Interesting article on the new ipad buyers - Eee Pad Transformer General

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.

oooohhh shiny i want one.....oh wait i have something better lol.

Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!

alizafar said:
Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple clearly are the Kings when it comes to spinning stuff...
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goodintentions said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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quoted for truth

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Well you have your hardcore groups in either. I know people with an iPad 1 that didn't feel compelled to buy a 2... but the jump from 1 to 3 warrants a new purchase. I have a Transformer but didn't rush out for the Prime just because. Mine works great and nothing pushes it to a place where it under performs. Same with any make and model.
Its like console sales. Fanboys always say PS3 is selling more or 360 has the lead.... but eventually everyone who wants one will have one and numbers decline. Putting a bigger processor to run a larger screen resolution cancel out the speed benefits of said quad core. Plus native resolution will look good on any screen designed to run that specific resolution. My transformer has a beautiful screen with great clarity but I'm not running 1920x1200... how can that be!!!!
Super high resolutions are best left for the big dogs (ie PCs). 1280x1024 is plenty for a 10" screen. My 26" LCD PC monitor runs at 1920x1200... overkill for a 10" screen.
The downfall is now your forced to stream higher quality video because 480p will look like total crap when stretched to much. That or play them at their native size which will be super tiny = defeats purpose. Plus iOS is faced with ANOTHER resolution change, and we all know apps don't scale in Apple land... so prepare to purchase all your apps and games for their HD+ editions all over again.
Pass.
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baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.

i think apple needs to realize that a 4:3 resolution is NOT FOR MOVIES, NOT FOR WEBSITES
they should have gone with 2048x1280 for 16:10 res. 2048x1152 is just too thin(16:9, as in dell's SP2309W that is 2048x1152)
still though 1920x1200 is plenty for a 10 inch screen.
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i bet they asked some old people if they could tell the difference between 250ppi and 132ppi
for the record TF101 is at 150ppi. i think 200 is the sweet spot

goodintentions said:
Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
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Um, yes. Maybe not you personally and i never say you. I'm just saying the majority of the consumers out there. you think the majority of Android users will even know what tegra2 is of you ask them. LOL

either ive converted a few people in our area or the Ipad3 just didnt do it for them.........
We took 4 paid pre orders on Thursday (yes only 4) - sold around the same amount again on the
launch day, and maybe a few more than that yesterday......so out of just over 40 we had around half still in stock left,
Think we sold more Ipad2 tbh. We had them side by side with the inpregnated Apple demo photos on the screen and although to some the difference was clear, others didnt see alot in it......infact the majority said "which ones the new one?".......and the ipad2 photos were taken in over cast conditions which showed the ipad3s sunny snaps up better (hmmm)
Ipad2 launch was carnage and was sold out in under half an hour - including main warehouse.
Personally the screen and camera to me are definately much improved.....didnt see much speed difference. Think id be disapointed going from a 2 to a 3 though.

When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote
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The disingenuous part of the speech was where he explains why the iPad will never be beaten by Android tablets: He proceeds to show two apps, for each app he shows the the Android version which looks like a stretched/scaled phone app and then he shows the iOS version which look like HC/ICS tablet apps.
There's several problems with this:
A) If this is his justification for that statement, his justification is a joke.
B) His team handpicked the two worst apps to make his point. It's like claiming you're the strongest in the village and beating up a toddler to prove it. If he wanted to do a fair comparison he should have compared the iOS YouTube app to the Android HC/ICS YouTube app because the YouTube app (and other apps like the G-Mail app) on HC/ICS showcases the new ActionBar and Fragment classes Google introduced from HC onward.
He took the two worst apps that didn't utilize these classes and of course as a result they looked like **** compared to the iOS versions. His justification = a big LOL.
Here's a picture diagram of the YouTube app on both Android and iOS and you'll see they're very similar and if he had shown this it would have deflated his weak punchline. Each fragment (in red/blue) can hold what used to be separate activities so you can see multiple activities on the screen at once on the extra real estate of a tablet screen. The menu is no longer hidden by a hardware or software button. It's proudly displayed on the top as an Options Menu on the ActionBar for crucial options and the rest or what won't fit goes in the overflow menu (green).
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Just wait 'til they announce the iPhone 5...eh...I mean the iPhone 4GS.

Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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erm we will get a fix for that u know dont be so cynical

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Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.

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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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Your 15 tf's might be all good but the FACT is the random reboot problem exist. It's posted all over this and other forums.
Personally i dont suffer from this random reboot but I'm not going to pretend ALL TF are like mine.

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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Asus Transformer all the way.

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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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I've got three android devices, two ios devices and one webos device. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there's no doubt that the ios devices are better built and offer a better user experience.
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Xoom, then iPad 2, now Xoom. UNBIASED REVIEW.

Hello, I have been around since day 1 and purchased a 3G Xoom from Best Buy on release day. Ofcourse it was odd from the start with no one in the store knowing what it was. I was showed the "Zune" lol..
Returned it @ day 14 and got a Gift card.
On release day I got the iPad 2 3G 32GB.
Yesterday, I traded my iPad2 for a New Xoom 3G + 200$.
Here is my review..
First off, a big thing in consideration to anyone is the weight.
I believe the Xoom weight's 1.6 and the iPad 2 1.3 but it is a noticeable difference.
If you are a weaker individual or feeble woman I wouldn't recommend the Xoom.
Weight: iPad 2
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I believe both devices are very sturdy and beautiful pieces of technology. But hand's down the Xoom feel's more expensive. From it's sleek curve's to even it's sexy back exposing the L.E.D flash.
Build Quality: Xoom
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Alot of people here say that because the Xoom has a higher res it's "better" but that's not true. I am guessing Motorola used Vizio type panel screen while Apple went with a higher quality. Nonetheless I still think if the iPad 2 screen is a 9/10 then the Xoom is 8.5/10.
Screen Quality: iPad 2
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Multimedia experience and video capabilities are a big thing to not only the modding community but the common folk alike. For instance, if my mom got the Xoom who is not very tech savy put video on it; She honestly wouldn't be able to.
The only downfall of the Xoom IS VIDEO PLAYBACK. ONLY.
And, iTunes. But.... What can you do right?
Speakers on the Xoom are vibrant and I absolutely love having back the Stereo sound.
L.E.D Flash on the device I can literally record in pitch black conditions. I have been having an issue with a little stuttering while recording though even in good lit conditions.
Hands down both Front/Rear Camera's are superior to iPad's.
Because of the fact this is a "open" device people like myself believed I could drag and drop easily movie's/tv show's and such to the Xoom. I hate this problem but hope it will fix itself.
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The ability to access file system's easily and mod and one's will the Operating System to choose is obviously Android.
The beauty of every movement on Honeycomb is amazing. With the correct widgets and right wallpaper you can make your device a wonder to look at.
The iPad 2 is simply Box icons. I believe Apple will have to evolve this concept to keep up with Android Honeycomb. Remember, Android first started with a G1 with big iPhone.
All in all Operating System experience goes to the Xoom.
O.S Experience: Xoom
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Last but not least is the Web Browsing.
I could finish this review in a sentence and say Xoom is better but.... FORECLOSURES!!! It happened to my first and this as-well it will randomly just exit itself. So i'm deep into 3-4 tabs and boom everything exit's I lose all progress.
Beside's these pesky mishaps the Stock Browser is magnificent ! Flash is available although I keep off.
Web Experience will have to go with iPad 2 mainly because it is more refined and you can download so many "Tablet" specific replacement's. Will Honeycomb mature? I think so. But can anything happen to Google or.... What they see the future? They are still thinking of Chrome tablet's.
Web Experience: iPad 2
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Long and tedious review. It really depends on what you want from a device. Personally, I am happy I have the Xoom back... Android has a tremendous amount of potential I can feel it.
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If you are a weaker individual or feeble woman I wouldn't recommend the Xoom.
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Nearly choked on my sandwich when I read this I lol'd so hard
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Nearly choked on my sandwich when I read this I lol'd so hard
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I tried to read this over and over again. How is the screen quailty on the Xoom weaker than the Ipad 2?
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I tried to read this over and over again. How is the screen quailty on the Xoom weaker than the Ipad 2?
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I'm guessing he means in terms of colour vibrancy and general brightness, but not in terms of resolution.
I think he means in terms of brightness, while the Xoom has a much better resolution Apple stuck really bright lights in theirs to make it look better, as a result it has much brighter prettier colors
or something along those lines but most likely in a less sarcastic way
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I tried to read this over and over again. How is the screen quailty on the Xoom weaker than the Ipad 2?
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Xoom screen is "washed out" compare to my iPad 1. Heck, my Gtablet looks better, more pop (looking at the correct angle of course) than the xoom. Which one thing that really bother me about the xoom, everything else is golden, and I love it.
I'm waiting for the Asus transformer IPS screen tablet. I'll check it out and see if I still want to keep the xoom. I'm a photographer, and having a great screen on my tablet is a must.
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I could finish this review in a sentence and say Xoom is better but.... FORECLOSURES!!!
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I think maybe if you'd make your mortgage payments this wouldn't be a problem for you. I don't think you should blame the Xoom for your financial mismanagement.
blackarsenic said:
I tried to read this over and over again. How is the screen quailty on the Xoom weaker than the Ipad 2?
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You must be blind, ask your parents.
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I have a SmartQ R10, which has the same IPS screen as the iPad1/2. With that in mind, I feel that the IPS screen is superior to what the Xoom has. Screen angles are fine, but there's a slight bluish tint that I just can't get past on the Xoom (I think it's TFT screens, in general). The colors on the IPS screen seem more natural to me.
I'm an avid comics reader, and I can actually see the yellowing of the pages on the IPS screen. Not so much on the Xoom screen. Just my two cents.
You missed the 800 lb gorilla... apps.
On one you have tens of thousands. The other has a handful.
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Nearly choked on my sandwich when I read this I lol'd so hard
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I was being serious.. My Fiance hate's the Xoom as she get's tired holding it quickly. I love the feel personally as I feel it ad's to the feel of quality.
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I tried to read this over and over again. How is the screen quailty on the Xoom weaker than the Ipad 2?
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Brightness/Viewing Angles. Just go to a Best Buy. Turn Xoom brightness to Full then Turn iPad 2 brightness to full. Then also view a few similar websites and check viewing angles.
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You missed the 800 lb gorilla... apps.
On one you have tens of thousands. The other has a handful.
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You sure spend a lot of energy bashing a product you have stated that you only intend to return anyways. Do you have anything productive to add? Your posting history suggests not.
The xoom has thousands of apps that work just fine scaled up.
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Brightness/Viewing Angles. Just go to a Best Buy. Turn Xoom brightness to Full then Turn iPad 2 brightness to full. Then also view a few similar websites and check viewing angles.
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I already find the xoom too bright most of the time, I don't want more brightness, and I don't have any issues at all with the xoom's viewing angles.
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I was being serious.. My Fiance hate's the Xoom as she get's tired holding it quickly. I love the feel personally as I feel it ad's to the feel of quality.
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Do you call your fiance a weak feeble woman to her face?? I very much think not
I didn't know there was such a thing as an "unbiased" review. Isn't all of this one's personal preference thus making it biased? I think an unbiased review would be if just specs were compared. Once preference or one's "experience" get involved it then turns to biased because everyones preference or experience could differ. Thanks for the good info though.
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You sure spend a lot of energy bashing a product you have stated that you only intend to return anyways. Do you have anything productive to add? Your posting history suggests not.
The xoom has thousands of apps that work just fine scaled up.
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Someone's grumpy...
What's the point of awkwardly scaled up phone apps? I'll answer that, there is none. The only thing that matters is tablet apps.
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Someone's grumpy...
What's the point of awkwardly scaled up phone apps? I'll answer that, there is none. The only thing that matters is tablet apps.
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Give it time, young Padawan. Even your mighty ipad had little that was tablet optimized for weeks/months after launch. (I know, I had a 64gig one from launch day). It lived on scaled phone apps as well, but in a MUCH uglier fashion.
I love my Xoom. But my wifes iPad 1 has a nicer looking screen with better viewing angle. I have a laptop witha similar screen to the Xoom, and I believe a lot has to do with which type of diffuser they use.

Galaxy - VS - iPhone

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Posted weeks ago .
I phone wins it has a SEARCH button .
jje
I know, having to hold down a button for 1 second is SUCH a drag on the SGS2..
These pictures will keep coming for every iteration of the iPhone.
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Posted weeks ago .
I phone wins it has a SEARCH button .
jje
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what search button?
haha =) Apple have to do something big in the future now..
These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
Don't become as Iphone funboys pls.
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These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
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It`s made to laugh only.. you mention resolution. all websites favorizeses SAMOLED+ over the IPS display. UI on the iPhone is the same as it was back in 2007 with only icons on the screen, nothing more.
The list could actually contained 3x more stuff than it does, making the iPhoneusers look like they live in a prison.
But both have pros and cons, that`s right. But the picture still is funny;D
Comparing a year old iphone to the, less than a month old galaxy S II is a bit weak.
That said, iphone is a GAME changer and MAGICAL woooooooo weeeeeeeee
there are many things for a serious developer standpoint that are way better on ios. But from a user standpoint just looking at hardware course the sgs2 is super, it's way newer! But at the end of the day, most of those points on the list aren't true. I have dlna streaming on 3gs i have etc. Wirless sync, wicked multitasking and can even force an app to act as foreground even when in background (continue play video, running a graphics filter on an image etc). Comparing the 2 only has a point to the individual comparing. I dont get this defensiveness over phones really. oh well
Well, I happened to change loads of mobile devices (buy and sell ofcourse), some of them being HTC Desire HD, HTC HD7, Samsung Galaxy S, LG Optimus 2x, Nokia N8, Nokia C7, Xperia Arc, and now the iPhone.
I have to say that, although it is a little bit limited when it comes to "openness" compared to almost every other OS (Windows Phone OS is by far the worst crap I have ever tasted, so I dont even count it in), iPhone has the + that it is much more stable than anything else in the market, which is what people really want when it comes to business usage. And everything that it has on it works exactly as it should (e.g. the 5mp camera quality is fantastic, and way better, especially when it comes to 720p recording, than all the other devices I owned). GPS "hooks up" in max 20 secs, battery life is excellent, it never crashes, it is always lightning fast with no hick-ups (had many of these problems with Galaxy S).
And now, suddenly, the news is that Android is being struck by viruses and trojans (I personally believe that, if such malware exist, its either Jobbs job, or Gates ). When I had the Arc, I installed AVG, which was crap, and when I uninstalled it it ****ed up my device, which required a full restore.
I wish that Google just stopped jumping from version to version lightning fast (7 versions in 3 years is an exaggeration), and just pause for a year, trying to refine 2.3 OS and the Android Market management.
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These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
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There is a difference though. most of the claims the iPhone can make against the SGS2 are subjective only, not technical. The resolution of the screen is pretty much the only one it can win and there are counter arguments about other aspects of the screen (poor blacks, small size, wrong aspect ratio etc).
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There is a difference though. most of the claims the iPhone can make against the SGS2 are subjective only, not technical. The resolution of the screen is pretty much the only one it can win and there are counter arguments about other aspects of the screen (poor blacks, small size, wrong aspect ratio etc).
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Hence why I said a hardware comparison is obviously sgs2 bias. But IOS vs Android is another matter. But the best is always what most suits the individual. Not what anyone other than YOU say. So thats why I still think comparing them in anything but superficial and subjective ways is almost impossible. UI speed, but what if your a little slow Customizable to hell, what if you dont customize, touch response, what if your not one to notice, call quality, what if you only ever phone when your on a building site lol Everything is context based and subjective
Of course, everything is subjective in this matter. But when all the reviewers come with the same conclusion on which is the best, can we then conclude that the product is best for the mass? (Generally)
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Of course, everything is subjective in this matter. But when all the reviewers come with the same conclusion on which is the best, can we then conclude that the product is best for the mass? (Generally)
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Ahhh, a philosophical question
In my very humble opinion (relevant only to meee):
2 answers:
a) you can conclude what you want, as it's your conclusion (but no1 else's)
b) in only as much as you believe one, two or even a group can speak for the entire population all users.
Even with just the sales figures, even though iphone product range in mobile smartphone market has a much bigger share than samsung smartphones, I would not presume that ip4 is better for the masses. For to conclude of presumption is but a fools game
enough of my bs now
nice work
what exactly makes the multitasking on the gs2 real and the multitasking on the iphone 4 fake? on android i thought all the devices you have to hold down the home button which pops up an apps list and go to another app just like you do on iphone
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what exactly makes the multitasking on the gs2 real and the multitasking on the iphone 4 fake? on android i thought all the devices you have to hold down the home button which pops up an apps list and go to another app just like you do on iphone
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That is correct for android - and that'll switch you like one does in windows.
With apple, SOME apps will multi-task but others with simply close down and restart when you open them. For example every time I go to re-open IM+ (after a few minutes of browsing/gaming etc) it will have to rebuild my session.
My calendar apps has to re-pull down my events. A few games have to reload.
(this all goes on on an iPad so it's not as if it's not meant to multi-task)
It could just be with my experiences of apps, but I've never had this problem with my phone.
Also i think that's the way the iPhone 4 achieves such a good battery life, because many of the apps are not actually running in the background, even thought they appear to be - not sure about that though.
Honestly? I just don't care about these ordeals anymore. Honestly I prefer the openness of android and hate itunes and having to screw with that whole deal to put media on my phone. I think that rejecting facts is frustrating on either end but tend to see this more on the iphone end in my personal experiences. I also think it is intelligent and obviously works, but the way apple exploits the less technically savvy people who buy a $40 fm radio adapter or car adapter that is apple specific compared to the $5 one that is generic and works with any media device : / there are some benefits and perhaps people either don't care. Or really want to 'accessorize' all their stuff to be apple-tastic. But i think some people are disappointingly exploited by this. Also name brand association has pissed me off. Graduated high school a few years back and hated hearing 'no listening to ipods' thinking i should be able to take out my sansa, (enter name of any pmp besides ipod here). And tell them screw off because they said simply no ipods assuming that would cover everything. But reliability is nice. They have stepped up their game with using decent hardware typically their hardware was far behind and charged 150% and still sold. But the iphone 4 was on par hardware wise with other phones and their ipads appear to be as well. But to each his own if anyone wants to spend their money on that that's their personal deal.
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nice work
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Thank you starting to see the pic all over the web now.. haha

Went through two primes

I had to return two Prime's. One had a busted vibrator and two stuck pixels that i couldn't fix after 36 hours of a pixel fixing program. The other had a screen defect similar to if you placed a white led Christmas light directly behind a sheet of white paper. They both ran like champs but to hell with the supposed super awesome better than ever super ips+ screens.
I have given up on the prime. I am going to sell the dock on ebay for a profit.
Could anyone who has used a Prime please tell me how well it runs and works vs your Original Transformer? I have read about the reasons why people may or may not want to upgrade to the Prime with the T700 coming soon or whatever but I really want to hear from people who have first hand experience on both. The lack of complaints here in general has me optimistic.
Am I going to miss the thinness and feel of the Prime? Does the OG feel as nice in the hand? Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net? I don't game much...other than ROMS and Angry Birds so I don't care about that as much.
I have read about the dock drain issue and have to assume if I buy new, which I will, that this will not be an issue. Please let me know if I am wrong about that.
Also, have there been many issues with the screen? If I buy this and the screen is defective I am not sure it will make it back to the store. I will probably throw it at a wall and have a heart attack. I don't care about light bleed around the edges on a black screen. I have been used to light bleed on LCD screens since before I can remember....it simply doesn't bother me since I have never seen a display without at least a little other than a phone I have with a Super Amoled screen.
Is going from the Transformer to the Prime like the cell phone world as far as specs vs actually real world difference? (Meaning not much difference in performance but you get to say you have the latest) I have a single core 800mhz phone and it runs as good or better than any new phone on the market. The specs would disagree but my use of it proves to me that specs on paper mean nothing. In other words does Tegra 3 really translate into real world performance gains other than on benchmarks or graphically intensive games? The only experience I have on ICS or HC is with the Prime so I am not sure if Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2 will make a difference in this case.
Is there anything super good about the Prime that you just think would be a deal breaker giving up for the Transformer?
The Prime was my first tablet and I absolutely loved it. Almost kept the second one but my wife talked me out of it. This whole experience has left a very rotten taste in my mouth as far as Asus is concerned but I just absolutely love the combination of the tablet with the dock...it's just so elegant.
Thanks guys. I know you have probably seen posts like this a lot lately but I really am getting frustrated as I am throwing my wallet at ASUS and they seem to want me to keep my money.
If this post is tl;dr please just keep your comments to yourself.
Wrong section. Need to visit the transformer prime section.
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Why not ipad2?
Visiting the forum of a new product you are asking about compared to an old one will pretty much always result in the newer being better. I wanted advice from people who stuck with the old and had experience with the new.
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Why not ipad2?
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
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LMAO EXACTLY! Someone else sees this BS..
I have not had a problem with my transformer at all. But I am no power user either. I can tell you the graphics are good and it can only get better when ics hits.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
Actually, I'm serious this time. Might I also recommend the galaxy tab 10.1. The point is there seems to be a lot of reports about problems with a lot of the prime devices. Asus just came out with the TF700T or something like that that seems to fix all the design flaws. To me, there's no better tell tale (or is it tale tell?) sign of them recognizing and quietly admitting there was a design flaw.
If the OP went through 2 prime devices and happened to have found 2 defective products, why should we encourage him to get a 3rd prime? This isn't an apple fanboy website where we ignore all the flaws of a device.
To the OP, the TF101 might not be the latest and greatest, but it certainly one of the best tablets out there. For everyday purposes, it does everything you need plus more. If you don't want to get an ipad, try the TF101 and see if you like it.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
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Do you have gps and wifi issue? From what I've read, half of the prime owners report gps and wifi issue while the other half report not having any problem at all with both these features. I'm having trouble telling just how many units out there have these problems because of the all metal back.
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luna_c666 said:
Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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What youtube video?
Look, I admit that I'm a jerk. I just have a problem with whiners. I don't mind legit complaints about real honest to god issues. If you've been helping people with tech support for as long as I have, you'd get sick of whiners as well.
If you have the energy, complain about legit issues. I kid you not, I've seen someone complain that an all metal back tablet is too cold to the hands and so the end of the world is coming or some other nonsense. I simply don't find the same level of whining from the apple world. I don't own anything apple except the ipod I got as a gift. But apple users seem to be a happier bunch of people than everyone else. At least they don't constantly whine. Heck, apple put a phone OS on the ipad and apple users praised. But god forbids if an android tablet runs on a 2.2 or 2.3 version.
Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Hahaha, that was you? What a coincidence! I honestly did not follow you anywhere. I was just looking up ICS on youtube.
Look, it's great that you supposedly have a device with no light bleed at all. After dealing with at least a dozen ips devices first hand, I still haven't found one without light bleed yet. Did find some with small and some with large.
You really think light bleeds is that big of a problem? If everyone who has light bleeds decide to keep exchanging units for a new one in hopes of finding one without light bleeds, it would be a disaster.
I'm not saying you shouldn't exchange your unit if you don't like light bleeds. Just be aware that every or almost every ips devices out there have light bleeds.
I'm still snickering over the fact that we found each other on a youtube video and here.
light bleed is a bad problem. all of them are. I had to choose between stuck pixels, dust under the screen or slight light bleed. Or low OC. It is simply too much to hope for a perfect screen+no creak+good overclocking. It sounds reasonable and it should theoretically be expected that all the screens are perfect but they aren't.
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
Does the OG feel as nice in the hand?
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Who can answer this? It's wholly subjective. It feels nice in my hand but how can I compare this to the prime? Are you asking about lightness? Are you asking if it brings on an orgasm? I have no idea. It feels balance, it feels slightly heavy but only because I have a silicone case on it. Without the case it feels MUCH lighter. You can pick up the floor model in person at Best Buy if you want to see for yourself.
Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net?
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Again I have no idea how smooth Prime is but my TF101 swipes across screen smoothy. No hiccups, I can swipe left right left right repeatedly on the home screen with no pauses or discernable chunkiness. If there's any added smoothness in Prime I don't think it's due to the hardware but rather the software (ICS), which would be a moot point since we're getting ICS anyway.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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And your s/n is good intentions lol
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He paved the road to hell lol
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
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i guess it was june, not may.
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My ASUS TF101 vs my new iPad

I got my new iPad last week and played with it a ton. I missed my apps for HBO go and brighthouse since i sold my old ipad 1 month ago. Since that time, i've upgraded my tf101 to kang ICS and had to rely on it for the entire month so i got to know it very well. Here are my 2 cents.
design
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winner : Transformer: Winner by decision. Compared to the original ipad, it would have lost because of the original one's similar edge feel but signficantly easier to hold form of the ipad 1. But this iPad one is more like a heavier version of the iPad 2. Awkward and gets warm too easy.
Performance
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winner : Draw. Both are lightning fast. The main reason i sold the ipad 1 was because it was crazy low after the 5.0 update. This is how it was meant to run.
Software O.S.
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winner : Transformer : winner by K.O in the 5th. This wasn't even close to me. I've grown to love the ICS so much more than the honeycomb it came with. For me to check email, browse with Dolphin, and print stuff, hands down ICS. Resizable widgets only adds to the K.O. I have my wife's email on a scrollable gmail on half the screen and my email on the other half. Below them are the icons for the various games we use, browser and other apps. Apple O.S. needs an update. It's pretty much had the same O.S. since it debut 6 years ago.
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winner : ipad : K.O. in 10 seconds of the 1st round. Not even close really. Facebook works like it should for a tablet, words with friends works great, exclusive ipad apps like hbo go give you hbo access to all its lineup and brighthouse and espn both have amazing apps. Games are so much better too. Real racing 2 looks like Grand Turismo on my PS3.
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winner : Transformer : winner by decision. Could have been an easy win here for the Transformer. Between the keyboard and memory card alone it scores an easy victory. Add the ability to use Clockwork Mod and our great community, and boom goes the dynamite. But ipad 3 game back here with a much better camera from its predecessors, a speaker that packs such a punch, you swear the whole back must be a giant speaker, and the 5.1 update with features which lets you split the keyboard by just pulling them apart as needed. Very close, but transformer does take this, barely.
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winner : ipad : winner by annihilation. What can you say here. My Transformer took a beat-down here. It was the supreme chancellor before the iPad. I thought it looked better than the ipad, ipad 2 and any other comers. But this time around, it got smoked. what made this even more unreal was that the transformer has a 10.1 screen and by all reasonable accounts, looked fine. But after seeing this ipad on a 9 inch screen no less, I now see the future of screens. I never noticed that i did put a little effort into looking at my Transformer screen. But now, when i look at the ipad, it IS like looking at paper, hell maybe better than paper because the lighting is always perfect. You use no facial muscles at all to see this screen. Just amazing. See screen-shots below.
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Undecided. The screen and apps pushed the ipad far ahead but the transformer with its exclusive use of widgets, memory card and keyboard stormed back. As i wrote this, i noticed that espn.com was redesigned to take advantage of certain features of ipad 3. It almost looks like an app. with things like this, it's going to be tough for the Transformer.
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Asus Transformer screen of sports.yahoo.com/nba yesterday.
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ipad screen of sports.yahoo.com/nba yesterday.
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New iPad screen does look pretty impressive.
Thanks for the comparisons. The screen difference is amazing. Do you think now you got the ipad the transformer will take a back seat? Browsing-wise (speed) is there a difference?? Thanks !
browsing wise it depends on the site. for most sites i'd say the TF101 is still faster, but for ipad optimized site (which there are alot) the ipad is faster.
I'm hoping the Transformer won't get left behind. I'm monitoring the usage. Right now, my 12 year old is hogging up the ipad for games so we are still mostly using the TF101. But my eyes prefer the Ipad.
I was the biggest android fan around forever. I've had android phones on all the carriers. Ever since the g1. I can honestly say with no bias, that android doesn't hold a token to the new ipad. Not even compared to the ipad 2.
I got so sick of the honeycomb/ics apps being stretched out phone apps. The lack of sheer apps ruins it too. Pixelated stretched out phone netflix. So frustrating. I've had almost every tablet on the market, every phone on the market.
Google has a long way to go (and I'm hoping they can do it with their acquisition of Motorola Mobility).
What it boils down to for me is: when I press a button, I want the damn thing to react. So many times I press home and my phone just sits there. Battery pull to follow. Open the camera app. Press shoot. People pose and hold it for a lifetime just to take a picture. EDIT - most frustrating things: Press shoot on the camera, hear the click, and after you lower the camera you get a picture of your feet. Or press click and the flash goes off and the camera gets delayed and you get a picture of a dark room.
When google can get the content down, and get it to work the first time every time, I'll go back to Android tablets. For now I'm Android phone, iOS for tablets.
The iPad3's screen should be compared to the Transformer Infinity's, IMO. The TF101's should only be compared up to iPad2's.
comparing technologies 14 months in distance is like comparing chariots with tanks.
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OK im a bit confused here? So ur comparing a almost 2 year old original transformer to a brand new ipad? Yet other than screen and maybe websites, its holding its own very well. I say awesome for the transformer. Thats like comparing the ps2 to the ps3 screen 2 yrs later. DUHHH Id like to see the comparision when the new transformer 700 comes out later this year on screen. I love my transformer and even the prime didnt peak my interest enough to move up to it. So ur review even makes my decision to keep the original even better. Instead of like some fools who waste their money on the latest and not even have a clue as to why its better or if it even benefited them. Thx again for the review and heres to the duhhh factor.
Mark
Hbo Go is Apple exclusive now?
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where are you guys getting 2 years old? I bought the transformer just before christmas on Black Friday. It was release on April 1st 2011. It's not even a year old.
Please don't exaggerate to make a point, it defeats the whole purpose of a fair comparison.
Technology released within the same year deserves comparison. The ipad 2 can justly be compared as well since it was released before the transformer but within a year as well. The transformer prime can be compared as well.. All 4 models are available to purchase today at a best buy and are similarly priced within $100 of each other.
I would think nobody would replace their TF101 with the TF102 since it only upgrades the CPU/GPU. But I see people willing to upgrade the TF101 to the new ipad so i wanted to give my review of the devices since i happily own both. My review covers apps, O.S., screen, and intangibles as well which don't change between the tf101 and he tf201.
by the way, if you read what i said, this ipad replaced another ipad, not the tf101. we use both in the household as there are 4 of us. we like the ipad for its app exclusives and html5, this was just replacing the 2 year old ipad 1 which was lagging all the time with its limited RAM.
I don't dislike the TF101. I actually love the thing and have no plans to ditch it, just comparing the two.
Edit: Oops.. orateam beat me to the punch I'll just leave my reply here anyway since.. well, I can't be bothered to change it!
wicklet said:
OK im a bit confused here? So ur comparing a almost 2 year old original transformer to a brand new ipad?...
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I'm confused as well.. The Transformer was released on March 30, 2011.. Making it ALMOST a year old... Where do you get two years from? Gotta love technology time compression.
Now perhaps Asus had the hardware in development for a year prior to the release... but one would have to make the same assumption about apple... So... yeah... let's not get carried away with how "old and busted" the TF101 is.
-Matt
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Hbo Go is Apple exclusive now?
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i just noticed it's out there in the app store, but not compatible with any of my devices. I have the TF101, the htc sensation (tmobile), the Droid RZR (verizon), the Galaxy nexus (verizon), and the nook color.
That's the old one.
I'm interested in the 700 too. Why waste extra CPU/CPU cycles just to run a high resolution on a mobile device because its useless? Unlike PCs the change in resolution is very minor with a tad crisper text. WhooHoo. You don't get more screen space or any real benefit. I'd rather put those powerhouses to work rather then making text a little extra pretty. And of you have to use a microscope to see a difference then its null anyway.
If they would have left out the stupid resolution, the thing would be the next evolution of the iDevice... instead it plays everything the same speed has last years but at a ridiculous resolution.
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That's the old one.
I'm interested in the 700 too. Why waste extra CPU/CPU cycles just to run a high resolution on a mobile device because its useless? Unlike PCs the change in resolution is very minor with a tad crisper text. WhooHoo. You don't get more screen space or any real benefit. I'd rather put those powerhouses to work rather then making text a little extra pretty. And of you have to use a microscope to see a difference then its null anyway.
If they would have left out the stupid resolution, the thing would be the next evolution of the iDevice... instead it plays everything the same speed has last years but at a ridiculous resolution.
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people will always see what they want to see.
The screen looks a TON better. This is not a small thing. Today's websites are designed around the resolution of 1024x768 running on at least 15" monitors. Our TF101 is a great screen with 10 inches at 1280x800. But the screen is just 10 inches which means you're looking at a screen some 72% smaller than the recommended scree size per resolution for reading text. Great for videos, games, etc, but compressed size for our text reading. What that means is that our resolution should have gone up by the same percentage (72%) to just be as comfortable as a standard 15" monitor.
that's a resolution of 1761x1320. The new TF prime will eclipse that, but the current crop doesn't handle that. the ipad has 2048-by-1536 which is so good , its crazy. Its better than the websites were sized for by a good margin. the text is so clear, that it makes me want to browse sites on the ipad rather than my 1920x1200 monitor at home. Truthfully, we've never seen anything with this resolution before. I find it easier on my eyes than reading the paper, magazines, or anything else. I'm not a big reader because of eye strain, but i think i found something that may allow me to read books for real. I never liked the e-ink or any other tablet for reading before.
look, i'm not looking to sell this device, Apple has enough money and i'm afraid of them taking over the world. I'm just giving my honest opinion and review.
Transformer Infinity. The Prime is 1280x800. The Infinity was announced end of February with a 1920x1200 resolution, but no one cared. Now suddenly 1280x800 is not good enough where some people used to say 1024x768 was good enough versus 1280x800.
Actually, it was around CES in January.
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Transformer Infinity. The Prime is 1280x800. The Infinity was announced end of February with a 1920x1200 resolution but no one cared.
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based on what i've seen with the ipad, i will probably upgrade the tf101 to the infinity as long as it's not too expensive. needs to be no more than $499, like the ipad 3. when it slated to come out?
Asus definitely did something right with the tf101, it even looks like the first nexus tablet will be a partnership between these guys and google. All this review does is solidify how good the tf101 really is, almost a year later and it can contend with the new ipad, sure Big Brother has more apps, but how many people stuck with myspace before they finally realized facebook was "the new thing"
Lets be real here the only reason to get an iPad is for the app store to get apps that aren't available for Android. No one is going to be taking pictures of anything with the tablet they're going to look like retards with that huge thing to their head. After a day you'll forget about the screen so do what anyone else with the right mind would do and just return it and buy a refurbished iPad 2 and save a hundred and fifty bucks. Look on the bright side with the iPad 2 you won't have to worry about it heating up so much like the tons of reports on Mac forums and you won't have to deal with the yellow effect that everyone is getting. Just get the iPad 2, it even weighs less and saves you some cash to put into the new Asus Infinity Tablet coming soon.
Oh yea Ross Perot 2012
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Great review of both and like has been said a year on if the tf101 is competing and beating in some parts the new iPad then its still ok in my book,I think the 700 will be more of a match for the iPad3
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Lets be real here the only reason to get an iPad is for the app store to get apps that aren't available for Android. No one is going to be taking pictures of anything with the tablet they're going to look like retards with that huge thing to their head. After a day you'll forget about the screen so do what anyone else with the right mind would do and just return it and buy a refurbished iPad 2 and save a hundred and fifty bucks. Look on the bright side with the iPad 2 you won't have to worry about it heating up so much like the tons of reports on Mac forums and you won't have to deal with the yellow effect that everyone is getting. Just get the iPad 2, it even weighs less and saves you some cash to put into the new Asus Infinity Tablet coming soon.
Oh yea Ross Perot 2012
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No thanks. I put more value in the art than the tech. For me its 60/40.
I would pay the extra 100 anytime for this level of quality. Just as I will for the infinity.

Note 10.1 vs iPad Air

I'm reading opinions on the internet, watching reviews, tests, comparisons between new Note tablet and iPad Air but I still cant decide which device choose. I'm android user, Id rather buy android tablet than iOS but many many opinions on youtube and xda also says that Note has lags and device is very slow.. I know that there is S pen and its unique functionality on tablets market but it's not important thing to me, even if i would fall in love with stylus. For me most important is smoothness. So iPad is great because of smooth experience, and great tablet-optimized apps (design also is great but it doesn't matter). Note has SD slot and android so there would be easy to share files between my devices (i'm using Galaxy S4). I would stand every inconvenience of android if the tablet wasn't laggy and slow. There is many people who has Air and returned it to get Note and it would be great if they join discussion.
Hello Patroy,
I have been an apple fan for a long time but when I got my iPhone 5S I was really angry at how crap the phone and OS was. I'm giving my girlfriend my iPad 4 and staying with android now. I looked on youtube and there wasn't too many videos relating to the note 10.1 2014, so I decided to make some.
iPhone 5S(IOS7) and why I am switching to Android:
TL;DR: iPhone 5S was a huge letdown and IOS7 is baaaad.
Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 First impressions:
TL;DR: Note 10.1 2014 is pretty lag free and performs better than the iPhone 5S/iPad4.
I'm also recording some new videos relating to Touchwiz, Optimizations, IOS7vsAndroid,Apps, Games, etc. If there is a video you would like me to make, feel free to ask.
edit: Benchmarks are done. 10.1 = 2x better than iPad 4 and equal to iPad air. 10.1 wins overall. Video will be up in an hour or 2.
But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..
After performing all of the updates, the only lag I experience is the wakeup lag in the lock screen. I'm sure this can be fixed by installing some custom Roms that will come available soon.everything else is extremly smooth unlike other galaxy devices I have used in the past
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But i cant see if something runs smooth or not, because of low FPS rate in your video camera..
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l don t want to ruin Surprise , but the Galaxy 10.1 has the least lag. Far less laggy than the A7 in iPhone 5 (same specs as ipad air). This 10.1 is literallhnearly completely lag free, unlike ios7. Looking forward to showing the benchmark video whe its finished rendering.
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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns
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But what benchmarks means? Nothing... There was thread, where someones couldn't turn high quality textures in some racing game on 10.1, because of the app which is not optimized for that tablet and that resolution. I would be pleased if someone will show me video with software tour where there won't be any lags or slowdowns
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Im not talking about just benchmarks. The UI and everything is more fluid. Higher FPS and definitely smoother than ios7. The reason that racing game couldn't go high was because the developer didnt know such a bigh resolution device existed and is being sorted now so we can play highest in the next update. I have played Dead Trigger 2 and Real Racing 3 and they both look better o tbis tabket because of the higher resolution and some ga es have better effects. I wish my camera wasnt so bad because there is no lag or slowdowns.
On the ipad we saw a game benchmark where the game was getting 7fps at times on the ipad 4 (iphone 5s/ipad air around 13fps) and o the tab the lowest fps it got to was 17fps and that was very very rare. The lag was noticable on my iphone 5s and very rareoy happened on this tab.
That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
Patroy said:
That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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I have a 3rd gen I pad because back then everything offered by Android was pretty much beta. Went and bought an I pad air few weeks ago played with but it bored me to hell.. no innovation on apples part. Went and bought a note 10.1 and wow the device actually feels like a step forward. I haven't been able to put it down. Learning all the little tips/tricks is actually enjoyable. The spen really comes in handy and the multi tasking windows beats all. Sure it has a little lag here in there but nothing that keeps you from doing some thing. The Air would just crash the app and i think it has something to do with the 1 gig of memory off loading. Anyways yes the air has better battery life but note can still do 10 hours np. My air is going back.
Go into a electronic shop and play with the Note 10.1 for 10mins then go do the same with the Ipad Air. I bet you will get bored of the Air straightaway...Apple is just soo boring now.
I used to love Apple ages ago because they truely kicked started Smartphones and Tablets and they were the best in my eyes. But now I find them soo boring and android phones and tablets have not only caught uo but passed Apple. Each to their own i guess...If you still prefer the Air after playing with both well then you know which one to buy.
My Note hasnt been laggy once and I havent had issues that some claim. And I'm like you, i didnt really care for the spen much but i find myself using it more and more...Truley awesome.
Eitherway they are both great products when you really think about it, just the Note is Miles Miles better
I was searching for note in electronic shop but i couldn't find them anywhere, I was playing with the Air and I agree with you its booring and after 15 mins of using it i figured out that I know everything about this os but i was thinking there is nothing better than the ipad now. My first plan was buying nexus 10 2013 but id turned out that N10 2013 doesn't exist...
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Turns out after slme customizations, my note 10.1 has 14 hour battery life. Beats my ipad by a few hours. Awesome.
Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1
The only time I really experienced lag with my Note 10.1 2014 edition was when I first got mine, but I had pre-ordered so I got it the day of release. . The lag was definitely a software issue but all new products have some sorts of issues but they get fixed fairly quickly. After about a week give or take Samsung released an update which helped speed things up. Later after that they released another update to smooth things out further. Currently, my Note runs perfectly; very smooth and fast. I can't really speak on the Ipad's part, as I have not owned one.
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Here's a pretty good review comparing the two...
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/11/ipad-air-vs-galaxy-note-10-1
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Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air
Patroy said:
Yes, i watched almost every comparison on yt and here we can se how laggy is note and how smooth is the Air
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The iPad Air does a fraction of what the N10.1-14 does functionally. Strip out simple multitasking, multiview, S Pen, and all the other creation features and the N10.1-14 would be equally fluid. Android as an OS is just as fluid as iOS in AOSP form. That is until you start adding in tons of apps and syncs that create open threads and consume resources which the N10.1-14 has tons of to power its features. So people have a choice - limited functionality and completely smooth transitions or tons of functionality, true multitasking, and, in the N10.1-14's case, the best creation and productivity tool on the planet and deal with the occasional millisecond long stutter. I choose the latter and don't feel the N10.1-14 lags in any noticeable or chronic way. People looking for a pretty display to read, browse, and consume media probably should buy an iPad; that's who they are made for.
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That's interesting, i REALLY want an android tablet.. its so hard to decide without touching it in real
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Just go into best buy or frys and play with it for a while. Nobody here is going to have the same opinion as you will on how "laggy" the tablet is.
Not that i dont enjoy the discussion but at this point, we have given you our opinion, so all that's left is to try it.
Another option is to just buy it on Amazon, if you dont like it, then return it.
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I have both, got my note 10.1 yesterday. Both have their pros and cons and I honestly enjoy using both. My note is the Wi-Fi octa core version, I wish it had the Snapdragon 800 instead.
I'd say the screens are almost equal, maybe a slight edge to the iPad. Audio quality threw headphones is pretty much even, the iPad speakers are better.
Hopefully the dev support will pick up for the note. I'd love to have cm 11 on this.
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iLagPad Air is a POS. Don't listen to people and the hype but actually try one yourself. This is what I notice right away within the first 5 minutes:
- Two types of Safari browser lag.
- First type is jello, flag or wave effect. Hold the iLagPad in portrait orientation, browse to The Verge (just as an example although I don't recommend that site as they lick Apple sponsor's nuts and will filter any negative facts) in full desktop mode, scroll up and down casually, look at the horizontal edges of the big page wide blocks where it suffers from the wavy flaggy jello effect because the GPU can't keep up with the resolution.
- Second type appears to be vsync which makes vertical scrolling look consistent but slow at about 20fps. For example, vertically flick scroll through The Verge's main page in full desktop mode as quickly as you can from top to bottom. It takes about 3 seconds. Do the same on a Note 3 with the current version of Chrome and it's about one second.
With extended use you'll run into more serious issues like blue screen of death and low memory crashes:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/23817728
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206
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With extended use you'll run into more serious issues like blue screen of death and low memory crashes:
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Those links were interesting; especially the low memory one. I don't follow Apple products and just assume from reviews they are "utopianly perfect." I guess the grass really isn't greener on the other side, just "different."

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