I have prepared this thread to help myself and others compare and contrast the different phones and hopefully come to a decision here. If anyone has anything to add to the comparison that I have missed, please list it and we can get it all chocked up.
For the record. I have only listed something as a "Disadvantage" if I believe that the category is below what we would expect of the average Android.
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Advantages:
ATRIX
Battery Life - This is a big thing for me. I can make my vibrant last through a 14 hour day by crippling every single possible feature. But people here are saying that the Atrix runs solid though 30 hour periods. This is a huge plus for me.
Higher Resolution (even if its fake) - Even though this resolution is fake and can actually cause text to blur, I can say first-hand that I saw the screen in action at a local wal-mart and found it to be acceptable by my standards. I think it may help overall with browsing. The GS2 has a larger screen size, and no pentile matrix display, which could possibly be considered better. This is one that may work out to be a tie.
Tegra 2 - I list this as an advantage not because it is faster, the various benchmarks for either processor seem to be inconclusive at this point. I am listing it as an advantage because it has its own series of games optimized specifically for it, and because Google has chosen to build their framework around tegra 2.
Webtop - I am initially hesitant to even mention this. The phone has a webtop environment, it is most likely Debian Linux and it is said to also be very sluggish. If, in the future, devs gain access to this environment and find ways to optimize it and add in worthy apps such as Chrome and open office, then this will be a massive advantage, but right now it is pretty much just a gimmick.
The webtop interface retains its session when you disconnect it. So you can plug the phone back into another dock and go right back to what you were doing. This is one of the good things about webtop.
Laptop Dock - We all know it is hideously overpriced right now and maybe in the future a cheaper solution will be available. But regardless of how you get the dock, it is an advantage to run your apps in full screen, even if you don't use the sluggish webtop interface and firefox.
The dock charges your phone, but plays sound through your atrix speakers, it has no speakers of it's own, you can answer calls by removing the phone, picking it up on bluetooth or by just yelling at it from behind the laptop. The phone retains its session when you remove it and there is no special unmounting procedure, you just grab it and run.
GALAXY S2
Screen - Bright beautiful and extremely rich. Those who have seen the screen firsthand have claimed that there is nothing like it at all and that it is miles above even the old Super Amoled display. The 4.3 inch size is also a bonus for those of us with large hands. This is probably the best overall feature of the Galaxy S2.
Camera - 8 Megapixels, and 2 megapixel front facing camera. People say that megapixels don't really matter in the long run but the Atrix camera is also said to have a purple wash to it and that the video can be splotchy in certain situations.
Design - Even though it looks way too much like the iPhone, this phone actually looks exceptionally nice. I like the three button design much better than the 4, the search button is pretty useless overall. The thinness of this phone is also amazing if you are into that sort of thing. Naturally it may come down to the US carriers to ruin the design, but by it will likely be summer before that happens.
32GB internal storage - Expect to pay for it, but it is there, you get 64 gigs total with this phone.
Gingerbread - The Atrix won't likely get gingerbread until at least this summer, this phone will have it much sooner if you get the international version coming sometime this quarter.
Gyroscope - This phone has it, do any apps support it? Not sure, but it is there.
NFC - In the off chance that any stores upgrade to NFC this year, you will have the ability to use it. NFC may have other uses that we haven't envisioned yet. It is a protocol, so it can be applied to just about anything. You could potentially set it up to unlock your home, cars could start with it, whatever.
So it has a lot of potential use other than having your money stolen from you.
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Disadvantages:
ATRIX
Bootloader - To sum it up for those not familiar, the phone can be rooted, a custom ROM can be flashed, but the kernel cannot be altered at all. (someone will likely correct me here) but if part or all of the webtop code is contained in the kernel somehow it will be difficult to alter it to add new software or make it run more efficiently. This would be a terrible shame.
I can tell you that Team Whiskey has made my Vibrant browse faster than I have seen in Atrix videos, with half the memory and a single core processor. It is scary to think of what this phone could actually accomplish if Moto decided to allow it.
Motoblur - I read that this requires you to sign up for an account before you can even use the phone. I find it alarming that Motorola has decided to help themselves to all this information and it makes me wonder just exactly what they really have access to and why.
Crippled FM radio - WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY. All of these phones have both transmitters and receivers for FM. So can someone tell me why in god's name anyone would disable them? FM radio has many more uses than just listening to local stations and why again should I have to burn my limited data on
internet radio when there is a receiver right in my phone?
GALAXY S2
Heat - My current Galaxy S runs very hot already, if the screen is active while the phone is being charged it will heat up to what seems to be a very dangerous temperature. The pre-release Galaxy S2 was said to be scorching hot after running with the screen on and the charger active.
Fail File System, Hideous and crippling lag - Update: the galaxy S2 is said to not use RFS. Chock one up for Samsung.
Updates - Samsung has a horrible reputation for updates when working with US carriers, even for new phones. If it was not for this community I would have likely given up on Android and Samsung altogether. Although I know that part of the update delay has been t-mobile, it is also in Samsung's interests to ship out new phones instead of updating their old ones.
Battery Life I have a feeling that Samsung tried to push the limits to get their phone to be as thin as possible and I am worried that they have done so at the expense of battery life. We won't know for sure until it gets in people's hands but I expect the battery life to be subpar.
NO HID Bluetooth Support (possibly) - I have had a black wiimote sitting here for 6 months waiting to connect to my Vibrant. I love emulated classics but action games are near impossible to play with the on-screen kb. So if you want this feature, I would make sure that the GS2 has it first, because it is not likely that it will.
Availability - What it really comes down to now. Unless you want to shell out over 1000 for the phone, you will probably need to wait 5 months from now for any kind of US availability this summer. And don't doubt that those versions will become crippled and even more bloated in the process. But again there is no locked bootloader here.
Ok I think that covers it. Having written all this down, I think I am really leaning more toward the Atrix. There just doesn't seem to be anything else out there now that will be able to match it at the moment. And as you can see, our experience with Samsung has not been exceptional.
Good comparison there. I am also looking at the exact 2 models and thank you very much, looks like Atrix will too be my choice.
I guess I'll get the atrix laptop dock too and prays for the devs here to make it all better. Otherwise, I think its still a good piece of hardware I don't mind owning.
""Samsung's dual-core, Gingerbread-powered Galaxy S II has appeared on Play.co.uk alongside a tentative SIM-free price and release date. According to Play, which is currently taking pre-orders for the phone, it'll ship Mar. 31 for £599.99 (~$960). Pre-release prices are never guaranteed to be accurate and are always subject to change, but £599 seams like a realistic price point for the Galaxy S II, as it's slightly higher than current single-core offerings from other manufacturers.""
Just published at androidcentral. £599.99 (~$960)?? Get a grip..
Not bad, just a couple of things to note that I thought of while reading. First, the screen resolution can be arguable considering the Pentile screen that the Atrix uses. That gives the SGS2 more sub pixels, but then it's a bigger screen, so less (I believe) pixel density still... it's really kind of a toss up, but I think they will both look great. I think the lower resolution and bigger screen on the SGS2 will look just fine with the full 3 subpixels per pixel.
Also, the SGS2 looks nothing like an iPhone. I wish people would stop saying that about every phone that comes out. Apparently every square black phone with a screen is an iPhone now.
And also it's been reported that the SGS2 does not use RFS.
The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The updates aren't really an issue for people who visit sites like this. I would never rely on Samsung to update my phone. My Captivate has been running 2.2 for ages while they just released the update for everyone else. Yes, Samsung sucks at updating, but the hacking community will always get it done regardless.
I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I wouldn't mind if the buttons were hardware, thats another debate. I just want all four of them!
The back button is beyond crucial. Maybe back and home should be two hardware with the other capacitive? For symmetry, obviously a concern for samsung .
I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
SGS2 is apparently RFS-free. Also, some versions will have Tegra2 instead of Exynos - hope this includes us.
People knock Samsung's plastic designs, but they're actually a lot harder to break than the "well-built" iPhone 4.
Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
By looking at my signature, you can see that I just got the Atrix as well, and I love the phone. Amazingly fast, awesome screen (love the higher density and the effect itbhas on the overall experience), and the battery is pretty good too.
I'm seriously thinking about buying the laptop dock, but I don't know how well that will perform, and I haven't seen any live videos of it.
I really like the design and specs of the GS 2, but there are a lot of possible problems holding me back....
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Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
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Thanks a lot, bro.
I am no engineer and I can't build tools. But I can put a few thoughts together and provide someone with some information.
This is an amazing community and what people do here is outstanding, I just want to do what I can to add to that.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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S2 looks like meizu m9
I have both and a Galaxy S 2 on order
Why? I really liked the Captivate. My plan was to use both but the Atrix is so much more fun to use I'm selling the Captivate. Well, maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday after I removed the SIM card and replaced it, the Atrix went bonkers with freezes and instability issues. After numerous soft resets, two factory resets and replacing the SIM card, SD card and battery a couple of times it seems to be back to normal. I suspect I had reinserted the SIM card incorrectly but maybe there was another issue.
So why would I pay $1000 for the Galaxy S 2? The Captivate was that much fun. Although I'm sure we will be able to do more custom rom's shortly on the Atrix, the Galaxy S 2 sounds like an even bigger blast than either. And boy oh boy does that LG 3D look interesting. But you have to draw the line somewhere.
Here is what the Atrix has that the Captivate does not:
1-better graphics and screen quality, dynamic and vivid visuals, a joy to read and watch (text as well as video quality is sharp and crisp, very clear)
2-more interactive features with outside devices (i.e. computers)
3-interacts more efficiently with e mail, voice and text programs (really like the way it handles multiple incoming calls especially when you are already on one-notification, instructions and directions for handling)(I can now actually use Excel spreadsheets and Word documents) (works well with contacts)
4-updated browser can handle more types of video content and pop up windows better
5-it feels better when you hold and talk or watch or do most anything with it (I did make one call and even though I could hear the other party clearly they could not hear me-I do not what happened.)
My friends all tell me I should get an iphone. I had one for years and the Androids are far more fun. I'll never return. I don't think. LG 3D anyone?
I think Tegra2 is actually a disadvantage for Atrix 4G.
As a new generation dualcore processor, it's early, but not strong.
It's video playback ability of H.264 is limited, but H.264 is currently the most frequently played format.
It has no neon support, big loss on processing power.
Till now Tegra2 has not proven itself in Graphics power. In benchmarks it's no superior to Hummingbird.
However the performance of Mali400MP on GS2 is also questionable, so just wait and see...
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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See, I don't understand that. There is far less plastic on the Captivate than the majority of the phones out there. The front is all glass, and the back is mostly metal. It's only the top and bottom on the back that are plastic, and they have both felt very solid to me since I got the phone on launch day. I came from an iPhone 4 as well, and granted nothing compares to the iPhone 4 in build quality, the Captivate definitely doesn't seem bad at all to me.
As long as you're happy with what you have now though, that's what matters. I just think the Inspire is a bit of a waste of money considering it's lack of power compared to all the other phones coming out now. It feels like it's last generation still. I did play with it a little at the AT&T store though, and it seemed nice. If it had come out last summer with the Captivate (even if it didn't have 4G), I might have gotten it. Now I'm going to wait until a dual core offering I like though.
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I never thought I'd say this, but I was under the impression that Samsung's new lineup would be using their own OS (Bada) rather than Android...I've now heard different and done some snooping.
I've hated Samsung phones, but OMG...
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Cellphonehardwarecompari1.png
Just take a look at that!!!
I've got another two weeks that I can return my Evo...should I keep it or wait for Galaxy S?
I mean just look at that - less power consumption, AMOLED screen, much faster GPU, faster RAM
I just got this Evo and I feel like something better is already coming out...
Dude I'm in the same boat as you I just got it and I heard about the galaxy s but after doing more research it seems like my evo is already outdated in some aspects by the galaxy s. I heard rumors its gonna be on t-mobile too and I canceled my contract with them to get the evo. But as I said its better only in a few ways. I wanna see reviews for it but by the time the galaxy s is out I won't be able to return the evo. I'm in a dilemma especially after the problems with the evo like battery life subpar 8 megapixel camera and 720p video and the 30 fps cap (that one gets me pissed) .- I wonder what other ppl at xda have to say- imma be watching this thread.
im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.
I'm also very interested in the Galaxy. I love the Evo but the screen problem has got me thinking twice and I'm not too happy with how thick the Evo feels to me compared to my HD2. I understand that the Galaxy has a CPU with the same clock speed but tests have shown it to perform better along with the GPU as mentioned. The much slimmer profile sounds very good to me and the lack of a camera flash is a letdown but one I could live with.
Samsung is known for not supporting their phones after release but they have confirmed that the Galaxy will be updated with Froyo. On 2G the battery is rated for talk time longer than the iPhone 4G and is of course replaceable. Also 16GB built-in + add a 32GB micro sd card and you have more storage than nearly any smartphone.
Here is the best review (9 pages) I've found on the Galaxy:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php
true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
But it's a Samsung...
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true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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G1toEVO4G said:
im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.
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That's better than htc who puts out phones with glaring problems and then stops supporting them. I haven't had an htc Pune since the tilt. I was hoping they had changed so I could get an evo, but apparently they haven't. I'm liking the galaxy s pro right now.
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true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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LOL....
True, but HTC's record is just as pathetic.
We'll see when we will have a bug fix release and maybe in 10 months Froyo...
The Galaxy is nice, but if you like the developing and deep hacking and customizing.
HTC is the way to go.
yeah you guys are right - i know samsungs phones tend to sound good on paper and turn out not that great after all. happened a couple of times before. wanted to love their phones, but just couldnt.
besides the galaxy s looks pretty ugly compared to the evo
ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.
I'll pass on the samsung. I'm really not digging their skinning either. With their post support issues I think I'd rather deal with apple and the iphone or motorola and their new high end droid. That said I'm not going to go and get raped by verizon, I don't want to get raped by at&t either and I'm happy with my evo.
HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.
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I agree about the looks! It looks way too much like an iPhone and the UI screenshots don't make it look any better. But have you seen the long demo video on YouTube? I forget which one it was, but I have to admit I was pretty impressed by the way it all flowed and this is coming from a guy who loves HTC Sense.
For someone like me, the extra 16GB would mean that I could ditch my iPod 160GB Classic and just have one device (I like to keep all my music and audiobooks on one device). Also reported by a few different blogs, the Galaxy screen is better and the hummingbird is reported too as being faster than the snapdragon in our Evos. And I guess I'm alone in this, but the super slim profile is a huge plus to me. But that back cover is pretty ugly. I'd really just like to demo this thing myself, with my Evo in hand and then decide. I'd also like to do the same with the iPhone 4G. These devices coming out on different dates, sure does making the choice making that much harder.........
man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?
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HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?
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I keep reading different carriers. Samsung has said they want the device to be on every carrier in every country and so if that holds true then it will be on all but my question is who will have it first late this month or next month as reported. I have seen some screenshots, showing T-Mobile account data on a Galaxy screen, but now I'm hearing Verizon and ATT as well.......
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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bahahaahh not entirely true about motorla and samsung but still funny ahah
timgt said:
You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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naw i like them because they build quality devices and have awesome customer support. i feel they do things right for the most part. i bet after u get done waiting for root on the samsung ull be trying to fix just as many things. also xda and all the other dev communities for HTC devices are well rounded and have a major following. HTC has been spiting out awesome devices for a long time. ive been hooked since my Axim X50v. that was back in 03
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HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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I'm with you all the way on it, i like how motorola designed the droid X but not their software, and I wouldn't get a motorola anyways.
I, like most of you, think Samsungs Android attempts have been horrible. The Behold 2 was an awful device, touchwiz was even worse. When I heard news of the Galaxy S I shrugged and didn't think twice about it. Now that I've had the opportunity to really play with one though, I have to say I'm VERY impressed.
You see, there are a couple of things I want out of my Android device.
1. Screen quality.
2. Battery Life
3. Reception/Signal
4. XDA Community Support
5. Performance
In no particular order, I can say that this Galaxy S definitely is giving the Nexus a run for its money. It clearly has a better screen (and bigger). One would think the battery life would be much better given the fact that its Super Amoled. (I think the claims were 30% better than standard AMOLED?)
We all know about the finnicky signal of the Nexus. I'm curious how the signal will be on the Galaxy S.
XDA support is the big one. We all love HTC here. Will the Samsung be rootable, romable, will there be a good following of developers for it? You would think, since this phone is world wide, including all 4 major carriers in the U.S. that it will have a lot of support. Maybe some of you can speak a bit more to that subject?
Lastly, performance. We've all seen the tests. We've all heard about Hummingbird. When looking at the live wallpapers on the Galaxy vs Nexus (specifically the water pond wallpaper) there is a very noticiable different in the speed of the water vibrations etc... Now will that translate to performance elsewhere, perhaps. Hard to say, but based on benchmarks, it seems like it.
All of that said, really the only downside to the S is that it doesn't have a flash on the camera. For me, its not that big of a deal. I can understand if it is to some people.
All of that said, are you guys not giving this phone some serious consideration? It's definitely more intriguing that I initially thought it would be.
But you're forgetting the most important part. HTC supports and upgrades their phones. Samsung ALWAYS screws the customer by making them get the new phone.
Ala, the behold2. Higher specs than the MYTouch3g, but the 3g is getting 2.1, AND 2.2. The Behold will never even see 2.0. Plus, visit any samsung forum and they're trying to get 'Vanilla' android because they hate touchwiz.
Fastest upgrades
Dependable care provider
System straight from google.
N1 Wins.
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I, like most of you, think Samsungs Android attempts have been horrible. The Behold 2 was an awful device, touchwiz was even worse. When I heard news of the Galaxy S I shrugged and didn't think twice about it. Now that I've had the opportunity to really play with one though, I have to say I'm VERY impressed.
You see, there are a couple of things I want out of my Android device.
1. Screen quality.
2. Battery Life
3. Reception/Signal
4. XDA Community Support
5. Performance
In no particular order, I can say that this Galaxy S definitely is giving the Nexus a run for its money. It clearly has a better screen (and bigger). One would think the battery life would be much better given the fact that its Super Amoled. (I think the claims were 30% better than standard AMOLED?)
We all know about the finnicky signal of the Nexus. I'm curious how the signal will be on the Galaxy S.
XDA support is the big one. We all love HTC here. Will the Samsung be rootable, romable, will there be a good following of developers for it? You would think, since this phone is world wide, including all 4 major carriers in the U.S. that it will have a lot of support. Maybe some of you can speak a bit more to that subject?
Lastly, performance. We've all seen the tests. We've all heard about Hummingbird. When looking at the live wallpapers on the Galaxy vs Nexus (specifically the water pond wallpaper) there is a very noticiable different in the speed of the water vibrations etc... Now will that translate to performance elsewhere, perhaps. Hard to say, but based on benchmarks, it seems like it.
All of that said, really the only downside to the S is that it doesn't have a flash on the camera. For me, its not that big of a deal. I can understand if it is to some people.
All of that said, are you guys not giving this phone some serious consideration? It's definitely more intriguing that I initially thought it would be.
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+1 for all of this. Although I also used to be the guy that said I didn't care about the camera flash, I find myself taking pics with the flash a good bit, and using it for a flashlight.
I've been with HTC for so many years I'm scared to try someone else, but the Galaxy does look pretty awesome. Its the screen size that does it for me. I like the larger screen on the Evo, but it looks like poop next to the N1.
FishFan does make a perfect point. I wouldn't even consider trading my N1 for the Galaxy unless I could unlock/root/load a vanilla ROM.
I wanna see an in depth N1 vs Galaxy S review done by a reputable reviewer.
I'm still gonna check it out when AT&T gets a demo...
Well see that's the thing, if the Galaxy can be rooted, what really does it matter if Samsung supports it? I'm going to root it and put a custom rom on there anyway. The only thing Im concerned about is future updates of Android. If I'm not mistaken Samsung does not release the source to their drivers, so although you can put vanilla Android on the S, you won't be able to put, for instance, Froyo on there? Would that be accurate?
Just fyi, amoled is The same as super amoled, just the touch later has been combined into one. So battery life is The same.
Unless Samsung is claiming otherwise, I haven't heard.
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Well see that's the thing, if the Galaxy can be rooted, what really does it matter if Samsung supports it? I'm going to root it and put a custom rom on there anyway. The only thing Im concerned about is future updates of Android. If I'm not mistaken Samsung does not release the source to their drivers, so although you can put vanilla Android on the S, you won't be able to put, for instance, Froyo on there? Would that be accurate?
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Well I'm pretty sure they claim to be getting froyo on all the models this year, so that solves that.
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Well I'm pretty sure they claim to be getting froyo on all the models this year, so that solves that.
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Froyo isn't a concern, but Gingerbread will be. Without support from Samsung, are we going to be able to count on the developers to get Gingerbread or whatever else running on it?
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Froyo isn't a concern, but Gingerbread will be. Without support from Samsung, are we going to be able to count on the developers to get Gingerbread or whatever else running on it?
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lol at today's pace, you'll be buying a new phone by the time Gingerbread comes out.
I'm also with the same doubts as the original poster.
On the Galaxy S forum, according to a post from someone involved with Modaco's rom, so far there can only be a custom rom for the Galaxy S if Samsung provides (or leaks) the base rom. So, it won't be possible to get Froyo, Gingerbread, Sense Ui, Timescape or anything else unless Samsung releases it.
Custom roms for the Galaxy S will only be able to modify the Samsung roms.
@Cuda1337 (OP) +1 to everything you said. That's exactly what I always say when comparing the two phones. I was compelled to sell my Nexus One now that it still has a good price, especially here in my area.
However, I'm not compelled enough to change yet, because it's more expensive and the expense may not justify the potential benefits, given there are risks (like it may not have a good enough dev community). I suggest that we wait for a short while. A superphone should have no compromise.
I'll wait for 4-8 months. By then, I'll expect more than 1Ghz CPU with all necessary superphone specs (camera flash, front-facing camera, etc.) and even a physical keyboard.
If they could stick the Nexus One inside my Gphone I would be the happiest man on earth. It doesn't even have to be pretty.
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Well see that's the thing, if the Galaxy can be rooted, what really does it matter if Samsung supports it? I'm going to root it and put a custom rom on there anyway. The only thing Im concerned about is future updates of Android. If I'm not mistaken Samsung does not release the source to their drivers, so although you can put vanilla Android on the S, you won't be able to put, for instance, Froyo on there? Would that be accurate?
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Just because you root your Samsung Galaxy S, it doesn't mean you can just put any custom ROM on there. A custom ROM has to be specifically designed for the Galaxy S. For instance, people with a rooted Incredible have no decent custom ROMs to flash at the moment, and it is debatable if it is even worth rooting the Incredible. The N1 will always have the latest and greatest stock and custom ROMs. If you don't really tinker too much with your phone then the Galaxy S might be fine for you. For me, there is no question, N1 all the way, and when the next developer phone comes around, that will be my next phone (unfortunately there will not be an Nexus 2).
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Just because you root your Samsung galaxy, it doesn't mean you can just put any custom ROM on there. A custom ROM has to be specifically designed for the Galaxy S. For instance, people with a rooted Incredible have no decent custom ROMs to flash at the moment and it is debatable if it is even worth rooting the Incredible. The N1 ROM will always have the latest and greatest stock and custom ROMs. If you don't really tinker too much with your phone then the Galaxy S might be fine for you. For me, there is no question, N1 all the way, and when the next developer phone comes around, that will be my next phone (unfortunately there will not be an Nexus 2).
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I agree entirely here! I am spoiled by the support from the G1 and Nexus! I can't go without flashing a ROM, a new theme, a new mod, SOMETHING new every other day or week that other phones aren't fortunate to have~
i used to think that camera flash wasn't a big deal and never really used my video camera. but a few days ago a few of my friends were taking videos with their droids and evo's and only my n1 got to turn on its light being able to record in the dark!
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Just fyi, amoled is The same as super amoled, just the touch later has been combined into one. So battery life is The same.
Unless Samsung is claiming otherwise, I haven't heard.
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No. Do your research Roger..
Samsung has claimed that Super Amoled has a 20% brighter screen, 80% less sunlight reflection and at least 20% reduced power consumption - plus the fact that it has a 180degree viewing angle!
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_AMOLED)
And I tend to agree. I get 3 days easy out of my SGS, where as I was only getting 1-2 days from the N1. Mind you, the Hummingbird CPU/GPU package has other refinements such as being lower voltage than the Snapdragon, plus sporting a 45nm SOC (vs 65nm)
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lol at today's pace, you'll be buying a new phone by the time Gingerbread comes out.
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Gingerbread is due at the end of the year. Not everybody can afford to change phones every six months you know...
having a screen that's bigger than 3.9" is an instant loss for me.
i need a phone not a tablet.
but just to humor you,
Support on XDA for nexus is better than samsung (+1 nexus)
Screen better (+1 Sam, resolution wise not battery conserving wise
even if it was the 30% is a comparison between Apple's IPS and
Samsungs SAMOLED not between AMOLED AND SAMOLED)
Battery life (+1 Nexus, standard use 30+ hours unplugged "my use" no way in hell a bigger screen and better processor will give me more)
Google Support (it sucks all over but you get updates directly to your phone the second it's out +1)
Performance (if you take everything into consideration, I don't really have a clear cut winner here)
by your own criteria Galaxy S definitely "Doesn't" give the Nexus a run for its money.
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@Cuda1337 (OP) +1 to everything you said. That's exactly what I always say when comparing the two phones. I was compelled to sell my Nexus One now that it still has a good price, especially here in my area.
However, I'm not compelled enough to change yet, because it's more expensive and the expense may not justify the potential benefits, given there are risks (like it may not have a good enough dev community). I suggest that we wait for a short while. A superphone should have no compromise.
I'll wait for 4-8 months. By then, I'll expect more than 1Ghz CPU with all necessary superphone specs (camera flash, front-facing camera, etc.) and even a physical keyboard.
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I'm with you. The nexus will be a year old after the holidays and ill be ready to upgrade. Ill hang on to this beauty but ill want 2ghz or dual core, 1080p recording, 8-10mp, a screen i can see during the day, 1ghz ram. the Samsung S just isn't a big enough upgrade over the nexus plus samsungs mobile reputation is pitiful count me out. I'm HTC or possibly but doubtfully Motorola .
Not saying the Galaxy S will be the best device out there, especially with samsung's reputation but some of your arguments seem a little biased
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Support on XDA for nexus is better than samsung (+1 nexus)
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You don't know how both devices will be supported in a few months, OP has a point when he says the Galaxy will be widely available on all carriers. But I do agree it will probably never be as well supported as the G1 or N1.
Screen better (+1 Sam, resolution wise not battery conserving wise
even if it was the 30% is a comparison between Apple's IPS and
Samsungs SAMOLED not between AMOLED AND SAMOLED)
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I'm pretty sure the 30 percents was compared to older samsung AMOLED display
Battery life (+1 Nexus, standard use 30+ hours unplugged "my use" no way in hell a bigger screen and better processor will give me more)
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Well unless you use a galaxy S you can't really compare. I didn't even check how much time galaxy S users get out of their phones, but if one of them say his/her phone works 15 hours with one charge I might conclude that the battery life is better than on the Nexus since I typically get around 12 hours of battery life with MY use. SO you can't really compare unfortunately.
And the better screen (with better sunlight visibility) allows you to lower the brightness, thus saving some battery.
Same goes for the faster CPU : first it may use less power altogether since it uses 45nm carving (do you say "carving" in English ?), and secondly if it's faster it will be used less to perform the same task, thus saving some battery.
Google Support (it sucks all over but you get updates directly to your phone the second it's out +1)
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Can't argue with that, definitely the main pro of the N1
Performance (if you take everything into consideration, I don't really have a clear cut winner here)
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errr... on this point EVERY benchmark and user feedback I read said the Galaxy S performed way better than the N1 (and it's not even on Froyo yet),
IMHO the Galaxy S is definitely better than the N1 as far as hardware is concerned, and a better choice for people who just use there phone as it is out of the box.
But it will probably have less support from developpers, and less frequent updates from samsung, so for people like us the N1 might still be a better choice.
besides, I don't see the point in upgrading from a N1 to any other phone right now. I'll wait for at least the next gen (before christmas maybe ?) before I consider replacing my N1.
I'm so damn tempted by the Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S on AT&T July 18).
It has 16gigs of internal storage space!! 4" Super AMOLED.
The only thing I don't like is the glossy plastic casing, makes holding it feel cheap, although it looks like it's just a bit of that.
I urgently need your valuable opinion. I spent several hours yesterday (Sunday) at a AT&T Retail Store with the Motorola Atrix. As you may know the phone display is a smidge under resolution to the IPhone 4- it lacked the "Punch" I thought the Display would or should have- is it because of Android 2.2? The dual core and Nvidia graphics accelerator should have given the Atrix a absolutely stunning display, it was “Just Ok” display, but nowhere near the retina display of Apple. I am resigned or guessing to think that this may be a Android software thing-
The Battery time appears good, I ran the Motorola “Flash Demo Site” about 9 times, ran Kobe Bryant’s “Nike Black Mamba” 5 min Trailer sever times was all over the web, Huge Multi Media Sites, and I didn’t ding the Battery at all, which was very surprising-
There is no question the Phone is very fast, actually at this point, I’ve never held a faster phone in my hand, we downloaded Extreme Labs Speed test, “Blink” it was done, actually initially I thought the download aborted- No such luck, Its fast-
So the Bottom line, The Display worries me. On the other Hand I'm hearing the Display on the Xoom is Gorgeous- but their running Gingerbread 3.0- I remember there was talk that Gingerbread required some very High Tech Hardware in place, Dual Core, Nividia ect- The Atrix is running Android 2.2-
Oops! I left one thing out-
The Sales rep told me the phone was “LTE Ready”, when I asked what do you mean, he smiled and said all that’s required is a Sim Card Change Out, He said Both the Inspire and the Atrix were that way. After I got home I called AT&T and spoke to a Supervisor in Technical Services, who confirmed that dialog. I am very surprised, as none of the reviews have said that. There has been great debates over 4G, and articles that say the Atrix is but isn’t 4G, and cannot work on LTE-
I have always valued your Forum opinions, and hope that you will take a moment to answer my email. Any comment you can give or overall opinion would be graciously received as always.
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I urgently need your valuable opinion. I spent several hours yesterday (Sunday) at a AT&T Retail Store with the Motorola Atrix. As you may know the phone display is a smidge under resolution to the IPhone 4- it lacked the "Punch" I thought the Display would or should have- is it because of Android 2.2? The dual core and Nvidia graphics accelerator should have given the Atrix a absolutely stunning display, it was “Just Ok” display, but nowhere near the retina display of Apple. I am resigned or guessing to think that this may be a Android software thing-
The Battery time appears good, I ran the Motorola “Flash Demo Site” about 9 times, ran Kobe Bryant’s “Nike Black Mamba” 5 min Trailer sever times was all over the web, Huge Multi Media Sites, and I didn’t ding the Battery at all, which was very surprising-
There is no question the Phone is very fast, actually at this point, I’ve never held a faster phone in my hand, we downloaded Extreme Labs Speed test, “Blink” it was done, actually initially I thought the download aborted- No such luck, Its fast-
So the Bottom line, The Display worries me. On the other Hand I'm hearing the Display on the Xoom is Gorgeous- but their running Gingerbread 3.0- I remember there was talk that Gingerbread required some very High Tech Hardware in place, Dual Core, Nividia ect- The Atrix is running Android 2.2-
Oops! I left one thing out-
The Sales rep told me the phone was “LTE Ready”, when I asked what do you mean, he smiled and said all that’s required is a Sim Card Change Out, He said Both the Inspire and the Atrix were that way. After I got home I called AT&T and spoke to a Supervisor in Technical Services, who confirmed that dialog. I am very surprised, as none of the reviews have said that. There has been great debates over 4G, and articles that say the Atrix is but isn’t 4G, and cannot work on LTE-
I have always valued your Forum opinions, and hope that you will take a moment to answer my email. Any comment you can give or overall opinion would be graciously received as always.
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-You're right, the Atrix display is just a bit under the iP4... but it is also a larger display, in a package that is nearly the same size as the iP4. I think it is great. Some people coming from some of the samsung screens are complaining of its vibrancy or whatnot. I think it looks fine. People are saying it is more natural and less overly saturated. Also, from reading engadget - it looks like one of the galaxy phones just got a software update fixing colors... So what may be a slight (and probably un-recognizable to most people) nuance, may simply be corrected in an update. Motorola really did push this phone out the door and may have even rushed it. But from owning the device since launch, I can attest that there are no physical hardware issues to the device.
-The battery is absolutely huge. If you want the full android, syncing, viewing, browsing, calling, messaging, emailing, widget-updating, animations etc etc experience - this battery can deliver. Personally, I don't have every bell and whistle turned on in my phone - I am a little more conservative, but not entirely, and my battery last EASILY a day. I usually TRY to kill it at night in bed when my girlfriend goes to sleep (early) just to see if I can.
-Phone is fast, but motoblur is not desireable. Some people like it, some people don't. It's not the worst, but it's not like HTC's sense where you would actually prefer to keep the stock launcher. I experimented with ADW launcher first and I really liked it. However, as far as silky smooth, super consistent lag-free performance, Launcher Pro is where it's at. Many options and more smooth than ADW. I am 100% happy with my setup at this point - the phone never hiccups.
-As far as I know, the Atrix is NOT LTE ready. There is a lot of confusion over the jargon going around and what companies are calling "4G". Most likely, those reps were confusing HSPA+ with LTE. I am almost positive the Atrix is not LTE compatible.
*You mentioned the Xoom and Gingerbread. Honeycomb is apparently optimized to get the most out of the dual core power... This makes the Atrix more future-proof, as it already has the dual core and will eventually see HC.
*Also, although the bootloader has not been unlocked or whatever - the phone is very easily rootable - which enables freezing ('removal') of bloat apps, ability to install out of market apps, and tethering off-plan.
Hope that helps your decision. I had an Iphone 4 and sold it for a lot of money on Amazon. I had briefly dabbled with android (Evo 4G) briefly, but always ended up back to the newest iPhone... But with this device, the iPhone is not even a thought. I love android, and I love playing with, tweaking, improving and customizing my phone. It is much more fun if you are somewhat technically savvy. The iPhone is very safe, and is a great device, but if you are looking for something that lets you take the reigns a little more... get the atrix. the display is awesome, trust me. compare both screens from normal viewing distances... they are not THAT different. Sure, look up close and spot imperfections, but it's not that different.
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The Android OS has little to do with the resolution of the display. The Pentile matrix reduces the clarity and sharpness compared to the Retina display. The Atrix also has lower pixels per inch.
I'm pretty sure you need a different radio for LTE compatibility.
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I can confirm that the phone does not need a SIM change. I am using mine with the old SIM that I had on my desire. As, for LTE the phone does not have a LTE radio and is not LTE compatible.
You definitely need a different radio for LTE.
-Display: The Galaxy S phones have the most beautiful displays IMO. iP4 is a very close second. Atrix is a somewhat close third. Compared to the Captivate, the atrix has severely muted colors (almost looks B/W next to the captivate's super saturated display but the atrix colors are actually more accurate). The biggest problem I see is the low bit depth (gradients look like crap). Pentile isn't desirable either. ------ ALL is made up for with the increased resolution. There hasn't yet been a single other android phone announced with an equal or higher resolution. We're safe for at least 6 months...bottom line, the display is good enough so that it's not of real concern unless you're doing some artsy stuff on your phone in which case, you want the iP4.
-this phone is INSAINELY FAST. Like I can't even explain what it's like on a day to day basis. a godsend. I don't have to wait for menus or programs to load (not even google voice!!!). I blindly know where all the buttons are for all context menus and I flick my thumb around and the menu has loaded before my thumb lands. It's truly incredible, a dream come true for a phone. I don't know if this is because of the tegra, ram, or file structure. whatever this pixie dust is, I don't think froyo could possibly run any faster and I don't really care for it to.
-the battery runs circles around every other android phone to date. easily twice my previous captivate.
-Moto is kinda sorta almost acceptable when it comes to updates...
-oh and holy crap the GPS actually works!! and its fast AND accurate?! something samsung couldn't do even if they had access to DARPA's research.
bottom line, this is the best android phone by a long shot. A phone that has people leaving the iP4 for. Prying an apple boy away from apple is quite an impressive feat. Put your worries to rest. If you're on this forum and going to get a phone inside 5 months, this is your phone (or wait at least 6 months for the next wave of phones). It's absolutely not perfect, but its somewhat kinda in the same universe as perfection...
Oh yeah, there is no 4G, but thats not Moto's fault. Att's 3G has gotten impressively good lately. Probably due to the loss of a large chunk of apple users. Plenty fast for mobile/hot spot net as long as you're not trying to stream HD video.
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You definitely need a different radio for LTE.
-Display: The Galaxy S phones have the most beautiful displays IMO. iP4 is a very close second. Atrix is a somewhat close third. Compared to the Captivate, the atrix has severely muted colors (almost looks B/W next to the captivate's super saturated display but the atrix colors are actually more accurate). The biggest problem I see is the low bit depth (gradients look like crap). Pentile isn't desirable either. ------ ALL is made up for with the increased resolution. There hasn't yet been a single other android phone announced with an equal or higher resolution. We're safe for at least 6 months...bottom line, the display is good enough so that it's not of real concern unless you're doing some artsy stuff on your phone in which case, you want the iP4.
-this phone is INSAINELY FAST. Like I can't even explain what it's like on a day to day basis. a godsend. I don't have to wait for menus or programs to load (not even google voice!!!). I blindly know where all the buttons are for all context menus and I flick my thumb around and the menu has loaded before my thumb lands. It's truly incredible, a dream come true for a phone. I don't know if this is because of the tegra, ram, or file structure. whatever this pixie dust is, I don't think froyo could possibly run any faster and I don't really care for it to.
-the battery runs circles around every other android phone to date. easily twice my previous captivate.
-Moto is kinda sorta almost acceptable when it comes to updates...
-oh and holy crap the GPS actually works!! and its fast AND accurate?! something samsung couldn't do even if they had access to DARPA's research.
bottom line, this is the best android phone by a long shot. A phone that has people leaving the iP4 for. Prying an apple boy away from apple is quite an impressive feat. Put your worries to rest. If you're on this forum and going to get a phone inside 5 months, this is your phone (or wait at least 6 months for the next wave of phones). It's absolutely not perfect, but its somewhat kinda in the same universe as perfection...
Oh yeah, there is no 4G, but thats not Moto's fault. Att's 3G has gotten impressively good lately. Probably due to the loss of a large chunk of apple users. Plenty fast for mobile/hot spot net as long as you're not trying to stream HD video.
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What about the fact it won't get GPU acceleration or Gtalk video chat during the May/June Android update? Doesn't that worry you?
What about the fact a Nexus S with a flashed kernel and ROM is reportedly faster than the Atrix?
What about the reports that it struggles with some GPU-intensive live wallpapers in a way the Nexus S and Captivate don't?
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What about the fact it won't get GPU acceleration or Gtalk video chat during the May/June Android update? Doesn't that worry you?
What about the fact a Nexus S with a flashed kernel and ROM is reportedly faster than the Atrix?
What about the reports that it struggles with some GPU-intensive live wallpapers in a way the Nexus S and Captivate don't?
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That is all true, but I came from the captivate. Yes I whole heartedly admit that the capitvate was about twice as smooth, able to do some things better, but the atrix is twice as fast and has more 'space' on the screen.
Overall, its a much better phone and I doubt the captivate will get any love from samsung given their track record...moto has almost as bad of a record though.
The nexus S is great and probably the most 'time safe' phone since google is its support, but its not on the ATT network, as in, I'd have to pay retail. I got the atrix for free (in fact I kinda made $42 for getting it)
I'm on Cappy #3. And now my speaker doesn't work.
I'm going to argue a lemon and see if ATT can't let me have a different phone.
I was looking at the Atrix but- has anyone used both the Captivate and Atrix? Why would I chose the Atrix? I'm using Serendipity ROM, it's great, fast...
I don't really use GPS much (mainly because it sucks- but also because I just don't use it). So overall I'm happy, I'm just tired of the Captivate hardware issues.
What scares me about the Atrix is the locked bootloader. If it works out of the box, great, but you sure do limit support with a locked bootloader. But maybe Motorola actually updates it and there's not a need for custom ROMs?
My other options, were perhaps waiting for the SGS II (or something else). It's still Samsung, but I have a feeling, just like the Captivate, the draw of the specs and beautiful screen might be too hard to resist.
June iPhone 5 launch isn't too far away, either. But the problem with both of these, is I don't know if ATT will let me get a brand new-just-released device, you know?
I also considered getting the iPhone 4 and just living with the Apple nonsense world until this summer- and selling it (iPhone fanboys pay crazy money for those devices, I could flip it easily).
But even with the retina display, I don't know if I could live with an LCD display. ???????
Ideas?
I've got the vibrant, the captivate and just picked up the atrix last week.
Only thing that really bothers me is the screen, the colours are so much less vibrant, its not a deal killer but i don't like the washed out look.
the camera app on the atrix is kinda odd too, i prefer the galaxy one, but you get used to it, its slow to focus and no spot focus.
i miss the quiet mode alarm clock of the captivate too. i liked being able to access the wifi off on and by dragging down at the top, the motoblur is initially annoying.
took me a little while to get used to the power button placement, i dig the fingerprint reader. the usb connection is in an annoying location (off to the side) and at least you get and hdmi cable with it.
its a lot more fluid speedwise, dont get the lag i was used to with the galaxy.
Screen vs. Screen, captivate kills it. The motion blur is so noticeable on the atrix its almost a slap in the face.
The screens between the captivate and atrix are completely different and appeal to different people. Yes the captivate is much more vivid and bright but the atrix's qHD display is much more accurate and crisp and the graphics when gaming blow the captivate out of the water imo.
The NVIDIA processor and gpu make a big difference in screen quality and quicker rendering of images and videos.
I have both a captivate and atrix but I use my atrix as my daily phone due to the battery life and stable gps.
Don't get me wrong though i love being able to mod my captivate which is a big reason why I have not sold it yet.
If you have the option to grab the atrix, take it, it will be a major upgrade.
Atrix wins hands down. While the screen is more vibrant on the cappy, i think the quality is better on the Atrix. Even though the first atrix i got had some sort of hardware issue, i was just able to return it and have it work. WIth the cappy i was stuck with a terrible GPS no matter how many times i'd return it. The camera on the captivate seems to be much better tho unless you're dealing with night shots or out door shots in the bright sun.
While i miss the community of the captivate and all the possibilities of Roms, i'm quite content with my atrix knowing with almost certainty that i'll get gingerbread and i won't have to wait almost a year for it.
The screen really isn't good on the Atrix; I compared tthe Captivate, Nexus 1 , and Atrix aide by side and ended up taking the Atrix back and selling the Captivate.
If you want a higher resolution, just go and get a LCD density app off the market.
As for speed, the Atrix really isn't that much faster. Foe the most part, all apps aside from games aren't really CPU heavy, it's the allocation of apps all running at once that slows people down. If you properly manage your running apps then you shouldn't see much of a seed difference. (My N1 and Atrix are nearly identical).
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TexUs said:
I'm on Cappy #3. And now my speaker doesn't work.
I'm going to argue a lemon and see if ATT can't let me have a different phone.
I was looking at the Atrix but- has anyone used both the Captivate and Atrix? Why would I chose the Atrix? I'm using Serendipity ROM, it's great, fast...
I don't really use GPS much (mainly because it sucks- but also because I just don't use it). So overall I'm happy, I'm just tired of the Captivate hardware issues.
What scares me about the Atrix is the locked bootloader. If it works out of the box, great, but you sure do limit support with a locked bootloader. But maybe Motorola actually updates it and there's not a need for custom ROMs?
My other options, were perhaps waiting for the SGS II (or something else). It's still Samsung, but I have a feeling, just like the Captivate, the draw of the specs and beautiful screen might be too hard to resist.
June iPhone 5 launch isn't too far away, either. But the problem with both of these, is I don't know if ATT will let me get a brand new-just-released device, you know?
I also considered getting the iPhone 4 and just living with the Apple nonsense world until this summer- and selling it (iPhone fanboys pay crazy money for those devices, I could flip it easily).
But even with the retina display, I don't know if I could live with an LCD display. ???????
Ideas?
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You won't see the iPhone 5 in June lol.
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After two weeks of experience with the atrix and a few months with the captivate I can say this:
The atrix has a better build quality,awesome fingerprint scanner (no one can use my phone/log into my bank account but me and I'm too lazy to type a code or dawing shapes everytime I want to use it) ,amazing GPS reception (works even indoors!, sometimes I get 1meter accuracy!) a better battery and a better performance (twice the ram the cappy has (great for multitasking and battery juice), dual core cpu (less noticeable at this time), etc)
The Captivate has amazing screen colors but lower res (it took me a few days to get used to the atrix, I sure would give up on qhd for led) More games support it at this time,thicker&lighter,neat camera (way better than the atrix, at least at day light) looks better (from my point of view) and much more customizable (due to unlocked bootloader - endless roms, kernels, etc)
Horrible GPS reception and annoying build quality (I heard "clicks" when texting) made me dump the cappy and buying the atrix.
If you don't use GPS much (I use it all the time) and you don't care about
build quality (acceptable on the atrix but far from being htc) you can
stick with your GalaxyS, overall, it is a pretty good phone.
Bottom line is, from my point of view, is that the atrix is for more mature and professional usage/business, and the GalaxyS is better for teens/early 20's (better multimedia capabilities) - Since I just turned 26 I changed it
Both phones have terrible laggy home screens so I didn't consider using touchwiz nor motoblur and I didn't even took it as a feature (gde with
odestrian/launcherpro will make your handset happy)
Me, after having I7500 and Captivate, I'm done with Samsung, at least for now, looks like I'm gonna stick with my atrix for at least two years (but who knows..)
I prefer to the qHD resolution. Color on Atrix is not that bad it is acceptable. I also have a Samsung Wave with Super Amoled and i can still live with Atrix's screen. It is not that biggie as many people are telling. First time i looked at Samsung Wave's screen i fell in love with it and bought it. Then i showed it to friends and they were impressed and jealous. But now i even forget i have a Super Amoled to watch photos and play games. Many people look at my Wave dont show their impress even though they have never used any better than an LCD phone.
So, with the Captivate, an unlocked bootloader means we can custom ROM it and strip the crappy UI out and use whatever we want (and also do things like Voodoo).
That does not exist on the Atrix. That's part of my worry??? Are you content with just using Launcher Pro?
Let me ask this, I'd definitely consider the iPhone 4's to be the best looking LCD out there right now in a phone, how does the Atrix compare to it?
Design Gears dumped the Atrix, eh? That isn't too reassuring, lol.
I took my atrix back. Couldn't stand the screen, horrible viewing angles horrible color and the phone overall imo was junk. I had too many freezups and had to do 3 master resets on it in a matter of 2 weeks. 1 of those weeks it sat in its box on the fridge.
I would wait for something else to come along. It won't be much longer before new phones hit the market. I would stay away from iphone also unless if you don't mind eating spaghetti every day.
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TexUs said:
So, with the Captivate, an unlocked bootloader means we can custom ROM it and strip the crappy UI out and use whatever we want (and also do things like Voodoo).
That does not exist on the Atrix. That's part of my worry??? Are you content with just using Launcher Pro?
Let me ask this, I'd definitely consider the iPhone 4's to be the best looking LCD out there right now in a phone, how does the Atrix compare to it?
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I came from a Nexus One where it seemed like I flashed a new ROM every week. I now have an Atrix and have been very happy with it. Locked bootloader... doesn't bother me. Everything I have wanted to do with it have been possible with root access and Launcher Pro Plus. IMHO, the screen is fantastic (both resolution and colors) (it took a few day of getting used to the colors), motoblur does not slow the phone down (from a skinning standpoint, it's ugly but I have fixed that with custom icons/widgets (screenshot), and I will be keeping this phone for a while now.
edit: oh, and the phone is crazy fast!
What are your thoughts on the Samsung galaxy S2. Gonna be available for ATT soon .
Why is this in the Nexus One forum?
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Why is this in the Nexus One forum?
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The S2 is one of the first devices that's made me think about upgrading from my N1.
question is why is it here. it doesnt help any fellow n1 users
too big, tried it already in a phone store here in Korea. It is VERY light tho, my first thought when holding the phone was, "why did they removed the battery off the phone?", then i pop out the cover and found the battery was there!!! phone is extremely light!!!!!! I was afraid of dropping it when using. 4.3" is too big for my hand, i think 4" is the perfect size for any phone.
Everything is fast and smooth, what else do you expect from a dual core 1.2ghz A9 chip? screen is beautiful, put the nexus 1 screen to dust even at max brightness.
already a thread on this topic in this forum. just search it out and find all the info you need there.
Some of us N1 users like state of the art technology. Wanted to know what other N1 users thought of it. Some are on the lookout for something better . Love the N1, but too many lockups and rom bugs, battery life is poor, screen resolution has been improved on S2 as well as scratch resistant glass. It's something I'm considering for speed, quality and performance. Use my phone daily as a PC/PDA.
But if this was asked in say... the Samsung G II area, then you could get proper opinions from more people who ACTUALLY OWN THE DEVICE.
I'm not interested in Samsung 2 thread opinions! Wanted to ask N1 users. Last I looked it was my post
haha fair enough.
Anyway, i agree with some others, it runs really nicely, but just a wee bit too big for the hand and also i'd prefer the phone to be aluminium and heavier than plasticy and light
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I'm not interested in Samsung 2 thread opinions! Wanted to ask N1 users. Last I looked it was my post
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That's why I'm saying a huge thread in this nexus one forum already exists about the galaxy s2, and u will prob find every piece of info already posted.
I'm switching from my N1 to a SGS2. Currently waiting for it to ship from Handtec. It's the first Android phone since the N1 that really appealed to me.
I´m going to retire my beloved N1 as soon as I can get the S2 from my provider (should be in a week or two) I played with a S2 of a college (who bought it of contract) and I deem it worth to upgrade.
if it had qhd and nfc it would be the ultimate device
i hear it will come with nfc in some markets tho..
samsung always have the latest tech, mhl, samoled2, usb3, bluetooth 3?
well either way to answer this i would just get both phones there is no doubt
Had it for a bit now. You get used to the size pretty fast, before long the N1 seems small. I'm pretty big and I find devices too thin nowdays so I got a case that made it thicker on purpose. Did the same with the N1. If the S2 has any killer feature it would have to be the hardware acceleration in 2D. This really stands out in the browser where pages are rendered with desktop speed and zooming and such have a fluidity that are unmatched with any device I have seen. All lot of the attributes of this phone are pretty obvious. It is much more powerful and that can be seen throughout the gui while in operation and performing any task. This is pretty much a no brainer considering you are comparing what is now a year and a half old device to one which was just introduced. It should not be taken as a knock against the N1 as I am impressed with how well it holds up in comparison, it is no slouch on the latest nightly.
Specific things I do not like about the sgs2.... Hate having the power button on the side. I have turned the phone off several times accidentally and then had to reboot when I went to use it. I do not like having the single hard button surrounded by the two cap buttons arrangement. It kinda screws with the flow of doing stuff on the phone. Touch, touch, touch, oops, should have PUSHED the home button, push, touch, touch, PUSH. Just doesnt seem right to me. Plus while I never actually used the search softkey to search I did use the longpress to access quick settings and now of course used or not that button simply isnt there. I would have greatly prefered a standard 4 button arrangement. The build quality is lower than the N1. It is not what I perceive as terrible like my wifes captivate but the materials and feel of the phone in hand are a step down from the N1. Since both are cased all I really see is the case and screen either way so this one doesnt bother me but its there.
The pluses of the sgs2 are mostly obvious. Being newer and possessed of the latest greatest it is a more powerful device in every way. Again its good to keep in mind that I am comparing to a generationally older phone here and it should not be taken as a knock against the N1 but there it is. The screen is stellar and touch is very accurate. Side by side with cupertinos best the colors appear more saturated but it falls behind slightly in rendering fine text. Overall we both rated it a push while we both rated the extra real estate as a huge bonus. This screen is really good and can stand up to the best out there IMO. Touchwiz is surprisingly not horrible. I have gone back and forth between ADW, LP and TW and ended up actually keeping TW but with most of the "wiz" removed. The built in exchange support is better than the N1.
Overall I'm glad I did it. The N1 is the first device I ever owned where I actively liked it. I still have it, normally I would have put it up for sale the minute the new phone successfully booted. I still load nightlies. The bottom line though is in the pro/con department the sgs2 brings more to the table.