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reasons for buying the i9000 Galaxy S

Hey guys,
I'm not that pretty sure anymore about the phone.
My main PRO is the big screen and Android.
The main CON is: Samsung...
My friends, who already owned a Samsung warned me.
One of them said:"I'll give you 3 month till you send it back, because it's not working anymore."
The missing camera LED, notification LED and the update policy of Samsung are reinforcing my concerns.
I'm currently not sure about buying one, so could you give me your reasons for choosing the Galaxy S over a HTC Desire/Legend or an iPhone?

iPhone - don't like the platform and Apple condescending BS.
Desire - have one currently, excellent phone, reasoning for trying the Galaxy S - better graphics prowess (I like gaming), TV Out & DLNA, more storage space for app installation, WiFi tether, DivX, the screen - both better display characteristics and multitouch, better audio SQ.
EDIT: Oh, and the Desire's bluetooth implementation is anoying with peripherals like keyboards/controllers/heart rate monitors.

You dont need to go for htc or apple. There's the new motorola coming out that also has Arm cpu
http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-xt720-hands-on-video-0788530/
I'm loving the cam on it.. and build quality.. but not super amoled but apparently they have great screens (motorola droids)
i still want the galaxy but build quality is worrying..
edit: just doesn't make sense why accessing the app drawer on the motorola is so sluggish lol... seriously it's just icons... I'm pretty sure it's Android's fault not the phone.
edit 2: btw you just worried me as well Knobibrot LOL with your story. though I've heard many but now I'm really thinking about it since I'll be traveling for a long time, I need a lasting phone that does 720p. and Motorola seems like it has strong build quality and a great camera. And it's still Android so hmm..
edit 3: I don't care about watching movies, I don't watch movies on cell phones. LOL count me in Knobibrot, why should we buy it ? haha Galaxy is a great phone but I am not sure all because of build quality and how long it may last.. since already many errors are being reported..
edit 4: arg it doesn't have wireless n the motorola and it's not amoled.

Still have my doubts too and am questioning the logic behind leaving out all leds. It does appear to be a long running design choice with Samsung phones from what I've read.
I'm ditching my HD2 due to unreliability issues, so the Galaxy does seem a bit of a gamble when the Desire has so many great reviews. It's that damn screen on the G that keeps pulling me back tho!

this "samsung-bashing" is really getting boring...
its always the manufacturers fault if the user is too stupid, right ?
would you buy a car without ever testdriving it ? no you wouldn't even if the guy who wants to sell it to you says "its the greatest thing since sliced bread and it does 200 mph" !
but with phones it's seemingly totally different... the manufacturer tells you something and you do believe the **** out of it.. instead of just taking the goddamn device in your hand and use the features you need and check if it is ok for you.
yeah i know, its so much harder to get a phone into your hand than having a test-drive, right ?
oh, and when you save all your money for a phone its the best thing to confide in the manufacturers claims and blindly buy it without testing
either be a man and buy something without testing, because you have the money and don't care if its **** (its still YOUR DECISION to spend the money on something you never used before) or be "smart" and test the device, if the money does matter so much for you...
i owned the i8510 and the i8910 samsung devices and they were both top of the line... i got no complains
and here the reasons for buying the i9000:
big super amoled screen
best videoplayer on a device so far (mkv, avi/divx support out of the box)
720p @ 30 fps so far (not "up to 30 fps" like the iphone 4 )
android os
nice samsung customization with touchwiz

Simple answer from me.....
If I don't like, then by law under the Distance Selling Regulations I can send it back and obtain a full refund inc postage.

Well the whole reason with pre-ordering without testing for me is that manufacturers these days don't seem too good (or perhaps intentionally) at judging demand, so if I'm not getting one in the first batch then I could end up waiting months. But that's why I've been checking every review and user opinion, so at least I've got an idea.

just watch steven jobs tout his iphone ... don't you think he knows that the iphone is crap in some regards ? yet he sells it to "stupid" folks as best thing since sliced bread ... why would he tell you something he knows the iphone is bad in ? his job is to sell phones and not to tell the truth ... same is with the other manufacturers
even without testing every phone i did not have many complains .. some people really need a reality check if they blame the manufacturers for saying their product was great....

Simple answer from me.....
If I don't like, then by law under the Distance Selling Regulations I can send it back and obtain a full refund inc postage.
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Now, you see, in my coutry for example they respect this law only if the contents of the packege is intact.
Practice shows that sallers always say that the packege was unwrapped and the unit shows signs of usage and they decline taking it back. And that means weeks or even months of Consumer Advocate work or a lawsuit.
So your suggestion is out of question for me (and I think other unfortunates) and becasue of that I always wait and read a lot before I buy a thing that I can't test properly.

DonAndress said:
Now, you see, in my coutry for example they respect this law only if the contents of the packege is intact.
Practice shows that sallers always say that the packege was unwrapped and the unit shows signs of usage and they decline taking it back. And that means weeks or even months of Consumer Advocate work or a lawsuit.
So your suggestion is out of question for me (and I think other unfortunates) and becasue of that I always wait and read a lot before I buy a thing that I can't test properly.
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Well my heart goes out to you in not having a government strong enough to enforce better consumer laws.

v1rtu4l said:
just watch steven jobs tout his iphone ... don't you think he knows that the iphone is crap in some regards ? yet he sells it to "stupid" folks as best thing since sliced bread ... why would he tell you something he knows the iphone is bad in ? his job is to sell phones and not to tell the truth ... same is with the other manufacturers
even without testing every phone i did not have many complains .. some people really need a reality check if they blame the manufacturers for saying their product was great....
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Like the bearded one, I shall be returning mine under UK distance selling regulations if I'm not entirely happy with it. But I am cautiously optimistic. Samsung is a big company with a lot of customers, it stands to reason they're gonna have some unhappy ones.
This phone is going to be such a big seller (over 1 million pre-orders in Europe), they will have to get it sorted if there are any little niggles, plus if they plan to be taken seriously on Android they do realize they need to change their support and policy towards upgrades. We've already seen them make a clear statement that 2.2 will be supported.
But my main reason for buying it, there's still nothing else out there that comes close in terms of overall capability.

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In that case you will simply love reading this....
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I've got nothing against Apple, but that did make me chuckle.

Knobibrot said:
I'm currently not sure about buying one, so could you give me your reasons for choosing the Galaxy S over a HTC Desire/Legend or an iPhone?
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The choice between iPhone and the GS is more a choice between android and iOS. I thought about buying the iphone, but then I realized I hated their push notification system (had a lot of bad experiences with it with my iTouch), the lack of widgets, the lousy multitasking (I use ebuddy a lot, and the multitasking implementation of the iphone only allows for push messages with IM's). The iPhone itself is a great device, technically, but the software just doesn't cut it for me.
The choice between the Desire and the GS is a bit more difficult. While the Desire is the nice looking, better built cheaper phone with the great Sense UI (although the touchwiz UI also has some nice things, like the app list and the ability to take screenshots), the Samsung is better in about every other aspect. For example:
-Better, bigger screen with better multi-touch (the Desire has trouble tracking as much as 2 fingers at the same time).
-Better processor AND better graphics processor.
-Better bluetooth and wifi and higher mobile upload speed (2mbps<5.76 mbps)
-Better media player and sound quality with support for Avi, FLAC, ...
-Extra memory, both ROM and general
I'm coming from a desire myself, because I really had trouble playing games on emulators with the bad multi-touch. The GPU also wasn't able to keep up in games like Asphalt.
With the GS already on amazon for 499 euros, I would definitly choose it over the desire, which is around 469 here in Belgium.

v1rtu4l said:
this "samsung-bashing" is really getting boring...
i owned the i8510 and the i8910 samsung devices and they were both top of the line... i got no complains
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I've only had one Samsung phone so far (i900 Omnia I) but in the 2 years that I owned it I never had a serious problem, even though I bought it 2nd hand on eBay. The only few times it crashed was when I installed a new app it didn't like.
The main reasons why I'm interested in this phone are the 4" Super AMOLED screen, 8GB/16GB on board storage plus SD card, 512mb RAM, 2GB ROM, 1GHz processor with 1500 mAh battery suggests good battery life (although reports so far are mixed), confirmed update to Froyo (as per gsmarena) and apparently good video player and sound quality. Also, I had good experiences with the camera of my Omnia so I'm hoping this bodes well for the Galaxy S camera (yes, I'm aware that it doesn't have a flash). I hated TouchWiz on the Omnia and would prefer plain vanilla Android on the GS, but GS TouchWiz looks much less invasive and more practical than Omnia TouchWiz so I think I can live with it.
I'm keeping an eye on the iPhone 4 as well, but I'm put off by the small screen (smaller than previous iPhones), no flash support for the browser (not so much for youtube but so many websites use it) and I'm a bit suspicious about Apple potentially hobbling Google sync functions. Also not looking forward to iAds.

Yeah, the performance of the phone and the screen are the things that are keeping me from waiting for another phone.
Hearing about bad build quality from those that tried it worries me.
But then again I come from an HTC Magic which has bad build quality but nothing happened to it in a year except dust under screen, but on Sammy that won't be a problem.

Reasons ?! i could write many reasons but this is all i have for now
1- Of course the Super Amoled Screen (best screen to date)
2- The screen is BIG!
3- The Hummingbird processor that means i wont have problems watching a movie on my phone and also it'll rock on game
4- Tv-out sulotions so you have:
a- Wired tv-out using S-video cable .
b- DLNA so you can stream your videos/images/music to your TV ,Media Player, PC , Laptop or PS3 wirelessly
5- Huge internal memory so you can throw anything you want in it .If it's not enough just throw in a 32 GB M-SD card
6- Codecs support so it's ready for your vids
These are the reasons i have for now that makes the galaxy s stands out between Desire , Legend and iPhone !
So if i made a comparison between each device the list will grately expand !

I hated TouchWiz on the Omnia and would prefer plain vanilla Android on the GS, but GS TouchWiz looks much less invasive and more practical than Omnia TouchWiz so I think I can live with it.
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I don't know the source any more, but I read somewhere that it's possible to deactivate TouchWiz and use the Vanilla Android instead.
I'll do a search on that!
Thanks for all these great comments.
And informations like the 1 million pre-orders in Europe and Cooki3s' review of the Desire really helps!

Knobibrot said:
I don't know the source any more, but I read somewhere that it's possible to deactivate TouchWiz and use the Vanilla Android instead.
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Yeah, I think I read that too somewhere. You can deactivate it on the Omnia, so that would make sense. But the GS version looks like I might actually find some of it practical to use, e.g. the Daily Briefing (provided Samsung modify it to allow custom news feeds), unlike the Omnia version which I didn't find very useful.

If the GS build quality is as good as other Samsung's I've had I would be happy. I've always found the build quality excellent, especially compared to SE and Nokia.
However, Samsung haven't been the fasted at updates, so the sooner they confirm Froyo the better.

why ive caved and decided i WILL get the SGSIII

well it seems everyone is making one of these lately, so i figured i would too.
Why i considered passing
first off, as most of you, i was pretty disappointed after Samsung's release.. i heard about this barrel-less, 1080p HD AMOLED Plus display, a tall order indeed, but with Samsung's track record, and complex to beat Apple in every area, totally believable! the Galaxy Nexus released half a year ago attained 720p, so the obvious next step was 1080p, especially after Samsung made that 2048x1536 iPad3 screen for Apple.
Samsung had announced their A15 processor, and everyone started going quadcore, so while i wasnt making any bets on it, i was hopeful for a quadcore A15, instead we got the quadcore A9.
onto the design, i had no gripes with the look of it, short of it didnt look like the rumored barrel-less look. im pleased with white, but shocked theres no black
Not waterproof =[, i know it was a stretch, but early rumors suggested we may see a waterproof Galaxy phone here. sadly not the case
Lastly, i was hopeful for the Xenon flash
basically, we didnt get this
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Why i Reconsidered
Screen
while its very disappointing, it IS an upgrade from the SGSII, just because of sheer pixel density. 720 pentile > 480 RGB
Sound
the SGSIII will be the sound phone of the year! with an amazing Soundchip with DAC, and one of the first to use APT-X LOSSLESS Bluetooth Audio Streaming! my car's new stereo will be very happy!
Better FASTER Camera
while the MP hasnt changed, the sensor of the camera has, and now with zero shutter lag, finally! the picture i see when i snap a shot will be the picture i get, not whatever happens 1 second after.. cant tell you how many great shots ive missed because of this
LED Notification!
finally we get to have an LED notification. with my SGSII ive had to use BLN, and if you know anything about BLN, youll know it rapes your battery. no more choosing between notification or battery life.
Processor
while ive never felt a lag with my SGSII processor, the one area that can always be improved in browser speed. this is the biggest thing quadcore will affect. and a faster browser means a happier me. it will also increase battery life, since ill be spending less time waiting for pages to load.
Support
while its debatable other phones (which will not be named lol) may pose a serious threat, nobody has support like a Galaxy phone. Devs are all over Galaxy phones, and with people like supercurio spreading his voodoo goodness, and Team Hacksung adding their custom AOSP roms, we have lots to look forward to.
New Software Features
while these will probably be ported to the SGSII, its safe to assume theyll work a lot smoother on the phone theyre intended for.
Battery Life
im not sure if well actually see improved battery life, as my SGSII has the 2000MAh extended battery, but im hopeful new hardware will be less energy demanding.
LED Light
yes i said LED Light, i can tell you my SGSII has the brightest light ive seen on any mobile, and i currently own the HTC One X, and the LED is very weak. i use my phone as a flashlight all the time, and my SGSII reads just over 90 lumens using my LUX Meter. i expect the SGSIII will have the same LED, i doubt it will have weaker, and i am hopeful it will have better. (if anyone knows let me know)
NFC
i dont know if ill ever have a chance to use this in the US, but i LOVE the idea of using my phone as a creditcard. like something out of an anime! (any Eden of the East fans out there?)
Something New
im very happy with my phone, but its nice to treat myself to something new every once in a while. god knows we all could use it. it seems the SGSIII will be an improvement in every area of the SGSII

If that picture was a real SGS III....
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Minor correction to the first post - the S3 isn't the first to use Apt-X. The Razr and the One X both have it (as does the iPad3 and several of Apple's computers).

Screen
I don't really think a jump from 720 to 1080 is really going to be that noticable on a smallish screen like what the SGS III will have. I don't tend to look at my device under a magnifying glass. Though on a tablet it would definitely make it sharper.
Camera
Xenon flash would be nice, but it was a bit much to hope for. It will be a step up from my Evo 3D, HTC screwed up the camera on that device. Mp doesn't make a difference if it is a good chip.
Processor
I have my Evo 3D on a custom ROM overclocked and it is running really smoothly. Two extra cores is nice, but the right processor will do right if it is a dual core. I won't be too disappointed if we don't end up with the Exynos here in the states as long as the chip is comparable.
Support
I'm looking forward to an SGS and getting good support from devs. My Evo 3D has been a hassle...
Software
Looking forward to the interesting opportunities with the voice control. I don't care too much for Touchwiz, but there are other launchers that can be used (plus custom ROMs.)
Battery
Newer hardware does tend to be less stressful on the battery even if it is more powerful. I manage my radios well so I'm not too worried, though I am a bit concerned about how the voice control will work with that. I'm not sure if I like the idea of my phone waiting to hear me say Hi Galaxy! because that seems like it might drain the battery.
All in all I'm ready to go up to the Sprint store and tell them to take my money. I was kind of hoping to see a ceramic body, though I am ok with the design they came up with. Looking forward to the AMOLED screen and the decent combination of hardware.

..really hoping our GS3 forums don't get this cluttered with redundant threads when we actually get the phone.
Seriously.. "well everyone else is making these so I will too"..?
With that statement alone it shows you didn't read the rules of XDA, and why your supposed to post in existing threads about the same topic, and how posting multiple threads of the same BS just clutters and makes it harder to find information. Unfortunately there are at least a half dozen threads with the same topic, so you don't have much in the way for excuses or why you made this thread or that this one may be different than the other ones.
*edit* it looks likes the mods are directing all other chat to your other thread. Not sure what makes this one any different but whatever. Just getting sick of scrolling through the general section and seeing a dozen GS3 "what do you think", "this is what I think", "galaxy s3 analysis", "real galaxy s3 analysis"...
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^^^Yup, +1. Glad they're joining these threads...
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Coreym said:
..really hoping our GS3 forums don't get this cluttered with redundant threads when we actually get the phone.
Seriously.. "well everyone else is making these so I will too"..?
With that statement alone it shows you didn't read the rules of XDA, and why your supposed to post in existing threads about the same topic, and how posting multiple threads of the same BS just clutters and makes it harder to find information. Unfortunately there are at least a half dozen threads with the same topic, so you don't have much in the way for excuses or why you made this thread or that this one may be different than the other ones.
*edit* it looks likes the mods are directing all other chat to your other thread. Not sure what makes this one any different but whatever. Just getting sick of scrolling through the general section and seeing a dozen GS3 "what do you think", "this is what I think", "galaxy s3 analysis", "real galaxy s3 analysis"...
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didnt actually read your post but skimmed it enough to get the jist..
can i ask, why are you even in the SGS3 section if youre not here to gossip? the phone isnt even out yet, so clearly youre not here to get support. everyone whos here is here because they want to share their personal opinions, chitchat, gossip, convince themself to get the phone, or try and convince themself not to. nobody is here for development, troubleshoot, or get support of any kind, so if seeing other humans interact is offsetting you like it is, i suggest you come back after May, when the phone is actually released. till then well continue to talk about the pentile display, if the camera is any good, is the sgs3 better than the htc one, and whatever the h3ll else we feel like. so you sir can have a nice day, and let us have ours.

My reason is because I will get more re-sale value of my SGS2 now than in 6 months time (Nexus) or 12 months time (SGS4).

soraxd said:
didnt actually read your post but skimmed it enough to get the jist..
can i ask, why are you even in the SGS3 section if youre not here to gossip? the phone isnt even out yet, so clearly youre not here to get support. everyone whos here is here because they want to share their personal opinions, chitchat, gossip, convince themself to get the phone, or try and convince themself not to. nobody is here for development, troubleshoot, or get support of any kind, so if seeing other humans interact is offsetting you like it is, i suggest you come back after May, when the phone is actually released. till then well continue to talk about the pentile display, if the camera is any good, is the sgs3 better than the htc one, and whatever the h3ll else we feel like. so you sir can have a nice day, and let us have ours.
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Um, his concern isn't with chat/gossip/whatever over the phone, he's annoyed with all the individual topics bring created starting out with "why I chose/ordered the sgs3" or "why I hate the sgs3." It's called forum etiquette 101.
The point is... when there are already nearly IDENTICAL topics, post there instead of starting a brand new one just to stay a new topic. Helps to keep the General section somewhat manageable enough to navigate.
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Use the general thread here for general chat.
We dont need everyone writing one of these, can just go in the general thread.
Edit: And report dupe threads, that way they will get cleaned up much faster.

Samsung Galaxy Note - I tried to like it :-(

I tried to like the Galaxy Note. I really did. However, the size is just to overpowering for me. Plus, I couldn't shake the fact that the GS3 has come out as a more feature-proof device.
When I first got the phone, I was in LOVE, LUST, whatever! However, pulling it out of my purse begin to feel like a chore and the noticeable lag was not something I felt I had to deal with on a $600.00 phone. Now, I know you say, well stall a new launcher/rom. But guys, these treats should ADD to a phone not mask faults/shortcomings.
I have to say, after hearing that the Note II may be a bigger size, I have to wonder what brave soul would carry it? Soon, will be putting Ipads up to our ears!
All in all, I want to say that I have enjoyed the Note forums and have learned soo much. Kudos, to those who LOVE their phones and I wish you a smooth free experience going forward.
P.S. Not looking for a fight, please don't start one. We are entitled to our opinions. That's what makes the world go round
Any Note owners considering the move to the GS3? I'd love to hear from you.

Im sad you feel like that but i guess its personal preference,
For me Ive adapted to the size, at first it was overwhelming but now it feels normal, All other phones feel miniature lol !!
Im also considering the SGS3, but not to replace my Note ! I have 2 lines with my provider and ones almost up, So I think I may get the S3 or hold out for the note2
that being said, Phones are getting bigger and bigger now, The HTC One X is big, Hell even the SGS3 is big !!
I dont make a lot of calls, and when i do i have my head phones / bluetooth headset in, So i rarely need to hold it to my ear.
I love my ''Phablet'' !!!

I could have bought an S3, but I chose the note instead. The S3 has a very slightly better camera sensor and two more cores on a slightly better CPU.
I see the Note's size as a plus, but that's entirely subjective. Both are great devices, and either will serve you well. Sometimes it takes a day or two to really know if you really like a device enough to keep it.

Today I asked a retailer if I could swap my SGN for S3.
I consider moving to S3 because of superbrick bug and screen issues.
But I'm still holding ..... isn't S3 another Samsung phone ?
Little confusion but I'll follow S3 forums and decide.

I was on the.original 5" bandwagon with the sell streak, I have had my note since November and I won't consider anything other than a note 2 for my next device.
There really is no going back from the.functionality of a 5" screen, for me at least.
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You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
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shaolin95 said:
You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
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^I agree with this guy.
Take some time to consider such a concept:
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Ever heard of these little battery-powered race cars from some years ago?
You buy one, Car A, and it goes like say, just for the sake of an example, 20mph. You buy another one, Car B, and it goes for 15mph.
Then you get yourself some aftermarket parts - engines, wheels, or whatever, and modified both Car A and Car B and now you're sure they are both in their fastest. After doing that, Car A now goes at 30mph, while Car B goes at 40mph. Car B is faster now even if it was slower to begin with. It had more potential than Car A - but that won't be realized without some effort on your part. Also, it's also useful to note that the manufacturers of these two cars may be different from each other and may also not be expecting what you intend to do modify their cars as well.
Heck, why am I even using toy cars as a comparison? Should've went straight to phone comparisons and the text would've been much shorter. XD
Anyway, I'm assuming you have a Note. Try not to throw it away and just play with it. Maybe you'll find time to like it some day.

This is the best phone i ever had and i don`t feel the need to buy the Galaxy S3.
I`am not realy fond of touchwizz so i am running CM9, the phone is super fast, has no lags and does work as it is supposed to be.
I love the big screen for browsing, games, video`s and photo`s.
I will probably only change for the Note 2 :victory:

shaolin95 said:
You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
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Difference of opinion. I stand by my original statement. I even upgraded to ICS and while it made some difference in smoothness, the results were negligible plus it added some problems.
Adding to my original post. I also think the Note is going to become the red-headed step-child now that the GS3 is out. May not be true, but that is my gut feeling. Besides, I bought my note, last week -- Technically, I'm already using outdated equipment. For those who are passed their return windows, the Note is great, but for those who still have time to AT LEAST play with the SG3, I would.
Loving the conversation

I love my Note, have a fantastic rom running on it and its lightning fast and perfect for everyday use. Plus it suits my massive hands down to the ground.
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The only my 1 BIG reason getting the Note is S-pen. It really saves my work days apart from other BIG cool features.
If the S-pen means a lots to you then all other smartphones, out there, are being nothing nowadays.

do you really need it?
I'm sensing that you don't need a Note or the S3.
The note is all about utility and function, not form or fashion.
Are you just uncomfortable with not having the latest?
Just how fast/smooth do you need it to be?
If UI speed is your main concern, you need Windows Phone 7.
Looks like you want a WP7 phone like a Lumia 900.

if u r afraid of roms or if think u r going 2 get something good 4 u as a seasoned droid guy
STOCK?
u r insane
what u get is a rom thats good 4 samsung or apple or whowevers biz strategy it happens 2 be
4 me the whole point of using andriod and supporting its accension is **** like xda & linux...the customization
ultimately this stuff is all based on winmo old school winmo & so much was pioneered here on this forum
we r pushing envelopes here
u should have copped an iphone
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11% more pixels and 100% more useful 16 x 10 1280 x 800 vs 720p.
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angieutc said:
Difference of opinion. I stand by my original statement. I even upgraded to ICS and while it made some difference in smoothness, the results were negligible plus it added some problems.
Adding to my original post. I also think the Note is going to become the red-headed step-child now that the GS3 is out. May not be true, but that is my gut feeling. Besides, I bought my note, last week -- Technically, I'm already using outdated equipment. For those who are passed their return windows, the Note is great, but for those who still have time to AT LEAST play with the SG3, I would.
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Check my youtube channel , specially something like the Nova 3 running Smooth on NOTE video and tell me if it there difference is negligible.

I don't like my Note...
I love it
And the S3 won't change my mind!
Waiting for Note2
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Interesting discussion, and I'd like to post my opinion as well.
What clearly differentiates the Note from other phones is the size. And the pen. I almost forgot about the pen, as I hardly use it. For me, a Note would be equally fine if it came without the pen. Some will disagree here, as they have other usage requirements.
I deliberately chose the Note due to the screen size. I had iphone and other phones, and I use the phone frequently to watch movies and to browse the web during my frequent travels. Having used iphone and others previously, I got more and more depressed with the small screens. I can say that I appreciate the Note's larger screen and its great resultion. It makes these tasks simply more fun.
If someone performs tasks such as phone calls and SMS, the larger screen size does not benefit (much). So appreciation with the phone is releated to its use.
So I believe the phone serves people with certain specific requirements, and other features/functions are then simply less important.
Unfortunately for me, watching movies is somewhat affected by the bad screen gamma as reported at many several in the forum. But I still would not want to change back to a smaller size, as I am not much disturbed by it and I can live with the issue (also because my screen is by far not as bad as what some guys report here).
If I ever (have to) change the phone, I wish it would have the following characteristics:
1. Approx. same screen size, but certainly not smaller
2. No gamma issue / better gamma calibration
3. Better back camera (better sharpness, less distortion, better light sensitivity)
4. Provide root access out of the box (no jailbreak/rooting required)
5. Better battery life of Android OS (probably requires better software programming skills)
Performance-wise, I am totally happy with what I have now, and I am not requiring more CPU cores or higher frequency. My phone has been totally responsive all the time out of the box since November 2011.
I had GB 2.3.5, 2.3.6 and ICS 4.0.3, am now on Paranoid Android 0.4 as I totally disliked the email app in ICS. So the operating system still matters somewhat. So it is good to have a choice here.

The only time I feel that the Note is too big is when I am in "dangerous" zones in the city where people could snatch your phone anytime! I mean if you take out a smaller phone, it would probably go unnoticed at 60% of times, but with the Note out in your hands, this huge beast will surely attracts everyone's attention in 99% rate!
Otherwise, I never encountered any so called problems that many people are complaining about!

Some adapt to Note's size, some don't. Good thing is that we have a choice. I'm really against Apple-like "one size fits all" philosophy.

from a gamer's perspective i say : f*ck all other phones, the screen is just perfect for my taste.

Did OP order a production stop for the Op5 ?

I did order my Op5 4 days ago in germany, when the availableness was OnStock.
It should have been gone into delivery on 03.07 and arrive on 06.07. But it went into delivery on 01.07 already and will arrive at 03.07.
But thats not the point, just a bit gloating
The Poing is, that the availableness changed to delivery within 4 day on 01.07.
A day later it was within 11 days and now it is within 4 weeks.
Im curious, did they stop the production and delivery to fix the jelly screen or are the suddenly sold out within only a few days ?

Hope they stopped production to fix this.
Otherwise u can have mine, UPS picks it up tomorrow.

KornY10 said:
Hope they stopped production to fix this.
Otherwise u can have mine, UPS picks it up tomorrow.
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guess takes a while to put all the returned phones back into sale

I would guess it is very popular. It is a lot of phone for the money and not many people will have heard of the jelly effect
Alan

It's just for the 8GB RAM/128GB Storage version, no? At the HU store it says for the 6/64: "Ships immediately", for th 8/128: "Ships within 4 weeks"
Maybe they are out of stock for the black version...

Let's not speculate. It could be anything.
It could be that they have ordered more thorough QA but it could also simply be that they are diverting stock to regions where demand is higher and returns are lower.

I think the warehouses in Europe are now empty. (first batch?) In addition, the smaller model is in stock and immediately available. I order my on 01.07 and it will be delivered from GB in 2 weeks.

They are just out of stock for 8/128gb. They arent fixing any "jelly" effect as its completely normal effect and is visible with mamy other phones like Samsung Galaxy S8+, Nexus 6P and many others. Less than 1% of OP5 owners even see that effect.
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zige said:
They are just out of stock for 8/128gb. They arent fixing any "jelly" effect as its completely normal effect and is visible with mamy other phones like Samsung Galaxy S8+, Nexus 6P and many others. Less than 1% of OP5 owners even see that effect.
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It's visible on other phones yes... But when used upsidedown...
And have you a source that proves less than 1% of users see the jelly effect ?
Ah fanboy...

zige said:
They are just out of stock for 8/128gb. They arent fixing any "jelly" effect as its completely normal effect and is visible with mamy other phones like Samsung Galaxy S8+, Nexus 6P and many others. Less than 1% of OP5 owners even see that effect.
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No those other phones don't have that same issue. I've used every phone you mentioned. I have a S8+, OP5, and I had a 6P before. The OP5 is the only phone to have this issue and I have 2 different OP5 and they both exhibit the behavior. The 1% number you just pulled out of your a**.

alex9898 said:
It's visible on other phones yes... But when used upsidedown...
And have you a source that proves less than 1% of users see the jelly effect ?
Ah fanboy...
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No, its visible other phones when they are on right side. Well you see yourself how many people cry about it compared to how many phones they have already sold. Really small amount of users are crying about it. Many says its looks just like normal. And fanboy? Ahaha dont laugh me I'm more like Samsung fanboy. I have owned all Samsung flagships (from Galaxy S-models and Galaxy Note models), this is my second Oneplus phone as i need to know basics of all phones because of my work at mobile servicer.
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No those other phones don't have that same issue. I've used every phone you mentioned. I have a S8+, OP5, and I had a 6P before. The OP5 is the only phone to have this issue and I have 2 different OP5 and they both exhibit the behavior. The 1% number you just pulled out of your a**.
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Of course i pulled 1% out of my ass. Damn people on XDA is so funny and taking things so seriously. Nobody really has any clue about exact amount. But its 100% sure its normal behaviour and only really small amount of OP5 owners really even sees it. I barely even see it, i see it exact like on other phones so maybe im seeing it wrong then. And yes, i have looked about 20-30 OP5 phones and all of them i barely see it.
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zige said:
No, its visible other phones when they are on right side. Well you see yourself how many people cry about it compared to how many phones they have already sold. Really small amount of users are crying about it. Many says its looks just like normal. And fanboy? Ahaha dont laugh me I'm more like Samsung fanboy. I have owned all Samsung flagships (from Galaxy S-models and Galaxy Note models), this is my second Oneplus phone as i need to know basics of all phones because of my work at mobile servicer.
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Of course i pulled 1% out of my ass. Damn people on XDA is so funny and taking things so seriously. Nobody really has any clue about exact amount. But its 100% sure its normal behaviour and only really small amount of OP5 owners really even sees it. I barely even see it, i see it exact like on other phones so maybe im seeing it wrong then. And yes, i have looked about 20-30 OP5 phones and all of them i barely see it.
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I doubt very few people see it as there are multiple threads on this issue here, elsewhere like reddit, videos on youtube, as well as major stories on websites about it. I think it is a very widespread complaint. These are just a few websites. Imagine how many people it bothers, but they don't comment at places like xda about it. Now how much it bothers you is your own personal feeling. Personally it causes my eyes to hurt and gives me headaches and apparently it bothers many others as well as noticed by all the threads about the issue.

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No, its visible other phones when they are on right side.
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No it's not. But because you make the claim, I will wait for you to prove it.
Well you see yourself how many people cry about it compared to how many phones they have already sold. Really small amount of users are crying about it. Many says its looks just like normal.
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So basically you just made up the "less than 1%".
Moreover, not all people that brought the phone will come to XDA... or is there an obligation to come here post every time your phone has a problem ?
The fact is that the jelly effect is one of the most (if not the most) discussed OP5's subject on XDA, Reddit or in the OP forums.
And fanboy? Ahaha dont laugh me I'm more like Samsung fanboy. I have owned all Samsung flagships (from Galaxy S-models and Galaxy Note models), this is my second Oneplus phone as i need to know basics of all phones because of my work at mobile servicer.
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Your are defending a phone with false claim and made up %...

zige said:
No, its visible other phones when they are on right side. Well you see yourself how many people cry about it compared to how many phones they have already sold. Really small amount of users are crying about it. Many says its looks just like normal. And fanboy? Ahaha dont laugh me I'm more like Samsung fanboy. I have owned all Samsung flagships (from Galaxy S-models and Galaxy Note models), this is my second Oneplus phone as i need to know basics of all phones because of my work at mobile servicer.
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Of course i pulled 1% out of my ass. Damn people on XDA is so funny and taking things so seriously. Nobody really has any clue about exact amount. But its 100% sure its normal behaviour and only really small amount of OP5 owners really even sees it. I barely even see it, i see it exact like on other phones so maybe im seeing it wrong then. And yes, i have looked about 20-30 OP5 phones and all of them i barely see it.
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Sure dude!
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But its 100% sure its normal behaviour and only really small amount of OP5 owners really even sees it.
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Yeah it's 100% sure because... ?
See, made up % again.
Nothing is 100% sure because we don't have official or even estimated numbers !!!

alex9898 said:
Yeah it's 100% sure because... ?
See, made up % again.
Nothing is 100% sure because we don't have official or even estimated numbers !!!
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hahaha these fanboys...

Well it's really simple, people that are not satisfied or keep complaining all the time should RMA or not buy the phone and leave this thread, iI get sick and tired of people telling me my phone is defective while it's not. I don't have weird animations and my OP5 is perfectly fine. My phone is from the first batch by the way. Just my 2 cents ??

gee2012 said:
Well it's really simple, people that are not satisfied or keep complaining all the time should RMA or not buy the phone and leave this thread, iI get sick and tired of people telling me my phone is defective while it's not. I don't have weird animations and my OP5 is perfectly fine. My phone is from the first batch by the way. Just my 2 cents ?
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I'll add my bit here as well...... I also have no problem with scrolling and am perfectly happy with my OP5.

Same, I'm sure I was one of the first people to order this phone during the presale in the USA, and I don't notice anything wrong with the display. And I use a ton of different phones, rotate phones every 2-3 months....

BoboBrazil said:
I doubt very few people see it as there are multiple threads on this issue here, elsewhere like reddit, videos on youtube, as well as major stories on websites about it. I think it is a very widespread complaint. These are just a few websites. Imagine how many people it bothers, but they don't comment at places like xda about it. Now how much it bothers you is your own personal feeling. Personally it causes my eyes to hurt and gives me headaches and apparently it bothers many others as well as noticed by all the threads about the issue.
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It's more of a clickbait, a scandal if you will that sells. Mass hysteria yadda yadda.
Personally I've yet to see this jelly effect on my OP5. I feel for them who suffer from this but I doubt it's that high number of people that actually suffer from this.
But yeah, moot point to argue I guess.
Oh and yes, sure I'm a fanboy, this is my first OP phone.

gcam port works wonders

I posted this in the real life review section as well but that kind of gets buried. The gcam from bsg(https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/) for the mi 8 works wonders on this thing. Takes camera quality from truly bad to right behind my pixel 2. i made a post on reddit where i posted a cropped comparison of stock v gcam v p2 in a lowly lit room of some carpet. Carpet is a good test just like grass for comparing fine details. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/ . Same results can be seen from the front facing camera as well its like razer isnt doing anything special with algorithms just if it takes a picture its good enough when the hardware is capable of so much more.

cs88 said:
I posted this in the real life review section as well but that kind of gets buried. The gcam from bsg(https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/) for the mi 8 works wonders on this thing. Takes camera quality from truly bad to right behind my pixel 2. i made a post on reddit where i posted a cropped comparison of stock v gcam v p2 in a lowly lit room of some carpet. Carpet is a good test just like grass for comparing fine details. https://www.reddit.com/r/razerphone/comments/9rv2ed/google_cam_port_quality_vs_stock_app_vs_pixel_2/ . Same results can be seen from the front facing camera as well its like razer isnt doing anything special with algorithms just if it takes a picture its good enough when the hardware is capable of so much more.
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Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?

jal3223 said:
Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?
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I will definitely post more today and I'll leave them full sized as well instead of a cropped section. Right now the version I am using only works with hdr+ on so it takes maybe 1 second to save a photo. The trade off is well worth it but hopefully either an update to the port or a better one comes along so hdr+ off works too.

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Do you mind posting a few more pics if possible in different scenarios? Also, is the Gcam super slow or anything?
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i have posted some more pictures on the reddit thread i will be adding more pictures over time.

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i have posted some more pictures on the reddit thread i will be adding more pictures over time.
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Awesome, thanks man! The Gcam does make a huge difference. I'm excited about picking one up soon. I'm just holding off to be sure it can be rooted.

Thanks for the tip. Its a night and day difference using gcam vs the default cam.
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Thanks for the tip. Its a night and day difference using gcam vs the default cam.
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good to hear. I just wanted to try and get the word out that the camera is not actually as awful as all the reviews say it is. I mean yeah with the stock app the quality is awful in any scenario. With the gcam port it can keep up with my pixel 2 xl which is not a bad place to be. this phone is too good to be overlooked because people dont know about the google cam ports.

Just tested, massive difference. Appreciate you posting this!

Doesn't this thing have the same Sony sensor as the Pixel 3? If that's true, all of Google's fancy machine learning they did for that phone becomes pretty much directly applicable. So it would stand to reason this phone could benefit quite a lot more than others from GCam ports.

CurtisMJ said:
Doesn't this thing have the same Sony sensor as the Pixel 3? If that's true, all of Google's fancy machine learning they did for that phone becomes pretty much directly applicable. So it would stand to reason this phone could benefit quite a lot more than others from GCam ports.
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Yeah this has the same imx363 that's in the pixel 3. The LG v40, Poco f1, mi 8 and others also have this sensor. Too bad no reviewers will review this with the gcam port.. instead they will keep telling everyone the camera is trash

It's a good first step, probably the most stable gcam on a Razer ever.
That being said, ZSL and Slow Motion do not work.

Can confirm major difference.

Confirmed. Major difference. Roll my eyes when people say the camera is "trash". Compared my OnePlus 6 to my Razer Phone 2 w/ gcam. Razer phone 2 looks better imo. Here are some pics.

Shooting in raw gives pretty decent results. Gcam doesn't seem to expose any pro settings though so I think I could do better.

cs88 said:
Yeah this has the same imx363 that's in the pixel 3. The LG v40, Poco f1, mi 8 and others also have this sensor. Too bad no reviewers will review this with the gcam port.. instead they will keep telling everyone the camera is trash
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it would be dumb if reviewers start doing that. And that would make the phone makers lazy. It the manufacturers work to make it a out of the box wonder, not a third party enthusiast who looks after it and makes it work the way it should.

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it would be dumb if reviewers start doing that. And that would make the phone makers lazy. It the manufacturers work to make it a out of the box wonder, not a third party enthusiast who looks after it and makes it work the way it should.
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The thing is the phone is being slammed for a bad camera. so people dont buy it thinking the camera is bad when its just the app. Reviews should make a side note can greatly improve the quality by trying a 3rd party. Your comment is like saying google chrome (or any other stock google app) sucks on a pixel device like there arent any alternatives to use instead. imagine reviews "the browser is laggy dont buy" then install firefox its fine. i know for a fact if i didnt know about google cam ports after watching reviews i probably would not have bought it or if i did i definitely would have returned it after seeing the trash first hand.

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The thing is the phone is being slammed for a bad camera. so people dont buy it thinking the camera is bad when its just the app. Reviews should make a side note can greatly improve the quality by trying a 3rd party. Your comment is like saying google chrome (or any other stock google app) sucks on a pixel device like there arent any alternatives to use instead. imagine reviews "the browser is laggy dont buy" then install firefox its fine. i know for a fact if i didnt know about google cam ports after watching reviews i probably would not have bought it or if i did i definitely would have returned it after seeing the trash first hand.
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While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?

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While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?
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I actually kind of agree with this. Messing with modded apks is probably beyond like 70-80% of users and it's actually kind of dangerous the less you know what you're doing. I know for a fact I can squeeze the best out of hardware I buy, but I wouldn't be able to recommend this phone on camera performance to anyone else. Especially when they can just buy a Pixel 3.
A good point though is that unlike with the previous Razer phone there is at least no hardware limit. This means Razer has massive headroom to improve their software for a better out of the box experience. And since this device is their only shot currently, they're kind of obliged to not give up. Unfortunately it means waiting.

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I actually kind of agree with this. Messing with modded apks is probably beyond like 70-80% of users and it's actually kind of dangerous the less you know what you're doing. I know for a fact I can squeeze the best out of hardware I buy, but I wouldn't be able to recommend this phone on camera performance to anyone else. Especially when they can just buy a Pixel 3.
A good point though is that unlike with the previous Razer phone there is at least no hardware limit. This means Razer has massive headroom to improve their software for a better out of the box experience. And since this device is their only shot currently, they're kind of obliged to not give up. Unfortunately it means waiting.
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thats why i say they can mention something like "if you want to fiddle and understand some risk you can greatly improve it if not get something else" instead of flatly condemning it. I sadly dont have hopes of razer improving the cam quality would be nice if they did. Everyone had hopes of essential fixing their cam quality after them saying they would... nope didnt happen. And yeah no i wouldnt recommend it to anyone for camera performance unless i know they are capable to know the risks and whatnot when it comes to a modded apk.

arc_knight said:
While your idea fundamentally works, not everything is black and white. You are on XDA, and that itself says a lot about you. I can easily say that if you have doubt about something, you look it up on internet first then start talking with relatives about the doubt. There is a huge demographic who is not going to bother with all that nonsense. They will just buy a phone, go to play at the very best if something nags. They will keep complaining about it for the rest of their lives. Saying its software's fault is stupid. Don't you blame Sony for their unremarkable performance in camera department even though they have the top Sensors embedded in them?
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i kind of sounded like an ass with my reply didnt mean to. i just mean they can mention something like "if you want to fiddle and understand some risk you can greatly improve it if not get something else" instead of flatly condemning it. to be honest i always forget sonys exist and that one i never understood but they deserve the flak since they make the sensors and have a camera division so thats kind of a different thing. i give razer some slack for having a crap camera app since they are relatively new to this. Sony doesnt deserve any slack. razers ceo and his "top engineers" as he calls them do need to step it up not easy but it can happen. And it technically is the software at fault just saying. They can fix it and everything will be good in the world or they can leave it like its current rotten potato state.