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why are they blocking **** on the G1 if its supposed to be opensource
and in opensource anything goes
and i heard they wont let you put skins on the market
oh well i still love my G1 hopefully they dont **** **** up
btw we should start a petition against rc30 because its negating the open source part of the phoen
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Yup. That includes taking the source code and building a closed or partially closed product.
roguestatuskat said:
why are they blocking **** on the G1 if its supposed to be opensource
and in opensource anything goes
and i heard they wont let you put skins on the market
oh well i still love my G1 hopefully they dont **** **** up
btw we should start a petition against rc30 because its negating the open source part of the phoen
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I don't think you quite understand the concept of open source. Open source doesn't mean "anything goes." Open source means you get access to the source code. Depending on the license, you can take the source code and make a closed source program (BSD, for example), or it must stay open source (GPL). That is it.
RC30 had nothing to do with negating the open source concept. RC30 was in response to a bug in the project that allowed whatever you typed on the keyboard to be echoed to a console.
If you want a rooted, unlocked phone, get an Android Dev Phone 1.
A truly wide open, mass marketed cell phone in this package would be a BAD thing for us. It needs to still have standards to insure the "typical" user can easily use the device and not have to worry about ****ing it up.
Get a Dev phone if you want to modify it.
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A truly wide open, mass marketed cell phone in this package would be a BAD thing for us. It needs to still have standards to insure the "typical" user can easily use the device and not have to worry about ****ing it up.
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I really don't see what is wrong with selling a software unlocked device through T-Mobile. The default ROM that comes loaded does not have root enabled... you actually have to go through the SPL to flash a new image which has ro.secure disabled. Its not like someone can just accidentally go into SPL mode and brick their phone, they actually have to press a key sequence to access it.
Also, look at just about every other device on these forums. They run WINDOWS, the most closed source platform out there and even on those phones we can flash images via SPL. Why not on a phone running linux?
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Also, look at just about every other device on these forums. They run WINDOWS, the most closed source platform out there and even on those phones we can flash images via SPL. Why not on a phone running linux?
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It is really quite a lot easier to seriously damage a Linux system in the command line than it is with Windows. With root access, Linux assumes you know exactly what you are doing. Root also bypasses quite a lot of Linux's security mechanisms. This behavior is not appropriate or ideal for a consumer-oriented device. The G1 is not marketed toward software developers and experienced Linux hackers. If such a device is required, the Dev Phone 1 is the appropriate option.
Also, if WinMo were ever to want to make serious attempts at breaking into the consumer smartphone space (where iPhone and Symbian live), I imagine it too would become seriously locked down.
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It is really quite a lot easier to seriously damage a Linux system in the command line than it is with Windows.With root access, Linux assumes you know exactly what you are doing. Root also bypasses quite a lot of Linux's security mechanisms. This behavior is not appropriate or ideal for a consumer-oriented device. The G1 is not marketed toward software developers and experienced Linux hackers. If such a device is required, the Dev Phone 1 is the appropriate option.
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You know what has the same power that root has to brick your phone? the bootloader. Say you try to flash to the latest ROM and it fails half way through... Your phone is basically bricked. Regardless, HTC still has this enabled on all of their Windows Mobile devices. Not exactly consumer oriented functionality, but it is there so people who know what they are doing have the power to do what they want.
I really think everyone needs to calm down here. We aren't sure what is in store for the future. Maybe we should withhold complaints and other comments until after Google has finished their first release.
But feel free to complain about how t-mobile doesn't tell you about the beta-ness of the device.
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I really think everyone needs to calm down here. We aren't sure what is in store for the future. Maybe we should withhold complaints and other comments until after Google has finished their first release.
But feel free to complain about how t-mobile doesn't tell you about the beta-ness of the device.
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root. I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root.
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It's not Google's decision to make:
Brian Swetland @ G1-Hackers mailing listhttp://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2008-December/000188.html
The t-mobile g1 devices are "working as intended" as of RC30. It is
possible that other OEMs or carriers may choose to ship their devices with
the platform in a less (or, hey, even more) locked down configuration, but
that is the choice of the OEMs and carriers.
I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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Which OEM or carrier do you work for/speak for?
This "its working as intended" is technically true but it means the HYPE behind the phone was and is a load of crap.
If T-Mobile wants to become Verizon, so be it. They're entitled. Customers are entitled to tell them to pound sand and stick it where the sun does not shine.
What's unreasonable (and indeed outrageous) is to sell a beta device to the public without making VERY CLEAR what you are doing. OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
Neither does the G1, and the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
If I wanted a Samsung "prepack" phone I'd have bought one. Oh wait - I can even reflash and feature-edit those, along with Motorolas!
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root. I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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I would like to know where you got your information about Google's stance. So far all they have said is that the device is still partly closed source till the get things the way they want it. This would also imply that later down the line they may give the option to open root again.
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This "its working as intended" is technically true but it means the HYPE behind the phone was and is a load of crap.
If T-Mobile wants to become Verizon, so be it. They're entitled. Customers are entitled to tell them to pound sand and stick it where the sun does not shine.
What's unreasonable (and indeed outrageous) is to sell a beta device to the public without making VERY CLEAR what you are doing. OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
Neither does the G1, and the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
If I wanted a Samsung "prepack" phone I'd have bought one. Oh wait - I can even reflash and feature-edit those, along with Motorolas!
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Then don't buy a consumer oriented device like the G1 - don't like how it operates, there are thousands of apps to add new functionality. Want root? Too bad, it's not designed or released for that reason, or, gasp, buy a DEV PHONE.
You think T-Mobile is even remotely taking into considering the .00001% of the user base that is like you? Who wants to buy a phone to HACK it!? Be serious here. What features are you really missing out here? Can't teather the phone (which t-mobile doesn't want you doing anyways) - and can't set auto-rotate?
Yes, caching to the SD card is something that needs fixing, but hardly a major "I need root" problem at this point, the phone is practically still BETA, and again, BUY A DEV PHONE.
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OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
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The update was to fix a gaping security hole not to remove functionality. The fact was that before it was fixed all it would have taken would be for a site contain certain malicious code and then a person would have root access to your phone and all your personal information with it. Just think of how far someone who had your google credentials could go.
RC29 was a test of the OTA system. If it hadn't been for the security hole RC30 probably would not have happened. If it wasn't fixed it would have opened Google & T-Mobile to a massive amount of liability.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
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This is another misunderstanding of what open source really is. It means that the source code is open to be viewed and/or modified. It does not mean that the hardware needs to be (think of Tivo).
Aside from that one of the new "cupcake release" that is currently being worked on includes support third party updates of system applications. This ability alone means a lot.
the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
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Please do some research before you try to say what T-mobile's intent is. If they're not going to move to block tethering, which would impact them via the bandwidth, then why would they move to otherwise lock the phone from modification in ways that wouldn't?
The G1 is not missing any features advertised before launch. The fact that you want more from it and the fact that people are working towards making that a reality kind of shows the power of open source. I don't think that WM had this level of development and as much progress a month an a half after launch.
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But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source"
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Open source and Linux have different benefits to different groups of people with sometimes divergent agendas. These groups could include oems/manufaturers, carriers, power users, casual users. What is an "attraction" to you may be unimportant or a liability to someone else.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
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Seems to me that at the core of a lot of dissatisfied G1 users is either: 1) their own expectation that the G1 would have X and Y features that were never advertised to be supported "out-of-the-box" or 2) their dissatisfaction at not having root access (which was never advertised). Some folks new to the world of open source seem to think that any product built on os components must be by nature completely open access. This is a completely flawed assumption. I see no need for T-Mo or Google to apologize for a potential G1 owner's own assumptions going into the purchase.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
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Another solution would simply be not to voluntarily buy any WinMo products at all. Tech is still a business, and the best way to get businesses to act is to put your money where your mouth is.
@vr24 & benmyers: Agreed completely.
There are a whole host of things that the G1 does not do by intent.
Tethering is just one of them.
I actually use my phone to do work on, and the functionality that would have been LOST going from either a Wizard or a Kaiser to the G1 was insane.
I toyed with one for a half-hour or so in the store and said "thanks, but no thanks" when a half-dozen things I attempted - simple stuff that WM6 (and even WM5!) support native like, oh, connecting to my ORB server at my house and watching CNBC on the phone - failed.
Tethering has been possible on virtually every phone that can run data T-Mobile has produced and can talk to a PC since the Nokia 6610 (a phone I still happen to have, having purchased it FROM T-Mobile in something like 2001!); removing that functionality is absolutely asinine given that it was intentionally removed - Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
Yes, I'm aware they've removed it from a couple of other recent models' firmware (Samsungs in particular) as well. You want to cite some speech by a T-Mobile executive that PREDATES the firmware changes they made intentionally to the Samsung models? Guess what - executives lie all the time. Wake up and smell the coffee, or have it poured down your back.
Like I said, if they intend to become Verizon they're entitled, and customers are entitled to leave - and will.
"Dream"? Ha.
T-Mobile is IMHO making a critical error given that the "bling crowd" doesn't need a $100/month cellphone bill and into the maw of the worst economic conditions since the 1930s do you think people will cut luxuries like data on their cell phones or their car payment first?
You fanboys are welcome to your "Dream"-cum-nightmare; as for the suggestion that I shouldn't buy a WinMo device because "its not all there as intended" I buy with the full knowledge and intent that I can unlock and flash it, intending to do so at the point of purchase. That's part of the bargain and why I purchased it - if that wasn't possible I'd probably be on a Symbian device instead.
As for "doing research" the fact of the matter is that without system-level access nobody's going to be building a native tethering application. Modifying routing tables (including setting up NAT) requires system privilege; 20+ years experience writing Unix device drivers here kids.
Have a good evening.
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Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
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Android ≠ Linux
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removing that functionality is absolutely asinine given that it was intentionally removed - Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
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This comment is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. I'm assuming you mean dhcpd. In any case, the average user only cares whether tethering is possible or not and yes it is very possible. I'm beta testing June Fabric's PdaNET for Android.
T-Mobile is IMHO making a critical error given that the "bling crowd" doesn't need a $100/month cellphone bill and into the maw of the worst economic conditions since the 1930s do you think people will cut luxuries like data on their cell phones or their car payment first?
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Last I checked, htc's numbers for G1s shipped thru end of Q4 2008 is 1 million units. Considering that T-Mo is Dream's only carrier and all Dreams are sold with a dataplan, I think they're doing alright. Certainly feel free to correct me if you have more accurate numbers.
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The drivers are in the kernel. Have you looked?
I have.
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Beggars eh?
Hmmm... me thinks you got that backwards.
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The drivers are in the kernel. Have you looked?
I have.
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Yup...sure have... and as jashsu pointed out
tethering is possible or not and yes it is very possible.
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Beggars eh?
Hmmm... me thinks you got that backwards.
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How so? I'm not the one asking for stuff and then choosing not to believe what I'm told.
Dear Sirs,
I have a question on your policy of locking the phone. Currently I have received my unlock code for my HD2 from my operator Bouygues but you do not allow me to update the software of MY PHONE. Let me make it clear to you: I am the owner of the phone and if I like to change the software even with a risk I can do that because I am the OWNER of the phone. I bought it legally, I got the unlock code from Bouygues so I am entitled to do with my phone what I want to do.
I can even smash it or throw it through a window of the HTC offices if I want to do so. If you do not agree and state that it is not my phone your phone is actually returning to your premises in a somewhat peculiar way. But since it is not my phone but yours this is your problem.
To get this clear: I am willing to go to court and start a class action case against HTC for deliberately and intentionally taking away my liberty as a consumer to choose to use the software in any language I want on a device that I own.
I had a similar issue with Nvidia over providing notebook drivers for their graphical cards and you can check: they provide notebook drivers for their cards now.
I will publish this letter also on xda-developers.com because HTC is illegally limiting me access to the phone I own and I have any rights to do with it what I want to do.
So I ask you to correct this issue and provide an update as soon as possible to prevent me from starting a class action suet against HTC.
Looking forward for your reaction,
Yours faithfully
Roger
It's got nothing to do with HTC, that's your operator that has locked the rom, and unlock codes have nothing at all to do with rom lock/branding. It's all your operator, and you entered a contract with them when you got the phone from them, and in that contract they are allowed to lock the rom so that you have to get updates through them
edit - and besides, , , 1 - install hspl - 2 - flash chosen rom - 3 - remove hspl.
Takes ten minutes, warranty is still valid, and rom is changed, so no biggie.
yeah talk to ur operator not HTC lol
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Do you actually have the kahonas to follow through with a class action suit because they are not scared they are fighting and taking apple out for copywrite infringement and htc also doesn't give a hoot about xda-developers.
Not startin an arguement with ya just wondering ifyour actually going to go through with it because I have a feeling what they will do is send you a letter back telling you to buzz off to get you to take them to court cuz they don't have the time to deal with consumers.
rogerone said:
Dear Sirs,
I have a question on your policy of locking the phone. Currently I have received my unlock code for my HD2 from my operator Bouygues but you do not allow me to update the software of MY PHONE. Let me make it clear to you: I am the owner of the phone and if I like to change the software even with a risk I can do that because I am the OWNER of the phone. I bought it legally, I got the unlock code from Bouygues so I am entitled to do with my phone what I want to do.
I can even smash it or throw it through a window of the HTC offices if I want to do so. If you do not agree and state that it is not my phone your phone is actually returning to your premises in a somewhat peculiar way. But since it is not my phone but yours this is your problem.
To get this clear: I am willing to go to court and start a class action case against HTC for deliberately and intentionally taking away my liberty as a consumer to choose to use the software in any language I want on a device that I own.
I had a similar issue with Nvidia over providing notebook drivers for their graphical cards and you can check: they provide notebook drivers for their cards now.
I will publish this letter also on xda-developers.com because HTC is illegally limiting me access to the phone I own and I have any rights to do with it what I want to do.
So I ask you to correct this issue and provide an update as soon as possible to prevent me from starting a class action suet against HTC.
Looking forward for your reaction,
Yours faithfully
Roger
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Maybe you own the phone, but look again: you DO NOT own the software that is installed on it.
You only have a 'usage right' to Windows mobile. You are not allowed to resell it, to are not allowed to change it. Even if you buy a second hand phone, you are not a legal user of the OS that was installed on it!
Think twice. You suspect/expect you have all those rights, but YOU DON'T.
Hey, do post the reply you get though.
Without going into legal details-
I think you are right to be unhappy-
However, yes, one would need to carefully read the agreement and licence thing-
But you are right on 1 point: if HTC does not upload their very buggy ROMS for this HTC HD2 quietly brilliant (very quietly) device, then someone needs to do it.
So unless you are sure about the legal details, we should complain to HTC about their numerous bugs and poor support we receive (at least I received that...), and also their lack of updates.
Or the complete lack of information as for the actual content of the new releases (they are all update SMS features): the last one actually moved things around.
I reported it to support but as usual with corporate crap they don't give a sh1te about it.
WHAT???
Please try throwing your phone through htc's office window and let us know how you get on!
HTC ownership
Thanks for all the replies. It worked with NVIDIA though.
Going right away to HTC is the best way. HTC is limiting this technically (remember the nice HTC logo when the update starts).
I don't think HTC's case will hold it in court. HTC is only the owner of the skin and nowhere in the license agreement of Windows Mobile is written that HTC can apply these limitations on software they are licensing themselves. Windows Mobile is made for being upgraded and HTC has no right to limit this feature. HTC is even distributing free upgrades to the next version.
This is a nice case for Nelie Smit Kroes. Remember Apple is under investigation too. The EU will follow.
Roger
Some of you obviously have nothing better to do with your time............
I feel sorry for the HTC customer service reps that get winning emails about people throwing phones through their office windows.
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I feel sorry for the HTC customer service reps that get winning emails about people throwing phones through their office windows.
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I feel sorry for the poor office worker who ends up getting hit by a flying HD2!
I think the OP might find it to be "his problem" when he ends up facing a criminal damage/assault charge.....
Not that I think this guy would actually throw his phone through their window...
I would enjoy reading that in the news though............
even of htc has nothing in the ts and cs about use of software they do reservethe right to block you from doing certain things with it. until you paid in full for an unlock code. than softwarewould be tmobile
sherlockpwnz said:
even of htc has nothing in the ts and cs about use of software they do reservethe right to block you from doing certain things with it. until you paid in full for an unlock code. than softwarewould be tmobile
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even then the unlock code doesn't unlock you from the OS licensing. All it does is untether you from that network, nothing at all connected to software licensing, they still stand, it just covers network useage.
Wow, the spirit of the users of XDA-Developers has changed over the years...... the OP has other options than what he outlines in his letter to HTC. I would have thought he joined XDA-Developers to explore these options. But, certainly the OP will enlighten us on HTC's answer. A good guess is that the answer will mince words even less than HTC's response to the Apple complaint, but at any rate, it should be most informative.
It is a quagmire of legal worms to wade through corporate IPR law between HTC's IPR, Microsoft's IPR, and the code of a carrier, which I assume also has much IPR attached.
I should hate to think that a talented HTC employee may be physically endangered by a flying HD2 hurled by a user who was not totally clear on all the issues.
In fairness, the OP should, if he must hurl HTC phones around, hurl it at HTC headquarters in Taiwan. After he learns where the restrictions come in to place, and he has actually traveled to Taiwan for his hurling, well, why, waste a trip to Formosa? He can hurl his HD2 through my window, and I will take proper care of it for him from that point on until it is replaced by a new super duper Windows Phone 7 that will have more restrictions. The OP can then start finding who places restrictions on that new OS.
The op wants to explore the legal way to get HTC to move on things.
1) the customer rep, as some of you said, is definitely NOT a real HTC employee. They are dumbs slaves customer service "layer of crap". --> they don't care
2) To make "them" move (ie anyone with the power to make a decision at HTC's) the only way is to sue them. Of course it will be long, hard, etc...
3) I find "funny" that everyone analyses what the OP said, but are not commenting on the real problem: the HTC HD2 is buggy/
Ok there's some custom rom available, I haven't tried yet (scared to screw my work phone)
BUT it does not excuse that they are giving up on their customers/
I used money to contact "customer service" to find out that i'm screwed with that buggy device.
That's definitely not a good and decent way of caring for their customer. Especially when their already outdated and "deprecated" device cost more than 500euros...
I don't expect "HTC" to provide an excellent device capable of everything, but that it's without consequent bugs is a minimum-
I'm not sure if the OP is in the right or now regarding the legal options he has, or if he actually have the right to complain about that "rom/licence thing"- But I know I heard the same scepticism, cowardism and critics when I mentionned I would sue DELL.
I did it, won, got money and also a brand new laptop...
I'm saying maybe we should listen and evaluate what legal arguments he/she has...instead of commenting passively-
Which of course is fine for some who are using custom roms (criminals in the eyes of HTC, those won't be crying if one day HTC finds them and sue them-even if its really really unlikely)
Am sorry but your letter is shocking rubbish. It makes very little sense so do not be suprised if you do not get a reply.
jagger2k said:
Am sorry but your letter is shocking rubbish. It makes very little sense so do not be suprised if you do not get a reply.
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Ho!
The original post was the actual letter sent to HTC??
yes you need much more than that to achieve our objectives...!!
htchd2sucks said:
Ho!
yes you need much more than that to achieve our objectives...!!
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Our objectives?
Is this the start of some kind of anti-htc rebel alliance?
Uniforms and secret handshakes??.......
"One hand washes the other"
Ive got an idea....... anyone who's dissatisfied with their HD2's can send them to me...........
because I want another one........
hey guys so I felt this might be related. It is to my opinion.
community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/f/87/p/3611/14956.aspx#14956
If no one is aware HTC is trying to stop online dev communities from posting the roms for those phones and cooking them. I think this goes hand in hand with the purchase of the phone and being given an unlock code but not being able to use whatever software you want.
I have posted my opinion and I think that we all should do that same. not saying to start a consumer to corporate flaming war but to make it known to htc that online dev communities are keeping htc afloat because they don't offer for example what xda offers.
http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-nodo-update-coming-out-early-march-here-s-story
Great update ... they could probably make WP 8 by that time
I'll save you people alot of time.
wpcentral.com said:
The latest rumor suggests that the Windows Phone 'NoDo' update is coming in early March
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Just another rumor...
mickfarr said:
I'll save you people alot of time.
Just another rumor...
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And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate
Neowin.net have "received confirmation from multiple sources, that pins the first Windows Phone 7 update for March 8.
According to the sources - including someone well placed inside a European carrier - the update has been delayed due to last minute changes by Microsoft and/or OEMs. The update must then be tested by carriers for two-three weeks prior to launch."
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And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate
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It just a rumour as the report says, a bit like the last rumour. WP7 update could be released before March.
WP7 is DOA.
Microsoft phone OS is over!
I can't see a great future to WP7s this year.
Until March, the WP7s is not a real smartphone SO (no copy\past).
In March, WP7s Update comes with copy\past feature.....BUT 1 month later, android update to 2.4 gingerbread with nice Honeycomb stuff....even dont talking if comes early, a gingerbread Sense update to DHD\Z.
And a lot of people are colecting some money to XOOM, WebOS touchPaD, IPAD 2, Palm Pre 3, FacebookPhone, Dual-core devices, etc....
So the space in our pocket to buy a WP7sDevice, begins to be very little, eh?
Did MS just forgot to add copy paste option ... too bad they miss it ... and Bluetooth file sharing ... first i thought of HD7 now i am thinking of desire HD... android get updates very fast and better
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?
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dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?
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The issue is not for us, that have a device running with all features, (with w6.5 or Android).
The issue is for our poor friends from XDA, which spent $ 500 on a WP7s, and cant send a simple rose to their girlfriends ..... enough for that, if they have the copy \ past feature .. .. nothing more.
It is a shame!
WP7s owners can't attach this beautifull rose, like i did with my old HD2.
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is that true
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In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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It's the same with fanboys of anything, xbox, PS3, Nintendo or football teams, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and even cars. Only the other day I had some one say that the Ferrari 360 is better than my Lamborghini Murcielago the cheeky bugger!! pfft he obivously knows nothing about cars.
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i read some where this
Windows for Men
Android for teenagers
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is that true
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week
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Steve Ballmer introduces Windows Phone 7
Microsoft is expected to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements according to reports.
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will keynote at the Mobile World Congress conference in Barcelona next week. Mobile Tech World reports that Microsoft may use the event to unveil new hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7. Microsoft first announced Windows Phone 7 at Mobile World Congress 2010 and supplied the original button specifications for hardware manufacturers.
WinRumors understands that the company is planning to unveil support for forward facing cameras as part of its updated hardware specifications. It’s unclear whether Microsoft will announce this support next week or just an overhaul of CPU/RAM requirements. The company has RTM’d its first “NoDo” Windows Phone 7 platform update and is planning to make it publicly available in early March. “NoDo” will introduce support for Qualcomm’s MSM7X30 System on a Chip architecture.
Microsoft’s mobile competition is increasingly more fierce. Android manufacturers and Apple are both likely to bump their specifications significantly in the coming months. Microsoft’s hardware requirements could also be linked to a rumored Nokia partnership. Nokia is rumored to be partnering with Microsoft to produce a Windows Phone 7 smartphone. Stephen Elop, ex-Microsoft employee and current Nokia CEO, will detail Nokia’s new company strategy on Friday February 11. Analysts and operators have called for Nokia to adopt Windows Phone 7 over Android to create better competition in the mobile market.
The software giant is also expected to detail further updates at MIX11 in April. Joe Belfiore, who oversees Windows Phone Program Management, and is responsible for the design and software product definition of forthcoming generations of Windows phones will keynote MIX11 this year. Belfiore is expected to layout a roadmap for the future of Windows Phone 7 and detail Microsoft’s big “Mango” Windows Phone 7 update. Microsoft is also working on a major overhaul of the Windows Phone 7 browser. In a job posting, listed in November, the software maker promises a “major overhaul of standard support and new approaches to make significant advances in performance, power consumption and bandwidth utilization.” Microsoft may be ready to detail its future Internet Explorer mobile plans at MIX in April too. Microsoft is believed to be planning Flash and HTML5 support for Windows Phone 7.
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hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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I totally agree
pack21 said:
Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
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hm... and where's the problem? on other platforms there once were devices with and without front camara too, and if you owned an xda neo for example, you would'nt been able too make a videocall at winmo; if ypou owned a diamond, you could - so what? would you run into suicide if you buy a brandnew car today with bi-xenon lights and 6 airbags and tomorrow comes along with the new model with triple xenon and 8 airbags? i don't think so...
Hello, So I have been running Windows 8 Pro RTM for a couple days now with an official key from MS and life is good. That is after a few driver issues and a couple bugs but nyah thats to be expected. Anyway I thought i would try out the Media Center and it does look to work ok You get a key and an email etc. But then it crashed and when i tried to enter the key it said that the letter e is invalid and as you can see bellow thats in the key they gave me. This made me look a little closer at the email (screenshot bellow) and i noticed the following:-
The email is from ariatousa.com - they seem to be a distributer for MS but there is next to no info on them hmmm
The windows logo is still using the old style window
the prices do not work out the have a 6.99 subtotal then add 1:12 vat and total at 6.99 (£6.99 was advertised price)
half the links do not work and the others are generic
on there enter new product key here link it just takes you to the ms store with nowhere to enter a key
needless to say i have stopped that card and so far i cant see anything leaving my account but this leave me to wander how "untouched" these leaked rtms are! Anyways long story short it does not work and is most probably a scam.
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This is for the media center right?
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This is for the media center right?
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that is correct. But it looks like its dodgy. You can get to it in the comand panel then add features.
once again, your messing about with something that isn't designed for end users, RTM, Release to manufactures,
Windows 8 is NOT ready for end users at the moment, by that I mean anything from user installs to drivers to supporting services
and im not convinced that the ISOs floating about are legit, or let me put it another way, un tampered with.
its not long folks, RP works well, lets just wait rather than jumping in with two feet in to things we don't fully understand or know are setup correctly.
RTM is exactly the version that Microsoft will sell themselves. It is exactly the version that will be used with Microsoft Signature. There is not some new, magic version that is going to appear by October.
Windows 8 has an insanely high amount of driver support, even supporting older hardware that Windows 7 did not. There was only one piece of hardware that was not installed correctly when I put RTM on a formatted drive and when using "update driver" it worked without rebooting.
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RTM is exactly the version that Microsoft will sell themselves. It is exactly the version that will be used with Microsoft Signature. There is not some new, magic version that is going to appear by October.
Windows 8 has an insanely high amount of driver support, even supporting older hardware that Windows 7 did not. There was only one piece of hardware that was not installed correctly when I put RTM on a formatted drive and when using "update driver" it worked without rebooting.
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Windows 8 is more than just a bunch of binary on a disk or in an ISO
No one said anything about code changes or new versions an build numbers, but lets be clear about something, it doesn't mean it wont change.
Yes windows 8 does have a good level of driver support - but that also changes like the wind and doesn't mean what you get now will be what you get in October
and the thing you completely forget to mention is the supporting services of Windows 8, its more than just an OS, it has to make contact with countless different online systems and updating procedures all of which WILL change before the October release and all of which will make a difference to the end user
Getting all flared up now about an unreleased product which is exactly what it is, is just daft.
Have patience and wait for MS to get it all together including reliable ISOs
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once again, your messing about with something that isn't designed for end users, RTM, Release to manufactures,
Windows 8 is NOT ready for end users at the moment, by that I mean anything from user installs to drivers to supporting services
and im not convinced that the ISOs floating about are legit, or let me put it another way, un tampered with.
its not long folks, RP works well, lets just wait rather than jumping in with two feet in to things we don't fully understand or know are setup correctly.
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Im sorry I didnt realize that testing an RTM OS as if it was bought from the shop was a bad thing. After all this should be the same as the ISO MS will be giving me on the 15th. Should i just install it and do nothing then report back on how pretty it looks and how bright the ui is? I am using this and comenting on it as a finished product because thats what RTM is supposed to be. I understand some things need other services to be up and running hence why i tested this I then reported back so that others dont have to!
As for my other thread you would notice that i said most of the gripes are drivers and that can not be blamed on MS nore am i saying anything against them. I love MS i am in fact quite a bit of a fan from my Zune, XBox, Multiple Windows Phones, Office, Active Directory all these things on a daily bases make my life much better. All i am doing is testing a product that is fully activated and reporting on what i find. If you want me to right about all the great things i could write a book. Not that anyone would read it my english sucks and it would sound like a fanboi crazed on a new toy.
RTM is finished any updates will come down via windows updates and yes i expect there to be many. But unless a lot changes between now and the 15th then they have to expect this to be what we get and that is 6 days from now.
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Windows 8 is more than just a bunch of binary on a disk or in an ISO
No one said anything about code changes or new versions an build numbers, but lets be clear about something, it doesn't mean it wont change.
Yes windows 8 does have a good level of driver support - but that also changes like the wind and doesn't mean what you get now will be what you get in October
and the thing you completely forget to mention is the supporting services of Windows 8, its more than just an OS, it has to make contact with countless different online systems and updating procedures all of which WILL change before the October release and all of which will make a difference to the end user
Getting all flared up now about an unreleased product which is exactly what it is, is just daft.
Have patience and wait for MS to get it all together including reliable ISOs
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Actually RTM is the final version, by definition RTM is the version that is currently being mass produced. (RTM stands for Ready To Manufacture.....durr.)
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im sorry i wasnt aware that MS had released anything to the general public other than DP CP and RP for testing
using a leaked copy that may not be safe and may not even be legit or complete, trying to run up against services that may not be completed is simply daft
and yes RTM does mean released to manufactures, well done for pointing that out but that doesnt make it fit for public use just now, the OS is more than just an OS on a disk, it has many on line components that are not completed or finished.
what we end up with is a situation where someone tries to do something and it doesnt work as expected and because it is RTM its seen as a big deal which just adds more FUD to a FUD mountain thats been building up over the last 6 months or so.
let MS get it wrapped up, then we can judge it
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im sorry i wasnt aware that MS had released anything to the general public other than DP CP and RP for testing
using a leaked copy that may not be safe and may not even be legit or complete, trying to run up against services that may not be completed is simply daft
and yes RTM does mean released to manufactures, well done for pointing that out but that doesnt make it fit for public use just now, the OS is more than just an OS on a disk, it has many on line components that are not completed or finished.
what we end up with is a situation where someone tries to do something and it doesnt work as expected and because it is RTM its seen as a big deal which just adds more FUD to a FUD mountain thats been building up over the last 6 months or so.
let MS get it wrapped up, then we can judge it
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Im sorry when i started this i was not inteding it to be a slate on the OS at all, we all understand that the backgroud services need to come online. I did it as a test on an account that is not my main one as i thought the onformation would be usefull or at least interesting. I was hopeing it was up and i could be like hay guys it actually works but when it didnt i posted nothing till i noticed some odd points on the email. It was more a warning to say dont try it as being a leaked version it could be running a scam to steal card information.
I will also try again on wednesday when i do have the official iso from MS. And once again i will post the results as well as a load of other tests. If this makes the os look bad thats not the intention or am i trying to add FUD. Many things i will test will also not be down to the OS ie catalyst drivers speed checks etc.
Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing. RTM versions are sent to distributors for digital and phyical distrobution.
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Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing.
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yeah was gonna say the same thing
AndroHero said:
Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing. RTM versions are sent to distributors for digital and phyical distrobution.
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yeah was gonna say the same thing
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Baa, play with words
Oh dear lord.
As other pointed out, RTM = Released to Manufacturing.
What this means is that the final build they created for RTM is what they made the ISO out of that the disc manufacturing plant(s) are going to use as the master to replicate the physical copies for retail shelves. This is also the same build they released to hardware manufactures and the like.
There will be NO CHANGES from this point on to the released bits.
Now, there have been a few minor updates and whatnot released, but all in all, been pretty stable. I run the Enterprise RTM at work and Pro RTM at home. These are no longer TEST builds, this is what is shipping on the 26th.
Sorry about mistaking rtm lol my bad I facepalmed when I saw my mistake.
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Ok, so all the win 8 services and features are 100% complete, there is nothing more to get, this wee waiting game where MS could be selling digital copies to jo public, is actually nothing more than thumb twiddling exercise to waste some cash. No, the ISO an disks are readyish, but there will be changes to services and updates and the ISO that was leaked can't be assumed perfect. Simply put, wait until it is released before palming down judgment on things that may not work right yet.
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ok I have just downloaded windows 8 pro from TechNet activated it and the media center option is not there making it even more sus that it was in the leaked build.
i hate to drag up an old thread but thought it was slightly related to my question...
can any one actually explain how we DO get MC?
I hear a lot of stuff about packs, addons, pay for, free, economic but I am buggered if I can actually find any means to order the bloody thing
MC is a primary function for me so I could really do with finding out what licence options are available, full / upgrade / download / physical, pro / pro pack etc etc
anyhow, anyone have any ideas...
note that im NOT talking about the RP MCE, im running that on this MC at the moment im talking fully legit MC for RTM
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i hate to drag up an old thread but thought it was slightly related to my question...
can any one actually explain how we DO get MC?
I hear a lot of stuff about packs, addons, pay for, free, economic but I am buggered if I can actually find any means to order the bloody thing
MC is a primary function for me so I could really do with finding out what licence options are available, full / upgrade / download / physical, pro / pro pack etc etc
anyhow, anyone have any ideas...
note that im NOT talking about the RP MCE, im running that on this MC at the moment im talking fully legit MC for RTM
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I think you might need the Pro Pack that retails for £49.99GBP for MC it also includes Bit Locker Drive Encryption and Business stuff like Domains, but it seems a tad expensive considering that the Pro upgrade retails for £49.99GBP so a total of £it 99.98GBP for the complete package if you want all around Launch day. I've Pre-Ordered the Pro Upgrade, might go for the Pro Pack at a later date but as I don't use most of the Pro Pack stuff that came free in Win 7 Ultimate it's not much of a rush to want it yet.
Roland
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I think you might need the Pro Pack that retails for £49.99GBP for MC it also includes Bit Locker Drive Encryption and Business stuff like Domains, but it seems a tad expensive considering that the Pro upgrade retails for £49.99GBP so a total of £it 99.98GBP for the complete package if you want all around Launch day. I've Pre-Ordered the Pro Upgrade, might go for the Pro Pack at a later date but as I don't use most of the Pro Pack stuff that came free in Win 7 Ultimate it's not much of a rush to want it yet.
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Hmm, It does appear to be that way doesn't it.
damn, that doesn't make much sense tho, doesn't Pro come with bitlocker anyway? so you need to have win 8 pro to get the pro pack and in the sys requirments for pro pack it states
"Other System Requirements
Microsoft account required for some features. Watching DVDs requires separate playback software. Windows Media Center licence sold separately "
surely they don't mean you have to spend 49.99 to get WMC then a further fee to get DVD codec support
id happily spend 50 on my media centre for win 8 download, but a ton total? im not sure I can be bothered, a work station is one thing but oh dear, I fear MS and its Marketing dept have struck again.
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Its hardly official but this windows blog post suggests things will be very different
Here
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think it will be impossible to switch to Windows Mobile 7, mainly due to the fact that that OS does not exist and there are also no devices running Windows Mobile 8 (because that doesn't exist either) . There's Windows Phone 7 which is, as the name suggests, closer to Windows Phone 8 than it is to Windows Mobile 6.5.
Anyway, the chances of anyone running Windows Phone 7 on a Windows Phone 8 device are basically the same as running Android, Sailfish OS or Firefox OS on a Windows Phone 8 device: Close to 0.
This is due to the secure boot of Windows Phone 8. Unless we find away around this, there's basically no chance.
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
It's Windows Mobile 6.5
Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 8
But this should be in Q&A forum anyway...
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Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Windows Phone 8 is backwards compatible to most of Windows Phone 7 apps. It is, however not backwards compatible to Windows Mobile 6.5 Apps. Neither is Windows Phone 7, btw (except for a few selected apps that have been hacked and made executable on a fully unlocked WP7 device). The namechange was accompanied by a paradigm shift in the whole OS.
Maybe the thread should be renamed to "Changing back to Windows Mobile 6.5"
Never post before breakfast.. :cyclops:
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
Might be very "handy" to use that on current hardware.
It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc
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Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
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There is.
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
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lol, we're definitely from different realities.
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It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
lol, we're definitely from different realities.
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I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that.
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.
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There is.
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Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?
k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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No, it is more a derivative of pure CE rather than WM.
k33 said:
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that..
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There was unpublished project WML by Cotulla for WP7 and it was virtualizing hardware. Anything like that is supposedly possible, but still too much work.
k33 said:
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.
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I didn't mean anything bad
I was a very active user of WM when it was actual, but nowadays there is really no sense porting wm to WP just because it is out of date, it won't be updated, there will be no new apps etc. Making drivers is always time consuming, and in that case it is not rewarding as only a small subset of people wants it and MUCH smaller subset really needs it. It is easier to buy HD2.
When I said about "realities" I mean that WM has never been fluid and definitely not far superior to new OSes.
lordmaxey said:
Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?
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WP65 is an official name for WM65
k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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I like this statement....:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I didn´t know that WP7 was re-designed for chicks.:laugh::laugh::laugh:
You made my day. Thanks.
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I think we should open a comedy section here at xda...
Don't forget that gdr3 unlocked the potential for multi core processors in the future! Windows phone really isn't made to be a super user phone. Its made to get things done simply and cleanly.
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Wm 6.x wasn't more fluid than today's gear, largely down to shoddy driver support, I mean why put a GPU in and not license the drivers....madness, anyhow, it was the last of the great pocket PCs, in comparison "smart phones" were and still are to a large degree dumb.
However, if we leave the almost unlimited potential of WM 6.x aside, WP 7/8 is by far the best Phone OS around. It did have its drawbacks... epic levels of neglect, general stupidity of OEM, MS and carriers and serious style problem (until too late in the day).
Android seems to aim for the middle ground which is why I like it on a tablet, but for my phone, nope, WP holds it own an then some,
I can't ever see a situation where MS would renew its pocket PC ideas, the general masses of users couldn't give two hoots about pocket pc abilities, they want simple to use devices that just work.
So I can't ever see any development in to getting WM revived, and to be honest, as a phone OS...I don't think I'd want it any more anyway
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k33 said:
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).
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I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).
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CE up to v5.2 had a really baad architecture. Virtual Memory subsystem was a nightmare (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/hegenderfer/archive/2007/08/31/slaying-the-virtual-memory-monster.aspx), and not only that. Mostly system was based on Win98-age code which was awful in comparison with new code. Context switching was slow as well. WM6.5 layered windows support made most of devices slow while bringing too little advantages. Should I continue?
Getting rid of Win9x legacy is a great step forward.
I swear, these questions can be answered even by Akinator.
This question has been asked a billion times.
Here is the answer to your question
Video installation instructions.
Have fun with WM on your WP8 device
I think the technical issues from bootloader to driver support on this have already been answered by the knowledgable ppl on this thread.
Thanks to those who constructively answered.
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
The data of the microsoft cloud goes indirectly to hedgefunds like Carlyle Group, Booz Allen, Blackstone etc, that are not only involved in big business operations, mergers and aquisitions, but are directly involved in war and humanitary crimes on tax payer´s money.
I still think that there are intelligent ppl here who understand the point: That an OS, that relies on cloud syncing is nothing you can ever use for serious business applications (besides missing serious apps for that)
WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function, cheap games and "big buttons" very much. :highfive:
k33 said:
I think WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function and big button eyecandy very much.
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Eye candy? Where? WP8 and WP7 uses typography, simple shapes, and colors, there are almost no extra graphics added. If you're looking for eye candy, you might find more in Android or iOS.
k33 said:
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
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Great! Fascism and government speak in the WP8 Development and Hacking forum. Are you sure this thread belongs here and not in the Off-topic section?
k33 said:
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
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If you don't like a product, then don't buy it. If you want more customization, go to Android, if you don't like forced infrastructure maybe you should invent your own phone. And lastly, if you believe in conspiracy theories and live in fear of privacy infringement, then find a cave, where you have no internet or phone signal.
Just internet search: NSA zombies smartphone
And yes, i am very disgusted of an OS that lets me no choice on very important issues and treats me like stupid.
It is not about living in a cave but what kind of phone you would choose for high value decisionmakers like managers for example.
Android, IPhone, WP8 are designed for zombies, there is a direct connection frome phone OS to serious developments in "the free world".
For using the facebook app between assembling burgers at MC Donalds at your day job, it is ok. Then you wouldn´t be the guy with a broader view and education anyways that likes to understand how things work.