that covers the braking cylinder. I took up my note, Took a picture and sketched on the image how the plastic was attached and what size it was. Sent the picture in like 2 minutes. Got an email back from the workshop that they have cut out that part in metal and was ready to be picked up.
So on my way home from the ATV run i picked up the piece just a couple of hours later and it fits perfectly.
That is the first time i really feelt how awesome the S pen function really was.
Now i might not have needed that part so fast, but it sure was sweet having it done so fast while driving in the woods and with such ease!
Before i even bought this phone i was like wtf do i need a stylus for, Its so Xperia X1 and that phone sucked. But i find it useful atleast a couple days a week!

Feel the same - although for me it's the screen size that keeps me from other devices. Never smaller than 5,3".

myself11 said:
I won't buy one because I can only have 1 smartphone and for me it's too big for daily use
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I thought the Note would be too big for daily use, but I was wrong. You're probably wrong too.

Yep, i need the Spen cause i'm an illustrator. All other phones are just phones.

Vulpix said:
HTC is no slouch man. They have been in this for quite a long time and I believe the One X should have decent battery life. It's quite the powerhouse if you put it next to the SGS2, so I'll give it credit where it's due. If the Note didn't exist, the One X would definitely be my next phone.
The thing is, which other manufacturer has announced a screen size bigger than 5" for 2012? Or promising a digitizer or wacom pen-thingy?
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What!?!
I beg your pardon?
For all I know (I. e. Experience) HTC is well known for their tiny batteries on every device currently! And if specs don't change, even new devices too!
For me battery size and performance is a must and after the Note (screen size and SPen aside) I don't see any device capable of getting me through an entire day on a single charge with heavy use.
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after galaxy S III realized I will post my phone on ebay right away.
Like I always do.

Moandal said:
I thought the Note would be too big for daily use, but I was wrong. You're probably wrong too.
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I know, isn't it ironic that the "it's too big for daily use" argument is put forth mostly by people who have never used it daily?

Galaxy S3 Positive Thread

Sick of reading the prophets of doom and naysayers saying "fail,fail" you've made your point so i guess you wont be buying one then therefore you most likely won't be sticking around these forums then eh!!
This thread is for positive comments only, i for one am delighted with this release it is pretty much what i expected to be honest with a few added surprises, the early review from the Tech Radar website is very positive indeed and i am looking forward to getting this superb phone although it will be a wrench to sell my SGSII but ill have to do so to part fund buying the Galaxy S3,

I am looking forward to the USA announcement and hope they don't change it too much from the international version.

Positive comment:
The Galaxy S III will be nice for someone who is ok with getting uninspired upgrades from last years model and don't care about the negatives such as:
- battery (not 2500mAh like the Note?)
- camera (still the same 8mp camera as the 12 month old SII?)
- screen (same screen as the 6 month old Galaxy Nexus?)
- UI (touchwiz + hardware keys)
- Design (yuck)

ap3604 said:
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The Galaxy S III will be nice for someone who is ok with getting uninspired upgrades from last years model and don't care about the:
- battery fail (not 2500mAh like the Note?)
- camera fail (still the same 8mp camera as the 12 month old SII?)
- screen fail (same screen as the 6 month old Galaxy Nexus?)
- UI fail (touchwiz + hardware keys)
- Design fail (yuck)
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what part of my OP did you not understand take your poxy negativity off this thread and go elsewhere ok

well u must admit the design of a phone really influences ones purchase of said phone. the sgs 3 design really looks bad which is (as i see it) the main reason why a lot of people are so disappointed.
however i think i will still be upgrading to the sgs 3 from my sgs 2. the new hardware + better batter is enough to justify my purchase of the sgs 3. though im pretty sure it wont last me as long as the sgs 2 did which i bought at launch.

They MIGHT change the design for the US, and include an S4 processor for even more battery life!

Definitely an upgrade from the nexus: bigger battery, removable storage and a physical home button (always hit the capacitive home button when pressing space bar).
Hopefully they'll pop in a beastly S4 snapdragon and this comes to Verizon in early June!

I honestly don't believe many people will have a positive thing to say. It's not a very revolutionary phone as the S2 was. The US version will be a S4 snapdragon most likely, I just wish there was a Exynos 5 dual model. Then I may actually get it.

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well u must admit the design of a phone really influences ones purchase of said phone. the sgs 3 design really looks bad which is (as i see it) the main reason why a lot of people are so disappointed.
however i think i will still be upgrading to the sgs 3 from my sgs 2. the new hardware + better batter is enough to justify my purchase of the sgs 3. though im pretty sure it wont last me as long as the sgs 2 did which i bought at launch.
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Ive no problem with the design and personally speaking it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me but each to their own, the 2,100 mAh battery is a big improvement on the current SGSII and that can only be very good news.
Early reviews on various websites are very good indeed, to be honest some people will never be happy and will always find time to complain that is just what some people are like i suppose that is no problem just not on this thread please.

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Positive comment:
The Galaxy S III will be nice for someone who is ok with getting uninspired upgrades from last years model and don't care about the negatives such as:
- battery (not 2500mAh like the Note?)
- camera (still the same 8mp camera as the 12 month old SII?)
- screen (same screen as the 6 month old Galaxy Nexus?)
- UI (touchwiz + hardware keys)
- Design (yuck)
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Jesus, how can anyone say 2100 is a fail when it's one of the best on the market except for the 5.3" note ?
I'm also pissed off about these trolls I mean it isn't anything else it's just blatant off topic trolling, I think I will pm some moderators
Personnally I ike the design and as I said in another thread, from the few videos I've seen it just feels soo responsive and smooth, can't wait for june to get my hands on mine

So,
It's ok for you to troll the 'negative' threads with your 'positive' comments,
But not vice-versa?
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I really really like the design. It's appealing to me.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App

To put it shortly: What a totally freaking awesome phone
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You guys should know by now that whenever a new phone is released. Xda is the place to read all negative aspects of a new device and see pages full of "fail" this and that. Just come back when development starts happening because that's when the trolls are usually gone. For now, I'm going to other forums for discussions.
Btw, if a battery with 2100 mah is horrible, then you loose all credibility. This is the Galaxy S III not the Galaxy Note II.

KaptainRandom said:
So,
It's ok for you to troll the 'negative' threads with your 'positive' comments,
But not vice-versa?
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who is trolling, you ****ing are.
I will be getting in touch with moderators if this continues

these are the positives things one can say about the sgs3 compared to the sgs2 for now.
1 - 720p screen with slightly less saturated colours than previous super amoled screens.
2 - 60% faster gpu
3 - 2100 mha battery.
4 - various software improvements especially to the camera though some not all are a bit gimmicky.
5 - hardware buttons. (i like hardware buttons)
6 - quad core processor.
7 - bluetooth 4.0
8 - up to 64 gigs of internal memory
maybe someone can say more?

the only positive thing about the S3 are its new core apps, i dig them all
stock battery choice is way good vs Nexus Galaxy

Design is in fact the only negative thing I have to say about the S3. I don't mind the plastic feel, the non SAMOLED+ screen (it's HD, I know I won't tell the difference), the fact that it's quad-core or that it's the same awesome 8MP camera (again, more MP does not equal better). In fact, this phone, though only an incremental upgrade over SII, is pretty much everything I was looking for when I heard about the Galaxy Nexus; I was disappointed by the GNex's 5MP camera (needed one to replace my old 8MP point-and-shoot) and non-expandable memory, so I opted for AT&T's cheaper OG SII. The SIII fulfills everything I was initially looking for and adds more. I even like the bigger HD screen. What I don't like is the bigger housing. I think software buttons would have made this my really-want phone, simply because my SII is already a little cumbersome in my pocket with its case (I dare not take off that case, I'm too clumsy). Case is an essential for me regardless of which phone I buy, so as much as I want this phone, it's just too big for practicality for me.
....even then, if I had a contract upgrade (which I don't :/) and AT&T offers it later, so long as they don't royally screw the specs I would seriously consider it, because as I stated before, it's everything I was looking for when I bought my SII: large HD beautiful screen, fast processor, 1 GB ram, expandable memory, awesome camera (annoying shutter lag on SII, so I'm looking forward to SIII), and great battery life (which of course, remains to be seen).

no big things to worth the money, ill skip this gen
S2 does the trick for the next years
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diehard2222 said:
these are the positives things one can say about the sgs3 compared to the sgs2 for now.
1 - 720p screen with slightly less saturated colours than previous super amoled screens.
2 - 60% faster gpu
3 - 2100 mha battery.
4 - various software improvements especially to the camera though some not all are a bit gimmicky.
5 - hardware buttons. (i like hardware buttons)
6 - quad core processor.
7 - bluetooth 4.0
8 - up to 64 gigs of internal memory
maybe someone can say more?
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Indeed asides from the obvious quad core processor,etc the larger capacity battery is a massive plus, battery life is very important for me personally, it took me a good while and many many tweaks to achieve good battery life from my SGSII mostly by freezing all the Samsung bloatware in Titanium backup and ill most likely be doing the same with the Galaxy S3, 64GB of memory with the option of a 64GB Micro SD card too is superb.

[REVIEW - Professional Comparison] Galaxy Note GT-N7000 & GT-N7100

Hello everyone!
Nearly everyone, who is reading this, will own a SAMSUNG Galaxy Note GT-N7000. Our beloved device is a real special phone with many functionalities, other phones doesn't have. But be honest. I am from a more mechanical-technical sector, like from car-planning and constructing.
And one very very important thing about cars is, the first car of a new type, like the new Mercedes A-Class, will have more faults than the last one. That's a proven thing, because over time, the developers change things because of the feedback.
So everyone who owns a Galaxy Note One is kind of a guinea pig or experimental rabbit. Name it as you prefer, but fact is:
Samsung built something from scratch with no feedback at first.
Thats' the FIRST thing why I thought, that I have to buy the Galaxy Note Two.
I fell so deep in love that I thought I must have this device although it's as expensive as three used, but well preserved Note One's.
I spent very much time for searching videos about this telephone and the specifications. I thought the phone is a real MUST HAVE, but after that, I found things that made me thoughtful.
That's why I am opening this thread. Everywhere you can read reviews where people are idolizing the Note 2 and everything that belongs to it. They say it's a real successor and so on. But there are no real objective comparisons between the old and the new one. But at first I want to say, that the Galaxy Note 2 is for sure a real great device and the name successor is partly given right. But not in all situations and circumstances.
Let's begin :
Size of the display and resolution:
Note One: 5,3" with a resolution of 1280x800 pixels, a ratio of 16:10, a density of 285ppi, and uses PenTile-Matrix technology.
Note Two: 5,5" with a resolution of 1280x720 pixels, a ratio of 16:9, a density of 267ppi, and uses normal RGB-matrix.
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> For everyone who don't know the difference between PenTile and normal matrix, please use Wikipedia.
When I heard that the Note 2 has a screen diagonal with 5,5" is was like OMG :cyclops: ! I must have it. After some time, I found out, that the resolution is less than before and so the density shrinks noticeably. I thought that's a minus point, but then I thought OKAY it's a normal RGB matrix so the difference could be acceptable. Then I thought I should compare that in real, so I drove to the next store, where I can play around with the Note 2 and I came to the following conclusion.
The density IS less but you won't notice it really easy. BUT. Yes, there is always a but. The RGB matrix shows a worse picture than the PenTile matrix. I couldn't believe it a first so I checked again with many different pictures. The Note One provides MUCH MUCH MUCH better clearly defined borders and more beautiful colours. Anyone who can't believe this now, check it out by yourself! The other point is, that pictures on the Note Two get some kind of grey stripes in vertical. That won't look nice and doesn't emphasize the potential of such a big screen. Fact is, that borders with a PenTile matrix a looking jagged, but they are clear.
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It's not a RGB matrix, it's a non-striped BGR-matrix. And after some more comparison of the displays, I came to the conclusion, that the screen of the Note 2 is really better. The striped pictures were... I don't know where from. So the screen provides very natural colours and you won't see any bad things to mention. Just test it out by yourself!
Although both phones are not bad, this point goes to the Galaxy Note Two!
Ergonomics (phone itself and also stylus):
The S Pen is an invention that makes sense in every way. It's very comfortable to use it and makes life with our Note's easier most of the time. But the stylus of the first Note is not really good designed. If it's dark it's very hard to find the button on the stylus without holding it near to the display the get some light. With the stylus of the Note 2, there is not such a problem. The side with the button is flat. You will find the button very quick, although you won't look at it and in addition it's very comfortable to hold. Also the bigger size makes it a pleasure to use.
The design of the first Note is a little bit abstract. You need some time to get used to it, but after that, you can use the phone without problems. I know what I am talking about, because I changed from my Samsung Galaxy S2 to the Note. Today I am using my Note without problems also with only one hand. That won't make any problems at all. The buttons have their places and I am used to this phone. BUT... The Note 2 is in this case a real real improvement. The buttons are moved downwards a little bit, so you can reach them also if you are holding the device normal at the lower end. The width of the phone is PERFECT! You can type on the virtual keyboard with no problems AT ALL! So the screen ratio is a big improvement. Also the home button got raised a little bit, so it's easier to push it. Also the round corners make the phone very easy to hold.
Undisputed this point goes to the Galaxy Note Two. (That's also the point I wanted to mention at the beginning with car development.)
Hardware and it's potential:
Note One: 1.4GHz Dual-Core Exynos processor with 1GB RAM and Mali400 GPU
Note Two: 1.6GHz Quad-Core Exynos processor with 2GB RAM and Mali 400GPU
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Most of the hardware components haven't changed since the Note One, but there ARE improvements! The processor changed, the RAM, the Note 2 got Bluetooth version 4, NFC. I won't talk about BT4 and NFC because these are nice features, but commnly not in excessive use, that's why they are not important now. My Note One has nearly the same specs as my Acer 5253 notebook (regarding the processor), so that's not bad. 1GB of RAM is also not bad for Android, BUT it's not the world. It happens very often, that RAM is full very quick and if I juggle between more than four apps like browsing the web, then starting the music player, answering an SMS, reading an E-Mail and making a note, and then coming back to the browser, the phone has to completely reload the app. That can be very annoying. 2GB of RAM are a real enrichment. The processor of the Note One does it's job very good, I would say we should blame Samsung for their interface because of the stuttering sometimes. But the processor of the Note 2 is also a real diamond. It also works really good.
Although the specifications are speaking for the Note Two, that can't be the last consequence. The main difference is, that the Note Two comes with Jelly Bean and "Project Butter". The Note One provides Ice Cream sandwich with no "Project Butter". Also we know, that the memory management of Samsung is not the best, which are causing this stuttering. I don't have any of these problems on CM10 AT ALL! Also most of the apps won't unleash at least the potential of the Note One, so there is no real need for a quad-core processor.
AND there are also some points reagarding the whole phone market. Two years ago, phone's had only single-core processors. Computers already had quad- to octo-core processors. FACT IS that manufacturers were already able to build phones with quad-core processors in 2009, but they didn't because if they use every step, they can achieve more money. THAT'S A FACT! So don't get impressed of horsepowers. What count's is INTEGRITY! I was talking to a Samsung developer of SAMSUNG AUSTRIA and he told me, that the quad-core isn't a real improvement, because information processing get's worse per core. But that's too deep now.
So summarized, more cores are not always more performance.
To be fair, this question ends in a tie.
These three points are the main differences between the Note One and the Note Two.
I WON'T MENTION SOFTWARE-REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM
WILL COME TO THE NOTE ONE IN DECEMBER TO JANUARY.
And also I want to eliminate this common believe about the stylus and HOVERING!
Samsung told us, that the Note Two is able to recognize the stylus, although you are not touching the phone with it. WTH is new here? You can also hover with the stylus on the Note One! Test it out and open the XDA homepage and try to hover over the buttons of the page at the top (Quick Links for example). You will see that it works.
Responses from YOU ALL I want to answer:
Koguchi9 said:
Also you didn't talk about the aspect ratio. Personally 16:9 is only great for videos... Everything else 16:10 is a large improvement.
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I talked about the ratio in ergonomics. The 16:9 ratio is in this way an improvement, because the phone got narrower. It's easier to write on the keyboard, also when you are not used to such a big phone. But in my opinion the 16:10 ratio is WAY BETTER for productivity. I compared the phones also in this way and came to the conclusion, that it depends on what you are doing with the phone. If you use it as a media center, you will love the 16:9 ratio, if you use it for office and productivity like I do, 16:10 is much better. And at the first sight, the Note One's screen looker bigger although that's not true. Only because is wider. Proven.
andrekua said:
Hovering in Note 1 does nothing, but if you hover long enough with Note 2, it will load the menu. While I'm not sure whether it is configurable, the hovering works better in Note 2 due to its higher sensitivity.
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YOU ARE RIGHT! The S Pen and the stylus recognition is much higher, the Note Two will detect the stylus earlier than the Note One, but both are able to hover something. And AirView and all the features of the Note Two are ONLY software features. I said, that I don't want to mention them because the Note One will get them soon.
msedek said:
You forgot about the 3100mah battery... Slow/fasf motion/burst mode built in camera(0 shutter lag) , and the better audio DAC.
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Yeah, I forgot that! The battery is very big, that's super for using your phone during the day. Some people already tested the battery and some mean you have more actove-time now, but that's partly a myth. The Note Two NEEDS the bigger battery because the RGB matrix has more subpixels to light. They display needs more power. But its true, the battery as blazing strong! More screen-on-time than I need ! And yes, the camera is faster now. The burst mode is a very attractive feature, like the Zeroshutter-Lag. I know much people like these features, I don't care about that, so I'd forgotten to integrate that into my post. FACT ist also, that the Note Two makes more natural pictures, while the Note One's pics are more yellow. And really I can't tell any difference in Audio Output/Input, so thanks for this information!
ChodTheWacko said:
I've had the Note 2 for a couple of weeks, and formerly owned the Note 1 since launch day. (roughly a year). I do want to ask the OP - do you actually have one? Or are you just going by specs?
Here's my supplement to your review, based on my experience of using the note 2 so far.
*) Notification light. At last. and you can customize the colors with lightflow.
*) it sure is nice that the microsd card isn't blocked by the battery.
*) Signifigantly louder speaker.
I find it very hard to find anything to complain about with regards to the Note 2. The only thing that comes to mind is that the USB port is weird, and some USB cables don't stay in well.
The only other major annoyance is JB's fault - that you can't use Apps2SD anymore. DirectoryBind is almost a requirement now if you play huge 1-2 Gig games on the 16GB note. (which only has 10 gig of app data space). That means rooting your phone (which I did, so I'm fine).
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At first I want to especially thank your for your enlargement of this comparison! And I'm sorry of cutting your post, but therwise my post would get to long. So no, I don't have a Note Two but I really wanted to buy it and I spent much time playing around with one in a shop, so I tested everything in real. And the first point is also for me very interesting, the notification light! IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENT! I like it, that the Note Two has a notification light. Really! It's also nice, that you can change your microSD card, but in my case, that doesn't matter, I will tell you at the end of my answer why, because it could be also interesting for everybody here. And the louder speaker. As I already mentioned before I didn't know that, but it looks like the Note 2 has really a little bit better sound processing. And you are also right with the USB cable. It's not possible anymore to use old MHL-Connectors for example. They will fail. If thhe new pin configuration of the USB port was neccessary or only a new marketing gag... I don't know.
And regarding your space problem. I have also the 16GB version of the Note One. As I am using Google Play, my space can shrink very fast because I want to keep the music on my card in the cache. THE PROBLEM IS: Google Music only uses the internal memory, as also games does.
Here is the solution for you:
In system/etc/ there is a file called vold.fstab this file configurates the mounting points of your storages. You can simple change the mounting points of the microSD card and the internal memory and they are swapped with no disadvantages. That makes sense because I am using a 64GB microSD card and now my phone hast 64GB INTERNAL MEMORY. For detailed instructions, please PM me.
abhinav quietly brilliant said:
i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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That's vice versa. The Note One has 1.9MP in front. But I don't think that this is a real improvement.
Thank you all for your answers and questions!
SUMMARY ON PAPER:
The Galaxy Note Two is a beautiful device and makes some faulty things of the Note One better. The handling is a pleasure and the stylus is a big improvement. All the other changes are only a product of the progressing time. THIS CHANGES HAVE TO BE! Otherwise people say it's old. Yeah, humanity is very very stupid. If you have the chance to get the Note Two very cheap, I would say you should take it. Otherwise STAY with your beloved Note One. It's a great device and also in two years it will be. I also made my decision and came to the conclusion that I will keep my Note One.
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SUMMARY IN REALLIFE:
So. After some phone calls and much time spent on searching good offers, I got a Galaxy Note Two now for nearly nothing more than a Note One. I will sell my Note One in one week. I have the Note Two now for 5 hours and there are some things, that differ from the summary on paper. At first, the screen is beautiful, although sometimes you can see those grey stripes, I talked about. The screen ratio is WONDERFUL for playing around. Steering works brilliant on the Note 2. But anyway, productivity apps will be circumcised because of the new format. The external speaker is really good. Playing music with it sound very nice. Also deeper sound frequencies are now with more power. The battery is really good. I am playing around now with the display all time on for four hours, making phone calls and using Google Play streaming some tracks, battery fell from 90% to 78%! That's more than fine. And I like those software features. Although they are not neccessary to mention, they are cool to use. The stylus is very comfortable to use, as I already told you. The design is cool, I like it really, I like also the button very much. The home button is a small thing but it makes navigation very nice. Also I like the glass very much. So the design is TOP! The camera is brilliant. Fast in any way. And the rest of the phone also. But that's now only the felt summary. The real one is in between of felt and paper summary!
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I hope I can clarify all the questions around this thorny topic.
If there are any other questions, please post it.
If they are important, I will include them in this post!
I am from Austria and English is not my native language.
I am feeling very sorry for my language rape !
If this is helpful or informative for you please hit the Thanks-button.
Best regards,
Gerhard

Nice comparison/Review dude

Nice comparison Gerhard.
I haven't had a chance to play with a Note 2 yet, however the biggest thing that would put me off upgrading is the lower screen resolution. It may be slightly bigger, but the drop in res and aspect ratio is disappointing.

I see no compelling reason to upgrade either. Happy to wait for the next generation Note or whatever other wondrous thing Samsung or Google have to offer in a year or so.
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Nice comparison.. Once the note 1 gets the JB update we will then get a true sense of how much an update the note 2 is.
Also you didn't talk about the aspect ratio. Personally 16:9 is only great for videos... Everything else 16:10 is a large improvement.

There are some minor differences. Hovering in Note 1 does nothing, but if you hover long enough with Note 2, it will load the menu. While I'm not sure whether it is configurable, the hovering works better in Note 2 due to its higher sensitivity. You have to hover near to the screen with Note 1 but with Note 2, it was at least twice the distance (or possibly more, I did not measure).
The rest would have to rely on how much updates Samsung are willing to provide for Note 1 Jelly Bean updates.

You forgot about the 3100mah battery... Slow/fasf motion/burst mode built in camera(0 shutter lag) , and the better audio DAC.
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I've had the Note 2 for a couple of weeks, and formerly owned the Note 1 since launch day. (roughly a year).
I do want to ask the OP - do you actually have one? Or are you just going by specs?
Here's my supplement to your review, based on my experience of using the note 2 so far.
Pros:
1) I have to admit, the note 2 is more comfortable to hold. Part of it is that it is less wide, but the corners are also rounder and it doesn't jab into your palm as much. Biggest surprise for me.
2) The s-pen is much nicer to hold, and the button easier to find and push. The CPU also makes the pen more responsive. This is a rather big deal if you are a s-pen user.
3) The hardware s-pen switch is quite nice. You can pull the pen out, scribble on the s-memo, and put the pen back in. S-memo automatically opens and closes, making the final result a LOT like pen and paper. Also, having the 'you forgot your s-pen' alert is REALLY nice.
4) The Note 2 is really really responsive. I don't know if it's a factor of the faster CPU, faster GPU, 2 Gig of memory, and/or JB. It's probably all of them together. I thought the note 1 was great, but the note 2 is just insane.
5) Notification light. At last. and you can customize the colors with lightflow.
6) Bigger battery is GREAT. I can't wait to see what the Mugen extended battery is - 6700 mah? gulp.
7) it sure is nice that the microsd card isn't blocked by the battery.
8) Side note on the memory - 2 gig over 1 gig, for me, is a huge deal. After bootup, I only have 1.1 gig memory left. That's with a custom rom that stripped out all the bloatware.
9) NFC - don't really use it to be honest
10) Bluetooth 4 - should save power over BT 3.
11) Signifigantly louder speaker
12) Much better sound chip.
13) Minor thing, but the Note charges a fair bit faster. It's a bigger battery, but stock charger is a 2A charger.
14) bigger screen, but only slightly - 4%. I quickly got used to the 16:9. It's not THAT different from 16:10 in day to day use. It's not like you went from 4:3 to 16:9 or anything. I still believe that using a standard resolution is a good thing in the long run, but that's just me.
15) Gorilla glass 2. I'm not sure if it's a big deal in the long run, as they might have just made the glass thinner to compensate for the extra strength.
16) Power button isn't so close to the corner, so you aren't accidentally hitting it so much.
17) Apparently no black crush.
There are, of course, the numerous software improvements that may or may not make it to the Note 1.
I'll list them for completeness, but they can be considered 'short term' improvements in the Note 2.
A) multi view
B) smart view (i.e. auto-rotate doesn't drive you crazy when you are lying down)
C) JB in general I guess
D) air view
for starters. Those I use all the time.
In short - I really loved my Note 1 but I recognized that it had lots of little annoyances/quirks.
I just accepted them, knowing that the original note was a brave new step into unknown territory.
The note 2 pretty much wiped out every single complaint I had about the Note 1, and made everything I liked about the Note 1 maybe 20% better. I find it very hard to find anything to complain about with regards to the Note 2. The only thing that comes to mind is that the USB port is weird, and some USB cables don't stay in well.
The only other major annoyance is JB's fault - that you can't use Apps2SD anymore. DirectoryBind is almost a requirement now if you play huge 1-2 Gig games on the 16GB note. (which only has 10 gig of app data space). That means rooting your phone (which I did, so I'm fine).
So for me the Note 2 was well worth the money. I had definitely really maxed out my note though, having about 300 apps/widgets on it.
If you're a lighter user, then it's a tougher call.
- Frank

Silberpfeil3110 and ChodTheWacko...Thanks for the detailed comparision...
I have been using note since last Dec and I agree that there are few things which are annoying and could be changed...
Haven't played with Note 2 yet but its on my wishlist

Shrink said:
I see no compelling reason to upgrade either. Happy to wait for the next generation Note or whatever other wondrous thing Samsung or Google have to offer in a year or so.
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me too. It's just not worth the money for me to upgrade to note 2 when I don't even play video games on my phone. Mainly just surfing the internet, and my note 1 is really good enough for that right now.
We'll save alot of money by waiting as always. Hell, in one year, we'll probably have the note 3.

DPMAce said:
me too. It's just not worth the money for me to upgrade to note 2 when I don't even play video games on my phone. Mainly just surfing the internet, and my note 1 is really good enough for that right now.
We'll save alot of money by waiting as always. Hell, in one year, we'll probably have the note 3.
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He he, that long, the way Samsung churn there phones out your be reading about note 4's this time next year.
I tend to agree that there is just not anything that pulls me towards sending £200 on top of the sale of my note 1, I have used both side by side, and am happy with my note 1. I know people seem to think the screen width doesn't mater, for me I found the note 2 annoying, love the width of the note 1, but then I'm not a movie watcher.
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yeah really. Hell, in 6 months, if I really want the note 2, I could probably buy it used for a good price because someone will be looking to upgrade to something else like s4

i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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Koguchi9 said:
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I've had the Note 2...
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i guess the note 2...
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THANK YOU for your information!
I have edited the opening post and integrated your questions and answers!
Best regards

abhinav quietly brilliant said:
i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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Trust me, the Note 1 front facing camera is total BS.
S3 and Note 2 front facing camera is way superior.

Silberpfeil3110 said:
The Note Two NEEDS the bigger battery because the RGB matrix has more subpixels to light. They display needs more power. Of you compare the Note One and Note Two, you will find out, that the display-on-time is nearly the same. Of course if you are listening to music and the display is off all the time, the Note Two will last longer.
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As a Note 1 user for a year, and having now had my Note 2 for a few weeks, I can say that for my usage patterns, which are quite heavy, the Note 2's battery life blows the Note 1's out of the water.
Put simply, on my Note 1, I would regularly get 5 to 6 hours worth of screen-on time on my phone from a single charge, whereas on my Note 2 is is more like 9 to 10 hours screen-on - that is in excess of a 50% improvement and means I haven't ever felt the need to carry around a 2nd
battery with my Note 2 (even though I have a couple) whereas I would not leave home without a spare for my Note 1.
I was never unhappy with the battery life on my Note 1, but on my Note 2 the battery life is quite literally epic in comparison!
The only thing I honestly miss about my Note 1 is the 16:10 aspect ratio, because I do use remote desktop and Citrix apps from time to time on my phone, and you do miss those extra 80 pixels in that scenario. However, in every other respect, the Note 2 is a vastly superior device to the Note 1, and I loved my Note 1! (Technically, I still love it as I've kept it as a backup device!)
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Put simply, on my Note 1, I would regularly get 5 to 6 hours worth of screen-on time on my phone from a single charge, whereas on my Note 2 is is more like 9 to 10 hours screen-on - that is in excess of a 50% improvement and means I haven't ever felt the need to carry around a 2nd
battery with my Note 2 (even though I have a couple) whereas I would not leave home without a spare for my Note 1.
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This is the biggest load of crock I've ever read in a while.
If you use your phone under normal conditions, there is no way in hell you're going to get a screen on time of 6 hours on the Note 1 or 9-10 hours on the Note 2.

PoisonWolf said:
This is the biggest load of crock I've ever read in a while.
If you use your phone under normal conditions, there is no way in hell you're going to get a screen on time of 6 hours on the Note 1 or 9-10 hours on the Note 2.
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Thanks for telling me that what I experience for a fact is a "crock", but then again you know exactly what I do with my phone day in day out and so obviously are extremely well qualified to tell me how much screen-on time I get? I hadn't noticed that I have attracted a stalker!
I clearly must be very confused, and I'm simply imagining that my phone is still operational when it isn't.
I have no reason whatsoever to lie, so I'll just go on enjoying my 9-10 hour battery life along with plenty of other Note 2 users, and you can go on believing whatever "crock" you wish.
For those more reasoned souls, take a trip over to the Note 2 forums and ask around.
Regards,
Dave

ChodTheWacko said:
After bootup, I only have 1.1 gig memory left. That's with a custom rom that stripped out all the bloatware.
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That was actually the piece of information I was looking for and about to ask about it on SGN2 board.
I have to say the JB memory usage must be significantly higher than ICS. It suggests the Project Buttler is an in-memory caching system to require memory.
Did you remove much from /system/app for house cleaning or just user applications? I'm thinking Samsung features also taking up a good portion of the memory providing the custom ROM you mentioned shipped with the original Samsung Features. Could you clarify that please?
@all users
You should know that if you intend to purchase JB devices it must support 2GB ram at least to be future-proof and not to choke after opening a couple of applications.

I am an ordinary user of my phone with a lot of spen usage during ward rounds. Keep my reference books on my phone. Do a hell lot of browsing and watch movies and music. I dont really need a powerhouse coz most of what i need is already in my note 1. Though i use the camera a lot and would have upgraded if there was a bigger camera. Some features in the note 2 are just not for me. Like air view i only use spen for taking notes or drawing. Dont use it to scroll things on my phone. So a useless feature for me. Multi view is also useless because u dont have enough space to open the messaging and read an email altogether coz the keyboard takes half the screen so another gimmick.
0 shutter lag thing is dealt by the fastburst camera.
Spen indicator or alarm thing. If ur reaponsible u wont loose ur stylus.
People who play hd games should definitely go for note 2. But ppl like ua ahould atick to our devices.
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Want to buy note 4

Hello guys. İ want to buy note 4.
Whixh edition do you suggest?
Sdragon or exynos?
And can you tell me pros and cons for phone? İ read reviews buy i want real users feedback.
Do you suggest it for today? 2016 april.

Yes, I completely suggest it for today, in this time, especially the price is pretty cheap now.
Pros for me:
- Great camera in daylight, above average in low light
- Incredible display
- Superb call quality
- Very good built, though the metal edges will scratch in no time, but that's metal for you
- TouchWiz is okay-ish. Not bad, but not that good either, but with MM released things will get better I am sure
- Excellent battery backup, with MM
Cons:
- Samsung's shoddy update policy for different variants
- Camera in low light, can't compete in that level with nowadays phones like S7, Note 5 etc., but its still close
- Rear mounting speaker!
- Screen to body ratio
- Meh Fingerprint scanner
PS: You can go for either model, Exy or SD, both have very good support from XDA. I heard that Exynos is better for gaming, while SD is better for overall optimisation and battery life, can't be sure about that myself as I only have one variant, SD.

İ didnt understand update part. What about front camera?
İ am using nexus 5 , is it worth upgrade? And how much it cost now?
ithehappy said:
Yes, I completely suggest it for today, in this time, especially the price is pretty cheap now.
Pros for me:
- Great camera in daylight, above average in low light
- Incredible display
- Superb call quality
- Very good built, though the metal edges will scratch in no time, but that's metal for you
- TouchWiz is okay-ish. Not bad, but not that good either, but with MM released things will get better I am sure
- Excellent battery backup, with MM
Cons:
- Samsung's shoddy update policy for different variants
- Camera in low light, can't compete in that level with nowadays phones like S7, Note 5 etc., but its still close
- Rear mounting speaker!
- Screen to body ratio
- Meh Fingerprint scanner
PS: You can go for either model, Exy or SD, both have very good support from XDA. I heard that Exynos is better for gaming, while SD is better for overall optimisation and battery life, can't be sure about that myself as I only have one variant, SD.
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Ehmedhemidli said:
İ didnt understand update part. What about front camera?
İ am using nexus 5 , is it worth upgrade? And how much it cost now?
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I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
Note 4 32 gigs cost around 32-33k INR here, but very often it sells around 30k or something.

Then i will go for note 4. And there is on more same price phone galaxy s6. İ dont know s6 is good too or not. İ hrard battery life is bad on s6
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I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
Note 4 32 gigs cost around 32-33k INR here, but very often it sells around 30k or something.
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Both snap and exynos are powerfull. But in fact, through a lot of benchmark, exynos is better than snap, but just alittle bit. I'm also use the exynos version too. If you want to play game, should buy snap version. And if u want something for work, exynos is great.
P/s: one more thing u should no, exynos version is cooler than snap, snap is too hot after using for a while, and the battery of exynos version also better than snap version. Hope that you buy the phone suit for u.

ithehappy said:
I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
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Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
Now for our friend's question. as u can see i allready own a nexus 5 like you, and i bought a N910c (thats the exynos) about 2 months ago. I DIDNT got this as a replacement for nexus,as the matter of fact i use it without sim. anyway my previous samsung device was back in 2012 with the NOTE 10.1 wifi... well after this i swore to myself that i wont buy a samsung again. But here i am after 4 years breaking that promise with spending 400euros to a piece of.......... imnot going to analyse this, do a better research to have lower chances to regret a purchase.(not like me)
My personal advice is to do your self a favor and dont buy this device or perhaps any mobile device from that company. -not for the hardware but for the software.-
and for your info nexus 5 runs way smoother than the exynos. maybe the snapdragon would be a better choice if u insist buying the note

lekou said:
Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
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Shouldn't bother replying to a person who would prefer a decade old phone over a newer one, but still replying just so someone "new" and "uninformed" can actually see what Nexus 5 really is.
By nightmarish hardware I meant:
- It is one of the most awfully built device out there. Kudos LG.
- The call quality of the phone is awful, as well as the reception. I have never had a phone with as terrible reception as that, and please don't even bother wasting your time by saying I live in an industrial area or something where reception is poor, rather its very opposite.
- The display. No comments.
- The camera. No comments.
- The external speakerphone. No comments.
Shall I go on?
Nexus is Nexus because of its SOFTWARE ONLY, period, and no exception is Nexus 5.

lekou said:
Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
Now for our friend's question. as u can see i allready own a nexus 5 like you, and i bought a N910c (thats the exynos) about 2 months ago. I DIDNT got this as a replacement for nexus,as the matter of fact i use it without sim. anyway my previous samsung device was back in 2012 with the NOTE 10.1 wifi... well after this i swore to myself that i wont buy a samsung again. But here i am after 4 years breaking that promise with spending 400euros to a piece of.......... imnot going to analyse this, do a better research to have lower chances to regret a purchase.(not like me)
My personal advice is to do your self a favor and dont buy this device or perhaps any mobile device from that company. -not for the hardware but for the software.-
and for your info nexus 5 runs way smoother than the exynos. maybe the snapdragon would be a better choice if u insist buying the note
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My nexus 5 is in very nad condition (glass broken, frame got big cracks, back cover damaged) battery life is 1.2-2 hours of on screen. Camera is very bad. İ cant take proper pictures.
And yes İt is smoother

sontran_vietnam said:
Both snap and exynos are powerfull. But in fact, through a lot of benchmark, exynos is better than snap, but just alittle bit. I'm also use the exynos version too. If you want to play game, should buy snap version. And if u want something for work, exynos is great.
P/s: one more thing u should no, exynos version is cooler than snap, snap is too hot after using for a while, and the battery of exynos version also better than snap version. Hope that you buy the phone suit for u.
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İ use phone taking photos, heavy use of messenger and facebook, whatsapp, chrome. Sometimes gaming.
Actually my nexus 5 will stay . i wont sell it.
İ will buy new note 4 exynos or whatever for daily use. Nexus 5 will be always like testing roms improving developing skills

Ehmedhemidli said:
İ use phone taking photos, heavy use of messenger and facebook, whatsapp, chrome. Sometimes gaming.
Actually my nexus 5 will stay . i wont sell it.
İ will buy new note 4 exynos or whatever for daily use. Nexus 5 will be always like testing roms improving developing skills
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Note 4 Exynos will be the best choice you can have, it's better than Snap one. ^^

Ehmedhemidli said:
Hello guys. İ want to buy note 4.
Whixh edition do you suggest?
Sdragon or exynos?.
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I would say you should wait until the Note 6 or 7. Or whatever comes next.
This one is still very expensive, and will not get any support whatsoever from now on.
It's a good device, NOW, but it costs so much you could just buy a Nexus 6P for example.
Or a Z5, M10, whatever. You get the point.
BUT, if you are some fanboy, here goes nothing...
Sdragon:
+ Faster 3D performance, better for gaming basically.
+ More roms/kernels. (though none of them will be as complete as stock)
Exynos:
+ Better battery life
+ Faster 2D performance
+ Faster performance (single, multi core)
- Games have crap framerates, see below.
I picked Exynos because I rarely play games.
If you check comparisons on Youtube, it beats Snapdragon by miles in any task, except 3D.
Framerate: Like Asphalt got... 20 or something it's real console like (eww). Modern Combat is also around 25 or so.
Too bad games on Android cannot scale down to 1080p or 720p, there is absolutely no point in having such a huge resolution for a game.
Other points - affects all Note 4:
Screen protectors are hard to find, you have to buy these "full display protectors", because of the curved glass. Just buy it on eBay and you are good.
Do NOT spend too much on cases. I bought Spigen, I bought all kinds of fancy cases. And guess what? The cheapest eBay case is the best. Not even kidding.
Metal cases, even if ONLY the frame is metal/aluminium, WILL BLOCK GPS signal. Not kidding.
When buying a case, make sure it protects the camera bulge.
Cases should have a WIDE left hole on bottom, because the microphone there can be on two positions. Mine is on the right. (SM-N910C)
No updates. MM is the last, we all know that. Even MM will take months to arrive to people.
There is no Theme Store or any new features that came with S6 and so on.
Battery life is not the best, it's around 1 days.
Bonus, you can use extended batteries. But then you lose the thinness of the device, which helps a lot when you carry it around. I have a ZL 10k mAh pack with the belt clip, it's a hassle to use.
Rooting is out of question if you want warranty. And all my Samsung Galaxy/Note devices had issues within the two first years, so I suggest you don't do it. Or get some nice insurance on your device, that might cover you. Or just save up some money, lol.
The list: S3 LTE, Note 2, S4, S4 Mini, Note 2014 10.1, Note 4.
One more thing. You may be able to buy the Snapdragon variant much cheaper. It's around 470$ here, but it's from the "gray market". It's boxed, new, but they only offer repairs by themselves, like you don't send it back to Samsung, but to the shop you bought it from.
Compared to this, the Exynos is 700$ or so. But this one comes with 2 years of original Samsung warranty.
Again, it's not the best solution, but there is a good chance you will not need a warranty repair.

h8Aramex said:
I would say you should wait until the Note 6 or 7. Or whatever comes next.
This one is still very expensive, and will not get any support whatsoever from now on.
It's a good device, NOW, but it costs so much you could just buy a Nexus 6P for example.
Or a Z5, M10, whatever. You get the point.
BUT, if you are some fanboy, here goes nothing...
Sdragon:
+ Faster 3D performance, better for gaming basically.
+ More roms/kernels. (though none of them will be as complete as stock)
Exynos:
+ Better battery life
+ Faster 2D performance
+ Faster performance (single, multi core)
- Games have crap framerates, see below.
I picked Exynos because I rarely play games.
If you check comparisons on Youtube, it beats Snapdragon by miles in any task, except 3D.
Framerate: Like Asphalt got... 20 or something it's real console like (eww). Modern Combat is also around 25 or so.
Too bad games on Android cannot scale down to 1080p or 720p, there is absolutely no point in having such a huge resolution for a game.
Other points - affects all Note 4:
Screen protectors are hard to find, you have to buy these "full display protectors", because of the curved glass. Just buy it on eBay and you are good.
Do NOT spend too much on cases. I bought Spigen, I bought all kinds of fancy cases. And guess what? The cheapest eBay case is the best. Not even kidding.
Metal cases, even if ONLY the frame is metal/aluminium, WILL BLOCK GPS signal. Not kidding.
When buying a case, make sure it protects the camera bulge.
Cases should have a WIDE left hole on bottom, because the microphone there can be on two positions. Mine is on the right. (SM-N910C)
No updates. MM is the last, we all know that. Even MM will take months to arrive to people.
There is no Theme Store or any new features that came with S6 and so on.
Battery life is not the best, it's around 1 days.
Bonus, you can use extended batteries. But then you lose the thinness of the device, which helps a lot when you carry it around. I have a ZL 10k mAh pack with the belt clip, it's a hassle to use.
Rooting is out of question if you want warranty. And all my Samsung Galaxy/Note devices had issues within the two first years, so I suggest you don't do it. Or get some nice insurance on your device, that might cover you. Or just save up some money, lol.
The list: S3 LTE, Note 2, S4, S4 Mini, Note 2014 10.1, Note 4.
One more thing. You may be able to buy the Snapdragon variant much cheaper. It's around 470$ here, but it's from the "gray market". It's boxed, new, but they only offer repairs by themselves, like you don't send it back to Samsung, but to the shop you bought it from.
Compared to this, the Exynos is 700$ or so. But this one comes with 2 years of original Samsung warranty.
Again, it's not the best solution, but there is a good chance you will not need a warranty repair.
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Whoa thanks for information. Look note 4 exynos is 430 dollar for us i think. İ cant wait for note 6 7 because they will be more expensive. And there is one more option to buy galaxy s6 (same price) . i hate sony devices same for htc.
My love is for nexus and samsung. 6p is expensive too.
Right now i got this choices(i am limited on money) (i will buy phone in july)
Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro 3gb
Galaxy Note 4 exynos
Galaxy s6
İ need battery peeformance , camera, multitasking . i dont care about games anyway (i got nexus 5 i can play games on them)
İ dont care about roms too.
Ao which choice should i take?

Ehmedhemidli said:
Whoa thanks for information.
Right now i got this choices(i am limited on money) (i will buy phone in july)
Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro 3gb
Galaxy Note 4 exynos
Galaxy s6
Ao which choice should i take?
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Well, update wise, anything is better than Samsung. (Just check Sammobile's comment section.)
Uhm... I would not buy a Xiaomi because of the bloated interface. That's the problem I have with Lenovo and other Chinese/cheap eastern devices. Like Lenovo put 4gb of ram into their device, made it very affordable, and killed it with a megabighuge UI. I don't know why.
What about the LG G4? (G5 is way too expensive.)
Flagships there receive updates for quite some time, and it's got a removable battery.
Just asking. Don't know about the SD808 performance.
By the way Sony used SD801 Pro in their Z3 series and that thing flies. It feels faster than my Exynos Note 4.
Again if you don't mind the no updates, you might be fine with the Note 4.
Remember years are A LOT of time in the smartphone world, especially if it's not a Nexus that gets updates, can be rooted, can be modded tons of ways.
There are a few roms for Exynos as well if you check the forum - mostly backported Note 5 ones, but I can't remember when was the time I ever used a stable rom. Maybe CM9 with the stable release - was kinda stable. But that's it. To me, it's a big letdown.
Like I am on the street, I have to make an emergency call, and I can't make calls.
I am on the road, need to make a quick map check, but can't because there is no GPS atm.
Want to browse some website real quick, it would be real important, can't because the mobile data is down currently.
And these happened at the most inconvenient times.
Ps.: If you are not real tech savvy, like my father, he is fine on KK. There is a newer update for his device, but on LL the call recorder crashed sometimes, phone lagged, etc. But he does not care, you know, he is totally fine with KK.

h8Aramex said:
Well, update wise, anything is better than Samsung. (Just check Sammobile's comment section.)
Uhm... I would not buy a Xiaomi because of the bloated interface. That's the problem I have with Lenovo and other Chinese/cheap eastern devices. Like Lenovo put 4gb of ram into their device, made it very affordable, and killed it with a megabighuge UI. I don't know why.
What about the LG G4? (G5 is way too expensive.)
Flagships there receive updates for quite some time, and it's got a removable battery.
Just asking. Don't know about the SD808 performance.
By the way Sony used SD801 Pro in their Z3 series and that thing flies. It feels faster than my Exynos Note 4.
Again if you don't mind the no updates, you might be fine with the Note 4.
Remember years are A LOT of time in the smartphone world, especially if it's not a Nexus that gets updates, can be rooted, can be modded tons of ways.
There are a few roms for Exynos as well if you check the forum - mostly backported Note 5 ones, but I can't remember when was the time I ever used a stable rom. Maybe CM9 with the stable release - was kinda stable. But that's it. To me, it's a big letdown.
Like I am on the street, I have to make an emergency call, and I can't make calls.
I am on the road, need to make a quick map check, but can't because there is no GPS atm.
Want to browse some website real quick, it would be real important, can't because the mobile data is down currently.
And these happened at the most inconvenient times.
Ps.: If you are not real tech savvy, like my father, he is fine on KK. There is a newer update for his device, but on LL the call recorder crashed sometimes, phone lagged, etc. But he does not care, you know, he is totally fine with KK.
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İ am confused.
Look. İ need bigger screen.
1 day full battery life (i charge it night, leave gome morning come back home night)
Camera quality
Multitasking without lag
İ dont care bloats or kitkat lollipop small bugs.
There is no phone with bugs anyway

Ehmedhemidli said:
İ am confused.
Look. İ need bigger screen.
1 day full battery life (i charge it night, leave gome morning come back home night)
Camera quality
Multitasking without lag
İ dont care bloats or kitkat lollipop small bugs.
There is no phone with bugs anyway
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Probably get a note 4 exynos and don't upgrade it, stay at kitkat 4.4.x

yesteryearisoverhere said:
Probably get a note 4 exynos and don't upgrade it, stay at kitkat 4.4.x
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Thanks. That will do